View Full Version : Momo steering wheel, Ididit column and NRG adapter?
BBC71Nova
11-23-2013, 07:54 PM
So I have a replacement Ididit column i'm gonna be installing. I'm wanting to run an aftermarket steering wheel. Looking at maybe a Momo model. After "googling" around I came across the NRG Short Hub Adapter (https://www.getnrg.com/products/quick-release-kits/short-hub/srk-170h) for domestic applications which includes Ididit brand columns. NRG also sells a pretty sweet looking quick release setup. The short hub description states it is made for their quick release. All three of those components, i.e. wheel, hub and quick release, have a 6 bolt pattern.
I'm curious if you can run the short hub adapter directly to the wheel without the quick release? The QR is cool but I'm concerned it would but the wheel too close to the driver. If nobody happens to know, i'll just give them a call next week.
Any other thoughts on the NRG products? I'd never heard of the brand till I started looking for this type of setup. Products look nice but hand-on experience from some Lat-g peeps would be a plus :-).
Thanks!
I have an NGR quick release on my stock column with a Momo wheel. Great piece IMO, if you need to do anything under the dash it's real nice not to have the wheel in your way. Theft protection is another bonus.
http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-NVKKGZ2/1/L/i-NVKKGZ2-L.jpg
carbuff
11-24-2013, 09:50 AM
I have the same setup with a Sparco wheel. I was also a little concerned about whether it would put the wheel too close, but I am on the tall side, so it works out just about perfectly for me. My only gripe is the shifter is a touch too far forward relative to the wheel, but I've gotten used to it now.
As Sieg said, it's really nice to pop the wheel off when you want to work around the dash area, and I took mine off when I've left it parked somewhere that I'm not completely comfortable with and just put it in the trunk.
Nice piece, well made, I recommend it.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/1971%20Firebird%20Formula%20-%20Project%20TOW/update_0531_15_zps0e5ab7b2.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/carbuff69/media/1971%20Firebird%20Formula%20-%20Project%20TOW/update_0531_15_zps0e5ab7b2.jpg.html)
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m23/carbuff69/1971%20Firebird%20Formula%20-%20Project%20TOW/update_0531_16_zpsfb62b150.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/carbuff69/media/1971%20Firebird%20Formula%20-%20Project%20TOW/update_0531_16_zpsfb62b150.jpg.html)
Vince@Meanstreets
02-02-2014, 02:31 AM
Hey guys, im wanting to run this release on one of the cars at the shop.
Right now I have a Sparco adapter already on the column. Can I run the Gen 2 off of that adapter? Is the NRG release base 6 bolt pattern the same as the steering wheel 6 bolt pattern?
What I want to do is run the release between the wheel and boot.
I ordred a regular QR but its mounted on the lower 3 bolt side. No bueno to use.
Vince,
I bought the NGR quick release and mounted it to my Momo adapter hub which was a collapsible design. Regretfully it put the wheel too close and cramped arm movement. I purchased the narrower NGR hub which put the wheel close to the previous location. The bolt patterns were the same in my situation - 70mm.
Vince@Meanstreets
02-03-2014, 11:14 PM
Vince,
I bought the NGR quick release and mounted it to my Momo adapter hub which was a collapsible design. Regretfully it put the wheel too close and cramped arm movement. I purchased the narrower NGR hub which put the wheel close to the previous location. The bolt patterns were the same in my situation - 70mm.
Perfect Sieg, thats what I wanted to hear. I also have the Momo adapter so it should work perfectly. I ordered the new column thats 2" shorter than stock.
Its a nice set up and is built right.
Damn True
02-04-2014, 01:26 AM
How much time do you have with the adapter? Any play in it?
How much time do you have with the adapter? Any play in it?
There's only a couple thousand miles on mine. No detectable movement at all. The NGR piece is a nicely designed and machined piece - much better than expected for the price.
Vince@Meanstreets
02-04-2014, 12:19 PM
unlike the stupid one I bought from grant. Feels like the darn wheel is loose.
Just ordered a few and should be in on friday. I'll post a few pictures of the install.
unlike the stupid one I bought from grant. Feels like the darn wheel is loose.
Just ordered a few and should be in on friday. I'll post a few pictures of the install.
If I noticed ANY slop in the NGR while driving it would be gone in a split second.
MX145
02-09-2014, 12:33 PM
Hey guys, im wanting to run this release on one of the cars at the shop.
Right now I have a Sparco adapter already on the column. Can I run the Gen 2 off of that adapter? Is the NRG release base 6 bolt pattern the same as the steering wheel 6 bolt pattern?
What I want to do is run the release between the wheel and boot.
I ordred a regular QR but its mounted on the lower 3 bolt side. No bueno to use.
Damn Vince. This car looks all business. :thumbsup: I like it!
DRJDVM's '69
02-09-2014, 09:07 PM
great idea... I like the ability to pop it off and get under the dash a lot easier
Sieg...is that the narrow version? On their website it looks like the Gen 1.0....
Damn True
02-09-2014, 09:14 PM
unlike the stupid one I bought from grant. Feels like the darn wheel is loose.
Just ordered a few and should be in on friday. I'll post a few pictures of the install.
I'll be interested in taking a look at this. James has the Tekniq release on the OLC car and it's a very nice unit and super tight.
What I don't like is that it requires two hands to release it.
While a release can serve as a security aid and can add convenience in cockpit maintenance it's real purpose is to aid egress in the event of something awful happening. One handed release is IMO a big part of that.
great idea... I like the ability to pop it off and get under the dash a lot easier
Sieg...is that the narrow version? On their website it looks like the Gen 1.0....
Mine is the Gen 2.5 and the Short Hub.
It's a real luxury to pop the wheel off to access under the dash after all these years. Beats a Club for theft protection too. :thumbsup:
carbuff
02-09-2014, 09:21 PM
The NGR is definitely a 2-hand release. I love it for removing for work in/under the dash area, and when I had to leave the car parked outside, I removed it and took it into my hotel room with me.
For my height, the steering wheel being a little further away from the pedals helps as well, but if it were 1/2" or so shorter it might be ideal. Regardless, it's a high quality piece that I really am glad i purchased...
No slop at all, very solid feel.
I think for a street driven car, you really want the 2-hand release mechanism also. While highly unlikely, the last thing you want is to somehow accidentally release the wheel while rolling down the road...
While highly unlikely, the last thing you want is to somehow accidentally release the wheel while rolling down the road...
A friend had that happen at Sears Point during the Jim Davis Memorial Drags in his 9.05 second '39 Chev Coupe at about 2/3 track.........he manage to get it back on and just nicked the wall in the process. Pretty exciting run. The car typically ran arrow straight, we couldn't figure out what the heck was going on. The drivers story was nothing short of hilarious. :D
Vince@Meanstreets
02-09-2014, 11:30 PM
Damn Vince. This car looks all business. :thumbsup: I like it!
Its getting there....came in to do a clean up, update and turned into a full re model...Its a fun car.
I'll be interested in taking a look at this. James has the Tekniq release on the OLC car and it's a very nice unit and super tight.
What I don't like is that it requires two hands to release it.
While a release can serve as a security aid and can add convenience in cockpit maintenance it's real purpose is to aid egress in the event of something awful happening. One handed release is IMO a big part of that.
I can almost pop it with one have but im 50% Hawaiian and I can husk and crack a coconut with one hand. LOL
But the way I look at it, you use two hands to pull a wheel off anyways. Your wheel holding hand can push the release button and the other pulls the slide up.
It can be done. Practice
The NGR is definitely a 2-hand release. I love it for removing for work in/under the dash area, and when I had to leave the car parked outside, I removed it and took it into my hotel room with me.
For my height, the steering wheel being a little further away from the pedals helps as well, but if it were 1/2" or so shorter it might be ideal. Regardless, it's a high quality piece that I really am glad i purchased...
No slop at all, very solid feel.
I think for a street driven car, you really want the 2-hand release mechanism also. While highly unlikely, the last thing you want is to somehow accidentally release the wheel while rolling down the road...
No slop is good to hear. Its a copy of the Works and I was wondering if it was inferior.
glassman
02-15-2014, 10:04 AM
Mine is the Gen 2.5 and the Short Hub.
It's a real luxury to pop the wheel off to access under the dash after all these years. Beats a Club for theft protection too. :thumbsup:
So do i buy the Gen 2.5 and a hub adaptor or ?
How do we know the splines are compatible with our stock columns?
Getting ready to pull the trigger....
So do i buy the Gen 2.5 and a hub adaptor or ?
How do we know the splines are compatible with our stock columns?
Getting ready to pull the trigger....
Gen 2.5 and a short hub. Hub has the splines, release bolts to hub. Worked on my 1st Gen stock column. https://getnrg.com/products/quick-release-kits/short-hub/srk-170h
carbuff
02-15-2014, 09:56 PM
Same for my 2nd gen. I bought mine from a company in Dallas (cannot remember the name at the moment), but I called them and confirmed the specific hub before ordering. All went together just time, and I'm still really happy with it. Not the cheapest setup, but definitely quality.
glassman
02-16-2014, 09:23 AM
Perfect, thanx you guys.
Vince@Meanstreets
02-16-2014, 11:00 AM
So do i buy the Gen 2.5 and a hub adaptor or ?
How do we know the splines are compatible with our stock columns?
Getting ready to pull the trigger....
I used this hub adapter and went directly to the release. http://www.sparcousa.com/product/steering-wheel-hub-adapter
I was able to do this cause I ordered a column that is 2" shorter than the original column. Worked out great.
Wheel and release bolt pattern is 70mm.
I used this hub adapter and went directly to the release. http://www.sparcousa.com/product/steering-wheel-hub-adapter
I was able to do this cause I ordered a column that is 2" shorter than the original column. Worked out great.
Wheel and release bolt pattern is 70mm.
Same collapsable adapter as the one that came with my Momo wheel.
Warning: You lose the collapsible safety factor of that adapter using the short hub!
Bad Bowtie
03-18-2014, 04:42 PM
Hey Sieg,
Who did you purchase your hub / quick release from? I called NRG and they don't sell direct to the public. Think i'm gonna go with the same finish you have.
Thanks
BB
Sorry for the delayed response, here's the Amazon link where I purchased:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VFWLAG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Bad Bowtie
03-20-2014, 02:50 PM
Thanks Sieg
Looking forward to getting this setup. Hopefully I can get it in black chrome
BB
glassman
05-25-2014, 11:03 AM
Finally got the adapter, how's does the adapter mate to the 2.5 qr?, I received no screws no instructions.....any pics or advice?
Finally got the adapter, how's does the adapter mate to the 2.5 qr?, I received no screws no instructions.....any pics or advice?
https://www.getnrg.com/products/support/questions
garickman
05-25-2014, 11:21 AM
Finally got the adapter, how's does the adapter mate to the 2.5 qr?, I received no screws no instructions.....any pics or advice?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBxvViQODOE
Vince@Meanstreets
05-25-2014, 11:21 AM
Finally got the adapter, how's does the adapter mate to the 2.5 qr?, I received no screws no instructions.....any pics or advice?
did you look under the inner box cover? I bought extra screws from McMasterCarr. Let me know if you need any. I bought a bunch.
glassman
05-25-2014, 11:59 AM
Dam u guys are on it! Thanx, y'all sittin here watchin the Indy like I am?
Vince@Meanstreets
05-25-2014, 01:57 PM
Dam u guys are on it! Thanx, y'all sittin here watchin the Indy like I am?
yeah...that was a crazy last 6 laps. Me and my son were jumping up and down for Hunter.... USA!!!!
glassman
05-25-2014, 06:12 PM
yeah...that was a crazy last 6 laps. Me and my son were jumping up and down for Hunter.... USA!!!!
Yeah that was a great finish. Probably the best one we'll get in awhile.
So question for you or Siegster, i've got everything mounted and the stamped plate that retains the horn assembly for the Momo wheel wont seat into the NRG 2.5 assembly. If i dont use it the horn that will be an ugly hollow space, if i do use it i can't tighten the wheel down all the way.
Suggestions?
glassman
05-25-2014, 07:13 PM
Think i got it. The horn ring doesn't quite seat but seems ok. Horn works.
Vince@Meanstreets
05-25-2014, 10:12 PM
Think i got it. The horn ring doesn't quite seat but seems ok. Horn works.
is it a matter of tucking wires in?
Not sure how to improve the horn fitment.........it's not the ideal design. It's on my "need to improve" list. Actually I'm surprised my driveline harmonics issue didn't pop it out. :lol:
glassman
05-26-2014, 09:35 AM
is it a matter of tucking wires in?
No. Its in the design of the escutcheon type stamping. Its a washer like device that goes between the steering wheel and the hub adapter and contains the horn device with a snap ring, (may also act as a ground?.
The stamping's I.D. dimension exceeds that of the I.D. of the NRG part by probably 3mm.
So Vince, which screws did you get from McMaster Carr?
I'm in need of M5., and 15mm? Anodized black, countersunk, allens, prefered. Its too hold the wheel onto the NRG part. Couldn't find them at Orchard, and bought some that were 10mm long, but due to the "not seating", there too short. I used the ones from my Grant (but there's only 5 and there not quite the proper thread pitch).
Siegster, did you get the problem solved? i watched your build thread and you've got it solved? well 95%?
Vince@Meanstreets
05-26-2014, 12:47 PM
No. Its in the design of the escutcheon type stamping. Its a washer like device that goes between the steering wheel and the hub adapter and contains the horn device with a snap ring, (may also act as a ground?.
The stamping's I.D. dimension exceeds that of the I.D. of the NRG part by probably 3mm.
So Vince, which screws did you get from McMaster Carr?
I'm in need of M5., and 15mm? Anodized black, countersunk, allens, prefered. Its too hold the wheel onto the NRG part. Couldn't find them at Orchard, and bought some that were 10mm long, but due to the "not seating", there too short. I used the ones from my Grant (but there's only 5 and there not quite the proper thread pitch).
Siegster, did you get the problem solved? i watched your build thread and you've got it solved? well 95%?
the ones i have.
http://www.mcmaster.com/#91239a232/=s4wrbt come in packs of 100
Damn True
06-18-2014, 04:20 PM
Hmm,
Ran the nut down on the Short Hub and the OD of the hub bottoms out on the OD of my new Ididit column.
Is there something that is supposed to go between the hub and the steering shaft base?
Off to go buy a steering wheel puller to get that hub back off.
Ron in SoCal
06-18-2014, 05:41 PM
I had the same problem True. I put a couple of extra C-clips on the splined shaft and it did the trick. Scratching my head on that one too...
Damn True
06-18-2014, 05:57 PM
I had the same problem True. I put a couple of extra C-clips on the splined shaft and it did the trick. Scratching my head on that one too...
Yeah, it's goofy. I think I'll see if I can find a couple of thin washers with a .750 ID to slip over the shaft.
Damn True
06-20-2014, 01:38 PM
Went to True Value, Lowes, Fastenal and a local specialty hardware joint with no luck finding a proper shim. Wound up finding it on McMaster-Carr. Mail-order washers...ugh.
Building a car from scratch will be fun they said!
dontlifttoshift
06-20-2014, 05:59 PM
Wait, the hub is bottoming out on the bell of the column?...around the outside?
If you shim that up then you are not engaging the splines all the way, right?
I have spun .030" off of the bottom of the hub in the lathe before to correct that......if that is what is happening.
Ron in SoCal
06-20-2014, 06:55 PM
Wait, the hub is bottoming out on the bell of the column?...around the outside?
If you shim that up then you are not engaging the splines all the way, right?
I have spun .030" off of the bottom of the hub in the lathe before to correct that......if that is what is happening.
That'd be the right way to do it Donny.
Of course, True and I are hacks :lol:
glassman
06-20-2014, 07:52 PM
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/BC7F4608-ABEF-4735-8805-A014D352CF2D.jpg
Damn True
06-21-2014, 02:49 AM
Wait, the hub is bottoming out on the bell of the column?...around the outside?
If you shim that up then you are not engaging the splines all the way, right?
I have spun .030" off of the bottom of the hub in the lathe before to correct that......if that is what is happening.
You're right.
[_ word that rhymes with spit _]
Gotta find a machine shop to turn down the hub.
dontlifttoshift
06-21-2014, 07:10 AM
It's actually a common problem. Cars have come in with suspension/steering complaints.... "The steering wheel doesn't return" and the hub is bound up on the column bell.
Ron in SoCal
06-21-2014, 11:13 PM
Just thought this through...:headscratch:
If you take 30 thou off the bottom of the hub, wouldn't that move the hub closer to the column base and therefore add to the problem? True and I needed to shim the hub out in order to move the hub away from the column base.
What am I missing here? :sieg:
Greg from Aus
06-22-2014, 04:31 AM
Nah Ron the spline should bottom out and then the 30 thou of the outer bottom would give clearance.
Vince@Meanstreets
06-22-2014, 04:46 PM
I had the same problem but it wasn't .030. I just used my sanding disc and took a bit off the bell then painted it. I had the unpainted column.
Ron in SoCal
06-22-2014, 10:30 PM
Nah Ron the spline should bottom out and then the 30 thou of the outer bottom would give clearance.
10-4 Greg. Thanks...
glassman
06-23-2014, 11:13 PM
So I have a replacement Ididit column i'm gonna be installing. I'm wanting to run an aftermarket steering wheel. Looking at maybe a Momo model. After "googling" around I came across the NRG Short Hub Adapter (https://www.getnrg.com/products/quick-release-kits/short-hub/srk-170h) for domestic applications which includes Ididit brand columns. NRG also sells a pretty sweet looking quick release setup. The short hub description states it is made for their quick release. All three of those components, i.e. wheel, hub and quick release, have a 6 bolt pattern.
I'm curious if you can run the short hub adapter directly to the wheel without the quick release? The QR is cool but I'm concerned it would but the wheel too close to the driver. If nobody happens to know, i'll just give them a call next week.
Any other thoughts on the NRG products? I'd never heard of the brand till I started looking for this type of setup. Products look nice but hand-on experience from some Lat-g peeps would be a plus :-).
Thanks!
Not sure if you can do it outside of the quick release, go to the NRG site and theres some good info, but only some. Most of the info i found on this is from sites like this.
I wanted the QR for the security aspects (being able to take it with me on overniter's) not to mention the safety aspcect when i'm on the track and God forbid something goes wrong....and yes, so far there all 6 holes, Sparco, Momo and a few others fit. NRG also make their own wheels...
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