repainting

[lutzy]

So im about to paint my car and change colors..the question is that my paint job on the car is excellent..do I ask the auto painter to take it back down to metal or do they just wetsand the clear and just repaint?

[Musclerodz]

What does the shop want to do? If it is excellent as you say, should be no need to go to bare metal, but the shop may want to for warranty reasons. There will be a major difference in cost as well.

[lutzy]

They said they just wanted to scuff and repaint it for $7000. I just wanted to know if that's what you usually do when you have newer paint on the car already. Needs no body work at all.

[Musclerodz]

every car is different, every car owner has a different opinion of the quality of their car. If it is as good as you say it is and they can deliver the finish you want I would not have a problem doing it. How much disassembly are they going to do for a color change?

[lutzy]

nothing is in writing yet. I will sit down with the shop owner this week and go over everything. He just gave me a ball park price of $7k. Is there anything I should request them do as far as prep or disassembly? He did say they use PPG products but will use any paint type I want. I have DuPont hot hues on the car now and am happy with the quality, just not the 2 tone colors.

[analyte]

My recommendation is to use whatever paint brand the shop normally uses. It's important for the shop to know the paint system regarding flash times, mixing ratios, part numbers, etc.

If you prefer Dupont, you should find a shop that uses that material all the time. Of course, YMMV.

Kerry

[Musclerodz]

If they use PPG, let him use PPG. Nothing wrong with it. with proper color change really need to blow it apart so all the edges and jambs get painted correctly.

[lutzy]

So Im guessing they should remove doors,hood,trunk & fenders to do a good job? Thanks for the info by the way.

[Musclerodz]

if it was me yes. side windows and felts, all weatherstripping, decklid, etc. color change on a done car is a pain in the butt.

[69MyWay]

Any paint job out there is ONLY as good as the foundation below. If the shop is satisfied that the current paint has good adhesion and there are no other concerns, then a scuff and paint is appropriate. However, many shops will limit any guarantee as well as the paint supplier if it isn't their products from the metal out.

Sometimes putting fresh paint over old paint will bring out things (as the solvent reacts) that you didn't know were there. This can cause rings or shrinkage spots where the filler below and other paint/sealer/primer re-react when the fresh paint goes on.

Make sure you get the whole job written up ahead of time and don't pay any money until there is a contract for repair...and don't pay in full until it is done within a promised time window.

Body shop jail is a bad place to be - and we are usually at fault (the consumer) for putting ourselves in a position up front where we don't hold any cards in the negotiation to get the project done. There is a difference between "RUSHING" a shop to complete the work...and insisting that it be completed on-time. We have a tendency to allow shops to push off restoration work in favor of their production work because we want it done right - so we are okay with them "taking their time..." But, once your project goes to the back burner...or if they are giving you a better deal to "fit it in" between other jobs...well, kiss the car goodbye for a LONG time because it will move so far off the back burner that it will move off the stove.

[lutzy]

nothing is in writing yet. I will sit down with the shop owner this week and go over everything. He just gave me a ball park price of $7k. Is there anything I should request them do as far as prep or disassembly? He did say they use PPG products but will use any paint type I want. I have DuPont hot hues on the car now and am happy with the quality, just not the 2 tone colors.

After going over the car once again in writing..the cost jumped from $7k to 10K. Wow..maybe I should of lived with the 2 tone after all. Is this a halfway normal price for getting paint job that requires no body work. Just a disassemble, paint & reassemble. He said that this car is so nice that he wants to take his time with it and it could take about 3-4 weeks.

[GregWeld]

The paint job on my Brother in laws Camaro was 18K --- with some minor bodywork -- and all trim removed etc - but was not a color change even though all the jambs etc got shot. His car looks fantastic -- and includes a Mitch Kim silver leaf paint separation...


I'd want my car to be painted with the EXACT same brand/system that the car already has if it's not going to bare metal ---- because the last thing I'd want to have down the road is a compatibility issue.

The paint cost is probably 3K at least in materials -- and the rest is labor... so depending on the labor rate -- 11K sounds about right to me for a scuff and shoot. My guess is though -- once the car is in the shop and torn apart -- the price takes another jump "because we found such and such".

[NOPANTS68]

3-4 weeks is pretty quick unless he's solely working on that car. Some guys are focused though. Just don't pay for anything but materials up front.

[lutzy]

Yeah I wish It was 3-4 weeks. Its going on almost 3 months now. Finally getting ready for some paint. I decided on a gunmetal grey called grigio silverstone. Here's some pic's of it getting prep'd.
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[lutzy]

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[GregWeld]

HUGE IMPROVEMENT!!!


Good for you!!


Me likey!

[Musclerodz]

Major difference! Looks great!

[Ron in SoCal]

Yeah that color's ok, I guess :D :cheers:

[Che70velle]

Great choice of color. Huge improvement in my opinion.
So what was the final cost, if you don't mind sharing?

[ma73z]

Awesome! Looks freakin tough :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[pokey64]

Wow, that thing gained some major attitude!! :bigun2:

Looks great!

[lutzy]

[QUOTE=Ron in SoCal;520562]Yeah that color's ok, I guess :D :cheers:[/QUOTE
Anything was better then that 2 tone :disgusted:
Car does look so much better in person though. It's definitely lighter with a nice silver metallic to it.

[lutzy]

Great choice of color. Huge improvement in my opinion.
So what was the final cost, if you don't mind sharing?

$10k was final cost. They did a few other things that they stumbled across but kept the price as quoted.

[Rick D]

WOW that looks like a different car!! Very nice improvement!!

[64mali]

I came across this kinda late but thought I would throw in my two cents for anyone else in the same boat. Everybody made very valid points regarding the pervious paint, solvent issues, and so on. My comment was really going to boil down to the competency of the shop. All of the afore mentioned issues are concerns but with a competent painter/shop they should know what's best based on what they see. If there's underlying paint issues they should be visible in the existing paint although difficult to see with an untrained eye. Bottom line is you get what you pay for. Scuff and shoot is a loose term and if you look at your photos, they did more than the term suggests and it looks like the end result is what you were looking for. unfortunately there is a lot of shops that will sell you on what they want to with little knowledge to back it up. With that said, your car looks bitchin and none of what was mentioned seems to apply. Looks like they did a good job.

[rjsjea]

Car looks great now.....you did not overpay at all.

[Blake Foster]

^^^^^ that is why it is a good idea to stay away from shops that do collision work.
Seems MOST of the horror stories you hear about paint jail come from collision shops. we have a 68 Chevelle in the shop right now that just got released from Jail. it was there for 3 years to get a new floor, and a paint job. only cost the customer 12,000.00 but he could have been driving his car 2 years ago for another 8-10 k.
We are doing a full bare metal up 69 Camaro with custom stripes, we have given our selves 6-8 weeks to complete the job. 1 guy 100% of his time on that job. the only downside to this program for the customer is that it needs to be paid for in 6-8 weeks as well,

[elitecustombody]

Lutzy, is that Ferrari 740 Grigio Silverstone?

[lutzy]

Lutzy, is that Ferrari 740 Grigio Silverstone?

Yes it is. Love the color!

[GregWeld]

Yes it is. Love the color!




It turned out 10,000% better looking. Good for you! Wow - a completely different looking car. Although my sister would have loved driving the two tone... LOL

[waynieZ]

It looks Awesome!

[lutzy]

Thanks..I was never happy since I bought it but now I am.

[grif54]

Wow, that doesn't even look like the same car!! I am a big fan of the color also, I painted a friends Trans Am a very similar color a couple of years ago.

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

thats a fuggin Streetfighter dude!