1970 Camaro SS/RS "dis-traction"

[glassman]

Hey guys, been on here for a little over a year. I've had the car on the road since April of '11 and have had it since '91. Got it from a friend as it was totaled. I use to have a 71' RS in the mid eighties and have missed it ever since. Well this one has seen paint jail, a business startup, three kids (and college funds),,,,etc.etc, nuff excuses...lets get this thing slideways....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/pic8.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/pic8.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/camaropic1.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/camaropic1.jpg.html)

Some of the LS swap that is current

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/image-19.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/image-19.jpg.html)

The computer is behind the sheet metal

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/image-18.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/image-18.jpg.html)

Currently has beefy T56, 12 bolt 3:73, full Hotchkis dress, Baer's sport/track, nice interior new with older Recaro's (soon to be new ones), 6 point and subframe connectors to come, coil over's to come (the Hotchkis front coil's are waaaay too stiff and dont sit right after i've cut them four times (a little at a time).

Plenty of work to do....but its a start...

Mike

[Rick D]

Cool Mike, can wait to follow along.

[214Chevy]

Looking good Mike!!

[Rick D]

Hey Mike question for you, who's hood do you have? It looks like the cowl is smaller then most I've seen? Not to big me likey :headspin:

[fleet]

Mike,

Nice ride to start moddin' some more. :thumbsup:

[glassman]

Hey Mike question for you, who's hood do you have? It looks like the cowl is smaller then most I've seen? Not to big me likey :headspin:

The hood is an actual cowl off of a 70 SS chevelle that the previous owner did back in the early 80's, i dont think i could ever do that to a factory hood. My body guy took it off of the one they had done (all bondo) and tacked it on a good hood and its what we have. I'd like to get the actual cowling to work, that'd be interesting...

[intocarss]

That's A Damn Fine Looking Automobile

[glassman]

That's A Damn Fine Looking Automobile

Thank you

[waynieZ]

Very Nice!

[glassman]

Very Nice!

And thank you too....

[214Chevy]

Very nice and classy.

[glassman]

Well she fires and runs.

Bugs, GTO computer was for an Auto, my T56 isnt agreeing with the computer, six reprograms with HP Tuners and its getting closer. But my mechanic Josh is on vacation this week so the bugs will have to wait, although she is very drivable. Me likey.

The clutch is still "not blead" enough imo, two GM techs have said sometimes ya just gotta drive em for one to two weeks to settle everything in. I would have liked to install the Tick performance adjustable clutch master....so well see next week.
Any opinions on this matter?

Thanx, Mike

[Rick D]

Nice Mike, but with out the video it didn't happen!!! :poke: :welcome3: :D

[Sieg]

Wanna borrow my carb? :lmao: :lmao:


Here........I'll save you the trouble.................:smiley_smack:

[Rick D]

Wanna borrow my carb? :lmao: :lmao:


Here........I'll save you the trouble.................:smiley_smack:

:pushbutto :pushbutto :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Wow mister funny pants is out tonight!!

[glassman]

Wanna borrow my carb? :lmao: :lmao:


Here........I'll save you the trouble.................:smiley_smack:

yes i did Laugh Out Loud.....so what did your boy win the open or something?

Btw its not the induction this time!! its not its not its not!!!!

Man she runs like a banshee (btw, whats a banshee?)

[glassman]

Nice Mike, but with out the video it didn't happen!!! :poke: :welcome3: :D

I've got the video on my phone, how do i get it here? do i need a youtube account? or can it be done in the world of apple?

[Sieg]

Don't ask Tracky!

[glassman]

yes i did Laugh Out Loud.....so what did your boy win the open or something?

Btw its not the induction this time!! its not its not its not!!!!

Man she runs like a banshee (btw, whats a banshee?)

I think its an indian referance, although i married one and she doesnt know either....

[Sieg]

yes i did Laugh Out Loud.....so what did your boy win the open or something?

Btw its not the induction this time!! its not its not its not!!!!

Man she runs like a banshee (btw, whats a banshee?)
:D

Well I was happy to see Justin pull it off......

Not induction? Exorcism?

A Banshee is a Yamahahaha

[glassman]

:D

Well I was happy to see Justin pull it off......

Not induction? Exorcism?

A Banshee is a Yamahahaha

And no i'm not naming her rosemary's baby...

and wikipedia on banshee

ban·shee
/ˈbanSHē/
Noun
(in Irish legend) A female spirit whose wailing warns of an impending death in a house.

soooooo....lets just change the subject and be happy she goes like.....

[Sieg]

A female spirit whose wailing warns of an impending death in a house.
:confused59:

What version of the LS do you have?

The car looks like it's a great driver! What coilover setups are you considering?

[glassman]

Its an LS1 with an 85mm intake and long tubes....and heads getting built and a cam in the works. The heads are getting done in Fremont by Angie i believe of Daves engine and machine, and is spec'n a custom grind from comp. but thats phase 2. Right now i am at about 410 at the crank and i just need to learn how to "drive" .

can i post a vid without having a youtube acct?

[tubbed69]

very nice looking car Mr. Glassman

[Sieg]

can i post a vid without having a youtube acct?
I believe it needs to be hosted on another site like YouTube or Vimeo.
YouTube accounts are free........you can easily upload video's from you phone with their ap once you have an account which is quick to setup.

You've got enough motor to get a big ticket! Too much more equals jail time. :D

[GregWeld]

:gitrdun: :G-Dub:



Really just want to subscribe....

[glassman]

I believe it needs to be hosted on another site like YouTube or Vimeo.
YouTube accounts are free........you can easily upload video's from you phone with their ap once you have an account which is quick to setup.

You've got enough motor to get a big ticket! Too much more equals jail time. :D

Which is why i see trac daze in my future....I was selling my land yacht to buy my long sought after 911 but i'll wait another year on the Porche (haha get it?) and use the coach to pull the "dis-traction".

Starting work on the cage....final tune's next week....video to follow (its about time i see what all this youtube fuss is about...jk)

[glassman]

And no, i dont want to borrow your carb, i like my color the way it is (was that too harsh? cause i've been trying to think of something all day cause you made me crack up last nite...)

[glassman]

its getting closer, but running into computer gremlins. Redid the computer, swapped out the GTO computer for an 01 F body computer, now running into fuel issues. May be the fuel pump in the new Spectre tank, may.....to be continued.

Mike

[67goatman455]

Well she fires and runs.

Bugs, GTO computer was for an Auto, my T56 isnt agreeing with the computer, six reprograms with HP Tuners and its getting closer. But my mechanic Josh is on vacation this week so the bugs will have to wait, although she is very drivable. Me likey.

The clutch is still "not blead" enough imo, two GM techs have said sometimes ya just gotta drive em for one to two weeks to settle everything in. I would have liked to install the Tick performance adjustable clutch master....so well see next week.
Any opinions on this matter?

Thanx, Mike

did this on my Tick install....

unhook the line that goes into the slave and push on the pedal lightly by HAND. pretty sure if you do it by foot, your going to blow the line up. When i was bench bleeding like normal i left the plunger inside the quick disconnect closed and slightly pressed the rod and watched all my air bubbles go straight up the reservoir

[glassman]

thanks scott, i will try that.

still cant figure out the "fuel" shut off issues, have a thread going on in high tech retrofits, but still havent found the problem. We're thinking it may be weak pump in the tank, new, but weak. Thats my gut....

mikee

[glassman]

Well, went on the Goodguys trip to Texas on is maiden road trip, 2nd time on the freeway on its way too texas. Had a great time. Car ran great, had no fuel issues at 6000'. Car had a great run, steering issues still to be sorted and still can't fill the tank to full (venting or baffling issues) and small driveline shimmy (probably the shaft) and no a/c sucked in Arizona

Knocked down 24.89 mpg and went 2085 miles. LS is the waaaay to go.
80 mph, 2000 rpm, with 3:73's and 17"rims.


Pics to follow when I get home,

Chassis and rear next for sure.

Mike

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/image-22.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/image-22.jpg.html)

[carbuff]

I never did get to check out your car unfortunately... I walked over to the staging area where some of the cars from the Tour were, but yours wasn't there...

Good to meet you this weekend, and hope the car gets back home safely... You'll get the issues sorted out I'm sure!

[fleet]

Mike,

Congrats on the successful trip....that's a bunch of miles. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

What's with the trailer going home?!?!?!?!

[Sieg]

LS is the waaaay to go.

BITE your LIP! :bitchslap:

:D

[Rick D]

LS is the waaaay to go.

BITE your LIP! :bitchslap:

:D

Yeah right Sieg :catfight: :BlahBlah: LS LS LS :BlahBlah: :bitchslap:

Glad it all went good for the most part Mike!! But please keep the LS talk down :lol:

[WSSix]

congrats on a successful trip, Mike :thumbsup:

[glassman]

I never did get to check out your car unfortunately... I walked over to the staging area where some of the cars from the Tour were, but yours wasn't there...

Good to meet you this weekend, and hope the car gets back home safely... You'll get the issues sorted out I'm sure!
Bryan, great meeting you too, you have a great ride and i got some great pics of you on the autocross
Mike,

Congrats on the successful trip....that's a bunch of miles. :thumbsup:
Skip, we were talking bout you on Friday (as i was with the bbt customs guys all week)

What's with the trailer going home?!?!?!?!
Greg, i took nine days off and am taking two weeks off later this month with my wifey of 25 short years, and she's more fun to .........lol you'll meet her at the lat-g dinner

BITE your LIP! :bitchslap:

Sieg, drink the kool aid ......

:D

Yeah right Sieg :catfight: :BlahBlah: LS LS LS :BlahBlah: :bitchslap:

Glad it all went good for the most part Mike!! But please keep the LS talk down :lol:

And I still can't get that tank to work lol, I actually think its a venting issue with my system, I hope .....

It was a blast....more pics to follow this week

[Sieg]

Sieg, drink the kool aid ......

:D


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[fleet]

Skip, we were talking bout you on Friday (as i was with the bbt customs guys all week)


Mike,

If the word 'slacker' was used to describe me/my project, I would be ok with that.

:D

[Ron in SoCal]

Mike,

If the word 'slacker' was used to describe me/my project, I would be ok with that.

:D

Wait, what??? :D

[Rick D]

Mike,

If the word 'slacker' was used to describe me/my project, I would be ok with that.

:D

Wait, what??? :D

^^^^ what he said^^^^ what project??? :popcorn2:

[fleet]

Wait, what??? :D

^^^^ what he said^^^^ what project??? :popcorn2:

I'll pm you Camaro dudes. But I promise you this, we will build the best V10 in the Cosmo(s).

lol


:hello:

[glassman]

No Skip, there was only a mention of "a possible project" as we were talking "lat-g" stuff.....so ya, pm me the goodies, ......

working on pics tonite and tomorrow,

[tubbed69]

Congrats on the successful trip,I bet it was a good time,do you have a vent on your tank?

[glassman]

Yeah, its been vented and revented, i think there either may be fuel or a pinch in my hard line, but my venting hose goes up above the tank and i believe its routed correctly, still may be a baffling issue. One thing we noticed (David Pozzi to give credit where credit is due) spotted the filler tube goes all the way down to the bottom of the tank. I get the car home on thursday, so up on stands it goes (it seems to like being worked on, kind of like a chick hooked on plastic surgery)

[Rod P]

it seems to like being worked on, kind of like a chick hooked on plastic surgery

don't they :catfight:

[joerob727]

Hey Mike,

It was great meeting you and some of the other Lat-G guys last weekend. I enjoyed hearing about your trek from the west coast in spite of your drivetrain difficulties. I also enjoyed checking out your ride as I am headed in the same direction with my '72. I can only hope to have mine as far along and at next years Good Guys alongside yours.

Looking forward to hearing you've sorted everything out and are back on the road soon in spite of your busy schedule.

Thanks again for taking the time to share and I hope to see you guys back in the Big D next year.

Joe

[glassman]

Thanx Joe, it was nice meeting you too. I cant wait to do it again, although if it goes as good as it did, i may just go tag florida.....

[cjsgarage]

just to clear up some of the questions that were posted before, in case someone is losing sleep over it:
The fuel pump was indeed causing our cut-out issues. But we did chase the traction control stuff all the way through that computer. Dang, they hid stuff everywhere. We went back to the GTO computer because the f-body computer didn't like the GTO oxygen sensors. Somewhere in one of these posts by glassman there's a youtube link of it cutting out. I'll post it here, just in case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsnFdl6wzo
you can see the fuel pressure plummet under load.

and the clutch didn't need to be bled. The problem ended up being a combination of not enough shimming for the pilot bearing on the new front plate conversion and too much preload on the input shaft behind the front plate conversion. When we switched from LT1 front plate to LS1 front plate my brother put an extra shim in the input shaft bearing recess and it spec'd out fine.. except when we torqued down the front plate it got too tight in there so it was making the first few gears tough to shift into. We must've had the transmission out 3 or 4 times on that one. (and I thought I was fast at pulling T56's before.. I got it down to a science now)


now if we could only get the tank to full, we'd be in pretty good shape.

if you're more interested in some chatter on the build, I threw up a quick blog post on it, too.
http://www.cjsgarage.net/blog/project-dis-traction-comes-to-life/


P.S. Sorry to hijack your thread, glassman, just wanted to tie up the loose ends on some of the questions and talk a little more about the build. I'm sure some of you like to stick your noses under the hood a little bit :unibrow: I know I do!

[glassman]

just to clear up some of the questions that were posted before, in case someone is losing sleep over it:
The fuel pump was indeed causing our cut-out issues. But we did chase the traction control stuff all the way through that computer. Dang, they hid stuff everywhere. We went back to the GTO computer because the f-body computer didn't like the GTO oxygen sensors. Somewhere in one of these posts by glassman there's a youtube link of it cutting out. I'll post it here, just in case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NsnFdl6wzo
you can see the fuel pressure plummet under load.

and the clutch didn't need to be bled. The problem ended up being a combination of not enough shimming for the pilot bearing on the new front plate conversion and too much preload on the input shaft behind the front plate conversion. When we switched from LT1 front plate to LS1 front plate my brother put an extra shim in the input shaft bearing recess and it spec'd out fine.. except when we torqued down the front plate it got too tight in there so it was making the first few gears tough to shift into. We must've had the transmission out 3 or 4 times on that one. (and I thought I was fast at pulling T56's before.. I got it down to a science now)


now if we could only get the tank to full, we'd be in pretty good shape.

if you're more interested in some chatter on the build, I threw up a quick blog post on it, too.
http://www.cjsgarage.net/blog/project-dis-traction-comes-to-life/


P.S. Sorry to hijack your thread, glassman, just wanted to tie up the loose ends on some of the questions and talk a little more about the build. I'm sure some of you like to stick your noses under the hood a little bit :unibrow: I know I do!

The way i see it Josh is that its your thread too, without you, i'd still be small block. I am sold on LS power now.

Chassis next!!!!

[WSSix]

Glad you guys got the fuel cut off issue sorted :thumbsup:

[glassman]

any body know which model Forgeline this is?
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/image-23.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/image-23.jpg.html)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

any body know which model Forgeline this is?
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/image-23.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/image-23.jpg.html)

look like http://www.forgeline.com/products/competition-series/gz3r.html

[glassman]

I think thats the one, thanx Vince.

I looked on their site last nite, and was like "you guys seriously make that many different wheels?" wow.

[glassman]

Well after two months of research: front clip vs. control arms and steering, tomorrow she's going to Custom Works in Chico for a little work

March "sport track" accessories
Speedtech upper and lower CA's
AFCO adj coil-overs
Custom Works sub frame connectors
GM new steering box 14:5-1 i believe
Power coat existing subframe assembly
Hooker headers new ones
Hooker engine mounts and crossmember

So I decided to do this over the subframe change out for a couple of reasons:
#1 I'm a "good" driver but not great, need more saddle time so I wont be able out drive my talent for quite some time.
#2 $6300 to $7200 plus exhaust, brakes, and other incidental's adds up quick vs $4200 and i get to keep the Baer "track" brakes i have on it now, which are good, but not as "good" as what would of came on a subframe set up.
#3 Hooker's new set-up i saw at SEMA was a serious seed for me, pretty much turn key and gets all the angles and clearances just right for a good price and minimal headache, i've been through enough with the LS swap as it is.

So as she sits now, the Dynatech headers sit 2.375 from finished floor to bottom of collector now, I've got the trans-adapt engine mounts at their highest setting (my t-56 is 3/16 from the tunnel), I may be able to get the Dynatech exhaust to work as its 22.5 C/L right now and the Hooker setup is 20.5 c/L. So in my opinion, the collector is just too low.

I currently have 0 steering under "autocross" conditions, something we did in the swap with the reservoir effed up my steering, plus i needed a new box anyways, 2 to 3 inches of play was a little much. The car steers fine on the freeway and left and right turns, but when forced, it hydraulically locks up.

Plus my alternator being so low took away Ackerman angle so the geometry is off, which could be adding to the problem, when i "jerk" the steering wheel.

So moving the alternator, new power steering box, and adding a/c, was worth it to get the March "sport track" kit, $1450 vs $2400 for the Wegnar, while i like the Wegner setup more, a grand is a grand (less new water pump), so we'll see if this March set-up is worth the 850 or so, cause i've "bought" many a headache's in the past by trying to save money. With three kids in college right now, yes, life is very expensive. So hopefully, in a month or so, i'll have a front suspender set up ALOT more dialed in than what i have now...

Now, to ponder the rear....

[glassman]

how she sits now

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/MIKES/Pictures/2013-10-08%20Texas%20Road%20Trip%20and%20some%20disney/TexasRoadTripandsomedisney114.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/MIKES/Pictures/2013-10-08%20Texas%20Road%20Trip%20and%20some%20disney/TexasRoadTripandsomedisney114.jpg.html)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I would not worry at all about the subframe. They are great with a few modifications and reinforcments. Just Keiths addition of the Delphi box will wake it up nicely.
Keith will give it the run through. Talk him into making composite wheel houses for you too!! For that much needed tire space. :cheers:

[71RS/SS396]

Add a power steering cooler to your list while you're at it if you plan to auto-x, it will save your pump and box.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Add a power steering cooler to your list while you're at it if you plan to auto-x, it will save your pump and box.

cooler yep, thats in keiths repertoire.

[WSSix]

You've basically listed the same reasons I intend to keep my front sub as well, Mike. I can't afford a new front subframe and rear suspension. I'd love to go with one of Scott's front ends but I simply can't justify changing out the entire front sub either. Good luck with it. Let us know how you like it once it's back together.

[glassman]

Add a power steering cooler to your list while you're at it if you plan to auto-x, it will save your pump and box.

cooler yep, thats in keiths repertoire.

Will do. thanx for the heads up.

[glassman]

You've basically listed the same reasons I intend to keep my front sub as well, Mike. I can't afford a new front subframe and rear suspension. I'd love to go with one of Scott's front ends but I simply can't justify changing out the entire front sub either. Good luck with it. Let us know how you like it once it's back together.

Yeah Trey, i will. Take the difference (($) between the two and by something that wont depreciate, ;)

I have three kids in college right now, been saving since '98, still not enough. so priorities are kids education, retirement funds, then car.....

[maxxom]

Can't wait to see some pics on the track in action.

[glassman]

So the subframe before powder:

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/e502093ed0498efd55ba6a3ae02bc6e7.jpg

[glassman]

The old subframe 'out' of the car:

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/8c44d31c7a9952c97cff9a9e73f4c19a.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/55707c07451d58d0d28502f18287bcf1.jpg

[glassman]

New subframe back in the car with a few new goodies hooked up:

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/047a794bea3c55ec7b23eefbf13cc117.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/34f790f5730cc538a0a48a4cbc90942e.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/46aa78d5a912143277a53905b8733df6.jpg

And a new steering box: (top view)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/8473de3d62754b84d076bc584cd0201e.jpg

And the new Hooker header for the 2nd gen swap, got new engine and xmember mounts and solid body bushings and subframe connectors

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/1ffa6fd3235763e7198deedbf85c42c5.jpg

[Vince@Meanstreets]

your gonna love that steering box and frame stiffiner bar.

[glassman]

Boy Vince, anything was gonna help. I fried my power steering box by trying to run a "nice" reservoir and the 43 year old box moved 2.5" before engagement. Now I can really learn how to drive.....slideways...

[syborg tt]

Mike the car is coming along nicely. I can't wait to here your feedback on the set up from Custom Works & SpeedTech.

[ks71z28]

Car is coming along very well. What no comments on R&R of the subframe with the motor in the car? Mike's car will have near identical steering and suspension upfront that I run on my car. Car should be back on the road in less than 2 weeks!

Keith aka Custom Works Performance

www.customworksperformance.net

[syborg tt]

Car is coming along very well. What no comments on R&R of the subframe with the motor in the car? Mike's car will have near identical steering and suspension upfront that I run on my car. Car should be back on the road in less than 2 weeks!

Keith aka Custom Works Performance

www.customworksperformance.net

Seemed strange to leave the motor in. But I did meet you in person so it all makes sense.

[WSSix]

lol, nice!!


So does that frame bar really work that well?


Looking good, Mike.

[waynieZ]

Its looking great, it should make a big difference with all those new parts.

[ks71z28]

Seemed strange to leave the motor in. But I did meet you in person so it all makes sense.

Took 7 hours to swap bar frames out, you tell me how long it would take to remove hood, disconnect all engine components, pull motor and trans, etc.... It really was the best way to go

[ks71z28]

lol, nice!!


So does that frame bar really work that well?


Looking good, Mike.

The 2G frame brace counteracts the forces applied from the sway bar. Works great and adds minimal weight

[gerno]

Looks real good, I feel like a slacker with all your progress. Have you test fitted the new headers for fitment?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Car is coming along very well. What no comments on R&R of the subframe with the motor in the car?


I thought that was the norm? get back to work.
:tv_happy:

[GregWeld]

Gotta be some progress in one of these threads... maybe it's in this one?? LOL

[glassman]

Got some pics of the header fitment today from Keith. He finished up the exhaust today. Hopefully the accessories will be mounted tomorrow.

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/d2b8cb25c963c102a72e0cafdf7270ca.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/239c5251fc6c85f7245f51d2019a84f9.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/091eead79bcd60a29b8ffdc408a5eb6e.jpg

[tubbed69]

Cars looking really good Mike:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[glassman]

Cars looking really good Mike:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you very much. I may just very well be in you neck of the woods next summer. I'm trying to do a road trip to Tennessee and on to W.V as i have some very good friends there (New Martinsville)....

[Vince@Meanstreets]

yikes that collector is low, looking good so far!!

[tubbed69]

Thank you very much. I may just very well be in you neck of the woods next summer. I'm trying to do a road trip to Tennessee and on to W.V as i have some very good friends there (New Martinsville)....

Mike if you make it to WV let me know.

[ks71z28]

yikes that collector is low, looking good so far!!

The collector is a bit higher than the dynatech, and we were able to move the X-pipe up a full 2" from where it was mounted before

[glassman]

yikes that collector is low, looking good so far!!

vince, my dynatech's were 2.375 from finished floor to bottom of collector and 4.25 to frame rail. When i saw the hookers in vegas (my wife will love that line) they were almost flush with the frame rail using their mounts and xmember. I think that pic has somewhat of an optical illusion to it. I have pics posted in the LSx section on pt and in the hightech section on nastyz28 but i havent transfered any pics to my office computer....i'd like to see a side by side

[glassman]

What i'm hopin for

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/9126667457ab7d4417c7e8caede2d289.jpg

What i have now

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/d2b8cb25c963c102a72e0cafdf7270ca.jpg

I'm hopin its what Hooker sold me on, was the fitmant of the headers, it wasnt all that bad before except the 2.375 of clearance.

Keith was telling me what was scratched up was the x pipe mounting was too low. Hopefully i've gained an inch or two but we'll see......

[sebtarta]

Mike is that with the Hooker engine mounts and cross member as well? Those headers seem to be sitting lower than what Hooker claims. Unless it is the angle of the picture.

[glassman]

Mike is that with the Hooker engine mounts and cross member as well? Those headers seem to be sitting lower than what Hooker claims. Unless it is the angle of the picture.

Yes. and i'm hoping its the angle of the pic....

[glassman]

Just confirmed with Keith that its 2 1/4 from f/floor to bottom of header.....So my "hooker" investment didn't pan out....Plus he just told me the March stuff is hitting the inner fenders...Not a good day for the blue car!

Shoulda bought the Wegner setup and left the Dynatechs alone, but now my subframe is powder coated to look at the bright side.....:G-Dub:

Hopefully todd will chime in and offer an explanation or option....

[syborg tt]

I would call Todd ASAP and ask him what's wrong. It's clearly different from what was displayed at Sema.

Just confirmed with Keith that its 2 1/4 from f/floor to bottom of header.....So my "hooker" investment didn't pan out....Plus he just told me the March stuff is hitting the inner fenders...Not a good day for the blue car!

Shoulda bought the Wegner setup and left the Dynatechs alone, but now my subframe is powder coated to look at the bright side.....:G-Dub:

Hopefully todd will chime in and offer an explanation or option....

[GregWeld]

Yeah -- I wouldn't take that --- what they showed is clearly different from the product you received. Now add labor to that -- in and out and in and out.... That's not right.

[Panteracer]

At 2 1/4" off the ground it is drivable but will hit sometimes
My 70 Ta clone headers were 1 1/2" off the ground until I
raised the car.. now it is 2 1/4" better but not great... Pontiac headers for round
port heads with 3 1/2' collectors by Dougs.. will have to make
a set of customs some day as the tri-y's are no longer available

Car looks good

Paneracer Norcal Bob

[glassman]

I would call Todd ASAP and ask him what's wrong. It's clearly different from what was displayed at Sema.

Keith was telling me its almost impossible to get ahold of Todd and sales wont do shi...so i'm gonna pm him over on nasty and post the pics there as well....

Yeah -- I wouldn't take that --- what they showed is clearly different from the product you received. Now add labor to that -- in and out and in and out.... That's not right.

NO DOUBT!! Hopefully the'll make it right, i coulda just left well enough alone, but noooooooo....

At 2 1/4" off the ground it is drivable but will hit sometimes
My 70 Ta clone headers were 1 1/2" off the ground until I
raised the car.. now it is 2 1/4" better but not great... Pontiac headers for round
port heads with 3 1/2' collectors by Dougs.. will have to make
a set of customs some day as the tri-y's are no longer available

Car looks good

Paneracer Norcal Bob

Yeah, i can live with it if i have too, just pissed away 1200 bucks, I will be letting Holley/Hooker know....
thanx for the compliments too...

[Vince@Meanstreets]

What i'm hopin for

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/9126667457ab7d4417c7e8caede2d289.jpg

What i have now

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/d2b8cb25c963c102a72e0cafdf7270ca.jpg

I'm hopin its what Hooker sold me on, was the fitmant of the headers, it wasnt all that bad before except the 2.375 of clearance.

Keith was telling me what was scratched up was the x pipe mounting was too low. Hopefully i've gained an inch or two but we'll see......

Yeah, the closer the low spot is to the tire the better. Tire goes over the obstacle and the header will go up too.

I think its just how the rack platform gives a false ground in the picture.

[gerno]

I was thinking about those new Hooker headers myself since they are for "maximum ground clearance" in the description. Reading all the articles I could only find pics of the 74-81 headers and a note saying they won't fit the 70-73 because they will hit the floor. This made me very nervous about them. Sorry you had to be the Guiney pig....and it's not working out.

[toddoky]

Keith was telling me its almost impossible to get ahold of Todd and sales wont do shi...so i'm gonna pm him over on nasty and post the pics there as well....



NO DOUBT!! Hopefully the'll make it right, i coulda just left well enough alone, but noooooooo....



Yeah, i can live with it if i have too, just pissed away 1200 bucks, I will be letting Holley/Hooker know....
thanx for the compliments too...

I'm aware of the situation and will get things figured out for you Mike. I am not suspecting the engine mounts you were sent could have been the wrong ones...I'm exchange info/photos with Keith to get to the bottom of it.

[glassman]

I'm aware of the situation and will get things figured out for you Mike. I am not suspecting the engine mounts you were sent could have been the wrong ones...I'm exchange info/photos with Keith to get to the bottom of it.

Todd, we werent able to get that dimension today, but the t-56 is where it was at before, almost rubbing the tunnel, so the engine cant go up any. Pretty sure everything is the right parts, we may just have to swap them for the later gen 2 stuff. Also, can you check and see if theres any mathematical difference between the ss ones and the ceramic ones i bought, the ones on the SEMA display were s/s.
I'll upgrade if i have too, i'm looking to gain an inch. would be nice and acceptable if we could acheive that, otherwise the Dynatechs were fine in my case. Somebody else looking to use this kit for an LS swap, it is a good kit, easy and well priced.

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/e502093ed0498efd55ba6a3ae02bc6e7.jpg

So, the subframe is stock. Only the upper shock towers have been modified to accept coil-overs, and the front g-bar mount has nothing to do with it. So that rules the modified subframe possibility out.

[carbuff]

It is possible that you have a set of big block frame mounts instead of a small block set? I cannot remember which is which, but as I recall, there is a difference in the height of the mounts between the SBC and BBC...

I don't know if it would matter or not, but did the subframe come from a Camaro or a Firebird?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yep bbc and Z28 are the same, 3/4" lower

[glassman]

Both good points. But if the t-56 is where it was within a 1/4".....the engine did move back a 1/4 to 1/2 from where it was...

[ks71z28]

Originally Posted by syborg tt View Post
I would call Todd ASAP and ask him what's wrong. It's clearly different from what was displayed at Sema.
Keith was telling me its almost impossible to get ahold of Todd and sales wont do shi...so i'm gonna pm him over on nasty and post the pics there as well....


above is not the case. Custom Works Performance is on a pretty small network of authorized dealer/installation centers for Hooker/Holley EFI. I have Todd's cell phone number and we have been working really hard to figure out any issue here. The frame mounts are correct, because the Hooker kit requires use of the clamshell mounts. There is no issue with fitment, and the early headers fit pretty much where they were intended to fit. Todd and I have compared pictures back and forth. We believe that there may be an issue with minor changes GM did to the chassis, and or body bushing dimensions.

So you know, I couldn't be more happy with the installation of the Hooker LS mounts, cross member, and headers. We have been selling lots of these pieces and will continue to do so. It is the best complete system out on the market, and the price is pretty fair as well. Also we will be installing the Hooker relocation brackets for the accessories on Mike's car. We will be able of offer you pictures and our feedback on how they work and fit!

There is no need for everyone to go on a lynching. Mike is very pleased with the look of his new parts. His only issue is that the gains in ground clearance have been less than what he expected. So right now Custom Works and Todd at Hooker are working together to ensure the products you get meet your expectations. In the mean time call if you have any questions or need some parts 530 864-5846 Keith- Custom Works Performance

[syborg tt]

Morning Keith,

I think they have a great product and I my only concern was that the headers would sit flush with the subframe like the one we saw at Sema.

I will also agree Todd is a very nice guy and I am glad you and him are trying to work this out.

I'll upgrade if i have too, i'm looking to gain an inch. would be nice and acceptable if we could acheive that, otherwise the Dynatechs were fine in my case. Somebody else looking to use this kit for an LS swap, it is a good kit, easy and well priced.

ps Lets see if we can find Mike that "Inch" he was looking for. I am sure it would make his wife happy.

[glassman]

Morning Keith,

I think they have a great product and I my only concern was that the headers would sit flush with the subframe like the one we saw at Sema.

I will also agree Todd is a very nice guy and I am glad you and him are trying to work this out.



ps Lets see if we can find Mike that "Inch" he was looking for. I am sure it would make his wife happier.

There i fixed it for you. I'm sure it "wood" to! :rofl:

And we have to be careful here using words like "hooker" "vegas" "inch", our wifeys might not like that.....

[ks71z28]

What I'm a miracle worker now!

Marty,

the headers on the SEMA frame and the frame were both late 75-81.

[gerno]

Mike

Curious if any progress has been made to get your headers to match the ground clearance in the mock up photos Todd posted on my LS3 thread.

If your not worried about it and going to run them as is question then becomes, is the car driving yet or what?? :poke:

[glassman]

Mike

Curious if any progress has been made to get your headers to match the ground clearance in the mock up photos Todd posted on my LS3 thread.

If your not worried about it and going to run them as is question then becomes, is the car driving yet or what?? :poke:

Steve, the car is held up a little at Custom Works due to the accessories mounting. The kit i ordered from March (sport trac kit) doesn't work for our second gens, the bracketry allows the alternator to go out too far and hits the inner fender....parts from Holley should be at Keith's shop around Thursday.

Last i spoke with Keith last week, Hooker is doing something for me/Keith on this, but Keith said it was a "suprise"....so i waiting patiently...cause i cant wait to drive it....

[syborg tt]

Steve, the car is held up a little at Custom Works due to the accessories mounting. The kit i ordered from March (sport trac kit) doesn't work for our second gens, the bracketry allows the alternator to go out too far and hits the inner fender....parts from Holley should be at Keith's shop around Thursday.

Last i spoke with Keith last week, Hooker is doing something for me/Keith on this, but Keith said it was a "suprise"....so i waiting patiently...cause i cant wait to drive it....

tell me they found your missing "inch"

[glassman]

tell me they found your missing "inch"

You should ask Pam, no wait, dont.

[ks71z28]

OK,

I have a sort of editorial on the experience with the Hooker/Holley products as ther pertain to Custom Works and Mikes 1970 Camaro. I don't wish to post a bunch of negative stuff or cause any problems with Todd or Hooker. If anyone wishes to read my editorial, below is a link about our experience in our forum section on NastyZ ----> Keith Custom Works

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271988

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I have had nothing but problems with 2nd gen header clearance. My guess is the manufacturers would rather have it closer to the ground than the floor boards. liability with potential fire hazard I suppose.

I now run mid lengths and extend the collector tube and attach with a band clamp. It also involves notching the frame. :underchair:

I wish these guys would at least take some advise if someone (like Keith and myself) had offered it free of charge.

BTW the Edelbrock ones fitment WAS pretty nice.

[gerno]

Thanks for posting the update. It's very unfortunate to hear the issue isn't being fixed by Hooker. Hopefully Todd steps up soon. Sucks that Mike jumped all in with the hooker products and is now getting burned.

Vince

Of all the long tubes, which have the best ground clearance, is it the Stainless works or Kooks or something else?

Which mid lengths and extensions do you use? Do you have any pics of this setup? I remember a comment from Stielow that he like the mid lengths too due to clearance and that the power loss is extremely low compared to the full length. I'm thinking I'll take this route for my car

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanks for posting the update. It's very unfortunate to hear the issue isn't being fixed by Hooker. Hopefully Todd steps up soon. Sucks that Mike jumped all in with the hooker products and is now getting burned.

Vince

Of all the long tubes, which have the best ground clearance, is it the Stainless works or Kooks or something else?

Which mid lengths and extensions do you use? Do you have any pics of this setup? I remember a comment from Stielow that he like the mid lengths too due to clearance and that the power loss is extremely low compared to the full length. I'm thinking I'll take this route for my car

Kooks are nice but out of budget for most of my clients. Power loss is miniscule. Not enough to sacrifice ground clearance and a set of expensive headers everytime you drive down town.


I have an album on the header and modifications made on my facebook page. The headers, mods, coating and labor was less than $800.

[glassman]

Kooks are nice but out of budget for most of my clients. Power loss is miniscule. Not enough to sacrifice ground clearance and a set of expensive headers everytime you drive down town.


I have an album on the header and modifications made on my facebook page. The headers, mods, coating and labor was less than $800.

Oh sure, now you tell me! hehe. With what i'm planning to do with the car, this probably wont be my only set.....

[GregWeld]

Oh sure, now you tell me! hehe. With what i'm planning to do with the car, this probably wont be my only set.....



I've had complete custom headers built before.... sometimes what you THINK is expensive isn't... Especially when you get what you want.

[WSSix]

I plan to either make my own or go the midlength route like Vince. I figured I would be doing this simply because no one that I know actually makes a header that clears a WS6 subframe. We will see where my welding skills are when it comes time to build the headers. Kinda wish the Hooker parts had worked out. Though, moving the engine to the center wasn't something I was really wanting.

Sorry to hear you didn't have a good experience with the Hooker parts, Mike.

[glassman]

I plan to either make my own or go the midlength route like Vince. I figured I would be doing this simply because no one that I know actually makes a header that clears a WS6 subframe. We will see where my welding skills are when it comes time to build the headers. Kinda wish the Hooker parts had worked out. Though, moving the engine to the center wasn't something I was really wanting.

Sorry to hear you didn't have a good experience with the Hooker parts, Mike.


The only problems i really had with the hooker stuff is the distance of the headers to the ground. Otherr than that, its a good product for a good price, also gets your pinion angle just right, i didnt like the face that it moves the engine over a 1/2 inch, screwed up all the power steering stuff and alternatlr bracketry...but yeah, the mid lengths are the ticket.

Now we have what we think are some coil's not firing, almost ready to bring home, detail then auto-x, then cage and mini tubs, rims and torque arm or four link.....

[ks71z28]

While the Hooker stuff was a disapointment, Mike's car was really nice to work on, and will now run with the big dogs! We beefed up his subframe, installed our coilover kit, added additional bracing, and powdercoated the frame. We installed a set of our subframe connectors and solid body bushings. We also installed new upper and lower control arms. The underside of the car is stunning. We installed the Hooker headers, and also re-worked Mikes Dynatech exhaust system to tuck the X pipe up another INCH! Unfortunately the headers are the low point. I was able to tweak the driverside to at least match the clearance of the passenger side???

We also installed the entire Holley accessory bracketry. Fo anyone with a 2nd gen interested in using this stuff we have some work arounds and I suggest calling us to assist in making it work, it is the cheapest way to go, and looks factory, oh it is!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

i see a new avatar.....anything new?

[glassman]

Going up to Chico today to trailer it home. Since we had to move the coil packs from behind the engine to the stock placement back on top of the valve covers (the holley system moved the engine back 1/2" so no room), we had to install the stock LS1 coils i got when i bought the engine, turns out about 1/2 of them are bad.

Keith borrowed a side from his buddy's car and it ran fine, so he drove it 10 or so miles to "shake it down". So alls well cept the coil's..plus he'd rather me trailer it home and do small trips for a while to make sure everything's good.

So, i get to pull a Camaro behind my Trailblazer SS, in the rain for three plus hours and i've never pulled a car before...it will be a Loooonnggg drive home, as i wont see anything over the double nickel....with a cold. wahwah.

[ks71z28]

You haven't left yet!

[Rick D]

Going up to Chico today to trailer it home. Since we had to move the coil packs from behind the engine to the stock placement back on top of the valve covers (the holley system moved the engine back 1/2" so no room), we had to install the stock LS1 coils i got when i bought the engine, turns out about 1/2 of them are bad.

Keith borrowed a side from his buddy's car and it ran fine, so he drove it 10 or so miles to "shake it down". So alls well cept the coil's..plus he'd rather me trailer it home and do small trips for a while to make sure everything's good.

So, i get to pull a Camaro behind my Trailblazer SS, in the rain for three plus hours and i've never pulled a car before...it will be a Loooonnggg drive home, as i wont see anything over the double nickel....with a cold. wahwah.

Mike you wants cheese with that wine??? :headspin: :D

Oh and don't forget we need pictures?? :popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

Mike you wants cheese with that wine??? :headspin: :D

Oh and don't forget we need pictures?? :popcorn2:




That was a lot of whining wasn't it?!?! You'd think going to pick up your car is EXCITING -- take two cold pills -- jump in the slug SS -- and go towin' dude!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Towing in California SUCKS! That whole 55 mph thing just kills me.

[glassman]

That was a lot of whining wasn't it?!?! You'd think going to pick up your car is EXCITING -- take two cold pills -- jump in the slug SS -- and go towin' dude!!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Towing in California SUCKS! That whole 55 mph thing just kills me.

Plus it was dark wet and cold, it was scary....haha. Piece of gravy!!! The TBSS towed it sweetly, and yeah Greg, i found myself doing 68/70 at times, whoa slow down nelly.....Too bad i got home in the dark, no pics.....now to the coils and gas guage....

[notchbackgta]

Towing in California SUCKS! That whole 55 mph thing just kills me.

It's only a problem if you get caught.... not like I followed that too much when I was driving for Keith

[MX145]

Mike post some pics. :poke: I'm in suspense over here! :)

[MX145]

Towing in California SUCKS! That whole 55 mph thing just kills me.

That's for sure! I've been pulled over for that one before.

[ks71z28]

It's only a problem if you get caught.... not like I followed that too much when I was driving for Keith

BTW, thanks for driving! You coming for Laguna Seca? I'm working my ass off to get car finished

[WSSix]

Seriously, we need pics.

Glad it's home, Mike.

[glassman]

Pics are coming, need to get the coil paks fixed so i can drive her!! possibly tomorrow, right now the whole left bank is not "fired", so its wiring or coil paks.

I will post pics asap.....

[glassman]

OK. So Josh and i got the coils (well Josh) squared away, got her runnin and took her out on her maiden (new suspension) voyage tonite at dusk. Wow, just wow. If you can "picture" whats something is supposed to feel like, thats is how my suspension and steering now "feel" like, its just right. Baked first and second and the steering and the car are planted just right.

The subframe connecters, Gbar bracing, Speedtech UCA's and LCA's and AFCO coilovers and new steering box, its like driving a whole new car, no comparison to the way it was before.

Like to give Keith at Custom Works a shout out, great service, great pricing and overall a great job. He did the Holley/Hooker mounts/exhaust conversion. Powder coated the subframe, door hinge bushings, and new front accessory package.

Pics to follow and some slideways video....

[Vince@Meanstreets]

How's that steering box feeling?? Yep, Keith puts out a great package.

[GregWeld]

Good for you Mike!!

Funny -- If a guy has not done suspension before - they hesitate to spend the money, time, and effort to. Once they have - they can't believe the difference! And it's the first thing they do on their next build! HAHAHAHAHAHA

[ks71z28]

Thanks, Mike. When you specialize in one vehicle, it makes it a lot easier to get something right. Mike's car rides solid and tight like a much more modern car, which is what we "middle agers" are looking for. No secrets here, Mike got the same set up I run beneath my personal car

[syborg tt]

Thanks, Mike. When you specialize in one vehicle, it makes it a lot easier to get something right. Mike's car rides solid and tight like a much more modern car, which is what we "middle agers" are looking for. No secrets here, Mike got the same set up I run beneath my personal car


Holy Crap are you telling me I am going to make it to 94 years of age. I think I am going to look pretty bad at that age.

[glassman]

Holy Crap are you telling me I am going to make it to 94 years of age. I think I am going to look pretty bad at that age.

You 47 too? i though you were a baby haha. Besides, its not the age, its the mileage....Like our friend Rodney Dangerfield once said, "you know your getting old when you go to bed feeling pretty good and wake up injured"...

[glassman]

How's that steering box feeling?? Yep, Keith puts out a great package.

Fricken awesome!!!

Good for you Mike!!

Funny -- If a guy has not done suspension before - they hesitate to spend the money, time, and effort to. Once they have - they can't believe the difference! And it's the first thing they do on their next build! HAHAHAHAHAHA

No doubt. I thought i was doing myself favors by the hotchkis TVS, but man this new steering, bracing and coil-over package is just the ticket. I've always been a suspension first kinda guy (like us dirt bike nuts), Suspension, Brakes, Power, and then on down the line in that order...

[syborg tt]

You 47 too? i though you were a baby haha. Besides, its not the age, its the mileage....Like our friend Rodney Dangerfield once said, "you know your getting old when you go to bed feeling pretty good and wake up injured"...

Close I will be 47 in May and that is best quote I have read all year.

[glassman]

Close I will be 47 in May and that is best quote I have read all year.

Yeah, Rodney's full of them, one of my fav's was "hey, you scratched my anchor" from that golf movie.....

Marty, what rear tail lights did you go with? and do you like them??????

[syborg tt]

Yeah, Rodney's full of them, one of my fav's was "hey, you scratched my anchor" from that golf movie.....

Marty, what rear tail lights did you go with? and do you like them??????

Fessler Billet - They fit great on my NOS tailpan

http://garagescene.net/gallery3/var/resizes/Events/2013-Sema/MMc_Camaro_0074.jpg

[MX145]

No doubt. I thought i was doing myself favors by the hotchkis TVS, but man this new steering, bracing and coil-over package is just the ticket. I've always been a suspension first kinda guy (like us dirt bike nuts), Suspension, Brakes, Power, and then on down the line in that order...

Mike, I'm glad it worked out the way you wanted! I went back to the beginning and read your whole thread. Your car looks great! That was quite an ordeal on the headers.

I'm an ex dirt bike nut too and I took the same approach on my car. Suspension first as it was the next thing behind riding ability to make me faster. Motor was definitely down the list as I've had some of my best seasons with less motor on 2 strokes.

[syborg tt]

Next you should do some light weight wheels, Carbon Fiber Rotors, LW Driveshaft, Flywheel to get rid of the unwanted weight in the best places

[intocarss]

Yeah, Rodney's full of them, one of my fav's was "hey, you scratched my anchor" from that golf movie.....

Marty, what rear tail lights did you go with? and do you like them??????:hello: :hello: :hello:

cGD-tUsySPs


NaqGBF9nUb8

[WSSix]

Excellent news, Mike!

[glassman]

Mike, I'm glad it worked out the way you wanted! I went back to the beginning and read your whole thread. Your car looks great! That was quite an ordeal on the headers.

I'm an ex dirt bike nut too and I took the same approach on my car. Suspension first as it was the next thing behind riding ability to make me faster. Motor was definitely down the list as I've had some of my best seasons with less motor on 2 strokes.

Thanx. KTM did a test a few years back and every body turned the fasted times on the 200 two smoker....

Next you should do some light weight wheels, Carbon Fiber Rotors, LW Driveshaft, Flywheel to get rid of the unwanted weight in the best places

Thanx Martin haha, yeah, just go all F1 on that beotch....wheels and tubs are next though, gotta fill that bucket up though
:hello: :hello: :hello:

cGD-tUsySPs


NaqGBF9nUb8

Jer, you never disapoint !!!!! Friggen hilarious....

Excellent news, Mike!

Trey,, i m diggen for pix of your 2nd gen beast.....where day at???????

[WSSix]

I've got build threads on both PT and NastyZ. PT link is in sig and here's NastyZ http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155518

I haven't updated anything simply because there's nothing to update. I'm working on getting the seats I bought installed but work is slowing me down there. I hope to start a thread here soonish since this is my home mainly now. I'm moving really slow though so it won't be updated often.

After the seats go in, seat belts are next. Then, I'll move onto suspension and chassis bracing. I'm still not as decided as I thought I was on suspension so I'm glad to see you're enjoying your setup.

How smooth is it so far with bumps and cracks in the road? In particular, the leafs?

[glassman]

The leafs are fine for now, but the four link or torque arm is next, with the tubs. But the front tracks nice and genuinely feels like a "newer" car, kinda like a 5th gen vette, the front anyways....

[fleet]

But the front tracks nice and genuinely feels like a "newer" car, kinda like a 5th gen vette, the front anyways....

That's great Mike. :thumbsup:

[WSSix]

Sounds good. I've not heard of anyone having performance leafs and not having a jarring ride. Maybe I will build in stages and find out for myself as I'm more than willing to be shown other wise. That and I'm just not ready to replace my rearend yet since it's got everything I need already there. We will see. Thanks for the feed back. Hurry up with the pictures already though :mock:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sounds good. I've not heard of anyone having performance leafs and not having a jarring ride. Maybe I will build in stages and find out for myself as I'm more than willing to be shown other wise. That and I'm just not ready to replace my rearend yet since it's got everything I need already there. We will see. Thanks for the feed back. Hurry up with the pictures already though :mock:

sometimes you just don't know the differences till you try them both.

[WSSix]

sometimes you just don't know the differences till you try them both.

My thoughts as well. Though I do have a lot of experience driving 4th gens and c4/5 vettes. I may be biased from the get go but I'll give it a shot I think. I can always sell the leafs off later on when all my dividend investing makes me rich :D

I'm taking this same attitude towards building the LT up also. Keep the initial build simple but on a solid foundation. Upgrade from there if I think it'll be worth it. If not, in goes a stroker 6 liter. Learn a lot along the way and have fun doing so. Hopefully.

[ks71z28]

Sounds good. I've not heard of anyone having performance leafs and not having a jarring ride. Maybe I will build in stages and find out for myself as I'm more than willing to be shown other wise. That and I'm just not ready to replace my rearend yet since it's got everything I need already there. We will see. Thanks for the feed back. Hurry up with the pictures already though :mock:

You are hanging out with the wrong bunch then! A multi link rear suspension costs about 7-10 times more than a good rear leafspring set up, once you factor in the well I may as well mini tub, and so on.....

We have steel leafs and composite leafs to suit any performance or comfort situation. The limiting factor with leafs is really the amount of tire you can put under them. Most of the multi link rear suspension systems out on the market are flawed in some way due to the impossible packaging under the car.

Also, generally speaking the shock valving has more to do with a rough ride than does the spring rate. Mikes car has what would be considered a pretty stiff spring rate, but rides sweet because the great valving on the double adjustable AFCO coilovers he's got. It's all in the combo!

[ks71z28]

One option, as Vince can appreciate is to modify a set of headers, VS building a custom set. Some headers lend themselves well to this.

Well after smashing several set of headers, trying to find better ones, and offering to help manufacturers re-design there headers for better ground clearance, we decided to take matters into our own hands! We had a set of Hooker Super Comp headers that fit pretty well, with near equal length primaries and 1.75" tubes. The aweful Hooker ceramic coating had gone to sh*t in less than 2 years,the "Hooker" badge had fallen off, and the bottoms were now a bit flat, so we had nothing to lose. We were able to section about 3/4 out of each tube to move the collector up approx 3/4". Our goal is to get the car about 1/4" lower in ride height, and gain a little more ground clearance. For now all the tubes are fit and ready to be TIG welded, but for now they are just tacked together to test fit. We will be doing a new custom stainless exhaust to snake around our new torque arm rear suspension, trying to fit a true X pipe in about 10" of space, wish me luck!

marking the tubes
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/ks71z28/524528_4027602066141_1154520524_n.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/ks71z28/media/524528_4027602066141_1154520524_n.jpg.html)

fitting everything back, and aligning the sections
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/ks71z28/photo32.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/ks71z28/media/photo32.jpg.html)

both sides tacked together
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h231/ks71z28/photo31.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/ks71z28/media/photo31.jpg.html)

[glassman]

Lookin good Keith! that' should do the trick. I scraped mine twice on the freeway doin a cool 70 on my way back from Laguna two weekends ago. Todd sent me a box (thursday i believe) so i will be playing with it as time permits over the next couple of months or a hole in the headers, whichever comes first i believe.

Ordered the rest of the roll bar from CA this week, so next week it will be "cutting sheet metal thirty" in my garage. Dry fit, then have Kyle the welder do his magic. Hopefully that will be done before T-Hill on May 3rd.

Fixed the latch.

Drove it 325 miles so far since Keith has done the front end and i must say all is well with the suspenders and steering!

Now for more power, cause baking them through 2nd gear isn't enough LOL

[Vince@Meanstreets]

One option, as Vince can appreciate is to modify a set of headers, VS building a custom set. Some headers lend themselves well to this.

Well after smashing several set of headers, trying to find better ones, and offering to help manufacturers re-design there headers for better ground clearance, we decided to take matters into our own hands! We had a set of Hooker Super Comp headers that fit pretty well, with near equal length primaries and 1.75" tubes. The aweful Hooker ceramic coating had gone to sh*t in less than 2 years,the "Hooker" badge had fallen off, and the bottoms were now a bit flat, so we had nothing to lose. We were able to section about 3/4 out of each tube to move the collector up approx 3/4". Our goal is to get the car about 1/4" lower in ride height, and gain a little more ground clearance. For now all the tubes are fit and ready to be TIG welded, but for now they are just tacked together to test fit. We will be doing a new custom stainless exhaust to snake around our new torque arm rear suspension, trying to fit a true X pipe in about 10" of space, wish me luck!

marking the tubes

fitting everything back, and aligning the sections

both sides tacked together
there you go!
Before you put them on for good, ship em out to Doug's to be put into production.
have fun tig welding 4 & 6 LOL
Lookin good Keith! that' should do the trick. I scraped mine twice on the freeway doin a cool 70 on my way back from Laguna two weekends ago. Todd sent me a box (thursday i believe) so i will be playing with it as time permits over the next couple of months or a hole in the headers, whichever comes first i believe.

Ordered the rest of the roll bar from CA this week, so next week it will be "cutting sheet metal thirty" in my garage. Dry fit, then have Kyle the welder do his magic. Hopefully that will be done before T-Hill on May 3rd.

Fixed the latch.

Drove it 325 miles so far since Keith has done the front end and i must say all is well with the suspenders and steering!

Now for more power, cause baking them through 2nd gear isn't enough LOL

need to put the "baking" energy into forward movement brother

[WSSix]

more hook = go faster :)

Glad you're enjoying the ride, Mike. Funny you should mention headers. I was just laying under mine today thinking about how I want to run the exhaust because I'm not interested in scrapping headers at 70. Making my own is still the route I intend to take. Hopefully, Todd/Holley can get the issues resolved and offer a great fitting header.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Did you guys make it to the show today?

[glassman]

Yeah, i went yesterday and today. Ran it in the autocross. Best i could muster up was a 59.04. but had a lot of fun. I have a video on my ipad, it wont upload to photobucket and i cant figure out how to load straight from the ipad.....

Also trying to get some photos up from the current set up that Keith did. Car drives fantastic.

Too funny also, my very first run on the course yesterday morning, bam, car breaks. Thought it was a fuel pump, turned out to be a bad crimp at the relay box feeding power to the pump. Whew.

Did a 61, 60, 59, 60. Was really trying to get a 58 and some change.

[glassman]

http://youtu.be/ITCzZG3Z_oA

[ks71z28]

what am I looking at? Times were 60 seconds? usually they are 30

[glassman]

If you cant see it, try it from another browser. The pros were running 52 to 54. It was the largest course pleasanton has ever had (with the goodguys)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

can you post the link to you tube? im not seeing it either.


glad you had a good time.

[GregWeld]

AS A VIDEO POSTER --- YOU'RE AN EPIC FAIL....


JUST SAYIN'







ITCzZG3Z_oA

[glassman]

Weird I see it

[glassman]

And tested it and now woila! It's gone. I'm gone on vacation with pammy and don't have a YouTube app on my phone. When I get to a hotspot I will try again

It's under "goodguys march 29" or my name mike.dublinglass

[glassman]

http://youtu.be/ITCzZG3Z_oA

[cjsgarage]

attaboy. Finally.. thanks greg, too!!!

[glassman]

Well, the car finally had a track day.
Went up to Thunderhill with Greg W and Sieg and met up with Dave, G, Ron.

What a great time.
I signed up for the school as i've never been on a track before, as a passenger or pilot. Dam it! Its about time. Getting this car "track worthy" has been quite a project. 22 years in the making (guys dont feel bad about your "delayed" projects, you know who you are).

So, said i wasn't gonna go on the track with out a rollbar, well......you know how that goes "i'm just gonna take it easy and do the school". Well after some making fun of my car in the class "Hey Bill (my instructor) can you go with Mike in the Camaro? How olds the car?, Dam thats things almost as old as me". hahaha, very funny mother fu.......r. I said "well, i've done some thingss to it" he says "like what?", so i tell him the list of a few major things, he smiles, looks at me and says "ha, were gonna have fun".....Holy crap. He has me doin a 100 down the main straight on my warm up lap, has me pass the one car in front of me, bam were gone. Turns out, i was thrown in with the wolves, hes an ex transam champion and pro and pro track instructor. Man i learned what this car can do.

Effin fun. Moved my way outa "beginner" real quick. It was a blast having the track to virtually myself during the last three sessions. Only got past twice, once was a "Busch cup car" and a new Shelby mustang. Now, this was the beginner's group.....but hey....

Headin out on friday

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/84AD728D-138A-4544-8931-E971760758DD.jpg

Friday night, good to go

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/D3D2EF60-A2B4-477D-B1FB-0B70C37B472D.jpg

A shot of the boys toys

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/A12C96F3-0946-47C4-A9AA-4F1CF834382B.jpg

I believe turn 3

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/F3CC3554-16C4-4588-82BF-5239D57CD086.jpg

And one of my favorites,

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/78324626-6397-4DDB-AA17-CFCBC353E3E5.jpg

[rickpaw]

Looks like you had a lot of fun I'm hoping to do a track day in my car one of these days.

[glassman]

Epic weekend, one of my favorites of all time. I'm hooked. Been wanting to do this my whole life and finally....dreams do come true.

Only issue i had all weekend was a broken spot weld on my hood latch and the hood kept "unlatching". So a rubber bungee under the hood around the g brace, good to go.

Ran it up to 125 ish up the front straight, 6500 rpm in fourth, then hard on the brakes and gentle smooth drift into turn one at 80 ish.....so much fun.
Great instructor, he only ran with me two outa the four sessions the school had, and said "i recommend you go up to the next group, you got this".
I felt good, confident, but not overly so. Still have great respect for these machines we use, they can hurt you in an instant. So what i did was push the machine till i felt comfortable for the both of us. Well, used all of the track, pushed the machine to its limits (tach and tires)....and she loved it.

Very very worth it.

The suspension work Keith at Custom Works did was outstanding. I am running 245's up front and 275's in the back and the car was very welll balanced. Front wasn't coming out nor was the rear coming around. I went from curb to curb in each turn as fast as possible and simply fell in Love with this sport.

I'm in trouble. Can't wait to go again.......

Thanx for checkin, Mike

[Vince@Meanstreets]

way to go mike!!! open the flood gates brother.

What are you gonna build for your wife?

[intocarss]

WAY TO GO DUDE!:king:

[Ron in SoCal]

Last few posts are epic Mike. Congrats on the successful outing!!

[Ron in SoCal]

And one of my favorites,

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/78324626-6397-4DDB-AA17-CFCBC353E3E5.jpg

Mine too :cheers:

[Track Junky]

Great meeting you out there Mike. Looking forward to the next one. :thumbsup:

[gerno]

Now I wish I was till in Sac to join you guys. Sounds like a terrific weekend for everyone. Awesome that you took the car out to beat on it. Good luck to you, you're going to get completely addicted.....

[glassman]

Looks like you had a lot of fun I'm hoping to do a track day in my car one of these days.

It took me a few years (22) you'll get there...

way to go mike!!! open the flood gates brother.

What are you gonna build for your wife?
Thanx Vince, built the wifey a 66 malibu convert, she didnt like it so i used the funds to finish this beast. She wants me to build here a "Herbie" lol



WAY TO GO DUDE!:king:
Thanx Jer!!

Last few posts are epic Mike. Congrats on the successful outing!!

THanx Ron, will see you real soon out there ruining your nice new paint!
Great meeting you out there Mike. Looking forward to the next one. :thumbsup:
Thanx G, hopefully be running alongside (or behind lol) ya soon
Now I wish I was till in Sac to join you guys. Sounds like a terrific weekend for everyone. Awesome that you took the car out to beat on it. Good luck to you, you're going to get completely addicted.....

Yeah, very much addicted. I will be in Texas at the Goodguys in Oct after the roadtrip, hopefully you and Bryan can autocross and takes shots of our 2nd gens out there....

[tubbed69]

Congrats to getting it on the track,Mike the car looks great and I am sure it was a lot of fun.

[WSSix]

Fantastic news, Mike. Glad to know the car did well and that you had a great time too.

[glassman]

Congrats to getting it on the track,Mike the car looks great and I am sure it was a lot of fun.

Fantastic news, Mike. Glad to know the car did well and that you had a great time too.

Thanx you guys. Here it is wednesday and i still cant wait to go out.

[Track Junky]

Mike, thers a couple of events that I still havent chosen from that I would like to attend. Either June 13th at Thunderhill with NCRC or June 14th at Sonoma with NASA. The June 13th event would suit me better so I'm swaying that direction right now. Let me know what you think.

[ks71z28]

I registered for the Fontana USCA event, but the F#$%ers at BFG haven't released the tires I need yet. Its always something. Are you going Mike?

[glassman]

Mike, thers a couple of events that I still havent chosen from that I would like to attend. Either June 13th at Thunderhill with NCRC or June 14th at Sonoma with NASA. The June 13th event would suit me better so I'm swaying that direction right now. Let me know what you think.

The 13th may work for me. Theres a family wedding scheduled for middle june, i'll have to check my dates to confirm.
But i checked out the NCRC site and it looks like a good fit for me :thumbsup:

[glassman]

I registered for the Fontana USCA event, but the F#$%ers at BFG haven't released the tires I need yet. Its always something. Are you going Mike?

Havent had time to check it out yet. Just got home, been gone with work and mon nite, tues nite wed nite and fri nite i'm not home. So ima gonna check it out now and see was up with timing......

[glassman]

Some progress being made.

Roll bar 90% done. Rear package shelf done. Steering wheel done (eff that took for friggen ever).

A/C going in as we type, waited 4 weeks for it, took a week off of work to hang in my garage (cause thats my fishin), and bam. Wrong part. And only got 4 weeks before the Texas road trip and then an October track event.

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/4EF0BDCD-F8D5-46AC-ACE2-D4E235E9D1EA.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/06F2E855-9C55-49E4-8336-91EA2A33A649.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/DE4C7EB6-5A8F-4627-A034-1A7DFA70F5CB.jpg

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/F3F3C2A6-98A6-438A-A6E3-D10141254CBA.jpg

Back in the day, my dad and grandfather on the left.

My wifey and I (on the right) and our best friends vaca'in in NYC

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/0FB49B38-DD7E-442C-828C-9007CAE43C49.jpg

"All I want for Christmas is a Woody and a Buzz"

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/39AD8752-D107-453D-B370-E3B6C95B7772.jpg

Back to our regularly scheduled programming:

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/007C32FB-5F49-488A-9CD6-611B1FBD4CA1_1.jpg

One fat dog "Tucker" at 10.

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/82D85540-AFD5-47E9-A5E9-17C470737E71.jpg

[glassman]

And finally, the resort "Casa de la Pamela", basically the house of Pam lol, i got the garage...
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/March2014022.jpg

[Track Junky]

Rear cage looks great Mike. Can you give us some details?

[glassman]

On the cage, so far 4 pnts, 1 3/4 material bought at chris Alston Cw, and Kyle at East Bay Metal Fab with the welding (hes a mech eng who also used to work for CA) and the door bars are waiting for me to finish the door panels so we can get as tight to the door as possible. I finished the left door today....

[Spiffav8]

Looking good!

[rickpaw]

Looking good Mike. Hope to see you in Texas.

[syborg tt]

Nice work but honestly I think I am going to hang out at the pool

[tubbed69]

Very nice job on the Rollbar and everything else you have done,car is really nice:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ks71z28]

Dude, you do sweeeet work!

[glassman]

Looking good!

Thanx Curtis, looking forward to yours getting done as well....

Looking good Mike. Hope to see you in Texas.

If all goes well, well be arriving on Thursday. We'll be parked in an area for the road haul group, but i'll be at the autocross hopefully...

Nice work but honestly I think I am going to hang out at the pool

Did you even work on your car? :peepwall: Ha, see ya at SEMA?
Very nice job on the Rollbar and everything else you have done,car is really nice:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

When you driving yours? Its looks great, hope to see ya in WV next summer...

Dude, you do sweeeet work!

HaHa verry funny mf!! Right back atcha :flashie:

[syborg tt]

Did you even work on your car? :peepwall: Ha, see ya at SEMA?

In the beginning only. I let Kenny do all the clean fun stuff.

[WSSix]

Looking good, Mike!

[glassman]

Well just made it home from a 4000 mile road trip. Yep, 4000. 2400 from Pleasanton Ca to Texas, north route, Texas to home south route. The car, well Shes hurtin for certain.

The Hooker/Holley LS i installed after SEMA last year is a complete bust. The headers were so low, we found cracks in the tubes (In Texas of course) and it ran full rich the whole way home. Not knowing this was the problem, we ran outa gas in the middle of nowhere in north west texas (at mile 260 and was getting up to 400 per tank). Had the complete good fortune of an empty flat bed come by and towed us to Amarillo. Thank goodness it was only a gas issue. My MPG went from 23 to 16. And thats a longass drive.

Gonna do a write up on the trip like i did last year. It will be in open discussion, but I wont mention Charlie, hes a handful.

Great people, great driving great time. Shi__ty weather. Two friggen hurricanes. one in Utah (roof caved in across from where we were stayin) and comeing into Fort Worth. Rained each day. But the show was better than last year.

More to follow, but i've been away for 11 daze and time to spend some time with my lovely of 28 years.

[ks71z28]

Your new mid-length Hooker headers are on the way!

Keith- Custom Works Performance

[syborg tt]

Your new mid-length Hooker headers are on the way!

Keith- Custom Works Performance

Keith - tell us more please

[gerno]

Well just made it home from a 4000 mile road trip. Yep, 4000. 2400 from Pleasanton Ca to Texas, north route, Texas to home south route. The car, well Shes hurtin for certain.

The Hooker/Holley LS i installed after SEMA last year is a complete bust. The headers were so low, we found cracks in the tubes (In Texas of course) and it ran full rich the whole way home. Not knowing this was the problem, we ran outa gas in the middle of nowhere in north west texas (at mile 260 and was getting up to 400 per tank). Had the complete good fortune of an empty flat bed come by and towed us to Amarillo. Thank goodness it was only a gas issue. My MPG went from 23 to 16. And thats a longass drive.

Gonna do a write up on the trip like i did last year. It will be in open discussion, but I wont mention Charlie, hes a handful.

Great people, great driving great time. Shi__ty weather. Two friggen hurricanes. one in Utah (roof caved in across from where we were stayin) and comeing into Fort Worth. Rained each day. But the show was better than last year.

More to follow, but i've been away for 11 daze and time to spend some time with my lovely of 28 years.

Wish I could have come up from Austin to meet up with you. Glad you made it to and from safely. Looking forward to reading all the details.

FYI - I haven't finished my install but so far I really like the fitment of my SW headers. I'll know more in a couple weeks when the install is complete and will certainly post more pics in case you are considering them.

[ks71z28]

Keith - tell us more please


They are sorta training wheels for headers, ha ha. Mike keeps tearing them off, so I got him a set that won't hang so low

[glassman]

Can't leave "well enough" alone. Well, it wasn't enough.
After talking to a few different people, I decided to take it to CustomWorksPerformance in Chico. Keith has done me right in the past, and i'm confident he'll do the same this time. He could work with my schedule and do some other things to it as well....

DSE rear. Mini tubs. Forgelines. New Exhaust. and a couple of other goodies....Wegner Motorsports accessories kit, and too come Texas Speed and Performance heads and cam.

Here are some high quality pics
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/1A1885DA-D4E5-420E-A93F-C8FEB2F85173.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/1A1885DA-D4E5-420E-A93F-C8FEB2F85173.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/4F521A77-4759-4EDF-B0ED-D669AFE7CC3C.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/4F521A77-4759-4EDF-B0ED-D669AFE7CC3C.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/035FD904-F98C-4652-A405-D092AACD73D6.png (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/035FD904-F98C-4652-A405-D092AACD73D6.png.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/CA6A3F43-D675-4A4E-B651-BE1A93D32F97.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/CA6A3F43-D675-4A4E-B651-BE1A93D32F97.jpg.html)

And i'm thinking about a beige interior, though that may just wait...
Once Keith sends me more pics i'll post those up as well....

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Your gonna love that rear suspension. In fact your gonna have to relearn how to drive the car. :thumbsup:



oh, what headers did you end up with?

[gerno]

Those changes are going to be killer. Looks like good choices on all the parts. Can't wait to see the "finished" product

[GregWeld]

Just Don't start to thinking that will move you into Green group....


Nice adds though!

[syborg tt]

Nice upgrades your car is sure changing fast

[WSSix]

Nice upgrades, Mike. Forgelines look great, too.

[glassman]

Your gonna love that rear suspension. In fact your gonna have to relearn how to drive the car. :thumbsup:



oh, what headers did you end up with?

Keith had worked out a "gonna take care of you" kinda deal with Hooker, so coated middies it will be...Hey thanx for all your input too, i really appreciate it :thumbsup:

Those changes are going to be killer. Looks like good choices on all the parts. Can't wait to see the "finished" product

Me too, but will it ever be finished? lol, parta the fun...

Just Don't start to thinking that will move you into Green group....


Nice adds though!

I thought i was "green" , seriously though, i'll earn my way there at SOME point, but in the mean time, i cant wait to get back on the track.....

Nice upgrades your car is sure changing fast

Thanx Marty, yours too.....Be riding the mountains soon YEAH baby!!!!

Nice upgrades, Mike. Forgelines look great, too.

Thanx Trey, any updates on yours?

[intocarss]

Looking good and thanks for taking up the slack from the no go BMF and FETorino builds :poke: :gitrdun:

[glassman]

Looking good and thanks for taking up the slack from the no go BMF and FETorino builds :poke: :gitrdun:

I dunno Jer, maybe they have good daily drivers, Dave wth? Rob, anybody outhere?

Maybe they got tired of "pro-touring" and went "pro-snoring" hahahaha:poke: X2

[badazz81z28]

Headers are a challenge on the Sec Gen, I'm not sure why someone has just not yet copied a set of Detroit Speeds...The ground clearance is beyond better than any LT headers out there for the LS 70-81 Camaro.

I need to get my tubs and Q-link installed!!

[badazz81z28]

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_0664.jpg


http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_0665.jpg

[syborg tt]

Thanx Marty, yours too.....Be riding the mountains soon YEAH baby!!!!

I've been off the bike for a week and it's killing me. Seems hitting your head on a tree isn't necessarily a good thing. Hopefully I will get back on the bike this weekend.

[glassman]

I've been off the bike for a week and it's killing me. Seems hitting your head on a tree isn't necessarily a good thing. Hopefully I will get back on the bike this weekend.

Umm, news flash, the trees will win every time. Same with concrete....Why do we do this to ourselves?

[glassman]

Whose headers are these? Dse's? man, what a great fit, the only others i know of with that great a fit on our cars is Stainless works...My Dynatech's fit good, but they coulda gone up an inch more, plus the collecter hit on sh!t...But those look fantastic...


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[waynieZ]

Very Nice!

[badazz81z28]

Whose headers are these? Dse's? man, what a great fit, the only others i know of with that great a fit on our cars is Stainless works...My Dynatech's fit good, but they coulda gone up an inch more, plus the collecter hit on sh!t...But those look fantastic...]


Yes, Detroit Speed! I have Dynatechs on the other Camaro and the do fit well. I was really unhappy with how low they set, but man easiest set of headers I have ever installed.

[WSSix]

Those DSE headers do fit nicely. I hope I'm able to make mine fit as nicely.

No updates on my car really, Mike. I've got an alignment coming up that I need to do. I did just get my Pypes system in and a new rear end to start building. Planning on either 3.90s or 4.10s and a Trutrack dif I believe. Plan to order my header parts soon, too. So, lots of plans and ideas but no really progress.

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/6BA44D24-724B-4665-9BC2-B9701C5D9D2C.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/6BA44D24-724B-4665-9BC2-B9701C5D9D2C.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/9967EF3B-B96D-4503-8FDF-6022492D5336.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/9967EF3B-B96D-4503-8FDF-6022492D5336.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/D05DCAF5-FB40-4A5E-A020-6B327DCCB8DF.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/D05DCAF5-FB40-4A5E-A020-6B327DCCB8DF.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/98C8FBB4-13DA-47EA-B7CF-AA82369FD026.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/98C8FBB4-13DA-47EA-B7CF-AA82369FD026.jpg.html)

And the seat, from this

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/589577F1-A292-4AD1-9802-0DFD6DA67DC0.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/589577F1-A292-4AD1-9802-0DFD6DA67DC0.jpg.html)

to this

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/CE068F61-D725-4B60-86B6-9EFD8A676AA2.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/CE068F61-D725-4B60-86B6-9EFD8A676AA2.jpg.html)

And the middies clearance now:
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/BD8B114C-1B14-4D97-A694-E3C3E3A4B4CB.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/BD8B114C-1B14-4D97-A694-E3C3E3A4B4CB.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/D2B8AE26-E2D7-437C-9E19-47D7F6D1A5AB.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/D2B8AE26-E2D7-437C-9E19-47D7F6D1A5AB.jpg.html)

So, progress at Custom Works Performance....Keith is real good to work with. On time On budget (i guess experience counts huh?:cheers:

Hopefully rear end in next week and one day closer to seat time

[intocarss]

:y0!: Are you pointing at a spider?? Cuz they will live down there :eek:

[Rick D]

Nice to see someone making progress on their car :D looks great Mike!! I worked on mine yesterday for a few hours.

[fleet]

Quite the 'adventure' on that lil road trip, huh Mike?

That'll teach you to try to escape from Cali.

lol

Seriously, congrats on the updates. :thumbsup:

[glassman]

:y0!: Are you pointing at a spider?? Cuz they will live down there :eek:

I think he's pointing at a buger he just flicked and it stuct to the exhaust, not sure exactly....

Nice to see someone making progress on their car :D looks great Mike!! I worked on mine yesterday for a few hours.

I like watching yours come together Rick, good luck and a progress filled year for ya bud!!!

Quite the 'adventure' on that lil road trip, huh Mike?

That'll teach you to try to escape from Cali.

lol

Seriously, congrats on the updates. :thumbsup:

Thanx Skip, yeah 4100 miles on this one trip, the exhaust was bad from Hooker from the get-go, i shouldn't have "let it go"...cause now i have a weird wiring issue with my O2 sensors (causing a full rich scenerio) and i thought it was the wearing out of the headers from being too low, but it appears i hit something and tore some of the wiring loose, not sure....but after driving it 4100 miles on this trip, after about two or three dayz, i just wanted to drive it again....i guess thats a good thing. :thumbsup:

[WSSix]

Looking good, Mike. Glad this round of mods is moving along nicely for you.

[tubbed69]

Looks like good progress Mike,your continuing to make a nice car a whole lot nicer:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Looks good guys,

Mike, your gonna love that rear set up.

[glassman]

Looking good, Mike. Glad this round of mods is moving along nicely for you.

Thanx Trey, cant wait

Looks like good progress Mike,your continuing to make a nice car a whole lot nicer:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

thanx, i just cant get enough

Looks good guys,

Mike, your gonna love that rear set up.

Yeah, i like a nice rear :whistling:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanx Trey, cant wait



thanx, i just cant get enough



Yeah, i like a nice rear :whistling:

haaa i'll be around tomorrow and saturday.....do either of those work?

[grendel]

Looking good man.

[glassman]

haaa i'll be around tomorrow and saturday.....do either of those work?

not sure yet for tomorrow. Saturdaze out. You workin tomorrow, or just meeting me there? Now that i think about it, tomorrow works for me, but dont j come in to meet me there unless you need it cause i dont mind holding on to it (if its a day off kinda thing).... Lemme know,,,,,

[glassman]

Looking good man.

Thanx, yours is awesome!!!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

not sure yet for tomorrow. Saturdaze out. You workin tomorrow, or just meeting me there? Now that i think about it, tomorrow works for me, but dont j come in to meet me there unless you need it cause i dont mind holding on to it (if its a day off kinda thing).... Lemme know,,,,,

tomorrow is good for me....

[ks71z28]

I was going to ask if you got the Dana 60 yet!

[intocarss]

:snapout: IS IT DONE YET??? :hello:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I was going to ask if you got the Dana 60 yet!

Yaaaa thanks buddy,already started tearing it apart.

Thanks again Mike.

He saved me a trip up to beat you up on your shop!! :bang:

I do want to come up and check on your link progress.

[ks71z28]

Yaaaa thanks buddy,already started tearing it apart.

Thanks again Mike.

He saved me a trip up to beat you up on your shop!! :bang:

I do want to come up and check on your link progress.

As of right now, I'm likely going to leave the torque arm in place, there is no way I can get my car and Mike's car finished. If I miss the only event close to us, that would be stupid. I missed Laguna last year the same way. You're welcome up any time. In March I will get back on the 3 link again. I want the time to get it all done the best way possible, in the mean time bills got to get paid!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

As of right now, I'm likely going to leave the torque arm in place, there is no way I can get my car and Mike's car finished. If I miss the only event close to us, that would be stupid. I missed Laguna last year the same way. You're welcome up any time. In March I will get back on the 3 link again. I want the time to get it all done the best way possible, in the mean time bills got to get paid!

Your telling me.... I've been prepping for tax season which perfectly aligns with my insurance and my slow season...which lasts about 3 weeks down here LOL.

Yeah, let's me know. I'd like to get some hard data between the two.

Man, how long does it take to put a quad link in? J/k

[ks71z28]

Your telling me.... I've been prepping for tax season which perfectly aligns with my insurance and my slow season...which lasts about 3 weeks down here LOL.

Yeah, let's me know. I'd like to get some hard data between the two.

Man, how long does it take to put a quad link in? J/k

40 hours, then you need to modify EVERYTHING around it!

[glassman]

Getting closer.....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/D8E5B267-498C-4BE5-BAC5-44E137C33385.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/D8E5B267-498C-4BE5-BAC5-44E137C33385.jpg.html)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

When are you going up to get it?

[Rick D]

Nice Mike, did your wheels come in yet??

[gerno]

Looking good. Should be ready in plenty of time for spring/summer track days.

[ks71z28]

All that is left is re-plumbing rear brake lines, fuel lines, routing some wiring, sorting out some parking brake cables, modifying his subframe connectors, installing fuel tank. Will be done really soon:mock:

[intocarss]

Looking good!!

[glassman]

Nice Mike, did your wheels come in yet??

Email from Kim today was there near or in powder. So soon....