1970 Camaro SS/RS "dis-traction"

[glassman]

Thanx you guys. Appreciate the comments. Can't wait to drive it....

Vince, I'll let you know when i plan on going up, probably 3-5 days notice....

[Flash68]

Cool, Mike... I missed the post where you sent it up Chico. Looks good!

[Ron in SoCal]

Great progress Mike! Seeya out there :)

[GregWeld]

Put some Hoosiers and this thing and run with some confidence! Looks good Mike.

[glassman]

Thanx you guys. Dave you coming up? Greg, not sure putting Hoosiers on my hubs would be "ABRS" (approved by Ron Sutton)LOL, i'm shopping for tires right now for the Forgelines that'll be here soon. I shopped many of rims, Forgeline, Budniks, Formula 43, CCW and the Forgeline GZ3's are the exact look I want.

I may end up going Falken Azensis, or BFG KDW"s or Supersports but my sizes are limited....

[GregWeld]

You know Mike -- When Sutton first brought the loading of these hubs and bearings up --- I was kinda going back to when Bill Howell was going on about safety. Yes - BH is correct and I agree with him... and of course so is Sutton... and while a guy might run for many many sessions without issues. I can sure tell you that I feel one hell of a lot better with the safety issues covered. I DO NOT want to go into turn 1 at Thill and have a suspension parts failure!

[Flash68]

Thanx you guys. Dave you coming up? Greg, not sure putting Hoosiers on my hubs would be "ABRS" (approved by Ron Sutton)LOL, i'm shopping for tires right now for the Forgelines that'll be here soon. I shopped many of rims, Forgeline, Budniks, Formula 43, CCW and the Forgeline GZ3's are the exact look I want.

I may end up going Falken Azensis, or BFG KDW"s or Supersports but my sizes are limited....

I am guessing I will make an appearance one of the days if I can get away.

What widths Forgelines did you order?

Assuming you can stuff 335 if you want with your mini tub?

Remind me - what front sub you have?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

I am guessing I will make an appearance one of the days if I can get away.

What widths Forgelines did you order?

Assuming you can stuff 335 if you want with your mini tub?

Remind me - what front sub you have?

stock frame with Keith's coilover conversion, stiffy bar and Global West arms.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=41800&page=7

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Thanx you guys. Dave you coming up? Greg, not sure putting Hoosiers on my hubs would be "ABRS" (approved by Ron Sutton)LOL, i'm shopping for tires right now for the Forgelines that'll be here soon. I shopped many of rims, Forgeline, Budniks, Formula 43, CCW and the Forgeline GZ3's are the exact look I want.

I may end up going Falken Azensis, or BFG KDW"s or Supersports but my sizes are limited....

someone makes a larger bearing hubs for these spindles, we ran them Solo I cars back in the day. I can't see to remember who.


edit: looks like you have the billet Baer hub.

[WSSix]

are the factory hubs and bearings not strong enough for sticky tires?

[Vince@Meanstreets]

are the factory hubs and bearings not strong enough for sticky tires?

I personally havent seen any problems with the 2nd gen stuff but frequent servicing should be part of the maintenence plan for a heavily tracked car.

[GregWeld]

are the factory hubs and bearings not strong enough for sticky tires?




When Ron Sutton does the math.... NO is the right answer to that question for my 1965 Mustang. While many many guys have run for years on the stock sized spindle and bearing...you think about the design spec for a 2 ply Nylon tire for a street car in 1965.... Now put 600 hp motor and super grippy Hoosiers.. crank the alignment specs for max grip... and dive into turn 1 at Thunderhill or similar and a buck thirty... Now let's not forget the heat cycles put into the minuscule little bearing with huge brakes and the heat they generate at these track events....

Well... you get the picture.


For me personally - I was upgrading everything else - so why wouldn't I go ahead and upgrade parts like this as well.

[rickpaw]

are the factory hubs and bearings not strong enough for sticky tires?

When Ron Sutton does the math.... NO is the right answer to that question for my 1965 Mustang. While many many guys have run for years on the stock sized spindle and bearing...you think about the design spec for a 2 ply Nylon tire for a street car in 1965.... Now put 600 hp motor and super grippy Hoosiers.. crank the alignment specs for max grip... and dive into turn 1 at Thunderhill or similar and a buck thirty... Now let's not forget the heat cycles put into the minuscule little bearing with huge brakes and the heat they generate at these track events....

Well... you get the picture.



About 3 months ago, I helped a friend replace the front wheel bearing on his 2003 Lexus ES sedan. The front wheel bearing on that Lexus is TWICE the size of the stock bearings on my Firebird, on a car that will never see a track. That made me changed my mind and saved up for a set of ATS spindles. I figured if the wheel hub set up is good on a ZR1, it's good for my use.

Back on topic, awesome progress Mike. What's next? Brake upgrades?

[glassman]

You know Mike -- When Sutton first brought the loading of these hubs and bearings up --- I was kinda going back to when Bill Howell was going on about safety. Yes - BH is correct and I agree with him... and of course so is Sutton... and while a guy might run for many many sessions without issues. I can sure tell you that I feel one hell of a lot better with the safety issues covered. I DO NOT want to go into turn 1 at Thill and have a suspension parts failure!

So last year, when I went with your Norcal Shelby group, the first thing i did was go up to turn 1 to check it out. And yes, the amount of energy going by at a buck thirty into turn one, i was like "what in the heck am i getting into?". But then after doing a few times at 90 (through the turn) it was funn. But, all that energy gets transfered into the spindles/hubs so ya...ya dont wanna have a failure there....

I've got Baer brakes (just not the nineteen piston Kalawazzooo latest and greatest) and Baer spindles and hubs, good and ok for tracking but not "race" all the time approved....I checked with the doctor on this one in the safety thread...

[glassman]

And while were on the subject of "sticktion", i had a helluva time finding tires 315/30R18's are like panning for gold. Had to order them, 3-5 days to get, went with the Falcon Azenis's 615k's.....275'/35r18 up front

[GregWeld]

Just FYI -- Charley has 50 times the laps (or more) than I have -- and in many different cars... and generally runs faster laps than I have... and his Mustang uses the stock spindle and bearing.

My only take away from that is that it's no big loss to lose him.... Er.... I mean to say -- it's no big loss to him if he crashes his half million dollar race cars... But Gwen would make me quit if I stacked one of mine up real bad (like totaling it or rolling it). Shirley would urge Charley to go faster. LOL

[Flash68]

And while were on the subject of "sticktion", i had a helluva time finding tires 315/30R18's are like panning for gold. Had to order them, 3-5 days to get, went with the Falcon Azenis's 615k's.....275'/35r18 up front

Nice choice on tires. You could do a lot worse than a 275/315 stagger.

I guess the Rivals are back ordered (again) in the 315 and 335 sizes.

[ks71z28]

I personally have about 10 years and 25 track days, and a 100 or more autocrosses. I have stock style hubs with Set6 and Set34 bearings. Every season they come apart and get inspected, but haven't seen anything to make me ever consider replacing them. As far as the ATS and the Corvette bearing, they suck! Corvette guys spend big bucks to replace their hubs on track day cars. The ZR1 bearing is expensive, and is a bit better. Keep in mind also that muscle cars like ours tend to have a lot off positive offset on the wheels, the Corvette has a lot of negative offset. When you use this hub on a muscle car it buts a lot more strain on the hub. A factory hub/spindle on a 2nd gen has the bearings spaced far apart to hold the loads. I also run R compound tires. On a 2nd gen there is no need to change the spindle. We have had failures on customers ATS spindle hubs, and we actually had one set where the steel inserts on the ball joint taper sleeve come out of the spindle with the ball joint. A set of tall upper ball joints and the 2nd gen spindle are a good combo. Also use Timken or SKF bearings and a good synthetic grease. So know you know my secrets! and my 2c

[glassman]

Some pics from today's run up the hill in Livermore. Cars running really really good right now.

I fried my O2's on the Texas road trip, too much water on that last day, yeah i drove it thru "doppler red". So when you look at doppler radar, and see red, its basically a lake. Unless you have an amphicar with an LS, dont do it....

Anyways, the DSE rear is soo far soo good. I'd really like to autocross it or track it before the OUSCI tryout in T-hill. So right now i just drive, drive, drive....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/22445732-63D4-49E9-AD12-6E6D67610AA4.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/7B99FDF7-EB46-4055-85E6-E93F0D1EC1C3.jpg

Some rear detail pics and wheel / tire pics to come....

[gerno]

Car looks awesome.

[rickpaw]

Car is looking good Mike. :thumbsup:

[ks71z28]

Now check every nut and bolt I put on the car! Don't forget to register ASAP!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Yep, nut and bolt when you get home.

Looks good guys. Keith, after installing and driving the car, what do you think of the set up?

[carbuff]

:thumbsup: Looks great!

[waynieZ]

Sweet Ride!

[Ron in SoCal]

Lookin' good Mikey. :thumbsup:

[MattO]

Looking good sir! Looking forward to seeing you in a couple weeks.

[intocarss]

Car looks awesome. I second that CONGRATS Mike!

[fleet]

Mike,

Looks great. :thumbsup:

But, for almost the same money ya could probably have a FErd like this.

(Remember to ask for the jackstands).


:lol:

[Panteracer]

Mike you will get plenty of runs at optima
if it is like things in the past. But I hear you
trying to get used to all the changes
Car looks great. I think I have been on that road

See you in two weeks

Bob

[MattO]

Mike, following along with this is getting expensive. Reading some first hand accounts of T-hill from you made me purchase a new seat for the truck.

[Justin@EntropyRad]

Looked great before, and awesome now!

[intocarss]

Mike,

Looks great. :thumbsup:

But, for almost the same money ya could probably have a FErd like this.

(Remember to ask for the jackstands).


:lol: I thought he drove it, until i saw the trailer in the pic :waveflag:

[glassman]

Car looks awesome.

Thanx Steve, looking forward to seeing yours done as well

Car is looking good Mike. :thumbsup:

thanx!!

Now check every nut and bolt I put on the car! Don't forget to register ASAP!

Whatever....:action-smiley-027:

:thumbsup: Looks great!

Thanx Bryan, their a work in progress, aren't they?

Sweet Ride!

Lookin' good Mikey. :thumbsup:

thanx you guys...

Looking good sir! Looking forward to seeing you in a couple weeks.

Yeah, it'll be fun up there...you'll be the only 5 banger out there, sweet!!

I second that CONGRATS Mike!

thanx Jer

Mike,

Looks great. :thumbsup:

But, for almost the same money ya could probably have a FErd like this.

(Remember to ask for the jackstands).


:lol:

What? money?? thanx Skipper....

Mike you will get plenty of runs at optima
if it is like things in the past. But I hear you
trying to get used to all the changes
Car looks great. I think I have been on that road

See you in two weeks

Bob

Looking forward to hearing your beast...

Looked great before, and awesome now!

thanx Justin, its nice to have you on board....

[glassman]

Yep, nut and bolt when you get home.

Looks good guys. Keith, after installing and driving the car, what do you think of the set up?

Yeah, im heading to Redwood City Tuesday, was thinking of swinging it by, but i'll need my truck for this trip.....hope to see ya soon....thanx

[intocarss]

:y0!:

Is that a SS BB Chevelle cowl with the flap that opens fabbed into your hood?? If so that's bad ass, I've never seen one on a Cammy

[glassman]

:y0!:

Is that a SS BB Chevelle cowl with the flap that opens fabbed into your hood?? If so that's bad ass, I've never seen one on a Cammy

Yeah, it is, the guy i got the car from in '90 took an actual chevelle cowl hood and grafted it onto the camaro hood, didnt come out too well. So my body guy buddy did it over on a different hood and it came out ok, should of been a little farther back and some minor cracking is starting too appear. So, with the LS, i've been trying to figure out how to make the vent work, but its now taking a back seat as i got a deal on an Anvil partial carbon hood. Plus, i'm pretty sure as nice as this hood is, its cursed. Iv'e had nothing but troubles with this hood, the oem replacement hinges, the aftermarket hinges, the latch...its all sh....t. So....the show goes on....

[WSSix]

Congrats on getting the car back, Mike! Have fun driving it!

[glassman]

Congrats on getting the car back, Mike! Have fun driving it!

Thanx Trey, good luck on the house huntin. I mean having these cars are nice and stuff, but its not a great place to drop a load...lol (havin your priorities in the right place:thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Sorry I missed this. I was in and out of te shop all day and when I was there I had the welders going.

[WSSix]

Thanks, Mike! You're absolutely correct. I planned ahead and made sure my house money was separate from my car fund. So, I can keep building my car while also finding and eventually buying a house. It's the time element I can't save away for future use.

[glassman]

What a mistake by putting myself in front of this group, I haven't even tried the new tires/rims & suspension. Pushed the car and had a "caliper piston" stick i think, created a wobble on my second lap, was about to come in and the problem went away. Finally, fourth session on the track and i started feeling the car a little better and the p/plate went south.
I'm taking the car to MaierInc to have him adjust the spring/double adjustable AFCO's Customworks put on (keith couldn't test drive it as my tune/engine was barely running).
The car feels stiff when driving around (which is fine). A little slippery on the autocross course. And a "little floaty" on the freeway at 70-90 (kinda like an old American sedan travlin north of 80mph).

I dont even know where to start with a baseline. Had the same problem with my off road dirt bike, knew what its like to drive/ride a bike well set up, just dont know how to set up or even where to begin.

One of the main reasons i choose the DSE rear assembly is their stuff is incredibly well made for the track (and I wanted the "look" of wider tires in the back, so i knew minitubs where in my future). So now learning it is a whole new experience. I did much better when the car was on Leaf's.

Not 100% happy with the Forgelines (the look i was trying to acheive). I spent three years looking and shopping (and yes i saved up the extra scratch for the exact rim i wanted as there are other good options on the market) and the front rim just doesnt look right. I finally figured out the "step lip" on my rim isn't made for this much offset. So i'm going to send them back to Forgeline after OPTIMA Vegas & Norcal Shelby run (if i dont break in vegas) and have them rehooped and put a 295 under the front!! Car does push a little and with the weight distribution of 52/48 and 3501 lbs i figure a little more tire would be worth it while trying to get the "Look" of the rim right.

Put a new flywheel/pplate/clutch from an LS7 in there. Did the gguys autocross two weekends ago and trying to get more saddle time in it. Still fun to drive and puts a smile on my face.

Heads, cam, Wegner accessories kit (have), carbon hood (have) and a partial respray comeing for May....A hotrods work is never done...

thats all for now from the "dis-traction" mobile....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/Thunderhill%20OUSCI%20feb%2028%202015%20088.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/Thunderhill%20OUSCI%20feb%2028%202015%20088.jpg.ht ml)

[gerno]

Mike - Have you test fitted the 295 on the car? It's a pretty tight fit due to the height. I also don't think it looks as good as a 275 or 315 up front due to it looking taller than the back. I bring it up because these were all thoughts I had when trying to pick out the right wheel/tire for my car.....It's really painful.

I think the car looks sharp as is but of course all that matters is your opinion since it's your ride.

[carbuff]

I second what Steve said about the 295's. Which ones are you going to use?

And what are you wheel specs? Curious how they compare to mine.

I can sympathize with the struggles, but love that you're keeping at it! You better get it sorted out before October so you can make the trek to Texas again!!! :)

[glassman]

Mike - Have you test fitted the 295 on the car? It's a pretty tight fit due to the height. I also don't think it looks as good as a 275 or 315 up front due to it looking taller than the back. I bring it up because these were all thoughts I had when trying to pick out the right wheel/tire for my car.....It's really painful.

I think the car looks sharp as is but of course all that matters is your opinion since it's your ride.

I'll have to do some inner fender cutting and roll the lip, the rim just doesn't look right due to the "step" of the forgeline. I'll post some close up pics later. I was talking to a guy with a 2nd gen and he said no prob with the 295. Keith and Sean from Customworks are both running 285's with a better fit. I can come out a 1/2" and go in a 1/2", so far the only rubbing i have is at full lock it rubs the Hotchkis sway bar. Its both the push and the looks getting me to do this. But the car will be partially takin apart again in May...

[glassman]

I second what Steve said about the 295's. Which ones are you going to use?

And what are you wheel specs? Curious how they compare to mine.

I can sympathize with the struggles, but love that you're keeping at it! You better get it sorted out before October so you can make the trek to Texas again!!! :)

Probably stay with the Falkin's as it looks to be the brand of performance and availibility for us pro-touring folks. I had seen the DetroitSpeed instagram and it looks like BFG found/made something to market to us....They (BFG) need to market a name we can remember instead of the "Comp h20 ss-recessed rubber-kdw/rival/will we be around next year" tire....

[carbuff]

Mike,

What's the current width on your front wheels? I didn't find it during a quick thread search...

[WSSix]

glad you're having fun with the car, Mike! Going to be sad seeing the cowl hood go away. I thought that was a really great addition. Have you looked into any more aero changes to keep the front from floating at highway speeds?

[Flash68]

They (BFG) need to market a name we can remember instead of the "Comp h20 ss-recessed rubber-kdw/rival/will we be around next year" tire....

You must mean the hard-to-remember "Rival S" ? :sieg:

[glassman]

You must mean the hard-to-remember "Rival S" ? :sieg:

do you mean "hard to remember" or "hard to get" lol...i had read they stopped production on those. True?

[glassman]

glad you're having fun with the car, Mike! Going to be sad seeing the cowl hood go away. I thought that was a really great addition. Have you looked into any more aero changes to keep the front from floating at highway speeds?

I think my package just needs fine tuning of which i have zero experience setting up a suspension. I'm not sure what speed the aero would come in at (t-hill, turn 1 at 90ish for me, would love to compare it to something else)....

Yeah, as much as i love that cowl hood, it has been my nemesis...

[Flash68]

do you mean "hard to remember" or "hard to get" lol...i had read they stopped production on those. True?

I just took delivery of a set of the new Rival S's yesterday. Can't wait to try 'em. :cheers:

[Panteracer]

Mike
Looks like you are having fun
I am also learning how to tune these cars
for handling. Trial and error and some help from
others. Took me a couple years to figure out the Pantera
and I now think I could make that better

Seems like a little more chin on the front spoiler
works at higher speeds. Did one on the bird recently
But not ready to track that car yet worked great on my
Pantera. Look at Mary Pozzis car. I did tap plastics
for both cars.

Might see you at thunderhill in a few weeks

Bob

[Flash68]

Mike
Looks like you are having fun
I am also learning how to tune these cars
for handling. Trial and error and some help from
others. Took me a couple years to figure out the Pantera
and I now think I could make that better

Seems like a little more chin on the front spoiler
works at higher speeds. Did one on the bird recently
But not ready to track that car yet worked great on my
Pantera. Look at Mary Pozzis car. I did tap plastics
for both cars.

Might see you at thunderhill in a few weeks

Bob

Mary's spoiler is killer. If I had a 2nd gen I would definitely run one of those. Randy at D&Z will sell you it. He made it.

[WSSix]

90 is more than fast enough for aero to work, Mike. I originally asked because my car doesn't get light at highway speeds. However, the aero on the TA's is known to work in stock form compared to the other models. The later TA's and eventually Z's had the best factory aero. It can all be improved upon though. I'd keep it in mind as you progress. I can imagine the front end getting light on the highway is not an enjoyable feeling.

I love this car. I might do a similar spoiler just because it looks so wicked.

http://forumbilder.se/images/d642011101450567e.jpg

[MtotheIKEo]

Just read this entire thread throughout the day. Love your car and the step by step build.

[Flash68]

I love this car. I might do a similar spoiler just because it looks so wicked.

http://forumbilder.se/images/d642011101450567e.jpg

That's a great lookin piece.

[Panteracer]

Protouring fbody site has a few videos of the Firebird
Hillclimbing

Bob

[glassman]

Mary's spoiler is killer. If I had a 2nd gen I would definitely run one of those. Randy at D&Z will sell you it. He made it.

90 is more than fast enough for aero to work, Mike. I originally asked because my car doesn't get light at highway speeds. However, the aero on the TA's is known to work in stock form compared to the other models. The later TA's and eventually Z's had the best factory aero. It can all be improved upon though. I'd keep it in mind as you progress. I can imagine the front end getting light on the highway is not an enjoyable feeling.

I love this car. I might do a similar spoiler just because it looks so wicked.


Definitely got my eyes and ears on. I'd love to see that piece on my car with an inlet for air/engine, and r&l brake ducting, three inlets total. Very doable. Hmmmmm....

got an appointment at maierinc tomorrow for help on tuning the suspension. At least get me a base setup...

[glassman]

Just read this entire thread throughout the day. Love your car and the step by step build.

Thanx. Its super fun to drive, and get slideways :whistling:

[fleet]

Gettin light in the front end Mike? Forget all that messin around with aerodynamics...and btw, get the iron head version.

:whenitsdone:

[glassman]

I just think the spring rate may be to soft. (Maier confirmed that for the rears anyways)

I like your thinkin Skip!! When all else fails, throw more power at it!!!

[fleet]

I like your thinkin Skip!! When all else fails, throw more power at it!!!

Actually Mike I meant to infer adding the weight of a boat anchor iron 572 would solve your floating feeling. :D

[WSSix]

What's your rear spring rate, Mike?

[Panteracer]

Then after you tweak the rear spring
You will have to adjust the front
I'm learning one end effects the other
Mine dives too much so more compression
up front and more rebound out back to keep
to keep the back from lifting and the front
from diving. Then try to zero in

It will take time but once we get there it will
Be worth it. Maier will get you pointed in the right direction

Bob

[glassman]

Not sure Trey, never got specs from anyone. So i'ma starting from scratch. Maier is weighing the car and getting some baselines

[efs69]

Hey Mike!

Getting lots of stuff worked out. Nice! Getting the suspension dialed in is like a black art. I've messed with mine a lot and still don't have a firm grasp on it. With Maiers help you'll be in range but I found what works on one track or autox doesn't always work on another. Once I get my happy medium I will leave it alone and get my driving together.

Hope you are in the shop when he does this that way you can get a hands on lesson.

Good luck in Vegas!

Efrain

[glassman]

Then after you tweak the rear spring
You will have to adjust the front
I'm learning one end effects the other
Mine dives too much so more compression
up front and more rebound out back to keep
to keep the back from lifting and the front
from diving. Then try to zero in

It will take time but once we get there it will
Be worth it. Maier will get you pointed in the right direction

Bob


Thanx bob, yeah, no doubt we'll have a good starting point, already have a good starting point. I dont know how to adjust or even where to begin. Keith got the car pretty well dialed (not being able to drive it) and we'll go from there...

[glassman]

Hey Mike!

Getting lots of stuff worked out. Nice! Getting the suspension dialed in is like a black art. I've messed with mine a lot and still don't have a firm grasp on it. With Maiers help you'll be in range but I found what works on one track or autox doesn't always work on another. Once I get my happy medium I will leave it alone and get my driving together.

Hope you are in the shop when he does this that way you can get a hands on lesson.

Good luck in Vegas!

Efrain


Exactly and exactly. I thought the front was dialed pretty well and then i "HAD" to go and mini tub it, well, she has a much nicer "rear" now....so let the tuning begin (and learning, my brains already on fire from reading Suttons thread)

[glassman]

Well, this suspensions things kicking my a$$!!!. I came in last in the GTV class on the road course this weekend at the optima.
Finished 8 of 16 oa in the GTV class, i was hopin for a little better, but the road course i "thought" was my strong point ended up being my weakest.

Lots to figure out regarding the suspension. And now the learning curve begins.
"your not a thinker Ricky Bobby, your a driver!!" comes too mind haha

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/242D0BDD-D19E-40C9-8125-5BA95BABB16B.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/242D0BDD-D19E-40C9-8125-5BA95BABB16B.jpg.html)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

you know you gotta kinda tune those suspensions right? Its not like a leafs where you toss em on and yell giddy up. :thumbsup: nice job on the RC!!

[GregWeld]

Biggest part in the car worth working on ..... the driver.

[Flash68]

Biggest part in the car worth working on ..... the driver.

Glassman... talk to Bad Ron Myers... he will help you plan out many changes to the car before your next event! :D

[Matt@BOS]

Well, this suspensions things kicking my a$$!!!. I came in last in the GTV class on the road course this weekend at the optima.
Finished 8 of 16 oa in the GTV class, i was hopin for a little better, but the road course i "thought" was my strong point ended up being my weakest.

Lots to figure out regarding the suspension. And now the learning curve begins.
"your not a thinker Ricky Bobby, your a driver!!" comes too mind haha

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/242D0BDD-D19E-40C9-8125-5BA95BABB16B.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/242D0BDD-D19E-40C9-8125-5BA95BABB16B.jpg.html)

Mike you did really well out there for one of your first events! LVMS is a bit of a technical track that requires a little bit of everything. You need to be able to brake hard, rotate through all the 180s and be able to pick up the throttle early on corner exit, and have horsepower and driver ability to make it all come together.

With DSE suspension front and rear, I would want to be in the ballpark of 600/400 fr to rr, if you are using DSE's standard anti roll bars. I would get a set of 400lb rear springs from Maier, and let that be your first tuning modification. After an autocross day with that setup, then change the front to 600 or 650 if you aren't happy. Sometimes on the DSE subframes more front spring rate or a stiffer front sway bar will help make the car easier feeling to drive, and a bit faster for the driver on an autocross. Those rates will probably still give you something that is relatively easy to drive, which (in my opinion) is a good place to start until you have a ton of seat time.

[Flash68]

Mike you did really well out there for one of your first events! LVMS is a bit of a technical track that requires a little bit of everything. You need to be able to brake hard, rotate through all the 180s and be able to pick up the throttle early on corner exit, and have horsepower and driver ability to make it all come together.

With DSE suspension front and rear, I would want to be in the ballpark of 600/400 fr to rr, if you are using DSE's standard anti roll bars. I would get a set of 400lb rear springs from Maier, and let that be your first tuning modification. After an autocross day with that setup, then change the front to 600 or 650 if you aren't happy. Sometimes on the DSE subframes more front spring rate or a stiffer front sway bar will help make the car easier feeling to drive, and a bit faster for the driver on an autocross. Those rates will probably still give you something that is relatively easy to drive, which (in my opinion) is a good place to start until you have a ton of seat time.

I assume Ron concurs or you wouldn't have posted this. :peepwall:

[Matt@BOS]

I assume Ron concurs or you wouldn't have posted this. :peepwall:

Nah, rather than change springs Ron just bought a C5 Z06.
Actually, if I remember right, we put 450s in the back of his car. He did say it was easier to drive than the other setup that someone gave as a baseline.

[rustomatic]

I didn't know you had a thread here, Mike . . . what somebody said above. You just need to wheel the crap out of this thing and learn what it does and when (Skyline? My 'hood?). If all else fails, you'll always be the guy who passed me on my first track day . . .

Don't feel so bad about (potentially overreacting to) the adjustment thing. Because my Falcon seems to like corner diving, and because I'm too stupid/diverted (presently) to deal with my leaf spring situation (too light), I've decided to just rip the whole chassis out from under thing thing . . .

I've got an LS motor with a 6-speed auto sitting in front of my hot water heater now, partly because I'm just old now, but mostly just because I lack sufficient impulse control . . .

[Chad-1stGen]

Hey Mike,

It was nice meeting you this past weekend. I hope to see you at other events.

[Ron in SoCal]

Nah, rather than change springs Ron just bought a C5 Z06.
Actually, if I remember right, we put 450s in the back of his car. He did say it was easier to drive than the other setup that someone gave as a baseline.

Yep all true. We also added more front spring, better tires and a decent baseline shock adjustment. Once that happened it became a different car. Now the mantra is seat time and tire pressures.

Hang in there Mike. You'll get there! And congrats on making it out to Vegas!

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

BTW --- Don't take my "fix the driver" comment as negative... it's just a fact. Unless you're car is just HORRIBLE... which it's probably not... Just go out and have fun - Screw "where you finished" or getting caught up in lap times. Go out - have fun - see if you can improve with what you got... and then as your brain catches up to the car - you'll be able to come in and say "on corner entry the right front dives" or it "porpoises" or "at corner exit it steps out" or something else..... and THEN someone with KNOWLEDGE (not the idiot next to you) can say 'try this'. Now you'll go out and pay attention to what happened with that change....

Right now -- my guess (I'm the idiot next to you) - is that you're just trying to survive the sessions -- and there's very little concentration on how the car is actually handling...

It's like Charlie used to ask me when I'd come in -- "what's your oil temp"? And I'd look at him like a deer in a headlight and say "I don't know". Once I got some seat time and things slowed down a bit == THEN I started paying attention to all these little details.... It's called SEAT TIME for a reason.

[Panteracer]

Mike,
you are doing exactly what you should be doing
and that is running the car.. seat time and knowing
the car take time
I am have the same issue with my Firebird.. I think
it and I should be faster.. not there yet..It was a
long time ago but now all different
I can get
in my Pantera and run it anywhere but have been
running that car for 10 years now

I think learning how to tune the suspension is
the most challenging part and today it is key
to going fast.. I have never seen Mike Maier
run an event where is not tweaking something
on his car...

Have fun, run the car often to know it
Learn what does what to the handling.. get a book
keep a log and change things to see if it is better or worse
even if it is adjusting the clickers on shocks..that's why
we have them
You can run an Autocross almost every weekend
in Norcal.. I once raced against a guy who ran
46 weekends in one year!

Bob

[glassman]

you know you gotta kinda tune those suspensions right? Its not like a leafs where you toss em on and yell giddy up. :thumbsup: nice job on the RC!!

yep, now the learning curve begins...thanx Vince...

Glassman... talk to Bad Ron Myers... he will help you plan out many changes to the car before your next event! :D

Thats what Matt was telling me out there...Good Ron has much to say/write too...my brain explodes when reading his data,

Mike you did really well out there for one of your first events! LVMS is a bit of a technical track that requires a little bit of everything. You need to be able to brake hard, rotate through all the 180s and be able to pick up the throttle early on corner exit, and have horsepower and driver ability to make it all come together.

With DSE suspension front and rear, I would want to be in the ballpark of 600/400 fr to rr, if you are using DSE's standard anti roll bars. I would get a set of 400lb rear springs from Maier, and let that be your first tuning modification. After an autocross day with that setup, then change the front to 600 or 650 if you aren't happy. Sometimes on the DSE subframes more front spring rate or a stiffer front sway bar will help make the car easier feeling to drive, and a bit faster for the driver on an autocross. Those rates will probably still give you something that is relatively easy to drive, which (in my opinion) is a good place to start until you have a ton of seat time.

thanx Matt, i was gonna pm you re this, but that sums it up right there. And thats exactly what Maier told me....

I didn't know you had a thread here, Mike . . . what somebody said above. You just need to wheel the crap out of this thing and learn what it does and when (Skyline? My 'hood?). If all else fails, you'll always be the guy who passed me on my first track day . . .

Don't feel so bad about (potentially overreacting to) the adjustment thing. Because my Falcon seems to like corner diving, and because I'm too stupid/diverted (presently) to deal with my leaf spring situation (too light), I've decided to just rip the whole chassis out from under thing thing . . .

I've got an LS motor with a 6-speed auto sitting in front of my hot water heater now, partly because I'm just old now, but mostly just because I lack sufficient impulse control . . .

Ha, i only passed you (on my first track day too :poke: ) because my instructor told me too (rather, he yelled at me too lol). BTW, hence the name "dis-traction", you'll understand...

Hey Mike,

It was nice meeting you this past weekend. I hope to see you at other events.

Thanx, we will. I'll be at Fontana and some more events in that neck of the woods. Two of my three kids live down there...


Yep all true. We also added more front spring, better tires and a decent baseline shock adjustment. Once that happened it became a different car. Now the mantra is seat time and tire pressures.

Hang in there Mike. You'll get there! And congrats on making it out to Vegas!

:cheers:

Seat time for sure, and tires r key, working on the spring rates in progress. Still like your 69 probably my fave. Looks and performance, total package baby!!!

BTW --- Don't take my "fix the driver" comment as negative... it's just a fact. Unless you're car is just HORRIBLE... which it's probably not... Just go out and have fun - Screw "where you finished" or getting caught up in lap times. Go out - have fun - see if you can improve with what you got... and then as your brain catches up to the car - you'll be able to come in and say "on corner entry the right front dives" or it "porpoises" or "at corner exit it steps out" or something else..... and THEN someone with KNOWLEDGE (not the idiot next to you) can say 'try this'. Now you'll go out and pay attention to what happened with that change....

Right now -- my guess (I'm the idiot next to you) - is that you're just trying to survive the sessions -- and there's very little concentration on how the car is actually handling...

It's like Charlie used to ask me when I'd come in -- "what's your oil temp"? And I'd look at him like a deer in a headlight and say "I don't know". Once I got some seat time and things slowed down a bit == THEN I started paying attention to all these little details.... It's called SEAT TIME for a reason.

None taken. I agree with almost everything you say, your approach to this (and life) is very much my perspective as well. I dont know about you, but i'm my worst critic. I pay attention to the times to make me a better driver, just really suprised me how sh$itty i did.


I drove the car much better on leafs, now the learning begins. All this just because i wanted bigger tires for the looks lol. These cars (2nds gens) do amazingly well on leafs. I was faster on leafs, hence the curve....which is part of the fun...I love this car. I love driving it.
Sometimes i bitch about the tuning aspect and forget about the big picture. i think the key word is "focus", we tend to look down at the minor innuendos, and forget about the mountains...

I remember a saying we used in dirt biking, "the older i get the faster i was", but tell that to Paul Newman who competed at a very high level in the 24 hours of Daytona at I believe 78 years young....

[fleet]

Cool Paul Newman reference. :thumbsup:

And likely you don't suck at driving as bad as you think you suck at driving...


:hello:

[ks71z28]

Your problem is too many cooks in the Kitchen. I set your car up based on my experience, from what you told me you wished to do with your car. Your invoice states you have 600# front springs, which is what we run on cars that see a lot of street time and a bit of autocross and track stuff, which is what you explained to me was your intentions for the car. The combination of parts you have shouldn't be anywhere near a last place car by any means. You need to get some instruction time and more experience behind the wheel before you start replacing parts and pieces and spending money on things you may not need. Gauging your performance at an event like the USCA events is tough. The top 10 cars are usually big hitters with cars that are set up well and drivers that know how to use them.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

yeah, you have the base just start tweaking the recipe.

[Panteracer]

Mike,
Yes there are some heavy hitters in the group
that run these events... Maier, Hobaugh, Popp, Posey
are all SCCA National Champions and some several times
over...then a guy like Jake who was a motorcycle champ
it is easy for them....

Bob

[glassman]

Can't believe its been 7 months since my last update. Alot has happened to the car since. Drove it hard the first half of 015, and wanted more power and to do some engine accessory work (from the Wegner kit i've had) and some more engine bay clean up.

First was the Wegner accessory drive, black ano with clear ano "slots". This kit is first class primo. WAAAAY worth the coin (funny enough, its the same price as all the other kits).

Well, you know how the story goes, "since we're taking off the drive assembly and balancer, lets do head and cam. So, second was/is Texas Speed and Performance PNC heads and a Comp cam as part of a package, which included a trunion upgrade.

And since we're doing the new accessories, lets move the hoses. Since we're moving the hoses under the fender, oh the computer has too move (it was under the passenger fender and the harness used the fender void as the "conduit"). And since we're moving the computer, most likely to the inside, i must finish the "almost done" wiring harness under the dash. So a new AAW wiring update was/is in order as well. Well, i ended up rewiring the entire car.

Oh, and while we're under the hood, lets install the carbon hood i got last year from Anvil, oh and new valve covers, oh and new Baer remaster (which i believe will require new/different diameters???). So also redid the fire wall...

Waiting on CJ's garage to finalize/do the engine & computer harness. And i've got some odd's and ends to do....air feed redo and fluids....

Heres one pic for now....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/49D67D0D-486D-418A-87BD-BAEE0F50A245.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/49D67D0D-486D-418A-87BD-BAEE0F50A245.jpg.html)

S

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Can't believe its been 7 months since my last update. Alot has happened to the car since. Drove it hard the first half of 015, and wanted more power and to do some engine accessory work (from the Wegner kit i've had) and some more engine bay clean up.

First was the Wegner accessory drive, black ano with clear ano "slots". This kit is first class primo. WAAAAY worth the coin (funny enough, its the same price as all the other kits).

Well, you know how the story goes, "since we're taking off the drive assembly and balancer, lets do head and cam. So, second was/is Texas Speed and Performance PNC heads and a Comp cam as part of a package, which included a trunion upgrade.

And since we're doing the new accessories, lets move the hoses. Since we're moving the hoses under the fender, oh the computer has too move (it was under the passenger fender and the harness used the fender void as the "conduit"). And since we're moving the computer, most likely to the inside, i must finish the "almost done" wiring harness under the dash. So a new AAW wiring update was/is in order as well. Well, i ended up rewiring the entire car.

Oh, and while we're under the hood, lets install the carbon hood i got last year from Anvil, oh and new valve covers, oh and new Baer remaster (which i believe will require new/different diameters???). So also redid the fire wall...

Waiting on CJ's garage to finalize/do the engine & computer harness. And i've got some odd's and ends to do....air feed redo and fluids....

Heres one pic for now....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/49D67D0D-486D-418A-87BD-BAEE0F50A245.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/49D67D0D-486D-418A-87BD-BAEE0F50A245.jpg.html)

S

I like the wegner set up. comes with everything.

[Spiffav8]

Can't believe its been 7 months since my last update. Alot has happened to the car since. Drove it hard the first half of 015, and wanted more power and to do some engine accessory work (from the Wegner kit i've had) and some more engine bay clean up.

First was the Wegner accessory drive, black ano with clear ano "slots". This kit is first class primo. WAAAAY worth the coin (funny enough, its the same price as all the other kits).

Well, you know how the story goes, "since we're taking off the drive assembly and balancer, lets do head and cam. So, second was/is Texas Speed and Performance PNC heads and a Comp cam as part of a package, which included a trunion upgrade.

And since we're doing the new accessories, lets move the hoses. Since we're moving the hoses under the fender, oh the computer has too move (it was under the passenger fender and the harness used the fender void as the "conduit"). And since we're moving the computer, most likely to the inside, i must finish the "almost done" wiring harness under the dash. So a new AAW wiring update was/is in order as well. Well, i ended up rewiring the entire car.

Oh, and while we're under the hood, lets install the carbon hood i got last year from Anvil, oh and new valve covers, oh and new Baer remaster (which i believe will require new/different diameters???). So also redid the fire wall...

Waiting on CJ's garage to finalize/do the engine & computer harness. And i've got some odd's and ends to do....air feed redo and fluids....



Well....at least it didn't get out of control. :lmao:

[rustomatic]

Mike, man o' glass, for a second, I thought you'd applied some crazy engine setback, but then I realized that you do not have two engines in the front of your Cam-arrow. That's one shiny firewall!

[fleet]

Nice build Mike, but without you incorporating used NASCAR parts in your 'Maro, it doesn't hold my interest.

Sorry...

#spoiledby2muchWinning



:P

[zj510]

Looks good. The front drive looks killer definitely going to go with that accessory drive.

[tubbed69]

Very nice job Mike,It is impossible to do just one thing without doing several more.

[glassman]

I like the wegner set up. comes with everything.

And you know the quality of their stuff. Great fit with the machining...

Well....at least it didn't get out of control. :lmao:

Ha, never. Or are we supposed to be in control? i'm asking a pilot about control? "do we have clearance clarance?,"

Mike, man o' glass, for a second, I thought you'd applied some crazy engine setback, but then I realized that you do not have two engines in the front of your Cam-arrow. That's one shiny firewall!

And i forgot to color sand it!!! may be before the DSE wiper kit...

Nice build Mike, but without you incorporating used NASCAR parts in your 'Maro, it doesn't hold my interest.

Sorry...

#spoiledby2muchWinning



:P

I'm sorry Skipper, you sportin a #8 tatoo?

Looks good. The front drive looks killer definitely going to go with that accessory drive.

thanx Zach....it still needs to be detailed....

Very nice job Mike,It is impossible to do just one thing without doing several more.

Yep, hip bones connected to the water pump lol....
any luck on your sale???

[carbuff]

I really like my Wegner front drive kit... My only problem has been PS pumps. I've gone through a couple, but I don't think that's Wegner's fault. It's a compact kit that has quality components.

I also like the kit that Sutton is now selling. I would do that as a similar option if I were building another engine from scratch.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

And you know the quality of their stuff. Great fit with the machining...


we put that s*** on everything. LOL hope you got a good price. you buy through matts?

[qnitro]

LOVE THEM

http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab237/qnitro/Trans%20Am/C159E9B4-1630-4C26-AFDC-245996C77A05-790-000000BF1F8BBA10_zpsp2gbiizb.jpg (http://s867.photobucket.com/user/qnitro/media/Trans%20Am/C159E9B4-1630-4C26-AFDC-245996C77A05-790-000000BF1F8BBA10_zpsp2gbiizb.jpg.html)


we put that s*** on everything. LOL hope you got a good price. you buy through matts?

[Flash68]

Looks great Mike. How much power you expecting from the upgrades?

[SSLance]

Nice set of upgrades... #Whileimatititis

:D

Target completion date?

[rickpaw]

Nice upgrade Mike.

Tu

[tubbed69]

Yep, hip bones connected to the water pump lol....
any luck on your sale???[/QUOTE]

Mike I sold my red car to a real nice guy in Texas and bought the car I was building for a friend.

[intocarss]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[glassman]

we put that s*** on everything. LOL hope you got a good price. you buy through matts?

Yep. Price, not sure, but they have really great service, all their other pricing has been good.

LOVE THEM


:thumbsup:

Looks great Mike. How much power you expecting from the upgrades?

I'm hoping for 560 +/- at the crank, hoping for 500 or so at the wheels, i'm not sure i'm going to make it with the 12bolt, but i'll have to learn how to drive the car again....

Nice set of upgrades... #Whileimatititis

:D

Target completion date?

:thumbsup: umm september of 15 lol, seriously, only thing left is the computer harness and dash reassembly so, end of Jan? OUSCI T-hill is at the end of Feb, and i'm reluctant to sign up with a non' finished car....or i can take the carrera s, hehehe

Nice upgrade Mike.

Tu

thanx Tu

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jer....:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I'm hoping for 560 +/- at the crank, hoping for 500 or so at the wheels, i'm not sure i'm going to make it with the 12bolt, but i'll have to learn how to drive the car again....





So this is why Greg is scrapping his 550 hp Mustang..... :bigun2:

[GregWeld]

So this is why Greg is scrapping his 550 hp Mustang..... :bigun2:



This is like another "racer" on here... He too, has more of everything... except what's needed. :lol:

[WSSix]

Looking good, Mike. Be sure to post up some more pictures once it's out driving around. Good luck!

[cjsgarage]

well, trey.. we haven't lowered it off the jackstands yet.. but it was late, and Mike values his neighbors.. :headscratch:

we did get it fired, and it's been a long road. Lots of changes. I'll see what I can find photos for and load them up. I'll also be making a thread in the wiring section detailing the wiring work.. there's just too many photos to post.. they would hijack the thread.

[cjsgarage]

okay. here goes:

I'm not really sure where this started. I'm pretty sure it stared with "I need more power" or "I don't like the accessories..". Whatever it was, the hip bone is very much connected to the leg bone here (tubbed69)..

Mike deliberated a long time, and I finally set him up with a heads and cam package. Beyond that, he was really itching to change the accessories. The old stuff hung way out to the sides and wasn't the look we were going for.

But like Mike said, once we knew what we wanted to clean up, it plowed tracks through a bunch of other systems. We would now have to move the majority of the wires in the car and the ECM that runs the engine because they lived where we wanted to run the heater and A/C lines, and some other stuff. Does everyone's cars snowball like this?

Anywho.. Mike stripped the car down in his garage.. pulled the accessories, intake, headers, heads and knick knacks around those items. I pulled the harmonic balancer with my special tool. We found this cleaning the piston tops.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/dimpled%20piston.jpg

After a chat with my machinist, we determined that it wasn't close enough to the piston edge that it would affect anything. After further review, it was apparent the valve had contacted the piston in its previous life.. the valve had been replaced by the dealer I'm guessing (this engine started life in an 04 GTO and only reached 45,000 miles).

so we stabbed the cam and assembled the timing cover with a new crank seal and gasket.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/installing%20the%20cam.jpg

[cjsgarage]

Getting the oil pump pickup tube back in with the oil pan still installed was not fun. We ended up having to drop it anyway because I dropped the o-ring on my fourth or fifth attempt to try to start the bolt.


we wanted to put the heads on, but first I checked them out.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/peeking%20at%20texas%20speed%20225cc%20heads.jpg

looking good so far. But then I found this in almost all the combustion chambers.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/casting%20flaws.jpg

So I got out the porting and polishing kit and went to work. I got the chambers perfect and perfected the exhaust ports as well.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/ported%20exhaust%20runner.jpg

oh yeah.. and while I was in there I found this just hanging out in the water jackets..
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/metal%20shavings.jpg

[cjsgarage]

Here they are all cleaned, reassembled and ready to install
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/texas%20speed%20225cc%202.jpg

We slapped them back on, cleaned the head bolts holes and installed and torqued new head bolts.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/heads%20installed.jpg

Somehow we missed getting photographs of doing the trunnion upgrade.. and the rockers installed. Must have had our hands busy.. :EmoteClueless:

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/heads%20and%20intake%20manifold%20installed.jpg

I left it to Mike here for the accessory installation and the valve covers and whatnot.

[glassman]

So the story goes:

I've had the Wegner Accessory drive since Sept of 14, after the last phase. So, installing the Accessory drive the way i wanted it required moving of the plumbing, installing it under the fender/over the wheel well, thats were the computer was. So in August, I pulled everything apart, couple of weeks right? right.

"While we're in here.....?!?"

Keith and Josh both recommended heads n cam upgrade, so with Josh's history of doing the initial LS conversion, we're on our way,....took some time choosing a righteous vendor. While Texas Speed and Performance was the choosen vendor, the heads needed a little cleaning up. So Josh polished all of the runners...

While doing that, we needed to move the computer, can't just leave well enough alone right?, So i decided to move the computer inside the car. That also lead to me rewiring the entire car with an American Auto Wire kit.

We got done with that in October. Josh didn't have time to get to anything till 2nd week in Janruary, he didn't like the way i did the wiring, so out it came, re did everything. He is a wiring specialist like no other......we finished the harness saturday, the 19th of March, and with the click of a key, the car fired up an ran, every wire worked, thoughout the whole system. All i know is it sounded beastalicious....

Plumbed brake lines yesterday, used Ni/Co lines, great to work with, took about 4 hours with hime and I, got the car's brakes 99% done last nite at 10:15 ish, too late to fire and tune.

So tonite, I'll lower it on its wheels (barring leaks, fingers crossed imogee here), get it ready for a test drive, work out the bugs and hopefully track/autox ready in the next couple of weeks (i'm gone the next two weekends, we missed a couple of events like Optima T-hill and the Goodguys Spring Get together).....

[grendel]

Good luck!

I know snow ball projects :)

[SSLance]

Get that car running again!!! Summer is a wasting!!

Good luck on the test drive, glad to hear it's finally getting close.

[cjsgarage]

we went to drive it last night and it's still suuuuper rich on startup. for the few seconds that I could keep the wideband working, it looks like I'm 7:1 for fuel mixture. Yikes!!! I haven't tuned it at all.. we pulled back in because it began to rain and there's a tapping noise in the engine.

I'm going to go over to Mike's house later with a stethoscope and possibly pull the valve covers. Maybe one of the rockers isn't set into a pushrod or something. Doesn't run rough.. just making a noise.

[WSSix]

Glad you were making progress with the car, Mike. Here's hoping it makes great power. What cam did you end up choosing?

[glassman]

Glad you were making progress with the car, Mike. Here's hoping it makes great power. What cam did you end up choosing?

not sure, josh knows though. specs are.595 intake .605 exhaust, 281/287 duration 112 lobe sep. by Comp Cam,

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/AE5D0A4A-B66E-44D8-879E-C74D87940FF6.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/AE5D0A4A-B66E-44D8-879E-C74D87940FF6.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/D57BD6A3-A41D-42FE-95E3-8B60EFF2C2C7.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/D57BD6A3-A41D-42FE-95E3-8B60EFF2C2C7.jpg.html)

[Juicypop]

Car looks great!

[cjsgarage]

The black wheels really do look good on there.

the cam is a 233/239 @ .050", lift is 595"/605", on a 112 degree lobe separation

[glassman]

Sorry Trey bout the black rims, i know how much you love them lol....

I couldn't find anybody to do "black/smoke chrome"...

does anybody know any bay area people who can do a smokey or black chrome?

[mdprovee]

Looking good and getting close.

[WSSix]

No worries, Mike, lol. It's your car anyway. I think it looks good.

I found this powder coat after seeing the red translucent wheels posted in the wheel gallery

http://www.columbiacoatings.com/store/p/5117-Candy-Black-Translucent-TGIC.aspx

I ordered a pound of it to do my aluminum dash panel. I think it will turn out nice. You might find that it will give you the look you're after, too. You don't have to do a silver or chrome coating first if you're putting it on a bright metal base. You could also take their suggestion and try a different base color/coat all together and create a unique look.

[Ron in SoCal]

not sure, josh knows though. specs are.595 intake .605 exhaust, 281/287 duration 112 lobe sep. by Comp Cam,

Yikes!

The black wheels really do look good on there.

the cam is a 233/239 @ .050", lift is 595"/605", on a 112 degree lobe separation

^ that's more like it. Wheels look great! :thumbsup:

[glassman]

Yikes!



^ that's more like it. Wheels look great! :thumbsup:

Ha, read the wrong part of the cam card. Thanx for the thumbs :cheers:

[cjsgarage]

Yikes!



^ that's more like it. Wheels look great! :thumbsup:

that is advertised duration. I just don't think anyone pays attention to those numbers.

[cjsgarage]

Back to where we left on on the build part of the build thread:

Mike installed the front accessories and I got to working on the wiring harness. Mike had installed the dash harness and the lighting harnesses front and rear. It got everything measured up so I could cut out what we weren't going to use and plan out the additions like the fuel injection system, computer, vintage air and stereo head unit/amplifier.

Dash harness initial
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Dash%20Harness%20Mocked%20Up.jpg

Replacing the old with new
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Replacing%20Coutesy%20Lights.jpg

Adding relays for the electric fan and the fuel pump
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Adding%20Relays%20To%20Dash%20Harness.jpg

and a completed piece
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Completed%20Dash%20Harness%202.jpg

[cjsgarage]

Those stringy bits in the middle are how the VHX by Dakota Digital wants to be plugged in. If I were to do it again, I think I would make a connector and make it disconnectable.



So the dash harness gets me to about here:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Bulkhead%20Installed%201.jpg

Then I took off the radiator support and started on the front lighting harness
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Radiator%20Support%20Loosened.jpg

and I'll skip to the good part. Here's the lighting harness done and laid on the engine:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Monday%20Night%20Workflow.jpg

[cjsgarage]

I prefer the ultra cleanest install I can get. and I've never liked how the wipers came out of the engine side of the bulkhead. I always thought it would be a whole lot easier to disconnect the engine as a whole from the bulkhead. Besides that, Mike is considering doing a remote mount wiper since the firewall smooth sheet he made required a wiper delete. So I moved the wipers over to the lighting side.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Repinning%20Wiper%20Wires%201.jpg


Speaking of ultra clean.. Here's what I did with the rear lighting harness. I included the fuel pump wiring and the stereo amplifier wiring and the gas gauge wiring right into the same harness. One harness disconnects the entire rear of the car. Nice.
The former fuel sending unit ground was ran through the roof of the car.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Pulling%20Fuel%20Sending%20Unit%20Ground%201.jpg

So here's the leg bone being connected to the hip bone again.. the entire interior had to come out (less carpet) for the new lines to be run and the old to be removed. There were powers and ground running down the passenger side for the vintage air and speaker wires.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Pulling%20Fuel%20Sending%20Unit%20Ground%202.jpg

[cjsgarage]

Engine harness pre assembly:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Separating%20And%20Sorting%20Harness.jpg

And here's partially through assembly:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Engine%20Harness%20In%20Progress%201.jpg

[cjsgarage]

Here's a little section I had to redo because the sheathing wasn't long enough and pulled out the shrink:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Must%20Redo%20Harness%201.jpg

Here's what it looked like before it was finished:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Engine%20Harness%20In%20Progress%203.jpg



Lastly, I had to wait for a special tool to come in so I could finish the MilSpec connector that makes the engine truly disconnectable in a few seconds.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Crimping%20Mil%20Spec%20Connector%202.jpg


Here's the mating side of the connector and where it plugs into the ECM and the dash harness
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Finished%20ECM%20Mil%20Spec%20Connector%204.jpg

[cjsgarage]

This got us to startup.

we fired it with no issues. Ran pretty darn good, but super rich.. as stated before. All the lights, dummy lights, stereo and heater controls worked. Nice.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/th_Cam%20Idling%201.mp4 (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Cam%20Idling%201.mp4)


We did have an issue with the electric fan not turning on.. but that's because the internet lied to me. Go figure. :EmoteClueless: I saw a GM ignition switch diagram that showed one more battery power slot than Mike's ignition switch actually had. So the previous modification I made to the brand new harness had to be done over. That's okay. I found a battery power terminal on the ignition switch and I had some terminals left over from modifying the harness.. so it was a quick fix. Also, I missed plugging in injector 7. Oops. No one has to know about that except you guys. :bitchslap:


It was running fine, but not building oil pressure.. and my wideband was dropping out anyway. Mike and I both decided to call it a night and formulate a plan. Mike was sure it was the double roller timing chain rubbing on the oil pump. It definitely did not sound like metal on metal.. and there were no shavings in the pan. So I took off the valve covers to have a quick look see.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Inpsecting%20Top%20End.jpg

Nothing to see here. So I dropped the pan and confirmed my suspicion..
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Post%20Teardown%20Pre%20Reassembly.jpg

I had a bad oil pump pickup tube o-ring.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Low%20Oil%20Pressure%20Diagnosis%20Conformed.jpg

Fixed that bad boy right quick and buttoned her back up. Ran and drove nicely. Spent a couple days a couple hours a day on the tune and DIStraction is good to go.

[cjsgarage]

I do think we ought to check the water level though. And possibly revisit the timing tables.

[tubbed69]

Looks good in there,glad Mike is ready to ride again,nice work:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Good to hear you figured it out.

[glassman]

It runs good. Very good.

We did a driving dyno eve. third gear now pulls as hard as second gear did, if you know what i mean, so forth gear now feels like third. Should of done this years ago, but hey, i thought 400hp would be enough. Ugh, this car hobby....

We have almost a whole paper bag of wiring Josh pulled out while modifying and cleaning up the old harness.

I'll have some ride reports and new pics shortly....now, to get her ready for da track & touring, then maybe a little cone running in there.....

[WSSix]

Sounds great, Mike! Have fun with it and be sure to post the dyno graph when you get it dialed in.

[carbuff]

but hey, i thought 400hp would be enough.

:confused18: :bitchslap: :EmoteClueless: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Congrats on the newfound power. You will enjoy putting it to use! :drive:

[cjsgarage]

That paper bag isn't of old wiring. That paper bag is of brand new wiring that was auxiliary. :confused59: :gitrdun: weight savings and removing complication. Me likey.

[Dr G]

Lastly, I had to wait for a special tool to come in so I could finish the MilSpec connector that makes the engine truly disconnectable in a few seconds.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e320/toytruck89/Mikes%20Camaro/Crimping%20Mil%20Spec%20Connector%202.jpg


Hey, I love wiring too! We're a rare group. You know, every time I've stuffed regular "automotive" wire into a Mil Spec connector I've regretted it down the road. Because the jacket is larger than on teflon coated mil spec wire, so the standard pin extraction tools won't work. I've had to throw away perfectly good mil spec connectors because I could not get the wires out. This is when making changes down the road, which always seems to happen for me.

Of course the alliterative, if you're stuck with the automotive wire on some other part of the loom, is to do a butt splice for each and every wire leading to the connector, transitioning it to mil spec wire. That can be a lot of splices, each one a potential failure point, and it also gets bulky. So despite my better instincts I still stick automotive wire into mil spec connectors, I just figure I'm permanently dedicating the connector to that use, with no changes possible.

It's all so much easier with compact and slippery mil spec wire though!

https://gustave.smugmug.com/Trucks/56-F-100/i-n9SWP8P/0/L/wiring%20up%20front%20of%20engine%20firewall%20con nector%20%282%29-L.jpg

[cjsgarage]

I've had extremely good luck using Amphenol connectors and getting gxl and txl wires back out. Amphenol gives you a new plastic tool with every connector. I plan fairly meticulously, so as not to have to remove the wires at all.. But it happens. I had the VSS wires out a couple times on this connector because I needed to move them. Then move them again.

[glassman]

Well, a little update. Since the heads n cam, accessories drive, aluminum firewall, Baer remaster (boosterless), Whole new CJ's Wired wiring harness, I decided to do a few more "things". Being that i missed most the driving events this year, i could of made this weekends American Auto-x event but decided to fore-go on beating the car as i'm driving it to Chicago from the Bay Area for the start of the Good-guys road tour, Chicago to Texas Motor Speedway, Sept 24-30.

So, while i had my oldest son's wedding in June, with the reception in our back yard, the majority of January - June was focused on the house and family. July went in a blink (did squeeze a trip to New York in with friends again) and August was vacation-thirty at Tahoe!!

In the mean time, july to current, ordered and installed 6p Baer calipers in the front, helped greatly street driving with no booster, still looking forward to the track and see how it does, Hopefully October's Shelby event, if the Texas road trip is "uneventful" and the car is delivered in time...we'll see.

Also ordered Dr. Sutton's secret sauce recipe Ridetech's for the front shocks (single adjustable) as the whole front end is "up in the air" with a possible change to the new Speedtech set up. Gonna wait a year or two for that too happen, in the mean time, the front end whoa's are cured (ended the "floaty" feeling i couldn't adjust out with the previous coil-overs) and installing the
triple adjustable Ridetech's for the rear. I really wanted to support Ridetech, they've done alot for our community and provide some of the best service in the business for our hobby.

Recharged the a/c, lowered it a bit more.

To do, wipers, sort out the sound system, exhaust muffler change and rout the back exhaust over the axle and out the back, align, make a "modern" console, and a new trunk lock.

Oh, then complete respray and body work and new interior LOL...Jk, well, not really, just not now......

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/1C4CAB58-CA6E-47BF-8452-E4CAAF65546D.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/1C4CAB58-CA6E-47BF-8452-E4CAAF65546D.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/1C2D91D6-BC0D-4E8E-BB00-74641EEED3AE.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/1C2D91D6-BC0D-4E8E-BB00-74641EEED3AE.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/0A39F243-F4DF-4C6E-98CE-8997D69CDBC3.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/0A39F243-F4DF-4C6E-98CE-8997D69CDBC3.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/7D3E5AB6-4C19-49BB-8260-3D08E80C8A40.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/7D3E5AB6-4C19-49BB-8260-3D08E80C8A40.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/93645B7E-FBF7-410E-9D3C-A80AC25CB62F.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/93645B7E-FBF7-410E-9D3C-A80AC25CB62F.jpg.html)
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/9BA2F766-3233-4080-AA6D-8FC1FCF77D5A.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/9BA2F766-3233-4080-AA6D-8FC1FCF77D5A.jpg.html)

Plus a new front spoiler on the P-car....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/DA30EA18-7E14-4CB9-9F91-DA26D3760677.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/DA30EA18-7E14-4CB9-9F91-DA26D3760677.jpg.html)

[syborg tt]

Mike the car looks great and I am really interested in the new updated shocks as my 70 has a similar floaty feeling in the front.

ps I also need to update my thread

[WSSix]

Sounds like good changes were made. Let us know how it feels, Mike. Have fun!

[grendel]

Looking forward to the console... I have something in mind for mine.

[Jimbo1367]

Badass car. I's so glad you ditched the old wheels. This car was begging for rims that it deserved
How do you like the DSE rear?


Any updates?

[ks71z28]

Did you get fries with the secret sauce? Lol

[glassman]

Badass car. I's so glad you ditched the old wheels. This car was begging for rims that it deserved
How do you like the DSE rear?


Any updates?

The painter had an opening six months sooner than expected so it's in the body shop now. The DSE rear is very good, money well spent, this dude installed it ¥¥. The Forgelines are sweet, I do like the black better than the silver I had done...
The car is great to drive, just can't get enough of it!!

[glassman]

Did you get fries with the secret sauce? Lol

Ha!! U funny... How's life up there?

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/A7ACEFB2-E7BF-42D4-A6C4-D409D52D19ED.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/A7ACEFB2-E7BF-42D4-A6C4-D409D52D19ED.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/BF66D3D9-6A5C-4483-BA25-9317B013A064.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/BF66D3D9-6A5C-4483-BA25-9317B013A064.jpg.html)

Had some serious adhesion issues, paint was lifting in many spots....was ten years new, bummer but she's a keeper for me, so :G-Dub:

[Flash68]

Car is looking good Mike.... it never ends huh. :ohsnap:

[rustomatic]

That looks like a good opportunity for a custom radiator module that would allow you to remove that crazy amount of radiator support bracing, get cold air in that air filter thingy (easy 1000 horsepower increase), lose weight (like 50 pounds, or a lite beer addiction equivalent), look faster (duh), and have some stuff that matches the color of your Porshaaaaa.

[syborg tt]

That looks like a good opportunity for a custom radiator module that would allow you to remove that crazy amount of radiator support bracing, get cold air in that air filter thingy (easy 1000 horsepower increase), lose weight (like 50 pounds, or a lite beer addiction equivalent), look faster (duh), and have some stuff that matches the color of your Porshaaaaa.

Well I think he's correct. You should strongly consider his recommendations.

[Spiffav8]

Way to keep the dream alive! No slowing down!!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[JohnJ@RideTech]

Well, a little update. Since the heads n cam, accessories drive, aluminum firewall, Baer remaster (boosterless), Whole new CJ's Wired wiring harness, I decided to do a few more "things". Being that i missed most the driving events this year, i could of made this weekends American Auto-x event but decided to fore-go on beating the car as i'm driving it to Chicago from the Bay Area for the start of the Good-guys road tour, Chicago to Texas Motor Speedway, Sept 24-30.

So, while i had my oldest son's wedding in June, with the reception in our back yard, the majority of January - June was focused on the house and family. July went in a blink (did squeeze a trip to New York in with friends again) and August was vacation-thirty at Tahoe!!

In the mean time, july to current, ordered and installed 6p Baer calipers in the front, helped greatly street driving with no booster, still looking forward to the track and see how it does, Hopefully October's Shelby event, if the Texas road trip is "uneventful" and the car is delivered in time...we'll see.

Also ordered Dr. Sutton's secret sauce recipe Ridetech's for the front shocks (single adjustable) as the whole front end is "up in the air" with a possible change to the new Speedtech set up. Gonna wait a year or two for that too happen, in the mean time, the front end whoa's are cured (ended the "floaty" feeling i couldn't adjust out with the previous coil-overs) and installing the
triple adjustable Ridetech's for the rear. I really wanted to support Ridetech, they've done alot for our community and provide some of the best service in the business for our hobby.

Recharged the a/c, lowered it a bit more.

To do, wipers, sort out the sound system, exhaust muffler change and rout the back exhaust over the axle and out the back, align, make a "modern" console, and a new trunk lock.

Oh, then complete respray and body work and new interior LOL...Jk, well, not really, just not now......

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/1C4CAB58-CA6E-47BF-8452-E4CAAF65546D.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/1C4CAB58-CA6E-47BF-8452-E4CAAF65546D.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/1C2D91D6-BC0D-4E8E-BB00-74641EEED3AE.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/1C2D91D6-BC0D-4E8E-BB00-74641EEED3AE.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/0A39F243-F4DF-4C6E-98CE-8997D69CDBC3.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/0A39F243-F4DF-4C6E-98CE-8997D69CDBC3.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/7D3E5AB6-4C19-49BB-8260-3D08E80C8A40.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/7D3E5AB6-4C19-49BB-8260-3D08E80C8A40.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/93645B7E-FBF7-410E-9D3C-A80AC25CB62F.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/93645B7E-FBF7-410E-9D3C-A80AC25CB62F.jpg.html)
http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/9BA2F766-3233-4080-AA6D-8FC1FCF77D5A.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/9BA2F766-3233-4080-AA6D-8FC1FCF77D5A.jpg.html)

Plus a new front spoiler on the P-car....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/DA30EA18-7E14-4CB9-9F91-DA26D3760677.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/DA30EA18-7E14-4CB9-9F91-DA26D3760677.jpg.html)

Nice choice on your shocks! I like the way you think!

[ks71z28]

Ha!! U funny... How's life up there?

Wet as heck! I may need to swim to Vegas next month!

[fleet]

Yer prolific Mike.


:whenitsdone:

[glassman]

suffice to say i either have a soft spot or strange addiction to the jack stand class....#neverdone

Why are they called "Hot Rods"?

[fleet]

suffice to say i either have a soft spot or strange addiction to the jack stand class....#neverdone

Why are they called "Hot Rods"?


The weird science formula is simple: for every day you looked at the BMF thread, it somehow causes your ride to spend a day on jack stands. :headscratch:

#osmosis

[glassman]

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/B0649CF1-C302-468D-91F8-368E1D0E4430.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/B0649CF1-C302-468D-91F8-368E1D0E4430.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/CDA77232-8000-410B-87C4-94AA3B8B6172.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/CDA77232-8000-410B-87C4-94AA3B8B6172.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/640861B7-1B2E-4845-A4D5-3FF274324986.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/640861B7-1B2E-4845-A4D5-3FF274324986.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/99F074C5-02FF-4D53-9680-9DC6168AA656.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/99F074C5-02FF-4D53-9680-9DC6168AA656.jpg.html)

[MtotheIKEo]

Well that looks different! Sticking with the same blue?

[syborg tt]

Very nice


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[Flash68]

The slippery slope ensues! :hitaxeonthehead:

:thumbsup:

[glassman]

Had a bit of this:

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/782A9B96-6F5A-4BE4-89CC-52A08D49928D.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/782A9B96-6F5A-4BE4-89CC-52A08D49928D.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/96CF55FA-26BF-4854-9282-13208A7891CE.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/96CF55FA-26BF-4854-9282-13208A7891CE.jpg.html)

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/48116C87-ACBC-4FAB-B2C3-8681C48C9A65.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/48116C87-ACBC-4FAB-B2C3-8681C48C9A65.jpg.html)

Ron, Grand Collision Shop owner, making a horizontal guillotine or a functional cowl.

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/FDD6F538-327A-4427-A842-8C6D3FE47ABD.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/FDD6F538-327A-4427-A842-8C6D3FE47ABD.jpg.html)

Where she sits now'

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/6D65F05D-F946-4B21-8DEB-14FE87F21FC7.jpg (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/6D65F05D-F946-4B21-8DEB-14FE87F21FC7.jpg.html)

Going into body work next week, paint two to three weeks after that.....

95% sure i'm goin Z06 LeMans blue....

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/r530/mikearmienti/327B3DE7-D27E-4BC0-AC42-C036AD07C1EB.png (http://s1170.photobucket.com/user/mikearmienti/media/327B3DE7-D27E-4BC0-AC42-C036AD07C1EB.png.html)

[carbuff]

Excellent color choice. ;)

Interesting work on the hood. I'll be curious to see how that all works out.

[syborg tt]

Love the color now you need to refinish the wheels to match.


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[WSSix]

I'm all about the blue so of course I'll agree that LeMans blue is a good choice. I like the hood too. Where did you source the scoop?

[glassman]

I'm all about the blue so of course I'll agree that LeMans blue is a good choice. I like the hood too. Where did you source the scoop?

That was the one on the old hood, which was taken off a true cowl sometime in late 70's or 80's. My friend who did the paint in round one, older dude (somewhat losing it, dementia maybe...) had NO primer or paint under the cowl and hood, raw metal for 10 years, i saw no rust trails when i washed it or drove it in the rain, that was probably my biggest disappointment with the "workmanship" (the 7/16 of bondo in two spots wasn't exactly a good surprise) on the previous paint job. But, you get what you pay for (in this case, 11,000$ worth of trade and a 9 year wait, hey what are friends for).

[glassman]

Love the color now you need to refinish the wheels to match.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You may be thinking what i'm thinking. Maybe not the same "color", but i've got something up my sleeve(less t shirt)

Trey, i too, think you will be happy with the next finish selection on the wheels....too be continued...

[D.clark63]

Dang mike!

[HarveyT]

Wow, looking good!

[glassman]

Dang mike!

Dill, good to have u on here. May be the only spot in the country with Falconitis, so you should feel at home

[glassman]

Wow, looking good!

thank you sir.

[cjsgarage]

Mike.

It occurs to me that I haven't been in the car since the tune was finalized and that I haven't been in JT's car either. I had to spend a few minutes catching up. I forgot you ordered the shocks to end the floatiness.

Looking forward to seeing you guys at the American Auto-X this year. :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Ncie color.

[Goosesdad]

Looking sweeeet

[glassman]

Mike.

It occurs to me that I haven't been in the car since the tune was finalized and that I haven't been in JT's car either. I had to spend a few minutes catching up. I forgot you ordered the shocks to end the floatiness.

Looking forward to seeing you guys at the American Auto-X this year. :thumbsup:

Whoa, missed this whole page.

All I know is THAT is how u tune a car, Jason at RPM (Rohnert Park Machine)
They spent 4 hours in the car and bout 4 dyno pulls. Car just runs way better (previously dyno'd at another dyno facility). Haven't had a chance to drive it much as a week later it went into metal/body/paint.

Fyi, Josh (cjsgarage on here) is a good friend who recommended RPM as they now do his machine/engine builds. Also @steeldustmachine on IG for some of their engine builders photos and techy stuff. I'ma gonna save up for their LS7 when i blow up my LS1.

Also, just deleted my PB account, Fu k those guys. From "hey, part time users, just look at our crappy ads and we won't charge u" to "oh, to stay active with us, you need a fancy (insert bulls t name here) and it will be 399 a year". Done. So, no more pics of dis-traction till i figure out another third party or figure out how to do "easily" from my desktop.

[glassman]

Ncie color.

Thanx Wayne & John, its also nice seeing the steady progress you guys are making as well, cheers

Looking sweeeet

[syborg tt]

Also, just deleted my PB account, Fu k those guys. From "hey, part time users, just look at our crappy ads and we won't charge u" to "oh, to stay active with us, you need a fancy (insert bulls t name here) and it will be 399 a year". Done. So, no more pics of dis-traction till i figure out another third party or figure out how to do "easily" from my desktop.


I set you up on Garagescene.net and I won't even charge you as long as you pay for the Hotel room.

Your half at least.

[glassman]

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-FzxmcT7/0/c414dea9/M/IMG_0793-M.jpg

[GregWeld]

<a href="https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-FzxmcT7/A"><img src="https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-FzxmcT7/0/c414dea9/M/IMG_0793-M.jpg" alt=""></a>





You suck.....

[glassman]

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-r4wxHXG/A

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

[glassman]

You suck.....

Yes, specially at making decisions. Paint yes = no tour #idioticthingsivedone

still cant get these dam smugmug photos to upload. do you see a pic or just a link?

[glassman]

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

i give up. cant download from smugmug. i'm going to play now. bye.

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

[GregWeld]

You suck



LOL



I don't think I'll ever understand a forum that depends on pictures etc to not be able to drag and drop them.

[Goosesdad]

Well done Mike!! Looks great.

[glassman]

http://https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/0/8627d224/M/IMG_0799-M.jpg

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

[GregWeld]

http://https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/0/8627d224/M/IMG_0799-M.jpg

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A



You still suck!

Your account is private so we can't "log in" to see your photos....

[glassman]

try that. i dont suck, computer programmers do (my wifey used to be one so i can talk sh_t.) not too her though.

gerg, what u driving on the tour?

missing it sux big time. taking wife to lineland (Disneyland)for our anniversary.

Hmmm, tour the south in protouring car or go to disneyland? i think i p-whipped. seriously though, effin painter didn't have it ready till a week and a half ago, so i missed shipping, amongst other things

[GregWeld]

try that. i dont suck, computer programmers do (my wifey used to be one so i can talk sh_t.) not too her though.

gerg, what u driving on the tour?

missing it sux big time. taking wife to lineland (Disneyland)for our anniversary.

Hmmm, tour the south in protouring car or go to disneyland? i think i p-whipped. seriously though, effin painter didn't have it ready till a week and a half ago, so i missed shipping, amongst other things


This......



http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=63231&stc=1&d=1505599248




And my Brother in Law, Rudy, that drove the whole thing last year due to my "medicating myself".... is going to drive Marc Meadors '32. He was going to go with me but then Marc had something come up and can't go - and his '32 was already sitting in Moorseville - so Rudy will drive it to GG Fort Worth for him.

[Musclerodz]

This......



http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=63231&stc=1&d=1505599248




And my Brother in Law, Rudy, that drove the whole thing last year due to my "medicating myself".... is going to drive Marc Meadors '32. He was going to go with me but then Marc had something come up and can't go - and his '32 was already sitting in Moorseville - so Rudy will drive it to GG Fort Worth for him.


Sweet!!! I'm sure Harold knows if you break it, you could buy it.

[GregWeld]

Sweet!!! I'm sure Harold knows if you break it, you could buy it.



If I break it - it's Charley's fault!

[Sieg]

Amatures, it's not like you have to go to the dark room to develop a pic anymore. :bang: :bang: :bang:

:D

[glassman]

https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A

[glassman]

Amatures, it's not like you have to go to the dark room to develop a pic anymore. :bang: :bang: :bang:

:D

still cant get it too work. ive tried about a dozen different ways. the one pic a page back, worked, but wont any more. when i right click on the open pic, it does not say "copy image url" anywhere, nor at the icon in lower right (which wasnt there til i figured certain galleries have to be public.) That icon, when clicked, sends me to "pic size" before allowing me to copy. I tried copying the image to no avail. Also tried with the "mountain" icon on the reply (here) screen and putting between the irl's, stll nothing, only a link.

I think i got it, there is a third column labeled BBCODE , click there, copy, paste here, no need for the icon in "reply".......

[glassman]

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/0/8627d224/M/IMG_0799-M.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-fSCSmPz/A)

[glassman]

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-DLhvHzk/0/c399b025/M/IMG_0794-M.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-DLhvHzk/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-9kjPsVp/0/1c99524e/L/IMG_0797-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-9kjPsVp/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-rmqWDS6/0/2bcf2a0f/L/IMG_0782-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-rmqWDS6/A)
https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-mVM5G3X/0/9ac7bde9/M/IMG_0781-M.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-mVM5G3X/A)

[glassman]

And my own flush mount kit, front and rear

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-pH2sMrG/0/8b897616/M/IMG_0800-M.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-pH2sMrG/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-M6wGMKv/0/a90a349a/L/IMG_0801-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-M6wGMKv/A)

[glassman]

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-XpKwgxf/0/58e615b2/XL/IMG_0788-XL.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-XpKwgxf/A)

Well, that was supposed to be a video. Not opening up a You Tube one yet, i can barely post a pic #computersareforshopping

[GregWeld]

Mike --- Here's why I rarely visit Lat g anymore --- because I hate wasting my time. And I've "over" having to load pics on somebody else's site just so I can load pictures here. Thus -- I just don't bother.


If and when I want to load a picture here ---- I first drag the photo to my desktop -- then I open it and "resize it" since it won't post in it's normally saved size -- I select the "1920 X 1080" in the drop down menu labeled "custom" -- Then I need to SAVE the resized photo -- then once I have gone thru all that BS -- I then use the "paper clip" icon on the thread post I'm working on -- and I use that popup window to find the resized photo I saved to the desktop -- I select the photo - choose "upload" - once it's uploaded -- I then (in that same window) drag the "address" that has now appeared (in blue) to the post..... and the picture then appears.


All of the above BS is why you won't see me posting pics of anything I'm building here anymore. Way too much of a waste of my time just to share with my friends.

[glassman]

yes, it was a pain in the butt. But, i learned something and i'm somewhat of a computer rookie.
Other things to do instead of "mastering the computer"
Also, met some good people thru the forums (excluding you and charlie :) )....so i've got that going for me lol

Off to go mountain biking...

[GregWeld]

yes, it was a pain in the butt. But, i learned something and i'm somewhat of a computer rookie.
Other things to do instead of "mastering the computer"
Also, met some good people thru the forums (excluding you and charlie :) )....so i've got that going for me lol

Off to go mountain biking...



You need some new friends...... LOL

[WSSix]

Very nice, Mike! Blue is such a great color on these cars.

[Sieg]

still cant get it too work. ive tried about a dozen different ways. the one pic a page back, worked, but wont any more. when i right click on the open pic, it does not say "copy image url" anywhere, nor at the icon in lower right (which wasnt there til i figured certain galleries have to be public.) That icon, when clicked, sends me to "pic size" before allowing me to copy. I tried copying the image to no avail. Also tried with the "mountain" icon on the reply (here) screen and putting between the irl's, stll nothing, only a link.

I think i got it, there is a third column labeled BBCODE , click there, copy, paste here, no need for the icon in "reply".......
Copy image address......

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xktJMwM/0/9d8901be/X2/i-xktJMwM-X2.png

[Sieg]

Mike --- Here's why I rarely visit Lat g anymore --- because I hate wasting my time. And I've "over" having to load pics on somebody else's site just so I can load pictures here. Thus -- I just don't bother.


If and when I want to load a picture here ---- I first drag the photo to my desktop -- then I open it and "resize it" since it won't post in it's normally saved size -- I select the "1920 X 1080" in the drop down menu labeled "custom" -- Then I need to SAVE the resized photo -- then once I have gone thru all that BS -- I then use the "paper clip" icon on the thread post I'm working on -- and I use that popup window to find the resized photo I saved to the desktop -- I select the photo - choose "upload" - once it's uploaded -- I then (in that same window) drag the "address" that has now appeared (in blue) to the post..... and the picture then appears.


All of the above BS is why you won't see me posting pics of anything I'm building here anymore. Way too much of a waste of my time just to share with my friends.

SmugMug is $48 a year, I know that's big coin for ya but it makes posting simple and secure.

Just do it........... https://secure.smugmug.com/signup?Coupon=achuJuglTx7pQ

[SSLance]

What I do is right click the image I want to share in smugmug and left click open in new tab. Once pic is open in new tab I just copy the url and paste it with [img] tags here.

Goes quick once you get used to it, no resizing necessary.

Car looks great!!! Now, go drive it somewhere!!

Greg, will you be at GGs in Dallas? If so, I'll see ya there.

[GregWeld]

What I do is right click the image I want to share in smugmug and left click open in new tab. Once pic is open in new tab I just copy the url and paste it with [img] tags here.

Goes quick once you get used to it, no resizing necessary.

Car looks great!!! Now, go drive it somewhere!!

Greg, will you be at GGs in Dallas? If so, I'll see ya there.

Well.... Yes and No. We arrive there (Fort Worth) on the 28th and I fly out on the 29th.
You should come down to Austin (Andice, TX) for our stop at CHRA - where we all get to see the '40 Ford P/U (amongst all the other cool cars and stuff). They should have some spray outs for me to approve.

[SSLance]

I'm driving down Wednesday the 27th, will get to hotel close to track late in evening. All day Thursday the 28th I'm in Sutton's workshop then have Thursday evening and all day Friday to fart around before heading home Sat morning.

[GregWeld]

I'm driving down Wednesday the 27th, will get to hotel close to track late in evening. All day Thursday the 28th I'm in Sutton's workshop then have Thursday evening and all day Friday to fart around before heading home Sat morning.

I could only get the one night (28th) at the hotel across the street from the track where the show is - The Marriot. I don't much care for car shows to begin with - and after driving for days - will be happy just to head out rather than trying to find some other hotel to stay at etc.

I'll get my fill of Sutton (LOL) when we're walking the PRI show in Indianapolis in December.

[SSLance]

Well, text me when you get into the Marriott and we'll at least meet for a bit to shake hands commiserate... :D

[glassman]

Copy image address......

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xktJMwM/0/9d8901be/X2/i-xktJMwM-X2.png

That did not work for me. i bought an upgraded plan (as i plan on using it for work too), may be that has something to do with it. But copy image address only gave me a link.

The icon, then BBCODE, copy and paste worked....

[fleet]

https://s20.postimg.org/v62p8h44d/IMG_9811.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/bbgnmcowp/)

Looks great Mike. :thumbsup:

[65 347]

Mike
It's about time you posted pictures, the car looks awesome!

Mike

[glassman]

Mike
It's about time you posted pictures, the car looks awesome!

Mike

Go a few pages back!!! Plus, photobucket scandel.
thanx though lol...

thanx Skip for resizing them and reposting, your pic of my pic makes it look like a sic pic

[glassman]

Now i desperately need those rims brushed or polished....my painter cleared them and they came out silver/gray, no bueno

[fleet]

thanx Skip for resizing them and reposting, your pic of my pic makes it look like a sic pic

Haha...

Actually Mike aka 'Big Dawg' Glassman, other than running it thru the IOS image enhancer, and loading it on to the FREE www.postimg.org, which is free, (which must have resized it)....for FREE.



:P

[tterbo]

Great looking car!

[glassman]

Haha...

Actually Mike aka 'Big Dawg' Glassman, other than running it thru the IOS image enhancer, and loading it on to the FREE www.postimg.org, which is free, (which must have resized it)....for FREE.



:P

Wait, what? Lol, pictures and microsoft for me are like oil and water

Great looking car!

thanx, you been a member since 2006? wow, great site.

Mike
It's about time you posted pictures, the car looks awesome!

Mike

did u see the other pics? are they viewable?(publicly?)

[MtotheIKEo]

Car looks great! Any more details on the front and rear window trim?

[Spiffav8]

Now i desperately need those rims brushed or polished....my painter cleared them and they came out silver/gray, no bueno

Brushed centers with a polished lip is always a win.

[glassman]

Car looks great! Any more details on the front and rear window trim?

sorry, missed this. The glass is OEM Pilkington classics (they bought LOF years ago which was OEM on ford and gm and back and forth)

the primer/paint around the glass is a 3M product and the rubber weather strip is a generic Steele Rubber one and i flipped it upside down for that look.

[glassman]

A few cosemetic upgrades. Wheels, engine detail (while i was in a splint recovering from a broken knee, can only sit for so long right?) and my rear seat delete becoming a "luggage" shelf with a couple of compartments.

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-v6vtbK6/0/f0808485/L/IMG_1694-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-v6vtbK6/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-rzvVC4P/0/02b41722/L/IMG_1703-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-rzvVC4P/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-PNfxqr3/0/2401def3/L/IMG_1695-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-PNfxqr3/A)

[glassman]

Dont know how the heck this one got in here...:y0!:

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-zwQnVxB/0/43544e1b/L/IMG_1789-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-zwQnVxB/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-c35QZKD/0/86dac606/L/IMG_1846-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-c35QZKD/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-WCd9hPq/0/30cb1ecc/L/IMG_1853-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-WCd9hPq/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-pcnQpMs/0/32ca2306/L/IMG_1856-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-pcnQpMs/A)
https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-JczdJx4/0/71c8421d/L/IMG_1796-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-JczdJx4/A)

[tubbed69]

Car is looking great Mike:thumbsup:

[Goosesdad]

Looking great Mike!!

[glassman]

Car is looking great Mike:thumbsup:

Looking great Mike!!

thanx, pretty stoked with it at this point. I turned it into a "protouring" rather than a track beast, but i'm dying to get back out there on the trac. Now that its almost sorted out of phase III, i'll be able to get a couple of trac days in once time permits.....

[SSLance]

About time we got to see the progress...Looks great!

[fleet]

I had Ferdinand look this thread over Mike...the bike rack photo puzzles him.

https://s20.postimg.cc/6xpqojqal/63_B42_CFF-9_E5_A-424_E-_A06_E-_AD60_C8_E18894.jpg (https://postimages.cc/)

:P

[glassman]

I had Ferdinand look this thread over Mike...the bike rack photo puzzles him.

https://s20.postimg.cc/6xpqojqal/63_B42_CFF-9_E5_A-424_E-_A06_E-_AD60_C8_E18894.jpg (https://postimages.cc/)

:P

A "fellow" member here.....not me😏

[fleet]

A "fellow" member here.....not me😏

Yep...I know who the guilty party is.

But you re-posting it makes you a co-conspirator...Bruh!


:D

[syborg tt]

I can't wait to see how this turns out as I love the idea and I love direction you are going. The way it looks you are almost going Singer Style.

ps that's an interesting bike rack you got there. :thankyou:

Dont know how the heck this one got in here...:y0!:

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-c35QZKD/0/86dac606/L/IMG_1846-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-c35QZKD/A)

https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-WCd9hPq/0/30cb1ecc/L/IMG_1853-L.jpg (https://mikearmienti.smugmug.com/My-First-Gallery/i-WCd9hPq/A)

[glassman]

About time we got to see the progress...Looks great!

Joining the jack stand class makes me one of the kool kids....:poke:

[glassman]

I can't wait to see how this turns out as I love the idea and I love direction you are going. The way it looks you are almost going Singer Style.

ps that's an interesting bike rack you got there. :thankyou:

Oh, that new white one, sort of a cream white, with the ducky. My favorite singer yet

[Panteracer]

Mike
Any storage under the back shelf?
Wanting to put my battery and sump
accumulator under a shelf like yours

Bob

[glassman]

Trying to Bob, right know it looks like not now. I'm making these panels removable so when track time comes it'll shave off bout 50lbs or so. So right now, just a luggage shelf....