Painted the Track Rat..

[Steve1968LS2]

And it was never racking.. trying to do something "different" is a pain! Now I know why every other car is red. :)

Was going for '53 Porsche Azure blue.. but Dupont couldn't find the formula.. thier first try was WAY dark. So we used the Atlas color chart and found what we thought was close.

Turns out it's brighter.. like a darker Laguna Seca blue.. it's pretty and when it gets kitted out with trim/wheels/stuff it will really pop.

Next week we assemble Track Rat and Jon at Best Of Show will lay down the CF and blood red graphics.. we will also be doing a tatoo on the lower front fenders.


http://i48.tinypic.com/15sal3d.jpg

[James OLC]

Looks great Steve! :thumbsup:

[camcojb]

That does look great, and nice to hear from you again. :thumbsup:

[Cole]

Looks good. I agree the trim and wheels will set it off.

[Flash68]

That's a pretty cool lookin color. Definitely different. :D :thumbsup:

[Frankenstine]

:thumbsup: LOOKING GOOD Mr, Steve :thumbsup:

[Jr]

Color looks cool.
What are the build plans for the car again? Does this car have a tci or chassis works suspension?

[Steve1968LS2]

Color looks cool.
What are the build plans for the car again? Does this car have a tci or chassis works suspension?

Chassisworks stuff.. The front will be thier sub with the new spindles they showed at SEMA. Brakes are Wilwood.

The paint has been waiting for Chassisworks new cage to arrive.. but I finally got tired of putting it off and painted.. the next day they called and said it was ready to ship. lol.. we should be able to weld it in without hurting the paint since the cage has a nice design that makes this easier.

Forgeline wheels (darker centers/polished hoops).. 582 fuel inject high-rpm big-block tied to a a T56 Magnum back to the 9-inch. Later we will upgrade the rear to Chassisworks new floater.

[GregWeld]

Glad to see this AND you have been revived!


Love the color.:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Wow...

Really like the color and motor choice.:cool:

What led to the EFI 582 being used?

Also, what are the specs on it?

[KPC67]

I agree with Greg, I was wondering what you have been up to..
I love that blue! cant wait to see it with some goodies on.

[Vegas69]

Baby blue..... It will look nice next to the orange one.:D

[coolwelder62]

I like the color.Nice change.:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Wow...

Really like the color and motor choice.:cool:

What led to the EFI 582 being used?

Also, what are the specs on it?

Dart BigM block.. 335 Dart heads.. Lunati crank, lightweight I-beam rods, Wiseco pistons.

COMP four-lobe cam (hyd) with short travel lifters and a set of T&D shaft rockers. Will start with a carb and then move to an EFI system.

I did the big-block for the sake of the magazine.. I would rather have an LS, but I readers don't want every project to be a darn LS engine. Later I can swap if I want, but the BB should be fun and not a lot heavier than the blown LS I was going to put in the car.

Besides, Track RAT should have a RAT engine.. right?

[Steve1968LS2]

Baby blue..... It will look nice next to the orange one.:D

It's to lull you into a sense of overconfidence.. :)

Besides, the Gulf cars were REALLY baby blue.. and they were sorta fast.

I know it's not a trend-setting as black.. but it's somethin' ;)

[Rybar]

Cool colour Steve, glad to see you back on the site as well. :thumbsup:

If I am not mistaken you have the quarters and fenders stretched on this car correct?

That BB sounds very cool. Got any pictures of it or any other parts/build shots of the car you can post?

[Matt@BOS]

It's to lull you into a sense of overconfidence.. :)

Besides, the Gulf cars were REALLY baby blue.. and they were sorta fast.

I know it's not a trend-setting as black.. but it's somethin' ;)

Steve, you must be ahead of the curve, like those people in San Francisco. :lol:

[waynieZ]

Steve, you must be ahead of the curve, like those people in San Francisco. :lol:

LOL !

[Steve1968LS2]

Steve, you must be ahead of the curve, like those people in San Francisco. :lol:

You would know better than I.. isn't that where you got the idea for the purple on your car?

:mock:

[Flash68]

I know it's not a trend-setting as black.. but it's somethin' ;)

:lmao:

Steve, you must be ahead of the curve, like those people in San Francisco. :lol:

Whoa whoa whoa.... :bitchslap:

[GregWeld]

Baby blue..... It will look nice next to the orange one.:D




So..... if we're keeping score it's what? Two to None??




:lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Steve. I recall seeing John prepping the body last year and it looked good!

Oh, and...

:ttiwop:

[69x22]

Love the color. That rat ought to scream .

[Vegas69]

So..... if we're keeping score it's what? Two to None??




:lol:

Depends on how you keep score...:relax:

[Vegas69]

It's to lull you into a sense of overconfidence.. :)

Besides, the Gulf cars were REALLY baby blue.. and they were sorta fast.

I know it's not a trend-setting as black.. but it's somethin' ;)

Honestly, I like it.. You have to be from CA and in touch with your feminine side but hey, it's 2013. :poke: :cheers:

[Roberts68]

Congrats Steve. I recall seeing John prepping the body last year and it looked good!

Oh, and...

:ttiwop:

I saw the pic earlier from work and tried to share it with Jodi tonight, all I get is a placeholder, no image now.:headscratch:

[FETorino]

And it was never racking.. trying to do something "different" is a pain! Now I know why every other car is red. :)

Was going for '53 Porsche Azure blue.. but Dupont couldn't find the formula.. thier first try was WAY dark. So we used the Atlas color chart and found what we thought was close.

Turns out it's brighter.. like a darker Laguna Seca blue.. it's pretty and when it gets kitted out with trim/wheels/stuff it will really pop.

Next week we assemble Track Rat and Jon at Best Of Show will lay down the CF and blood red graphics.. we will also be doing a tatoo on the lower front fenders.


http://i48.tinypic.com/15sal3d.jpg


Love that color.:thumbsup:

[Matt@BOS]

You would know better than I.. isn't that where you got the idea for the purple on your car?

:mock:

You kidding' me? I could start a business selling bottles of touch up paint as nail polish to all the women who get dragged to car shows. And to think I wanted to just paint it gray.

[fleetus macmullitz]

You kidding' me? I could start a business selling bottles of touch up paint as nail polish to all the women who get dragged to car shows. And to think I wanted to just paint it gray.

Matt,

Not everyone hates the purple.

You just need to embrace your true target market.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/barneyjpg-261109b066ee4040_zpsb9db560e.jpg

[FETorino]

That reminds me of my friends 67 Pontiac Convertible that he painted Raspberry Pink about 1989. He sold the car a few years later, but it was close to that shade above. Purple has always been popular since the 60's.


Jeff

when you call it Plum Crazy maybe. :rolleyes: Otherwise not so much:D

[214Chevy]

I'll vote blue all day long. I love blue. Very beautiful.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Wow, I missed that fact. Assuming all aluminum? Projected power? I'm assuming 825-850hp and 775-800 ft lbs. And I thought you broke parts on Penny. :lol:

[FETorino]

Here is a vintage Torino that was painted purple and white. You should paint your car this color too! Dick Trickle won a pile of races from 1969-1971 racing a Torino all over Wisconsin and surrounding area.

It was also purple and white and had his familiar #99. :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:


http://i45.tinypic.com/1yjr6s.jpg

Thank god most the pictures black then were black and white.:lmao: :lmao:

[Steve1968LS2]

Wow, I missed that fact. Assuming all aluminum? Projected power? I'm assuming 825-850hp and 775-800 ft lbs. And I thought you broke parts on Penny. :lol:

I never broke an engine on Penny.. just BS parts like PS pumps and sway bar ends..

No, iron block.. I'm not a baller like you.. But, lightweight internals and a shaft rocker system.. I'm doing it for my non-LS readers and because I just want to tinker with something different. Later I envision an LS swap.

Going conservative on the power.. 760ish hp and 750ish tq..

[Steve1968LS2]

steve what is the bore and stroke of the engine, and how hard are you planning to turn it? what comp ratio...

what efi set up are you going to run?

im soo proud of you stepping up to some bbc power....you gooo boiy:thumbsup:

4.600 bore on a 4.375 stroke crank.. Lunati lightweight stuff.. targeted compression ratio of 10.7:1 .. new COMP four-lobe hyd cam and a T&D shaft rocker system.. hope to make peak power at 6400 and rev to just under 7000.. Haven't finished spec'ing out the cam yet.

Carb at first then a FAST EFI .. the new one that can support up to 1000 hp.

[GregWeld]

Love the color -- it's sure to make all the magazines... Well... at least one for sure. :D


It will also be interesting to read / hear about the true differences of running the weight on the nose and the comparisons to Penny / LS motor etc. It might just be that we'll learn there's not that big of a deal with an extra couple hundred pounds up there - or we might learn what it takes to overcome that - or maybe we'll find out that there's a myth being busted. Who knows -- but it for sure will make great fun to live with Steve thru this adventure!



:popcorn2: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Going conservative on the power.. 760ish hp and 750ish tq..

582 fuel inject high-rpm big-block

4.600 bore on a 4.375 stroke crank.. Lunati lightweight stuff.. targeted compression ratio of 10.7:1 .. new COMP four-lobe hyd cam and a T&D shaft rocker system.. hope to make peak power at 6400 and rev to just under 7000.. Haven't finished spec'ing out the cam yet.

Carb at first then a FAST EFI .. the new one that can support up to 1000 hp.

Thank you for doing a non-LS. :thumbsup:

With your cam/shaft rocker/rev plans, I bet you are easily over 800 hp with that thing. :guns:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Later I envision an LS swap.




And this thread had gotten off to such a good start...

lol

[Flash68]

And this thread had gotten off to such a good start...

lol

:computer: :D

[Vegas69]

I never broke an engine on Penny.. just BS parts like PS pumps and sway bar ends..

No, iron block.. I'm not a baller like you.. But, lightweight internals and a shaft rocker system.. I'm doing it for my non-LS readers and because I just want to tinker with something different. Later I envision an LS swap.

Going conservative on the power.. 760ish hp and 750ish tq..

Says the guy with two Camaros to my none. :action-smiley-027: I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed it won't be aluminum. Those aftermarket steel blocks are tanks. You may want to consider the fact that if you did build it with an aluminum block, you may never lust for an LS. Especially since you are going to inject it. It's 4k now or alot more later to change it or ls swap.

Your hp/tq numbers look super conservative for a higher winder. I'm sure you are just playing coy...

Greg, weight is ALWAYS a disadvantage in racing. :mock: To what degree remains unseen.

[GregWeld]

That is very true, a friend of mine has Dart Merlin block and in the past it was built with aluminum rods and Lunati Pro Series crank. Dynoed around 865 hp with high compression 510, but he rather have an LS motor. Just to expensive to change over now. Currently, it is being rebuilt, but he has to inject lot of NOS to be competitive with the LSX engines.

Stielow's Mayhem 427 engine has less cubic inches and the LS9, still made more hp than a big block on pump gas. Not sure why anyone want a big block.

Jeff



That would be the merger of Bill Mitchell and Dart? Two SEPARATE companies... I think you meant to say he has a Dart BIG M block...



Some guys are still dinosaurs... big inches, big weight, and carburetors.... Go figure. :bitchslap: :D

[FETorino]

Some guys are still dinosaurs... big inches, big weight, and carburetors.... Go figure. :bitchslap: :D

I got you covered on two of the three. I may even run Dino Oil in mine just to go with the theme.:D

:popcorn2:

[NOPANTS68]

Having done both the LSX and the BBC thing, I'll take my BBCs all day long. While the future is forever bright with the LSX gear, there's just simply nothing like unleashing 582 cubes on the street with a stick. And dare I say- they just look soooo much better.

Great choice on the color Steve. Reminds me of the M cars Laguna Seca Blue.

[BBC71Nova]

BBC huh? Now that's what I'm talking about :)

Car looks great. Can't wait till it starts coming together.

[Sieg]

I got you covered on two of the three. I may even run Dino Oil in mine just to go with the theme.:D

:popcorn2:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yTTSobTgL._SL500_SS500_.jpg

:popcorn2:

[Steve1968LS2]

And this thread had gotten off to such a good start...

lol

Hey, Penny went through 4-5 engines.. it's just the nature of what I do..

And for handling, the big-block is a LOT of weight to work around.. but who knows, if it works well I certainly won't change it..

But deep down, I am an LS guy.. still love me?

[Steve1968LS2]

i waiting to see the dyno numbers from steves engine with the carb and efi.....i bet you will be surprised how well the carb makes hp

Every test like this I've done (carb to EFI) was just how you stated..the carb made more peak, the EFI made more low end.. the benefits to the EFI come with starting and it's ability to tune based on conditions.

But the carb ALWAYS makes more power.. always..

[Steve1968LS2]

That is very true, a friend of mine has Dart Merlin block and in the past it was built with aluminum rods and Lunati Pro Series crank. Dynoed around 865 hp with high compression 510, but he rather have an LS motor. Just to expensive to change over now. Currently, it is being rebuilt, but he has to inject lot of NOS to be competitive with the LSX engines.

Stielow's Mayhem 427 engine has less cubic inches and the LS9, still made more hp than a big block on pump gas. Not sure why anyone want a big block.

Jeff

I would guess that Stilows blown engine (with the intercooler and related "stuff") is creeping towards NA big-block weight.. my guess is just over a 100 pounds more for the big block. We will weigh it all to see when we build it.

But, it's hard to beat the torque production, especially down low, of a huge displacement big-block.. and blowers get hot and stop making as much power..

[fleetus macmullitz]

But deep down, I am an LS guy.. still love me?

Yeah sure...if you're offering a discounted CP subscription.

:D


I get the whole LS thing.

Had one in our AWD Buick Rainier, the 5.3L. A lot of trouble free miles and it was impressively smooth.

But say in a Camaro, it seems some are willing to give up the advantages an LSX has for the unmistakable and irreplaceable noise a BBC makes. Some mention they strongly prefer the look a BBC has as well, so that's a factor obviously too.

Bottom line IMO is that Mopar, Ford and GM rodders all have plenty of new tech/old skool motor options.

[WSSix]

But say in a Camaro, it seems some are willing to give up the advantages an LSX has for the unmistakable and irreplaceable noise a BBC makes. Some mention they strongly prefer the look a BBC has as well, so that's a factor obviously too.

Bottom line IMO is that Mopar, Ford and GM rodders all have plenty of new tech/old skool motor options.

SBC is the same way for many including myself. IMO, a cammed LTx/SBC sounds better than an LSx. The LSx engines are fantastic engines but it's good to see variety and for people to try out alternatives. Having options makes the world go round. I really liked the original plan with TrackRat using the 5.3 but this BBC is a great idea as well.

[Streetking]

Love the color Steve, can't wait to see everything done!

[Steve1968LS2]

Try 200LBs, you need to use an aftermarket block for that bore. The weight is 270lbs bare, now add your crank, rods, heads, etc. It is a tank! My friend's 1969 Camaro SS (Original 396) car, he drag races it. He had several big blocks in it. 396 with 500hp, 496 with aluminum rods and lunati crank. The 496 was rather cool, because it rev to 8000 rpm with those rods. (I have been in the car, when it revved that high). I think it was around 775hp. The 454 block lasted a few years, so he went to merlin block. He his biggest complaint is the weight.

I have to estimate the weight of LS7 bare, but probably around 100 to 120lbs. I have a supercharged LS3 418 as well, but blower is not much weight. Your intercooler heat exchanger is just an extra radiator outside of radiator. You also are redistributing that added weight, which is not much to other parts of the car. While with the big block, it will be with the engine.

My little LS3 418 with Harrop TVS 2300, made around 787 ft/lbs of torque at 3900 rpm. I am still making around 640 ft/lbs of torque to about 5600. The dyno had issues of keeping up with the torque, but it was running rather cool. All engines get hot Steve, but that is why you depend on a good design for cooling.. All my friends have big blocks. Yes, the do have a unique sound, but you feel it. I had it before in another engine...

Jeff

I was talking an LS with a blower (and the associated stuff) compared to the carb big-block.. but you could still be right.. I will do weights to see.

And the LS engine I was going to run had the LSX iron block, so the weight was even closer.

But yea, big-blocks are heavier.. :)

[sevillaz28]

My 67 is an original 396 car retaining the original 396 that has been worked over by me and is putting out a little over 600hp. You just need to move the engine around a little to displace the weight. I think if my memory is correct, the difference between a loaded supercharged LS and a loaded built Big Block using aluminum heads is around 145lbs. I love LS engines but it seems every body has one so I'm sticking with the big block. I have an LS7 that I was going to use but it can sit. My car is undergoing a face lift and will be getting a new 427 supercharged big block engine and a few other goodies.

Hope to hit the track in May. My other track toy has taken a turn for the worst with cancer.

[BBC71Nova]

The weight killer is the aftermarket 4.5" bore blocks. They are awesome platforms and super stout but dayum they are heavy. Like 260lbs or something. The aftermarket aluminum blocks are ~160 I think. The ZL1 comes in at a flyweight ~110. I think the extra 50cubes available with the aftermarket block can more than offset the 50lbs though for even money on the aluminum blocks.

IIRC I saw the weight on an LS blower kit recently and it was over 100lbs. So surely a "basic" aluminum BBC build is pretty close to an LS w/blower, intercooler, etc. Can't wait to see the actual numbers in CP.

[tones2SS]

BBC huh? Now that's what I'm talking about :)

Car looks great. Can't wait till it starts coming together.

^^I agree. I like the color and like what you have planned.

[Stuart Adams]

Love the color Steve. Should look fantastic.

[JohnC]

Hi Steve,

Looks like a fun build--color is different and unique. Look forward to seeing it on the ground with some big rubber.

I haven't seen anywhere what suspension you plan on using? Do you have a stock pile of Lateral Dynamics 3-links? :peepwall: ...:D :lol:

Hope Penny doesn't get jealous.. then she'd be "mad" penny..:rolleyes: :D

John

[Vegas69]

I found that an aluminum block LSX with a blower is marginally heavier to marginally lighter than my old ZL1 car based on some scale weights I have seen. The LSX with a steel block would gain 50 lbs easy. I'm going to say the difference between a blown LSX with steel block vs. big block/iron block aluminum heads is right in the 120-130lb range.

[MarkM66]

Chevrolet states the zz502 crate engine (iron block al. heads) carb to pan w/distributor weighs 611 lbs.

http://www.chevroletperformance.com/_res/pdf/CrateEngineQRC2010.pdf

ZL1 427, carb to pan w/ distributor weighs 460 lbs.

Summit states the 502 block weighs 269 lbs.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-19170540/overview/

And the Dart Big M block with 4.5" bore weighs 260 lbs.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/drt-31263444/overview/

[BBC71Nova]

There's always the LSM Block Lightening (http://www.lsmeng.com/Block-Lightening.html) option. :)

With this you can get that fat Big M down to only 2x the weight of an LS3 block. :poke:

Not sure we'll ever know for sure but I think Todd's ZL1 setup couldn't have been much more, and likely less, the weight of an LS3 w/blower. The LS3 and ZL1 blocks are pretty close in weight. The BBC internals and heads are certainly heavier but I'm not sure they are 70-80lbs heavier to make up for the blower. Oh, and what about those 7 extra coils? HA! too funny.

Hot rods allow each of us to do whatever suits us. I like the big block personally. If I were planning to track it competitively or put a lot of miles on it, then the LS platform would likely be my choice. Although, if that were the case I'm not sure I'd be starting with 40 y/o equipment. If I can run a BBC and get within 100lbs or so of an LS I'll be happy.

Now that I think about it... Hot Rod did a story a few years back where they swapped a bunch of different crate engines into a yellow Chevelle. That article covered the weight difference of each of the crate engines. IIRC the LS crate w/accessories, ecm, wiring may have even weighed more than the carb'd ZZ4 SBC crate. Maybe I can dig it out of the stash.

[intocarss]

pretty trick how they prep their blocks..

Hot Honing
Hot honing a block involves heating the block
with hot oil to simulate thermal distortions of a
running motor followed by honing the cylinder
bores. The result is cylinders that are round
and form a superior seal when the engine in
running.

QMP DOES THIS AND CAN LIGHTEN BLOCKS

[Steve Chryssos]

I dig the color. Looking forward to seeing it with stripes.

[Steve1968LS2]

And here it is out in the sunshine..

Brighter than I expected.. but I'm liking it.. has a more "steel" tone to it in person that's hard to capture on camera.

http://i53.tinypic.com/33jsqrp.jpg

[GregWeld]

Looks fantastic Steve!


It's the color of a lot of this years ski clothing.


Do you need some help with your photography??? :bitchslap: :D

[Sieg]

And here it is out in the sunshine..

Brighter than I expected.. but I'm liking it.. has a more "steel" tone to it in person that's hard to capture on camera.

I like it on screen, strikes me as a unique color on a First Gen. :thumbsup: Interested in seeing how you accent it.

[srh3trinity]

I think that color is going to be great with the stripe theme.

[JohnC]

At least in the sun pic, it looks pretty similiar to grabber blue....

[KPC67]

As the guy says on the hemi commercials when dodge started putting them in their trucks again ( early 2000's)

SWEET

[Steve1968LS2]

is that a solid blue or is it a metalic blue, cant tell with the sun on it....

Solid.. easier to repair.. not that I have plans to crash.. but ... lol

[frankv11]

I have always like that color just never had the nuts to paint one.

[youthpastor]

you'll love it even more with the graphics, wheels and trim- it really will pop

[Ketzer]

That color is fantastic! I'm also diggin all the LS vs BBC chatter, keep it coming!


Jeff-

[sevillaz28]

I should be finished with my engine in a few weeks, just working out the Supercharger set up. To settle the weight guess i will put mine on a scale to get the weight with it fully loaded, i can put my LS7 on it this weekend but its not loaded but close.

[sevillaz28]

BTW, its nice to see a color thats not so standard. This is my problem at the moment. Picking a color is a pain in the butt.

Looks really good in the sun.

[Al Moreno]

I'm digging it!!!

[Sparks67]

I should be finished with my engine in a few weeks, just working out the Supercharger set up. To settle the weight guess i will put mine on a scale to get the weight with it fully loaded, i can put my LS7 on it this weekend but its not loaded but close.

Actually, the best person to do the comparison is Steve. He could do it as part of the story to compare the weight of a supercharged LS3 or supercharged LS7 vs BBC engine.
I pulled my posts, because it really is Steve's thread. Steve could develop a standard set of variables for the weight of the engine. This would need to be applied to both engines. I would recommend that he do both engine dyno test and chassis engine testing for the weight.
Actually, there is some components that I had to buy later after the dyno test. One was heat exchanger for the intercooler, because it based on your engine HP and your vehicle.

1) Costs of the engines with labor. (I seen costs in a few posts, but I have yet to see it in magazine. You might have bought an 13K BBC in early 2000, but do to inflation and labor rates. Expect to pay more)
2) Fuel economy of both engines. - (Actually, I switched from 612 Hp (383 SBC) to the supercharged engine, but it was mainly because of fuel. I have owned 3 SBC for my 67 RS Camaro, but the new LS engines are much nicer if you get to see the inside of one. (I had a leaky rear main seal on my first SBC engine, but my 2000 5.3L Silverado truck has never leaked a drop.)

The most common LS superchargers being used: weight could vary
1) LS9
2) Harrop TVS 2300 Rear drive version
3) Harrop TVS 2300 FDFI (Front Drive)
4) Magnacharger TVS 2300


Jeff

[Steve1968LS2]

I adjusted my Hermance rendering to match new paint better.. I think I got pretty close, for an amature.

We went a shade darker on the red to make up for the brighter blue..

http://i50.tinypic.com/332ci0k.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

Actually, the best person to do the comparison is Steve. He could do it as part of the story to compare the weight of a supercharged LS3 or supercharged LS7 vs BBC engine.
I pulled my posts, because it really is Steve's thread. Steve could develop a standard set of variables for the weight of the engine. This would need to be applied to both engines. I would recommend that he do both engine dyno test and chassis engine testing for the weight.
Actually, there is some components that I had to buy later after the dyno test. One was heat exchanger for the intercooler, because it based on your engine HP and your vehicle.

1) Costs of the engines with labor. (I seen costs in a few posts, but I have yet to see it in magazine. You might have bought an 13K BBC in early 2000, but do to inflation and labor rates. Expect to pay more)
2) Fuel economy of both engines. - (Actually, I switched from 612 Hp (383 SBC) to the supercharged engine, but it was mainly because of fuel. I have owned 3 SBC for my 67 RS Camaro, but the new LS engines are much nicer if you get to see the inside of one. (I had a leaky rear main seal on my first SBC engine, but my 2000 5.3L Silverado truck has never leaked a drop.)

The most common LS superchargers being used: weight could vary
1) LS9
2) Harrop TVS 2300 Rear drive version
3) Harrop TVS 2300 FDFI (Front Drive)
4) Magnacharger TVS 2300


Jeff

Consider it a done deal.. I have the weight of the Maggy TVS2300.. I just need the rest :)

[Sparks67]

Consider it a done deal.. I have the weight of the Maggy TVS2300.. I just need the rest :)

Your PM box is full, but I can send an email to Harrop to get the weights of the superchargers. Unless you want to do that.

Jeff

[Steve1968LS2]

steve, are you putting a carbon fiber front end on it? looks awesome....

Just the hood and front/rear valance.. so I save some weight over the top of the big-block.. lol

[Sieg]

Looks very good Steve. :thumbsup:

Are the stripe and caliper going to be color matched?

[Gordz32]

Looks great outside:thumbsup: . Weren't you going to do a matte finish on this car?

[Steve1968LS2]

Looks great outside:thumbsup: . Weren't you going to do a matte finish on this car?

Yea, but we sprayed out a panel and did some experiments.. found out that it wouldn't hold up.

Can't buff out cone rash.. can't get out bird crap stains.. just too touchy.. would look great at first then turn of junk in 6 months.

[Steve1968LS2]

Getting cut and buffed by Jon.. Makita Blue??? lol

Oh, and the big-block is going dry sump :)

http://i50.tinypic.com/rwntj5.jpg

[camcojb]

Looks great Steve.

[Greg from Aus]

Looks fantastic.

Greg

[Lenie]

^What he said!

[Sieg]

Oh, and the big-block is going dry sump :)

:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :G-Dub:

The Makita Blue looks good! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

Looks great Steve. Almost looks like Ford's Grabber Blue.

[Ummgawa]

Very nice. Is there a graphics shot somewhere? Rendering?

[Steve1968LS2]

Very nice. Is there a graphics shot somewhere? Rendering?

http://i45.tinypic.com/2s0xq8y.jpg

[intocarss]

Love that color

[waynieZ]

It looks great Steve, and belated Happy Birthday!

[elitecustombody]

I dig the color.:thumbsup:

Why didn't you paint the carbon graphics? Kinda like this

http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/484528_269667266483267_672885596_n.jpg

No tape lines,all slick and under the clear:)

[Steve1968LS2]

Starting the cut and buff at Best Of Show.. you can get an idea of the rear stretch here.

Moroso is working out the dry sump deal.. thinking of putting the sump tank in the trunk. After all, I need to save all the weight I can off the front.

http://i50.tinypic.com/124ikau.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

when will the engine hit the dyno?

I have the block and heads.. just paid for the lightweight Lunati rods so that stuff is "in process"

Thor at Moroso is working out the oil system.. I'm sad to say it will be over a month to gather up all the stuff.

Right now I need a bigger tig welder for the cage, the bars are crazy thick (.185-inch or so)

[Al Moreno]

Looking great Steve. I guess the budget plan build went out the window, LOL Is the goal to one up Bad Penny?

[Steve1968LS2]

Looking great Steve. I guess the budget plan build went out the window, LOL Is the goal to one up Bad Penny?

That died a long time ago.. originally I wanted to do a REAL budget build.. with a stock subframe (Gulstrand mod), leaf springs and simple stuff.

Well, once I was asked to run a fancy suspension that went out the window. Also, at this point I'm building a car to "replace" Penny.

The irony is that it will NOT be faster than Penny.. might be faster on the drag strip or standing mile, but not in the twisties.. Penny was built using many one off and proto parts.

Track Rat will be a FUN car.. and to be honest I'm more interested in having fun then doing the whole "one upping the Joneses" in terms of building the fastest car out there, especially since I can't compete with many of the hotshoe drivers out there. So, the plan is fun :)

And since this car is "replacing" Penny, I need it to be of a certain standard.

At least the '67 I'm building if pretty budget.. still not what I would really want to do if I could do things my way.

[Sieg]

So, the plan is fun :)


Good for you!

At some point in time Penny belongs in a museum, she's iconic IMO. :thumbsup:

[BBC71Nova]

Which Lunati rods are you going to run? Their 4340 setup like these or is there something else out there that I haven't seen yet :D. I've been looking at going with a set of these myself. Supposed to be a real nice rod.

http://www.lunatipower.com/Media/Images/Medium/I-beam%20WEBSITE%20.jpg

Thanks,
John

[Steve1968LS2]

Which Lunati rods are you going to run? Their 4340 setup like these or is there something else out there that I haven't seen yet :D. I've been looking at going with a set of these myself. Supposed to be a real nice rod.

http://www.lunatipower.com/Media/Images/Medium/I-beam%20WEBSITE%20.jpg

Thanks,
John

I do believe that's the one.. my "good guy" price is still way over a grand.. but I'm sorta hard on engines, so going with good stuff is the way to go. lol

But I will double check on Monday the exact rod number.

[Flash68]

Moroso is working out the dry sump deal.. thinking of putting the sump tank in the trunk. After all, I need to save all the weight I can off the front.



I'm liking these beast more and more each day. :D

I too and looking to make room in the trunk for the dry sump tank. I am wondering if you are going to find it as tough as I am finding it to be, at least for a properly sized tank (4+ gallons for me).

What tank size is Moroso recommending for that monster?

You running a cell or a Rick's Vaporworx deal?

[Steve1968LS2]

Jon Linstrom cuttin' and buffin' ... what a long and tedious process.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2gybv6d.jpg

[Payton King]

posting some good stuff.

Have you found a buyer for Penny or putting her up for sale after this car is completed?

[Ketzer]

I know its only pictures on the internet but that color is really impressive!
...and as a fellow BBC owner, I'm also glad you are trying your best to embrace the old heavyweight!


Jeff-

[89 RS]

That paint and color look awesome. I also like your idea of having "fun" with the car and not just trying to be the fastest car out there. Look forward to seeing more of what you come up with Steve.

[Steve1968LS2]

That paint and color look awesome. I also like your idea of having "fun" with the car and not just trying to be the fastest car out there. Look forward to seeing more of what you come up with Steve.

Well,

1. I'm not the fastest driver.. so even with the fastest (or close to) car like BP I'm still not at the top of the heap.. so why sweat it?

2. Guys are building crazy pseudo-racecars.. I don't feel like entering that arms race.

3. Sometimes I feel that the "fun" aspect is getting replaced by too much of the "competition" aspect.

4. Set low expectations and look like a hero! lol

[eric1967]

Well,

1. I'm not the fastest driver.. so even with the fastest (or close to) car like BP I'm still not at the top of the heap.. so why sweat it?

2. Guys are building crazy pseudo-racecars.. I don't feel like entering that arms race.

3. Sometimes I feel that the "fun" aspect is getting replaced by too much of the "competition" aspect.

4. Set low expectations and look like a hero! lol

I agree. We all get caught up in going faster than the next guy.

[6D9 Matt]

Cannot wait to see this completed.

Looking great bud. :thumbsup:

[Hardluck13]

Any updates?

[Tony_SS]

Bad Penny stripe

[syborg tt]

3. Sometimes I feel that the "fun" aspect is getting replaced by too much of the "competition" aspect.

4. Set low expectations and look like a hero! lol

and this is how it should be. Build and have fun with it.

Heck I set my expectation so low I put a Mountain bike rack on the side of my 2nd gen.

[syborg tt]

"I put a Mountain bike rack on the side of my 2nd gen" pics or it didn't happen

http://garagescene.net/gallery3/index.php/Builders/Sportmachines/702ndChance/2012-04-26-2nd-Chance-Camaro-005

yep it happened

[Tony_SS]

http://garagescene.net/gallery3/index.php/Builders/Sportmachines/702ndChance/2012-04-26-2nd-Chance-Camaro-005

yep it happened

That has to be a first.. love it!

[Chassisworks]

Now THAT is Pro-Touring!

[Steve1968LS2]

Together for the painting of the graphics.. next week is gonna be fun!

http://i34.tinypic.com/or410o.jpg

The car is back on the ground now since we started putting on the front suspension.. that Chassisworks stuff is REALLY nice from a fit/finish standpoint.. Here's thier bumpsteer kit...

http://i36.tinypic.com/dyzyd.jpg

We also moved to thier new splined front sway bar. Nice adjustability and the parts are badass looking...

http://i38.tinypic.com/2igc9c3.jpg

[waynieZ]

Nice looking parts.

[WicKeD_SS]

Nice update! Cant wait to see more Steve!

[Gordz32]

Looking good Steve

[tones2SS]

Looking great Steve. Looking forward to seeing more updates on that bad boy.

[Dayton]

When I finished my car in 2009, everyone gave me carp about, 1)502 Ram Jet, and, Chassisworks front clip and back half.
My car. My way.
Oh, I love that color.
I read through the entire thread, what was the color mix?

[Steve1968LS2]

Just having some fun with graphics..

http://i35.tinypic.com/16gzwuq.jpg

[Chassisworks]

Ha, love it!

[Dayton]

Steve, that's clever!
Most people outside our world won't get the meaning.

[camcojb]

That's great Steve, love it!

:D

[tones2SS]

Steve, that's clever!
Most people outside our world won't get the meaning.

Very true. I like it.

[dinos67's]

need more pictures Steve looking good

[Steve1968LS2]

It's so shiny... First coat of clear...

http://i38.tinypic.com/259g6cg.jpg

[Iamtheonlyreal1]

I am not normally a Blue Fan, but I do like that Blue, partly because it appears to be a Non Metallic color. It definitely makes the Red Stripe pop, and the Shut Lines look good.. LOL

[Greg from Aus]

Love the tattoos.

[Ron in SoCal]

Great pic Steve

[Rybar]

Looks cool I like it Steve.

[HRBS]

Just having some fun with graphics..

http://i35.tinypic.com/16gzwuq.jpg

isnt the object NOT to do that ? :lol:

I think this bold, in-your-face color is perfect for what the car is going to be used for. no doubt, it will be noticed out there. nice job.

[WSSix]

Love the traffic cone touch! Car is looking great, Steve.

[Gordz32]

WooHoo, Looks nice Steve

[itsals1]

You gotta get us the color code for that Blue!
:thankyou:
Travis

[Steve1968LS2]

You gotta get us the color code for that Blue!
:thankyou:
Travis

I have an extra gallon.. lol

The color code is CAS471 .. it's off the DuPont Atlas color chip chart.. Sorta rolled the dice on it. :)

[Steve1968LS2]

Voila!

http://i39.tinypic.com/50i3hc.jpg

[89 RS]

Looks great, I like it!

[itsals1]

Looks Great! Really enjoying seeing it coming together.

Travis

[Spiffav8]

Gotta admit, it's coming out a lot better than I thought it would. I'm impressed!

[DOOM]

Steve glad you didn't go with the satin!!! That's friggin awesome!!:trophy-1302:

[XLexusTech]

Gorgeous... ! Steve any pictures of the firewall steering column area ? i heard it looks awesome form another member.. and I was looking for ideas

[Hardluck13]

any updates?

[fleetus macmullitz]

yeah come on steeeve, lets see some engine pics something, anything....

Post a pic someone elses 572 if you have to.

We wouldn't know it wasn't yerz...

:relax:

[Al Moreno]

Looking good Steve. When get a chance, I sent you a PM.

[itsals1]

Any updates?
Travis

[Viperlover]

Digging the paint, stripes are sick.

[Sonar Chief]

Does anyone know if the Track Rat ever got finished? Been waiting ....

[camcojb]

Does anyone know if the Track Rat ever got finished? Been waiting ....
Still in process. :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

we got excited over here for a second.

[Chassisworks]

It's still in process. Steve has been pretty busy what with the magazine world shake-up.

[Chassisworks]

For a mini-update on this car, you can read the article on #6135 Chassisworks custom-fit stainless steel steering (http://www.cachassisworks.com/p-197-custom-fit-race-steering-column-stainless-steel-2-diameter-with-34-tubular-4130-shafts.aspx) column Steve used. His was the first one to get the Momo/six-point pattern quick-release hub. Click Here For The Super Chevy Article. (http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/1501-how-to-install-a-custom-fit-steering-column-course-corrections/)

http://image.superchevy.com/f/82385116+w640+h426+q80+re0+cr1+ar0+st0/extra-steering-wheel.jpg

[Chassisworks]

And HERE IS A LINK (http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/1406-1968-chevrolet-camaro-project-track-rat-tremec-magnum-six-speed/viewall.html) to the installation of what came before the column; installation of our 5922-F10 Tunnel Cap. (http://www.cachassisworks.com/p-2789-camaro-67-69-transmission-tunnel-cap-t-56-magnum.aspx)

http://image.superchevy.com/f/70138438+w640+h640+q80+re0+cr1+st0/tunnel-cap-tremec-transmission.jpg

[syborg tt]

Really look forward to seeing this car on the track one day

[GregWeld]

I just hope Steve decides to paint it.....


again.

[Chassisworks]

I just hope Steve decides to paint it.....


again.

I hope not; we kinda like that it's Chassisworks blue. By the time he finishes it we will probably have sold him every trick (freshly introduced) piece we ever make for a Camaro. Maybe we'll have changed our company color by then and he'll have to paint it, too!

:lol: