427ci LS2 sleeved, dry sump oil pump, engine build & install, 69 Camaro

[FETorino]

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/th_video-2013-06-29-11-15-16_zps6ded85ae.jpg (http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/video-2013-06-29-11-15-16_zps6ded85ae.mp4)
Click on the pic to be redirected to the video.

The FErd is in too Rob. :D

That 67 does sound pretty nice and that guy is obviously out there to wheel it. :trophy-1302:

Seems the Talladega driver is out there on a Sunday drive. I think he has a few $$ into that recreation. I'm actually betting it's a FElephantrd with a Boss 429 in it. It was a mixed bag that year what motor they ran.

Thanks for helping me distract everyone from complete fixation on the 67.:D That guy does deserve the attention for his driving efforts.:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

That guy does deserve the attention for his driving efforts.:thumbsup:




Chevy's are like that.....

[fleet]

The nice thing is with the lines a '69 Torino/Talladega has, you don't have to be Rad Rides to build a very distracting example.

:gitrdun:

[Sieg]

Have mercy!

Skippah.......tires are made to spin!

Yesterday at the track I mentioned to Dale "after watching this, and with your motor, I have a funny feeling your tire expenses are going up" or something to that effect. :D

[fleet]

Skippah.......tires are made to spin!




Dude, I was spinning tires before you thought of it.

:snapout:

:lol:

[PTAddict]

:thumbsup: We can all appreciate what this guy has done... that's the whole package there. If there is anyone local here in Portland Vancouver... the 67 will be running again today in group 5.

Just to put it into perspective of how fast this car was... he was running a 1 min 24 sec lap time. The average time for the rest of the guys in the class was low 1:30's. The car had 15" wheels and 10-3/4" diameter disc brakes and he was running 155 mph down the front and back straight. Very impressive.

The driver was talking to a group of guys after the second race and said "you're not going fast when your hooked up, it's only when you feel like your driving on syrup that you know your going fast"

:lateral:

1:24 at PIR is hauling the mail. And all you have to do is watch him drift that thing off of turn 12, with the concrete coming up on the outside, then shifting while still tracking out without a bobble - that guy can drive.

[Vegas69]

That 67 sounds WICKED. The old boat is right where I'd expect it, the caboose. :D

[GregWeld]

That 67 sounds WICKED. The old boat is right where I'd expect it, the caboose. :D




What a butthead! Give credit where credit is due! He was SECOND TO DEAD LAST!



:popcorn2: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DaleTx]

That 67 sounds WICKED. The old boat is right where I'd expect it, the caboose. :D

It did sound wicked!... I was just there recording what I saw... as it happened, Lol.

Chevy's are like that.....

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

What a butthead! Give credit where credit is due! He was SECOND TO DEAD LAST!

:popcorn2: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The 67 was not there today... so the Torino did move up one more spot :peepwall:

[Sieg]

The 67 was not there today... so the Torino did move up one more spot :peepwall:
Another Ford "victory" for some FoMo to take credit for........:D

Bummer he didn't make it........

A) No competition might as well head back to Canada eh?
B) Wife called "I want you now!"
C) Non-site repairable mechanical issues related to driving the piss out of it in qualifying.
D) Not enough purse money

[FETorino]

That 67 sounds WICKED. The old boat is right where I'd expect it, the caboose. :D

What a butthead! Give credit where credit is due! He was SECOND TO DEAD LAST

:popcorn2: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


It did sound wicked!... I was just there recording what I saw... as it happened, Lol.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:



The 67 was not there today... so the Torino did move up one more spot :peepwall:

Isn't it who is running at the end of the race that counts not who was in the lead at the start? :headscratch:

Somehow, knowing how hard it is to source the parts to build that Talladega and that if it was an actual 69 NASCAR restoration it consists of some unobtainium parts and that the fit and finish in the pictures looks show queen quality, I don't think he was out there pushing it.:lmao:


It still looks pretty sweet cruising around the track on a Sunday drive. Both Days ....... :trophy-1302:

I've done my work here:topic:

:cheers:

[fleet]

Isn't it who is running at the end of the race that counts not who was in the lead at the start? :headscratch:

Somehow, knowing how hard it is to source the parts to build that Talladega and that if it was an actual 69 NASCAR restoration it consists of some unobtainium parts and that the fit and finish in the pictures looks show queen quality, I don't think he was out there pushing it.:lmao:


It still looks pretty sweet cruising around the track on a Sunday drive. Both Days ....... :trophy-1302:

I've done my work here:topic:

:cheers:


:lol:

F8, hit.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ALKUDSuwrRE/Ttfvs2Gq6oI/AAAAAAAAgk0/w1GRzRUNz8Y/w506-h337-o/Sports-Reporter-Hit-In-Head-With-Soccer-Ball-as-Smart-Object-1.gif

[96z28ss]

That 67 camaro was awesome. I didn't get to see much of them race in the first heat but when they came back in the afternoon. No one could touch him. He lapped guys and made it look easy, and when he was pulling away at the chicane it's like he hit a power band like on a dirt bike and took off like a rocket.

Sorry I missed you Dale I forgot to check to see if you'd be there.
I did meet up with Sieg.

[Flash68]

It still looks pretty sweet cruising around the track on a Sunday drive. Both Days ....... :trophy-1302:

I've done my work here:topic:

:cheers:

High bar you got there.... if just showing up gets you your Participation Award (everything wrong with youth in America these day... but I digress) then kudos to the Fjord owner.

:popcorn2:

Yeah the only way the Camaro could win is with the driver... mmm hhmmmm.

:mock:

[96z28ss]

I thought that for a car to be in the historic races it had to have race history dating back to when the would of had raced.
I didn't think it could be a recreation other than paint scheme.

[Flash68]

I thought that for a car to be in the historic races it had to have race history dating back to when the would of had raced.
I didn't think it could be a recreation other than paint scheme.

If it's like Monterey Historics then that is correct.

[FETorino]

If it's like Monterey Historics then that is correct.

It always depends on the sanctioning body. True historics are the actual race cars with documented heritage but I believe some organizations let you run recreations.


HISTORIC: Those automobiles produced after December 31, 1962 but on or before December 31, 1972. A Vintage automobile's "point in time” may be upgraded to the 1972 regulations but shall then be designated as a Historic automobile. In the case of formula racing cars, age, eligibility and con-figuration shall be as allowed by the Monoposto Register Rules and Regulations governing Formula B, Formula Ford, Formula Junior and Formula Vee with exceptions as noted below (see WHEELS).


FIA CATEGORY A (recognized production cars) Groups 1 through 4 will be treated the same as SCCA production cars and sedans. Competitors will be allowed to modify a production vehicle with no racing provenance to either FIA Group 1 through 4 or SCCA production or sedan configurations but not a combination of FIA and SCCA.

[DaleTx]

The guys pitted next to the 67 Camaro said he went home after winning Saturday because of the long drive home back to Canada. When I talked to the driver yesterday he said he would be back next year with slightly taller gears in the rear. I will be there again next year to watch for sure. Watching that guy drift around turn 12 with the engine screaming and going through the gears is now on my top ten coolest moments list.

Today... a 1965 or 66 Mustang, not sure... won the big bore race. The Mustang and a Corvette were bumper to bumper the whole race. The Corvette passed in the chicane near the end and then missed a gear... the Mustang got by and won the race. Fun day


A few pics of the Torino... It was a very cool car...it said "LeeRoy Yarbourgh" on the roof. I did a google search and found this:

Lonnie "LeeRoy" Yarbrough (September 17, 1938 – December 7, 1984) was a NASCAR racer. His best season was 1969 when he won seven races, tallied 21 finishes in the top-ten and earned $193,211 ($1,060,431.73 when inflation is taken into effect). During his entire career from 1960–1972, he competed in 198 races, scoring fourteen wins, 65 finishes in the top-five, 92 finishes in the top-ten, and ten pole positions. His racing number was 98. When asked about his passion, Yarbrough described racing as "what I call, my life."


http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/2013-06-29113249_zps0efe77b1.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/2013-06-29113249_zps0efe77b1.jpg.html)

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Here is a pic of the dry sump tank inside the 98 car. I was checking out all the dry sump systems this weekend to see how they were set up with plumbing and vents.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/7b54f314-07a0-4734-8b91-cf06519d9345_zps5d98f440.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/7b54f314-07a0-4734-8b91-cf06519d9345_zps5d98f440.jpg.html)

I think the cars at the PIR historic races are the real deal.

:lateral:

[MX145]

I feel like I really missed something! These cars are unbelievable! PIR is about an hour and half away for me. Hopefully next year. I'm putting it on my calendar.

[fleet]

Dale,

Great job on the info and the pics.

I remember LeeRoy.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It was my first and I'll be back. Wish I could make it today even at the forecasted 93* to shoot more pics and practice with the video side of the camera.

Hopefully Dale's addicted and going back today to feed us more pics and video. :rules:

nice job with the vid but what place did your thumb come in?

[Flash68]

Yeah great pics and write up Dale... thanks for sharing it all.

As much Ford trash as I talk, I don't care what car/manufacturer is your favorite, that Torino kicks ass.

nice job with the vid but what place did your thumb come in?

:lol:

[DaleTx]

I feel like I really missed something! These cars are unbelievable! PIR is about an hour and half away for me. Hopefully next year. I'm putting it on my calendar.

I live close by and never went either... It was better than expected, I'll be back next year to.

Dale,

Great job on the info and the pics.

I remember LeeRoy.

Thanks Skip... heck of a driver.

nice job with the vid but what place did your thumb come in?

At least I got my thumb out of the way by the time the Torino finally went by... :D

Yeah great pics and write up Dale... thanks for sharing it all.

As much Ford trash as I talk, I don't care what car/manufacturer is your favorite, that Torino kicks ass.



:lol:

I agree... seriously it was great to see it out there running :thumbsup:


Check out the difference in front spoiler size between the two gen 1 Historic Z28's out at the race this weekend.

Much more area on this guys spoiler. This is the car running 155+ mph's on the straights.

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This looks like a stock spoiler on this one

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More pics of another gen 1 Z28 at the race.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/2013-06-30112737_zps3db95184.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/2013-06-30112737_zps3db95184.jpg.html)

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Intersting cold air intake on the cross ram set up.

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Looks like the GW CAT-5 leafs

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Custom air duct for cooling the front brakes

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[clill]

I went to the historic races at PIR today and bumped into Sieg :sieg: We spent some time talking to the mechanic and driver of this nice 1967 Z28.

This car won it's class by almost a full lap running against mostly Corvettes and Mustangs. This car was way faster than the other cars...the driver was on the edge at all times. The mechanic told me the engine runs up over 9K. It had a 4:56 rear axle and he went 155 mph down the main straight. I do have a video clip of it running wide open that I will post up later.


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http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/2013-06-29113625_zps24868a52.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/2013-06-29113625_zps24868a52.jpg.html)


Dry sump tank in the trunk and a fuel cell...

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I thought of Dave (Flash68) when I saw these side pipes... very cool...This car sounded amazing going down the straight!

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Jerico 4 speed transmission

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/2013-06-29112522_zps33e1f7d9.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/2013-06-29112522_zps33e1f7d9.jpg.html)


302 pumped to the hilt. The driver said it had over 500HP but would not give us the actual number. 5 stage dry sump pump, step headers, titanium valves, Holley carb.

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I really liked this picture.

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Am I the only guy that thinks it looks more like a 68 ?

[Track Junky]

Am I the only guy that thinks it looks more like a 68 ?

Other than it missing the wing window up front what would seperate em?

[fleet]

Other than it missing the wing window up front what would seperate em?

Different parking lights etc.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/2013-06-29113625_zps24868a52.jpg

http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SEMA_2012_Mark_Stielow_Mayhem_Camaro03.jpg

[DaleTx]

Am I the only guy that thinks it looks more like a 68 ?

You are right... I did a search for the entries at the 2013 PIR Historic races and here is the listing for the car:

"Kunicki Dave Surrey BC Canada 1968 Chevrolet Camaro 5000cc 67 Red"

Like Skip showed in the pics, 67 round parking lights, 68 rectangular shaped parking lights.

Good eye!

Sorry about that.

:lateral:

[Track Junky]

Good catch Charlie

[Sieg]

Am I the only guy that thinks it looks more like a 68 ?

Nope!

It's car number 67 which I believe lead to the confusion. I'd just about guarantee Kunicki (owner/driver) would have a humorous explanation as to why it's a '68 with #67.

If you get a chance to watch this car run do it! You'd really appreciate it. :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

Since installing my new 427” LS engine I have had some problems with my rear leaf springs wrapping and the car squatting under hard acceleration in the low gears. The leaf’s wrapped enough that I could feel a very slight drive-line vibration. I had to use wedges to change the pinion angle by 3 more degrees to eliminate the vibration problem. The car still handled good with the Hotchkis multi-leafs and rear sway bar set up… but I didn’t like the squat and the wrap.

My plan was to switch out the leaf springs and rear sway bar set up with a Quadra-link this winter. After getting some input from a couple guys on here, I decided to try the Global West Cat-5 road race leafs as a next step, rather than go to a Quadra-link.

The GW leafs have spherical bearing mounts on both ends, and a full floating, heavy duty shackle mount. When I called Global West they said the Cat-5 leafs were rated to handle up to 700HP. I bought the Cat-5’s with the reverse eye mount, so I could get the car as low as possible and not have to use a large spacer between the leaf and axle.


Cat-5 with reverse eye in the back and Hotchkis multi-leaf in front

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/0f8466c9-eadd-4d98-a6bb-c322fd78a3fc_zps2886ca20.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/0f8466c9-eadd-4d98-a6bb-c322fd78a3fc_zps2886ca20.jpg.html)


The GW leafs have a spherical bearing mount at both ends vs a rubber bushing.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/46a2969f-4622-40a9-be0b-6b9425c85d6d_zpsa1707f84.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/46a2969f-4622-40a9-be0b-6b9425c85d6d_zpsa1707f84.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/d48fc084-7ae0-4082-813c-0d3bab9b4674_zps89b83d17.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/d48fc084-7ae0-4082-813c-0d3bab9b4674_zps89b83d17.jpg.html)


These GW springs were expensive, but well made

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/f4860fa4-4d74-46ad-9201-61d22eb24cc8_zps7b53fd97.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/f4860fa4-4d74-46ad-9201-61d22eb24cc8_zps7b53fd97.jpg.html)


Close up of the spherical bearing and spacer

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/0dd7b9e3-af6c-489f-a48a-b4e278283615_zpse5495dff.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/0dd7b9e3-af6c-489f-a48a-b4e278283615_zpse5495dff.jpg.html)


Spherical bearing with spacer removed

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Here is a shot of the shackle and bushing set up with built in grease fitting

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/e753fae0-536b-443f-833a-37cba412447f_zps64c13aac.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/e753fae0-536b-443f-833a-37cba412447f_zps64c13aac.jpg.html)


The blue anodized aluminum sleeve presses into the rear sub frame, and the white delrin bushing slides inside. The bushing fits very precise and does not allow for lateral movement of the shackle and leaf spring.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/df995123-33ae-4c00-b6af-28fa0b90e1f9_zpsb3afd6ab.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/df995123-33ae-4c00-b6af-28fa0b90e1f9_zpsb3afd6ab.jpg.html)


Installing the leaf in the car

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Here is a shot of the front spring mount with the reverse eye set up on the leaf spring

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/f48b278d-86aa-4e60-ae90-787fc69c859b_zps865b1feb.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/f48b278d-86aa-4e60-ae90-787fc69c859b_zps865b1feb.jpg.html)


I used a 3/4" thick spacer with a 3 degree angle between the leaf spring and axle to set the pinion angle

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june162013069700x525_zps74ee7eb5.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june162013069700x525_zps74ee7eb5.jpg.html)


Cat-5 leafs installed with wedge spacer

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/a5567a16-18eb-4a3c-a2ab-b9d838c511d5_zpsc74badbf.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/a5567a16-18eb-4a3c-a2ab-b9d838c511d5_zpsc74badbf.jpg.html)


Spring swap completed!

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/3b7be3ed-efb0-4cf8-bd92-bf42f7ee8b57_zpsb0932cb3.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/3b7be3ed-efb0-4cf8-bd92-bf42f7ee8b57_zpsb0932cb3.jpg.html)


I have been driving the car with the new leafs for a couple of weeks now. Major improvement... the car does not squat on acceleration... hooks up much better... and feels way more stable in corners. I will be doing another track day in two weeks and I can't wait to try out the new set up.

Thanks again on the good advice guys.

:cheers:

[DaleTx]

From inspiration after reading Ron Sutton's post about chassis and suspension in Rob's thread, I also lowered the car 1.5" in the front and 1.0" in the rear to lower the roll center as much as possible... if your reading... thanks for the great info Ron. I will have some questions in a future post to ask about front and rear shock compression and rebound dampening settings.

I lowered the car as much as possible... while maintaining functionality with no rubs while cornering.


New measurement from floor to front fender lip, 23-1/4"

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New measurement from floor to rear fender lip, 24"

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New stance after lowering

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Rear set up is Global West reverse eye 2" drop Cat-5 leafs with a 3/4" spacer between the leafs and axle. The front set up is Global West tubular A-arms with 600lb coils cut to 12" length.

The sub frame is now 4-1/4" off the ground, and the headers are about 3-3/4" off the ground.

So far no tire rubbing or scraping.

:lateral:

[Gil]

Awesome thread, build, skills, car, stance...:thankyou: for sharing

:hail:
Gil

[PTAddict]

I have been driving the car with the new leafs for a couple of weeks now. Major improvement... the car does not squat on acceleration... hooks up much better... and feels way more stable in corners. I will be doing another track day in two weeks and I can't wait to try out the new set up.

Thanks again on the good advice guys.

:cheers:

Nice write up and pics. Good to hear they're working out for you so far.

Just a note of caution for those of you doing street-only builds: the ride these springs give is, uh, firm :) If you're doing a lot of just cruising, on less than perfect roads (hello, Michigan) these might not be the ticket.

[Flash68]

Dale that is a great write up and glad those Meow-5 leafs are the ticket for ya. :D

Lookin fwd already to your next track day video. :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

The Cat-5's should help keep him out of the kitty litter. :D

[DaleTx]

Awesome thread, build, skills, car, stance...:thankyou: for sharing

:hail:
Gil

Thanks Gil... appreciate the compliments!

Nice write up and pics. Good to hear they're working out for you so far.

Just a note of caution for those of you doing street-only builds: the ride these springs give is, uh, firm :) If you're doing a lot of just cruising, on less than perfect roads (hello, Michigan) these might not be the ticket.

Thanks Scott... you were right about these leafs, they work great. The car hooks up much better now, and feels very stable cornering and accelerating. I will be out at PIR in a couple weeks to try them out, maybe I'll see you there.

Dale that is a great write up and glad those Meow-5 leafs are the ticket for ya. :D

Lookin fwd already to your next track day video. :thumbsup:

Thanks Dave... I'm hoping to come away from the next track day with some compliments from Sieg after watching the video... rather than him telling me how slow I am, Lol. :sieg:

The Cat-5's should help keep him out of the kitty litter. :D

Lets's hope so!

[Sieg]

Thanks Dave... I'm hoping to come away from the next track day with some compliments from Sieg after watching the video... rather than him telling me how slow I am, Lol. :sieg:

HEY! I wasn't telling you how slow you were, I was telling you how to get FASTER! :catfight:

[MX145]

HEY! I wasn't telling you how slow you were, I was telling you how to get FASTER! :catfight:

Haha! That's awesome!

Dale, you're not messing around. You got right to it. Rons a huge contributor. He's got me thinking or rethinking things as well. Great job on the mods and thanks for sharing the specs. Your car looks great! Can't wait to hear how your next track day goes.

[DaleTx]

Haha! That's awesome!

Dale, you're not messing around. You got right to it. Rons a huge contributor. He's got me thinking or rethinking things as well. Great job on the mods and thanks for sharing the specs. Your car looks great! Can't wait to hear how your next track day goes.

Thanks... I've been following your build to. The supersonic blue color will look great on your car.



On Monday this week I met Scott Bourduin out at PIR while he was there running a track day with the Corvette Club. After we chatted for a while Scott invited me to ride along for his final session of the day. I jumped at the chance and it was great to ride along and see what lines he drove... where he braked and so on... it was a great learning experience for me.

Scott's driving ability and car are very impressive to say the least. Thanks to Scott for letting me ride along! I am signed up for a track day at PIR on Friday and I plan to push the braking a little further after seeing how Scott ran the track.

A couple shots of Scott's car at PIR (from my cell phone)

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In preparation for my track day this Friday... I put new brake pads on and greased the front wheel bearings on my car. The brake pads are Baer decelerator ceramic matrix pads. These pads work great and have a good feel.

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Next I pulled the front hubs and greased the front wheel bearings.

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I also revised my design on the cold air intake that goes from the 4 barrel TB to opening in the cowl hood. I dropped it down slightly so I could get additional clearance from the top of the air cleaner to the top of the tunnel on the cowl hood, and I went to a foam seal rather than the rubber tube seal I had before. I think this looks cleaner.


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The new set up installed in the car. You can see the IAT sensor mounted in the back... this works good.

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When I switched to the LS engine it sat back further... so the hole in the cowl hood did not match up with the air cleaner. I cut a crescent shaped piece of metal from the back side of the hole.. and then relocated the piece to the other side of the hole... you can see the three screws holding the piece in place. This worked out good and the hole in the cowl hood now lines up perfectly with the air cleaner.

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My grandson spent the weekend with my wife and I. He spent some time out in the garage with me :)

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I have run the engine without the cold air intake for a while... but with the computer control and the IAT sensor the engine runs the best when I use the cold air intake set up and draw the air from outside the engine compartment.

[chr2002ca]

Always love your detailed posts and great photos Dave. :thumbsup: It seems we're consistently working on the same things on our rides(transmission/clutch -> ride height + wheels rehooped -> cold air setup). :) I made a similar cold air setup with a 16" aluminum cake pan and realized the diameter needed another inch, so I ordered a 17" cake pan yesterday which should be in a few days. I also was not too happy with the rubber rim ring I installed on my mine and was considering some foam instead. Where did you acquire your foam from? That looks perfect.

[PTAddict]

On Monday this week I met Scott Bourduin out at PIR while he was there running a track day with the Corvette Club ...



It was great meeting you out there Dale. Hopefully we can still get both of our cars to the same track at the same time yet this Summer :) Maybe at Ridge Motorsports Park in September - fun track and great place to develop skills.

Car's looking great!

[DaleTx]

Always love your detailed posts and great photos Dave. :thumbsup: It seems we're consistently working on the same things on our rides(transmission/clutch -> ride height + wheels rehooped -> cold air setup). :) I made a similar cold air setup with a 16" aluminum cake pan and realized the diameter needed another inch, so I ordered a 17" cake pan yesterday which should be in a few days. I also was not too happy with the rubber rim ring I installed on my mine and was considering some foam instead. Where did you acquire your foam from? That looks perfect.

Thanks Chris... I look forward to seeing a video of you car when your all done!

My cold air intake is 17" diameter... I fabricated mine from 22 gauge steel. I didn't like the way the rubber tube looked either. I bought the rubber foam tape 3/16" thick x 1-1/4" wide from Auto Zone. Here are some pictures of the packaging and some pictures of the install. They also had the same foam tape 3/4" wide.


This is different than the foam in the previous post... I liked this material better.

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It was great meeting you out there Dale. Hopefully we can still get both of our cars to the same track at the same time yet this Summer :) Maybe at Ridge Motorsports Park in September - fun track and great place to develop skills.

Car's looking great!

Thanks Scott... that would be great to meet up at the Ridge Motorsports Park in September. I am ready to try a new track :)

[DaleTx]

Here is a new video from my track day yesterday at PIR. Last time out my best lap was 1 min 34 sec. This time out I got my best lap time down to 1 min 31 sec. My goal is to get under 1 min 30 sec... so I'm getting close.

Changes from the last track day include... lowering the stance slightly... and installing the new Global West Cat 5 leaf springs with the spherical bearing mounts. I loved the new leafs... this was a major improvement.The car did not squat when accelerating... hooked up better on the corners... and the car felt much more stable on the long high speed sweeping corner at PIR. No more bouncing at high speed.

For this event I kept the Fox shocks on the car. I wanted to see how the Fox shocks would work when paired up with the new GW leafs. I have to eat crow now on what I said about not liking the Fox shocks. The combination of the Fox shocks with the GW Cat 5 springs worked great. No more bouncing on the back straight at high speed... the car felt very stable and handled great with this combo. I am learning as I go... and finding out that the suspension set up is very complicated. The Fox shocks worked great with the heavier leafs... and Iwill not be changing back to the Bilsteins.


Here is the video... the time for the last lap (after passing the blue BMW) was 1 min 31 sec. The speed for that lap was 130 mph on the front straight and 128 mph on the back straight. I was chasing a Z06 Corvette through some traffic at the start... very fun day!

_0bxoovxhs8

:lateral:

[tmadden]

That looks like a lot of fun. Enjoy. I can't wait for mine to be ready.

[GregWeld]

Running nicely Dale!


What group put on the track day?? I've never run PIR.... or the new track up here (The Ridge) either. There's enough of us up here that we should try to get a schedule on a couple of different clubs so we can get some time in.

My next scheduled run is Laguna Seca on November 29th... so have lots of open time available!

[MX145]

Dale, I like your fresh air intake mods. Thanks for posting the PIR video for us to all check out. You were mov'n!

[MX145]

Running nicely Dale!


What group put on the track day?? I've never run PIR.... or the new track up here (The Ridge) either. There's enough of us up here that we should try to get a schedule on a couple of different clubs so we can get some time in.

My next scheduled run is Laguna Seca on November 29th... so have lots of open time available!

Please post when you guys go. My car's a long way from being ready but I'd like to go check it out.

[Sieg]

Good stuff Dale, car looks pretty stable in the video. :thumbsup:

I might be copying that simple and functional air intake system. Nicely done.

[PTAddict]

Running nicely Dale!


What group put on the track day?? I've never run PIR.... or the new track up here (The Ridge) either. There's enough of us up here that we should try to get a schedule on a couple of different clubs so we can get some time in.

My next scheduled run is Laguna Seca on November 29th... so have lots of open time available!

There are back-to-back HPDE sessions at Ridge on Sept. 12 and 13 (Thu/Fri). The 12th is the NW Porsche Club of America, the 13th is Turn 2 Lapping. I'm eyeing signing up for both - anybody else up for one or both?

FYI: The Porsche Club automatically puts you in Novice with an instructor if you've not run with them before. I've heard you can beg your way out of that if you have an instructor from another club vouch for you, but no guarantees ...

[DaleTx]

That looks like a lot of fun. Enjoy. I can't wait for mine to be ready.

Thanks! Getting out on the track is great... makes all the hard work worth it.

Running nicely Dale!

What group put on the track day?? I've never run PIR.... or the new track up here (The Ridge) either. There's enough of us up here that we should try to get a schedule on a couple of different clubs so we can get some time in.

My next scheduled run is Laguna Seca on November 29th... so have lots of open time available!

Thanks Greg! I'm lovin the new engine and trans... I had a great time on Friday :D

The track day was put on by Cascade Sports Car Club… they do a lot of events at PIR and are a great club. Their next track day at PIR is September 6th. I would be open to a track day at either PIR or the Ridge in September if some NW guys want to get together. You should run PIR sometime... it is a fun track and very nice facility.

Some day I want to do a trip to California and run Thunderhill or Laguna Seca. It would be great to meet some of the Lat G guys down south :thumbsup:


Dale, I like your fresh air intake mods. Thanks for posting the PIR video for us to all check out. You were mov'n!

Please post when you guys go. My car's a long way from being ready but I'd like to go check it out.

Thanks… It looks like we have a couple of possibilities for a NW group track day. We'll see what happens... that would be nice to meet you even if your cars not ready yet.

Good stuff Dale, car looks pretty stable in the video. :thumbsup:

I might be copying that simple and functional air intake system. Nicely done.

Thanks Sieg... The car did feel way better at high speed than the last time out. I’m sold on the CAT 5 road race springs… what a difference in handling. I think the spherical bearing is the key… the springs are free floating and that is what makes the difference (no twisting or binding… just a consistant spring rate). All I know is they feel way better than what I had before.

I would highly recommend adding the cold air intake on your car… just be sure to allow enough clearance so you can get good airflow into the air filter. I enlarged the opening in my cowl hood to match up with the 17” diameter shroud. It’s a much better set up to draw cooler air from the outside rather than the hot air under the hood.

Please start prepping Norwood for a September track day get together for the NW guys :drive:


There are back-to-back HPDE sessions at Ridge on Sept. 12 and 13 (Thu/Fri). The 12th is the NW Porsche Club of America, the 13th is Turn 2 Lapping. I'm eyeing signing up for both - anybody else up for one or both?

FYI: The Porsche Club automatically puts you in Novice with an instructor if you've not run with them before. I've heard you can beg your way out of that if you have an instructor from another club vouch for you, but no guarantees ...

So it looks like PIR September 6th or the ridge on September 12-13. I'm open to running the Ridge or PIR.

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

I just got a JURY SUMMONS for 4 days beginning September 3rd --- so PIR "appears" to be out for me on the 6th! BUT -- always the big BUTT.... sometimes they kick your butt out if you don't get picked for a jury -- and this jury duty is in Redmond -- so that's a small court and if they ask me any questions I'm certain to fail. HAHAHAHAHAHA



I'm going to do my best to try to run on the 6th at PIR....


REVISED POST:


After reading the event -- this is driver training with a 4 hour classroom on the 5th.... So I'm not interested in that... I've done a lot of schools -- I don't need to start learning the definition of an apex....and I'd have to be excused from jury duty on the 4th - in order to get down to Ptown early enough on the 5th...

[DaleTx]

I just got a JURY SUMMONS for 4 days beginning September 3rd --- so PIR "appears" to be out for me on the 6th! BUT -- always the big BUTT.... sometimes they kick your butt out if you don't get picked for a jury -- and this jury duty is in Redmond -- so that's a small court and if they ask me any questions I'm certain to fail. HAHAHAHAHAHA



I'm going to do my best to try to run on the 6th at PIR....


REVISED POST:


After reading the event -- this is driver training with a 4 hour classroom on the 5th.... So I'm not interested in that... I've done a lot of schools -- I don't need to start learning the definition of an apex....and I'd have to be excused from jury duty on the 4th - in order to get down to Ptown early enough on the 5th...

Greg... the classroom training is typically for beginners who have never been on a track. I'm confident that you can be excused from the classroom stuff since you have have experience with other clubs. I will make a call tomorrow to find out for sure and let you know.

[GregWeld]

Greg... the classroom training is typically for beginners who have never been on a track. I'm confident that you can be excused from the classroom stuff since you have have experience with other clubs. I will make a call tomorrow to find out for sure and let you know.





Awesome....


I've done Bondurant 3 day ZO6 -- and Bondurant Formula Mazda -- and Spring Mountain (Ron Fellows) 3 day ZO6 -- just finished DirtFish 3 day Rally driving school... have run Thunderhill with Nor Cal Shelby Club 3 or 4 times -- and Sonoma twice now.

[Tony V]

Dale,

Great video, my wife thought i was nuts with my headphones and leaning through the turns...actually my leg was sore from pressing the go pedal under my desk :)

its what i need to get back in garage...thanks for the motivation.

[DaleTx]

Awesome....


I've done Bondurant 3 day ZO6 -- and Bondurant Formula Mazda -- and Spring Mountain (Ron Fellows) 3 day ZO6 -- just finished DirtFish 3 day Rally driving school... have run Thunderhill with Nor Cal Shelby Club 3 or 4 times -- and Sonoma twice now.

Thanks, I'll PM you tomorrow after I make the call.

Dale,

Great video, my wife thought i was nuts with my headphones and leaning through the turns...actually my leg was sore from pressing the go pedal under my desk :)

its what i need to get back in garage...thanks for the motivation.

Lol, time to get the project going Tony!

[PTAddict]

Unfortunately, I'm out of town on vacation on the 6th. But you kids have fun without me!

[MX145]

Let me know what you guys figure out so I can put in a request for time off at work. :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

Awesome....
I've done Bondurant 3 day ZO6 -- and Bondurant Formula Mazda -- and Spring Mountain (Ron Fellows) 3 day ZO6 -- just finished DirtFish 3 day Rally driving school... have run Thunderhill with Nor Cal Shelby Club 3 or 4 times -- and Sonoma twice now.

Greg... Regarding the track day out at PIR on September 6th-- I talked to Mike Smith at Cascade Sports Car Club and he said since you have the experience, you do not have to attend the class room session on the 5th... just show up on Friday morning at the track and you can run :cool:

They will have an instructor ride along with you on the first session to check you out, and show you the lines... then you will be good to go solo the rest of the day. Now hopefully you can skip out on jury duty Friday! I am going to get signed up tonight... look forward to meeting up with you out there!


Unfortunately, I'm out of town on vacation on the 6th. But you kids have fun without me!

Thanks Scott... we will cross paths at the track eventually. I plan to get a trailer soon so I can hit some the the other tracks that your running.

Let me know what you guys figure out so I can put in a request for time off at work. :thumbsup:

Maybe we'll see you out there.

:cheers:

[GregWeld]

Wow! Thanks Dale!!


Now I'll just have to see if I'm in or on some weeks long jury <just shoot me!>

[DaleTx]

Wow! Thanks Dale!!


Now I'll just have to see if I'm in or on some weeks long jury <just shoot me!>

Greg... that's cool if you can't make it :thumbsup:

I hope you can but no worries. I know that jury duty is unpredictable. I would recommend getting signed up to reserve a spot. You can cancel one or two days before the event and they won't charge you anything. If there are any others guys in Oregon or Washington interested in getting their car out on the track just go to Cascade Sports Car Club and sign up... It would be great to see some other Lat G guys out there.

link to Sept 6 track day registration at PIR for those interested: http://www.cascadesportscarclub.org/index.php?option=com_jevents&task=icalrepeat.detail&evid=92&Itemid=141&year=2013&month=09&day=06&title=drivers-school-hpde&uid=e6d41f507e41a9e24b2ac6cd61baf106

[Track Junky]

Here is a new video from my track day yesterday at PIR. Last time out my best lap was 1 min 34 sec. This time out I got my best lap time down to 1 min 31 sec. My goal is to get under 1 min 30 sec... so I'm getting close.

Changes from the last track day include... lowering the stance slightly... and installing the new Global West Cat 5 leaf springs with the spherical bearing mounts. I loved the new leafs... this was a major improvement.The car did not squat when accelerating... hooked up better on the corners... and the car felt much more stable on the long high speed sweeping corner at PIR. No more bouncing at high speed.

For this event I kept the Fox shocks on the car. I wanted to see how the Fox shocks would work when paired up with the new GW leafs. I have to eat crow now on what I said about not liking the Fox shocks. The combination of the Fox shocks with the GW Cat 5 springs worked great. No more bouncing on the back straight at high speed... the car felt very stable and handled great with this combo. I am learning as I go... and finding out that the suspension set up is very complicated. The Fox shocks worked great with the heavier leafs... and Iwill not be changing back to the Bilsteins.


Here is the video... the time for the last lap (after passing the blue BMW) was 1 min 31 sec. The speed for that lap was 130 mph on the front straight and 128 mph on the back straight. I was chasing a Z06 Corvette through some traffic at the start... very fun day!

_0bxoovxhs8

:lateral:

Awesome Dale!! 3 seconds is huge!! :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Love watching your videos Dale. I bet you keep getting faster too. :)

Would be great if a bunch of Norcal and PNW guys could get together at a track sometime (who needs those Socal guys?!) :action-smiley-027:

[DaleTx]

Awesome Dale!! 3 seconds is huge!! :thumbsup:

Thanks Gaetano! The car felt pretty dialed in out there on Friday. Now I just need to step it up and push it a bit harder each time out.
:cheers:

Love watching your videos Dale. I bet you keep getting faster too. :)

Would be great if a bunch of Norcal and PNW guys could get together at a track sometime (who needs those Socal guys?!) :action-smiley-027:

Thanks Dave... that would be great to have a Lat-G track day somewhere in Norcal I would love to see your car and the other guys on here (Socal :action-smiley-027: ). Count me in for sure. It looks like your car is getting close... I would sure like to hear your new engine out on the track!

:lateral:

[fleet]

Enjoyed reading about the continued improvements Dale. :thumbsup:

And giving us track vids to watch is very wise. :D

[Operations]

Love your write-up! :thumbsup:

[8mywal8]

Can you explain how you got full throttle out of the stock linkage?
Thanks

[DaleTx]

Love your write-up! :thumbsup:

Thanks!

Can you explain how you got full throttle out of the stock linkage?
Thanks

I used the original 69 Camaro mechanical throttle pedal linkage... then modified the arm that is on the engine side of the firewall. I fabricated an extension so the length of the arm is about 9 inches... this gave me enough travel to go from idle to wide open throttle using the second hole on the lever arm on the FAST TB.

The throttle has a good feel and does not come on to quickly. I wanted to make sure I had lots of travel so it would be easier to control the car when rolling the throttle on.


Here are some pics of the mods on the lever arm. The arm measures about 9 inches from the pivot point on the firewall, to the pivot point on the connecting link.
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http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/fcff5252-c124-46d4-92a7-86f8e64f424d_zps4dd54e95.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/fcff5252-c124-46d4-92a7-86f8e64f424d_zps4dd54e95.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/5580ed72-a014-4774-98ed-1ff62871dfd8_zpsb98b6a61.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/5580ed72-a014-4774-98ed-1ff62871dfd8_zpsb98b6a61.jpg.html)

I made the lever arm just long enough to get the full range of travel on the TB. This worked out good... and the throttle has a good feel (not to fast... not to slow). I made sure I had plenty of clearance through the whole range of travel so the arm would never get hung up and get stuck.

[Ron in SoCal]

Thanks for posting that Dale :thumbsup:

[chr2002ca]

Kinda funny how we continue to work on the same things Dale. I had to do that exact thing with my mechanical linkage also. My lever at the firewall had to be extended by about 4 inches and shifted to miss hitting the fuel rail and fitting at the end of the rail, and the linkage rod has custom bend in it also. LS or BBC, doesn't matter. :)

I also just finished my cold air intake which is similar to yours, except I used a 17" aluminum cake pan. My filter doesn't sit quite as high as yours(maybe 3/4" lower), so I'm able to run an aluminum "bubble" top that promotes air flow instead of the filter top. My plan is to do 2 runs on the chassis dyno with the cold air unit in place and 2 runs with just a standard filter base just to compare. I'll let you know what the difference is.

[DaleTx]

Enjoyed reading about the continued improvements Dale. :thumbsup:

And giving us track vids to watch is very wise. :D

Thanks Skip... it's nice to finally enjoy the car after all the work :D
:cheers:

Thanks for posting that Dale :thumbsup:

Thanks Ron... looking forward to more updates on yours!

Kinda funny how we continue to work on the same things Dale. I had to do that exact thing with my mechanical linkage also. My lever at the firewall had to be extended by about 4 inches and shifted to miss hitting the fuel rail and fitting at the end of the rail, and the linkage rod has custom bend in it also. LS or BBC, doesn't matter. :)

I also just finished my cold air intake which is similar to yours, except I used a 17" aluminum cake pan. My filter doesn't sit quite as high as yours(maybe 3/4" lower), so I'm able to run an aluminum "bubble" top that promotes air flow instead of the filter top. My plan is to do 2 runs on the chassis dyno with the cold air unit in place and 2 runs with just a standard filter base just to compare. I'll let you know what the difference is.

We both seem to keep coming up with the same solutions :thumbsup:

That's a great idea to test the two set ups... I would like to know the results. I wonder what the difference would be between the "bubble" top, versus a filter top? I have run just a plain drop base air filter taking in the air under the hood.... and the same air filter set up drawing air in through the cowl hood. The engine seems to run a bit better with the cowl induction set up.... so I'm sticking with that.

Be sure to post up some pictures of your cold air intake set up... I'd like to see what you came up with.

It's fun to do all the little detail stuff after all the hard works done!

[8mywal8]

Dale,

Is that a stock 69 cowl induction air cleaner you are using?
Also how long is the stock rod? Mine is on the car and there is no way to get it off with the engine in place. I just made an extension piece to bolt too it.

Thanks
Ronnie

[Sieg]

Dale,

Is that a stock 69 cowl induction air cleaner you are using?
Also how long is the stock rod? Mine is on the car and there is no way to get it off with the engine in place. I just made an extension piece to bolt too it.

Thanks
Ronnie

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=497733&postcount=289

All it takes is a little effort. :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

Dale,

Is that a stock 69 cowl induction air cleaner you are using?
Also how long is the stock rod? Mine is on the car and there is no way to get it off with the engine in place. I just made an extension piece to bolt too it.

Thanks
Ronnie

Ronnie, I was able to remove the stock throttle linkage with the engine in the car. After removing it... I welded on an extension and lengthened the stock arm about 2.5 inches.

I made the arm just long enough so I could get full throttle on the FAST 4 barrel TB. Adding 2.5 inches worked out good.

What Sieg said on the cowl induction air cleaner... custom made to fit.

[GregWeld]

Dale ---


I AM on a jury... so no way I'm making PIR event. They said today that trial will be 2 1/2 to 3 days -- then deliberation. I just got home -- man it's a long dang day doing this stuff!!

We'll just have to plan another event when I don't have this stone around my neck.

[DaleTx]

Dale ---


I AM on a jury... so no way I'm making PIR event. They said today that trial will be 2 1/2 to 3 days -- then deliberation. I just got home -- man it's a long dang day doing this stuff!!

We'll just have to plan another event when I don't have this stone around my neck.

Greg,

No problem... we'll meet up another time for a track day. The weather is not looking good for this Friday anyway.

I served on a jury last year and it was interesting... especially the deliberations... good luck!

[PTAddict]

Dale ---


I AM on a jury... so no way I'm making PIR event. They said today that trial will be 2 1/2 to 3 days -- then deliberation. I just got home -- man it's a long dang day doing this stuff!!

We'll just have to plan another event when I don't have this stone around my neck.

Bad luck Greg. I'm sure you'll have entertaining stories about your time as jury foreman that you'll not be allowed to tell :_paranoid

For you, Dale, and any other interested Pac NW folks, I am signed up for the 12th (Northwest Porsche Club) and 13th (Turn 2 Lapping) at Ridge Motorsports Park. There are still spots available both days; see www.motorsportreg.com for signup details. Weather forecast looks good, insofar as you can trust any 10 day forecast in the Pac NW :)

[DaleTx]

For you, Dale, and any other interested Pac NW folks, I am signed up for the 12th (Northwest Porsche Club) and 13th (Turn 2 Lapping) at Ridge Motorsports Park. There are still spots available both days; see www.motorsportreg.com for signup details. Weather forecast looks good, insofar as you can trust any 10 day forecast in the Pac NW :)

Scott, I registered for the Turn 2 Lapping event on Friday. Thanks for posting... I'll see you Friday.

:thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

I loaded up the car last Thursday afternoon and drove up to the Ridge Motorsports Park in Shelton Washington to meet Scott Borduin (PTAddict) for a track day last Friday. This was my first time running at RMP. The track is a 2.47 mile long road course… with two blind rises, two blind descents, and a ½ mile long straight. What a fun track.… it just doesn’t get much better! I had the most fun I’ve ever had with my car. This track is much more technical challenging than PIR… and was a blast.

It was a 2.5 hour drive to the track... so I rented a trailer and drove up the night before and spent the night at the track. I plan to get an enclosed trailer before next season.
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Here is a pic of Scotts car and trailer. Nice set up.
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You can see part of the track in the background on this pic. WhenI first saw this I couldn't believe the elevation drop.
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For the first session I drove behind Scott and he showed me the lines. I ran a total of five sessions for the day. By the third session I was starting to figure out the track and pick up speed. The car felt very balanced and the grip was excellent. The new suspension set up worked great... can’t wait to get back out on this track.

I look forward to doing more track day events in the future with Scott. Scotts car is very impressive in person, and he goes all out on the track. Next time out we plan to get some video dicing on the track.

Thanks to Scott for inviting me to the track day. I had a great time and it was nice to get out on a new track :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Everyone I've talked to locally LOVES the track.... hopefully the facilities follow.


Glad you guys got together and had a great day!

[Ron in SoCal]

Glad you had fun Dale! I got a chance to see Scott's car at SEMA a couple years ago. You're right, it's stunning!

[PTAddict]

Nice writeup Dale, glad you had a good time.

I actually was there for two days, but got no more track time than Dale. First, the driver (ahem) spun the car the first day, leading to a backfire, leading to a blown top/bottom intake seal on the FAST intake, leading to an afternoon of R & R intake, RTV patchwork, chasing lost fasteners, etc. Then my alternator started frying while I was sitting in the staging lane waiting for the 4th session on the second day. Since my track car is also my ride home, I called it a day. The alternator never did give up entirely, although it made some pretty funky voltage swings, and smelled like an electrical fire by the time I got home. Dale followed me most of the way home to make sure I'd be OK - thanks again Dale.

Everyone I've talked to locally LOVES the track.... hopefully the facilities follow.


Glad you guys got together and had a great day!

The track itself really is nice. Talking to the chief driving instructor for the NW Audi club, it apparently was designed by the same person or people who did Thunderhill. Facilities at the track are indeed sparse, but at least there is a real town (Shelton WA) 5 minutes away with gas, food, hotels, car parts stores, etc. Unlike my other favorite track, Oregon Raceway Park.

Glad you had fun Dale! I got a chance to see Scott's car at SEMA a couple years ago. You're right, it's stunning!

Thanks Ron. I never did get around to doing a real build thread the first time around, but I've recently been struck with a serious case of upgradeitis, and will start a thread on that soon.

[Sieg]

Unlike my other favorite track, Oregon Raceway Park.

The trick is to bait GW into going to ORP and give him a Costco list in advance. :unibrow:

Fact is his rig is bigger than the Tall Winds Motel in Morrow. :D

Since you've driven both tracks and I've ridden ORP both directions and only watched on-board video of The Ridge.........how do they compare with a steering wheel in your hand?

[PTAddict]

The trick is to bait GW into going to ORP and give him a Costco list in advance. :unibrow:

Fact is his rig is bigger than the Tall Winds Motel in Morrow. :D

Since you've driven both tracks and I've ridden ORP both directions and only watched on-board video of The Ridge.........how do they compare with a steering wheel in your hand?

I think ORP is more technical still than RMP, perhaps even more so going counter-clockwise. I've run two complete days CCW at ORP, and still never felt completely in rhythm all the way around. And there is more "pucker factor" at ORP, like the turn 16-15-14 sequence running CCW, or cresting the hill after the uphill straight going CW. There is more blind stuff, more off-camber, etc. And the half-pipe is a unique experience.

RMP is faster - I get to 130+ on the front straight before hitting the shift light and breathing the throttle for a few hundred feet, and max out in 3rd two other places. It's still pretty technical, and there are parts of it that are very satisfying lap after lap when you get in rhythm, like the 1-2-3 sequence, or the 8a-8b-9-10 sequence. Turns are a bit more "connected" at RMP, where you have to treat them as a sequence and not apex to apex. It also feels wider, and is generally more of a big car "horsepower" track.

Both are a ton of fun, and very different than the wide/fast/flat environment of PIR.

[PTAddict]

The trick is to bait GW into going to ORP and give him a Costco list in advance. :unibrow:

Fact is his rig is bigger than the Tall Winds Motel in Morrow. :D

Sounds like we need to plan some parties in the GW rig :) Seriously, GW, no need to drive all the way to T'hill or Laguna for a great track. Now, the company you have to keep, that's another story ... :)

[GregWeld]

Bastards

[PTAddict]

Bastards

Guilty.

[GregWeld]

So did Heino move to a new(er) building?? I see your post says you're the EFI guy for him...

He needed an EFI guy! He struggled doing my buddies 8 stack FAST EZ EFI install!! LOL


And to be totally honest about NW Track days.... they're just not the same as running Sonoma -- Laguna Secca.... or getting out of the PNWet in the winter and hitting a nice dry sunny day track event in Kalleeeforneea. But I will make an event with you guys soon.

[PTAddict]

So did Heino move to a new(er) building?? I see your post says you're the EFI guy for him...

He needed an EFI guy! He struggled doing my buddies 8 stack FAST EZ EFI install!! LOL


And to be totally honest about NW Track days.... they're just not the same as running Sonoma -- Laguna Secca.... or getting out of the PNWet in the winter and hitting a nice dry sunny day track event in Kalleeeforneea. But I will make an event with you guys soon.

Totally get it about the Cali tracks. I'm hoping to get there myself starting next year. My company (Autodesk) is based in S.F. And I did Skip Barber at Laguna.

Steve Heino and I went in together building a new facility to house his business, with a corner for my stuff too. It's a great building, and biz is booming since he moved there late last year.

I've done the tuning for Steve 1-2 days a week for years now. I don't really get paid for it, just enjoy using my background to help make customer cars run better. Your buddy with the Inglese was not an ideal case - the Inglese/FAST marriage was clearly a problem of left hand/right hand not talking, with install problems from day 1. And I've commented here before on the limitations of EZ/EFI and similar self tuning systems - they work within the narrow range of assumptions built into the tuning algorithms, but outside that range, you better be able to plug in the laptop and fix things, or you're screwed. If I'd had recourse to do that on that IR install, it would have run 500% better, 500% sooner. Just sayin'

BTW, the newer Holley Terminator, HP, Dominator systems all have excellent self tuning with recourse to manual/laptop, and I'm a big fan of those right now. That's the direction I'd go for most retrofit EFI these days.

[Sieg]

I think ORP is more technical still than RMP, perhaps even more so going counter-clockwise. I've run two complete days CCW at ORP, and still never felt completely in rhythm all the way around. And there is more "pucker factor" at ORP, like the turn 16-15-14 sequence running CCW, or cresting the hill after the uphill straight going CW. There is more blind stuff, more off-camber, etc. And the half-pipe is a unique experience.

RMP is faster - I get to 130+ on the front straight before hitting the shift light and breathing the throttle for a few hundred feet, and max out in 3rd two other places. It's still pretty technical, and there are parts of it that are very satisfying lap after lap when you get in rhythm, like the 1-2-3 sequence, or the 8a-8b-9-10 sequence. Turns are a bit more "connected" at RMP, where you have to treat them as a sequence and not apex to apex. It also feels wider, and is generally more of a big car "horsepower" track.

Both are a ton of fun, and very different than the wide/fast/flat environment of PIR.
Simplistically from the 2-wheeled perspective ORP running CW is like making love, it's adrenaline inducing and flows nicely, running CCW is like one night stand sex, scary yet great fun that makes you want more........but too risky to have on a weekly basis. :D

Sounds like we need to plan some parties in the GW rig :) Seriously, GW, no need to drive all the way to T'hill or Laguna for a great track. Now, the company you have to keep, that's another story ... :)Realistically ORP is more fun and more challenging than Laguna, it just doesn't have the history. T-Hill is it's own, it's such a great blend of technical with good speed, accommodations and culture it's hard to argue.

Bastards
Thank you, than you very much!

Guilty.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060711022620/hh/images/6/60/Sgt._Schultz.jpg
I know nothing!

[PTAddict]

Simplistically from the 2-wheeled perspective ORP running CW is like making love, it's adrenaline inducing and flows nicely, running CCW is like one night stand sex, scary yet great fun that makes you want more........but too risky to have on a weekly basis. :D

Hmm - I'm 53 and a confirmed family man. I'm glad to know that I can still have one night stand sex with a little trip to Grass Valley, OR :)

Dale, are we derailing your thread a bit? Back to regularly scheduled programming ...

[DaleTx]

Everyone I've talked to locally LOVES the track.... hopefully the facilities follow.
Glad you guys got together and had a great day!

Thanks Greg... the track is awesome and they have a huge pit area but not much else right now. Plenty of room for the big rigs :thumbsup:

Glad you had fun Dale! I got a chance to see Scott's car at SEMA a couple years ago. You're right, it's stunning!

Thanks Ron... I remember seeing Scott's car parked outside the entrance to the main hall at SEMA a few years ago. It's great to see it out on the track now... his car also has an LS7 engine.

Nice writeup Dale, glad you had a good time.


I've run at PIR for so long I had no idea what I was missing. Now I need to shop for an enclosed trailer so I can travel around a bit more :)

But I will make an event with you guys soon.

Sounds good Greg... look forward to that!



I have run quite a few events this year and pushed the car pretty hard... recently out at PIR I had my first problem. The serpentine belt rolled off the pulleys when I shifted from 3rd to 4th gear on the back straight. When the serpentine belt came off it took the belt that runs the dry sump pump with it.

When the belt cam off the dry sump pump I was able to shut the engine off within a few seconds. I coasted into the pits and called the engine builder. A.C. recommended to have the car towed home, and then pull the pan to check the rod bearings and main bearings just to be safe. I decided to pull the engine out and have everything checked out.

In the 3 weeks between the event at PIR and RMP I pulled the engine and tranny and then re-installed. I will post up more details on this later in the week on what we found out when the bottom end of the engine was inspected.

All I can say is that I am very glad that I installed the low oil pressure warning light!

:cheers:

[DaleTx]

Dale, are we derailing your thread a bit? Back to regularly scheduled programming ...

Heck no... good stuff.

Let me know when you go back to grass valley... sounds like another good track.

[Sieg]

Hmm - I'm 53 and a confirmed family man. I'm glad to know that I can still have one night stand sex with a little trip to Grass Valley, OR :)

55 and confirmed here with a 12 & 14 year old, had to dig deep in the archives for that analogy. :secret:

Dale needs to experience it now that he's ventured away from the metro flat track..........and T-Hill, Laguna, Sonoma, and Miller. :thumbsup:

[rickpaw]

That's awesome Dale. Looks like a great track. Sometimes I kind of miss the scenery of the NW.

[PTAddict]

Dale needs to experience it now that he's ventured away from the metro flat track..........and T-Hill, Laguna, Sonoma, and Miller. :thumbsup:

I've never had my car at T-Hill, Laguna, Sonoma, or Miller either. I think, just like Dale, I need to get a travel rig. It's cool driving to the track when you're still just a 2 hour tow from home if something goes wrong, but 2 days ...

[GregWeld]

I've never had my car at T-Hill, Laguna, Sonoma, or Miller either. I think, just like Dale, I need to get a travel rig. It's cool driving to the track when you're still just a 2 hour tow from home if something goes wrong, but 2 days ...




When you're two days down and two days back --- you get a back up race car....:catfight: :lmao:





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Lotus/file.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Lotus/file.jpg.html)

[DaleTx]

When you're two days down and two days back --- you get a back up race car....:catfight: :lmao:





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Lotus/file.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Lotus/file.jpg.html)


Very nice... All you need now is a 69 Camaro! :cool:

[GregWeld]

Very nice... All you need now is a 69 Camaro! :cool:



Dale --- I've had lots of 'em.... and I'm really over it.



:D

[Sieg]

Very nice... All you need now is a 69 Camaro! :cool:

Dale --- I've had lots of 'em.... and I'm really over it.

:D

Well played gentlemen :thumbsup:

How many Camaro's GW? :popcorn2:

That 2-11, an aluminum trailer, and a properly prepped Sprinter van would make a pretty good track day setup.........just thinking out loud. :sieg:

[GregWeld]

How many Camaro's GW? :popcorn2:




4 -- including 2 convertibles... and that's half the number of '66/67 Corvettes I've had -- and I'm over them too.... :D

Sadly -- like most here.... the digital age of photography wasn't around... and with all the moves I've made -- I don't have pics of most of the cars I've had. I do have pics of my very first car! And my Vega... but not a single pic of the '55 Nomad I drove in high school.


Now -- Back to Dale's awesome LS powered '69 race car - 'er I mean - PT Car.

[Flash68]

Dale, what a great trip. You are livin the dream and puttin that thing to good use. Keep it up. Many of us live through you. :D

My company (Autodesk) is based in S.F.

San Rafael you mean? :sieg:

Also saw your car at SEMA back when... loved it. Interested in what changes you have made since.

[PTAddict]

San Rafael you mean? :sieg:

Actually, the company headquarters is still officially San Rafael, but the real center of gravity these days is downtown San Fran at 1 Market Street. That's the single largest product/technical site in Autodesk, and it's where Carl Bass, Jeff Kowalski, etc. are based most of the time. There's also a fantastic new "maker" facility with everything from 7 axis NC to additive manufacturing (aka 3D printing) to welding to sewing, and on and on, which we use to develop and exercise real world applications of our products. It's at Pier 9 on the Embarcadero. I'm definitely going to use that to build some custom stuff going forward.


Also saw your car at SEMA back when... loved it. Interested in what changes you have made since.

Thanks. I've also followed your project, which is amazing :thumbsup:. I haven't made too many significant changes since SEMA, unless you count the extensive road rash on all the quarters :) Fixed a few teething troubles, upgraded to a Rick's/Vaporworx tank, swapped out a few suspension bits, experimented with tires and shock settings and such. Mostly, I've become even more addicted to track days (aka HPDE), and I'm about to start a series of upgrades related to that. I'll start a build thread any day now.

[Track Junky]

Dale --- I'm really over it.



:D

Say that enough times and sooner or later you'll start believing yourself :lol:

[PTAddict]

When you're two days down and two days back --- you get a back up race car....:catfight: :lmao:





http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Lotus/file.jpg (http://s919.photobucket.com/user/gregweld/media/Lotus/file.jpg.html)

And it's an important quality for a back up race car to be very light, tiny, and toy-like :) In all seriousness, I'm jealous. I've had a few of those Loti running up my butt at ORP ...

Very nice... All you need now is a 69 Camaro! :cool:

Dale --- I've had lots of 'em.... and I'm really over it.
:D

Greg, dude, you could be banned for life from this and all other PT related forums. Also, the FBI, CIA, and NSA now have you on their lists of Pinko Commie Terrorist anti-American Radical Sociopaths. WTF, dude, you can't just throw grenades like that anywhere.

Seriously, if I were ever to build another car, it just might not be a ... well, you know.

[GregWeld]

HAHAHAHAHAHA



I love '69 Camaro's... And I'm really happy you all have them.

[Sieg]

HAHAHAHAHAHA



I love '69 Camaro's... And I'm really happy you all have them.

You're a real peach! :D

[DaleTx]

That's awesome Dale. Looks like a great track. Sometimes I kind of miss the scenery of the NW.

Thanks Rick… it was a very fun track. I will be back next year for sure. I’ll bet your not missing the rain here. Today it's 57 degrees, gray and rainy all day.

Dale --- I've had lots of 'em.... and I'm really over it. :D

Greg, that’s cool. You’re a couple of steps ahead of me. I think the Lotus was a great purchase... a car designed to be driven hard on the track... you just strap in, turn the key and go. When it does break down... you just drop it off at the dealership and have them get it ready for next time while you kick back in SV:relax: (i'm jealous)

Can't wait to see it out on the track some day.

Dale, what a great trip. You are livin the dream and puttin that thing to good use. Keep it up. Many of us live through you. :D

Thanks Dave... I look forward to running with you guys down south one day. :D Been following you're build on here... one of my favorites... keep it coming :thumbsup:

Actually, the company headquarters is still officially San Rafael, but the real center of gravity these days is downtown San Fran at 1 Market Street. That's the single largest product/technical site in Autodesk.

Scott, it's a small world. I had no idea you were one of the guys behind Autodesk. I use Inventor 2014 Professional 3D-CAD software in my work. Great stuff!



I have run quite a few track day events this year and pushed the car pretty hard... recently out at PIR I had my first problem. The serpentine belt came off the pulleys when I shifted from 3rd to 4th gear on the back straight. When the serpentine belt came off it took the belt that runs the dry sump oil pump with it... causing low oil pressure and then no oil pressure! When I did some internet research... I found that others running their cars on the track have had the same problem with the serpentine belt coming off.

The belts typically come off between shifts... during the time when the loads on the belt change. The solution in my case is to add an additional idler pulley on the longest leg of the belt that is un-supported. I have designed a mount for an additional idler that I am testing. I tested the new idler at RMP and had no issues with the serpentine belt coming off. When I finalize the design of the idler wheel and mount I will post up pictures of the design.


When the belt came off the dry sump pump I was able to shut the engine off within a few seconds. I coasted into the pits and called the engine builder to get advice on what to do. A.C. Nutter recommended that I have the car towed home, and then pull the pan to check the rod bearings and main bearings just to be safe. I followed his advice... and had the car towed home. The next weekend I pulled the engine and brought it out to A.C.'s shop to have them pull the pan and check everything out.


In the 3 weeks between the event at PIR and RMP I pulled the engine and tranny and then re-installed :hairpullout:

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Ready to go to the shop for inspection

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A.C. told me that the first thing to go when there is no oil pressure is the rod bearings... and then the main bearings. The reason is that there is less area on the rod bearings and higher stresses compared to the main bearings.


It turned out that he was exactly right. Two out of eight rods bearings just started to shows early signs of galling. The main bearings were fine.

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I am very glad that I installed a low oil pressure warning light so I had early warning of low oil pressure. This saved my engine from catastrophic damage. A.C. replaced all the rod bearings and main bearings and I was good to go!

When I took the oil pan off there was one more surprise. I will post info on that later... it has to do with the timing chain tensioner.

:lateral:

[Che70velle]

Great catch!!! What rpm were you turning before shifting? Glad this turned out to your good. It's hard, if not impossible, to lose a dry sump belt at speed, and not pick up a bearing.

[DaleTx]

Great catch!!! What rpm were you turning before shifting? Glad this turned out to your good. It's hard, if not impossible, to lose a dry sump belt at speed, and not pick up a bearing.

Thanks... according to the GPS, I was running 94 mph. Third gear at 94 mph calculates out to 6,500 rpm. As soon as the light came on I let off the gas... slipped it in neutral, and turned the engine off. The early warning saved my engine for sure.

[PTAddict]

Scott, it's a small world. I had no idea you were one of the guys behind Autodesk. I use Inventor 2014 Professional 3D-CAD software in my work. Great stuff!

That's a very small world, because I wrote substantial pieces of the Inventor kernel code back when. Who do you work for? PM me if you think that's better ...

Scott

[PTAddict]

I am very glad that I installed a low oil pressure warning light so I had early warning of low oil pressure. This saved my engine from catastrophic damage. A.C. replaced all the rod bearings and main bearings and I was good to go!
:lateral:

That's an important observation Dale - no matter how well you think you've prepared your car, stuff can go wrong, and immediate notification of something bad can save both expensive parts and your own ass. Very smart to have put that in, and a good lesson for me and, I suspect, a lot of the rest of us.

[Sieg]

.....it has to do with the timing chain tensioner.

Well......it's been over an hour and a half. http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/DirtDOG.gif

[Che70velle]

Sieg, I know where this is going...

[DaleTx]

Well......it's been over an hour and a half. http://d26ya5yqg8yyvs.cloudfront.net/DirtDOG.gif

:action-smiley-027:


When the oil pan was removed to check the rod bearings and main bearings... we found a surprise. The parts shown in the picture were laying in the bottom of the oil pan!

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Here is a picture showing where the parts came from. From the research I have done... this is the new design timing chain "tensioner" that is used on the LS3 engines.

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You can see where the plastic cracked and the part failed.

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This is a picture of an older design timing chain "damper" that was used on the LS2 engines.

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Since the LS3 "tensioner" failed I did some internet research and apparently I am not alone in having a failure with the new LS3 "tensioner". I discussed this problem with the engine builder and he said most of the LS builds he has done used the LS2 style "damper". My engine was one of the first to use the new LS3 design "tensioner".

We have come to the conclusion that since my engine has a larger cam than a stock engine this may have contributed to the failure. With the larger lift cam this may have caused excessive stress on the tensioner.

A.C. installed the LS2 damper rather than the LS3 tensioner for the rebuild. He also installed a new timing chain. No telling how long the engine had run with no tensioner.

From what I have found out... The LS2 damper is the way to go if you run a larger cam and higher RPM. The LS2 damper a very simple design with no moving parts.

I don't want to cause a panic that all engines with LS3 "tensioners" will fail... I just wanted to share what happened to me. I'm glad that my timing chain did not break. I feel very fortunate that I pulled the engine and discovered this problem early on. The good news is that the LS2 damper bolted right in using the same hole pattern as the LS3 tensioner.

[Sieg]

Sieg, I know where this is going...

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[GregWeld]

SO really -- you were lucky TWICE --- the low oil light -- and that item caused you to find the tensioner issue.

You must be living really right!

Welcome to racin' huh!?!?!

My last "expense" was all due to a stinky little valve tip part...

[DaleTx]

SO really -- you were lucky TWICE --- the low oil light -- and that item caused you to find the tensioner issue.

You must be living really right!

Welcome to racin' huh!?!?!

My last "expense" was all due to a stinky little valve tip part...

Lol... yes I was very lucky, It could have been much worse! Now I don't feel so bad about all the work pulling the engine.

Agreed... chalk it up as "racing". When you start running the track days and pushing the car hard, you find weaknesses very quickly.

[DaleTx]

That's a very small world, because I wrote substantial pieces of the Inventor kernel code back when. Who do you work for? PM me if you think that's better ...

Scott

Hey Scott... I am a design engineer at Columbia Machine in Vancouver. If your out that way stop by and I'll show you some "inventor" designed machinery. Previously I used Pro Engineer software, now I prefer "inventor".

:thumbsup:

[rickpaw]

Thanks Rick… it was a very fun track. I will be back next year for sure. I’ll bet your not missing the rain here. Today it's 57 degrees, gray and rainy all day.

Scott, it's a small world. I had no idea you were one of the guys behind Autodesk. I use Inventor 2014 Professional 3D-CAD software in my work. Great stuff!



Hi Dale, I'm glad that there's no major damage to the engine. Makes me think twice about going to track days. I only have a stock 5.3 in my 67 right now. Oh well, it's just money right?

I missed the scenery of the NW, but not the rain. We had a "cold front" here in Houston over the weekend. The high temps dipped to the low 70s.

Scott, I remembered seeing your car on the lift at Steve's back around 2010. We also use Autodesk extensively at my work as well (3D at the last employer).

[DaleTx]

The car is back up on the jack stands…. propane heater fired up… and I’m ready to work on the winter upgrades!

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I have been reading a lot of posts on here recently about safety for pro-touring cars, and the new street car events coming up in 2014 (USCA & ASCS). I have been contemplating what direction to go with my car in terms of “safety features”. Both USCA & ASCS are currently working to define the classes, and rules for their street car events. After reading lots of posts about this I have made a decision of how to set up my car.

My car will be purpose built “pro-touring style”, to allow me to drive comfortably on the street (around town, or on long trips)... and to drive on road courses at HPDE events in my area (PIR, The Ridge Motorsports Park, and ORP). I want to drive on the street, and hang out with my friends at the track. I have the most fun with my car when I’m on the track. It’s fun to go fast on a closed course and see what the car will do (legally) in a safe environment. The direction I'm going is to build a multi-purpose car and make it as safe as possible for both types of driving.

Currently my car has upgraded brakes; chassis mods; solid body bushings; sub-frame connectors; driveline loop; fabricated tubular a-arms; front and rear sway bars; modified suspension; 4 point roll bar; Sparco seats with side bolsters; 5 point seat belts; and on board fire extinguisher.


Here is my plan for this winters upgrades:

Personal safety equipment to purchase:
Driver suit.
Gloves.
Shoes.
Helmet set up with Hans, or similar type device.

Upgrades to chassis/brakes:
New front spindles with higher strength, and higher load rated bearings.
Install ducting to help cool front brakes.
Add removable door bar tubes that attach to the 4-point roll bar.

Upgrades to engine and trans:
Modify front drive to prevent the serpentine belt from rolling off the pulleys and taking out the dry sump pump belt (this happened last summer!).
Replace timing gears and chain to new Cloyes LS Z-Racing set up.
Replace GM ZR1 LS9 hydraulic throw-out bearing with Katech HD Tilton unit.

Also… I will inspect critical parts, and check bolt tightness on a regular basis… and limit my top speed to 135 mph (in my car that’s 6,700 RPM in 4th gear). I have noticed when I get over 135 MPH the aerodynamics become an issue. Up to 135 MPH the car is stable, and rock solid... so 135 mph will be my own personal speed limit (plenty fast to have fun!). At some point I could do aero upgrades... but not now.



On to the winter upgrades.
Right before the SEMA show this year... I went for a drive and my throw-out bearing started making a loud squealing sound when I pushed the clutch in. Yesterday I pulled the trans to check it out.

This is what I found :hairpullout:
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I was pretty disappointed to see the $300 ZR1 OEM throw-out bearing fail after only one season of use! I called Jason at Katech and he said they never used to have a problem with these bearings… but recently have seen several fail. He said something changed with the OEM supplier and he suspects the grease melts out, overheats the bearing, and melts the plastic slider (I would be curious if Carl C. or others, have input on the bearing failure). My bearing fell apart when I pulled it out (balls fell out on the ground)… the slider was melted… and the bearing appeared to be very dry (no grease). Jason said he has seen this scenario before with guys that track their cars.


The fix

Since I bought my ZR1 twin disc clutch kit from Katech (2 years ago)... they have come up with a heavy duty hydraulic throw-out bearing setup that fits the T56 transmission. The new HD set up is recommended for guys tracking their cars. This bearing has no spring, and only contacts the clutch forks when the clutch is pushed in. The slider is aluminum instead of plastic... and the bearing is a heavy duty sealed bearing.


Pics of the new throw-out bearing set up

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New bearing height is the same as the OEM unit

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I didn't think I would be pulling the trans again so soon. Driving on the track is hard on things. I'll just keep working towards making the car as bulletproof as possible.

Thanks to Ron S. and the other guys on here for all the great discussion on safety!

:cheers:

[redefined]

Awesome decision on the safety upgrades! Your thoughts in your last post relating to what you enjoy doing with your car is almost spot on as myself! Good looking car!

I'm thinking of doing the Heidts front and rear full kits on mine before even doing an LS swap. Can't decide though since the suspension is already started with other arms and upgraded parts!

Heck of a build, stay warm in that garage!

[GregWeld]

Good stuff and good thoughts Dale!



#1 --- I have a couple fire suits -- Go with a lightweight version (summer driving) if you are only going to get one. My heavier duty (more fireproof) version is just a sweat box in the summer.


#2 --- I like your top speed limiting thoughts. It's good that you've felt that and know to pay attention to it. A car can get real ugly once that air gets up the car.


I think the rear end gears in the Mustang are my limiter... and as you rightly pointed out - these speeds are plenty.


I'm running a Tilton in the Mustang -- it took them three times to get it right so it doesn't squeal like a pig...

[71RS/SS396]

Dale, just a heads up, we've had some problems with the bearing in that Cloyes timing set failing. The bearing is not a good match with the oem thrust plate, the hole in the thrust plate needs to be chamfered to clear the lip/ridge on the bearing, we don't use the bearing anymore, we custom machine a bronze bushing for each engine so we can get the chain tension we want.

[DaleTx]

Awesome decision on the safety upgrades! Your thoughts in your last post relating to what you enjoy doing with your car is almost spot on as myself! Good looking car!

I'm thinking of doing the Heidts front and rear full kits on mine before even doing an LS swap. Can't decide though since the suspension is already started with other arms and upgraded parts!

Heck of a build, stay warm in that garage!

Thanks for the compliments! I was struggling to figure out what to do... but feel good about the choices now. I think your making the right decision to do the chassis upgrades before adding more power...good luck with your build.

:cheers:

Good stuff and good thoughts Dale!



#1 --- I have a couple fire suits -- Go with a lightweight version (summer driving) if you are only going to get one. My heavier duty (more fireproof) version is just a sweat box in the summer.


#2 --- I like your top speed limiting thoughts. It's good that you've felt that and know to pay attention to it. A car can get real ugly once that air gets up the car.


I think the rear end gears in the Mustang are my limiter... and as you rightly pointed out - these speeds are plenty.


I'm running a Tilton in the Mustang -- it took them three times to get it right so it doesn't squeal like a pig...

Thanks Greg... I just now noticed you changed the location in your sig to "Sun Valley", should be some awesome skiing about now. Sounds like a great place to be for Christmas :thumbsup:

Appreciate the advice on the fire suits... right now I don't have a clue. Do you have the two piece, or one piece driver suit? After doing some online shopping I'm thinking one piece... Nomex material... either one layer or two. Not sure which brand yet.

:thankyou:


Dale, just a heads up, we've had some problems with the bearing in that Cloyes timing set failing. The bearing is not a good match with the oem thrust plate, the hole in the thrust plate needs to be chamfered to clear the lip/ridge on the bearing, we don't use the bearing anymore, we custom machine a bronze bushing for each engine so we can get the chain tension we want.

Hey Tim...thanks for the heads up. I will pass this info along to my engine builder... I think he just purchased a couple of the sets of the Z racing stuff.

[GregWeld]

Both my driving suits are the one piece "jump suit style". At track days you tend to be in them all day long -- I have one that is thicker and heavier material (more fire retardant) than the other - but I can't go look since they're hanging in the trailer.


Yeah -- here (Sun Valley) for the winter.... and maybe spring and summer -- they should break ground on the house about the time ski season ends. I've got 5 days in already and it's not even Xmas yet! I pretty much ski every other day - but never on weekends... and the "tourists" will descend like locusts this week - so will skip this period between Xmas and New Years.

[DaleTx]

Both my driving suits are the one piece "jump suit style". At track days you tend to be in them all day long -- I have one that is thicker and heavier material (more fire retardant) than the other - but I can't go look since they're hanging in the trailer.

Thanks for the info Greg.





Wanted to share this here. I got my Christmas wish today.... my son made it safely back to the states on Sunday from his second deployment to Afghanistan! He won't be home for Christmas...but I will see him soon.

I am a happy Dad right now :thumbsup:

God bless our troops still there and I pray for their safety.

My son is the one on the right with sun glasses
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Back to base on Sunday after several days of travel
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:flag2:

[Lenie]

Congrats Dale, great Christmas gift as the most important things in life are our families. Have a Merry Christmas.

[DaleTx]

Thanks Lenie... Merry Christmas to you and you family!

[tmadden]

That's the best gift of all! God bless the troops.

[Flash68]

Awesome Dale (regarding your son coming home!) and also awesome on the Camaro plans. I like your well thought out plan. Everyone has their own goals and agenda and you have thought hard on yours and are putting a plan together to execute. :thumbsup:


Appreciate the advice on the fire suits... right now I don't have a clue. Do you have the two piece, or one piece driver suit? After doing some online shopping I'm thinking one piece... Nomex material... either one layer or two. Not sure which brand yet.

:thankyou:





First, I would suggest going somewhere you can try them on. Not all brands fit the same apples to apples regarding sizes (like the helmets too). I first bought a "budget" suit (Sparco Jade) for about $300 (sight unseen) and it was HEAVY. I thought I was hot standing in my house with it on - I was imagining near death at Thunderhill or somewhere in the summer. So I sold it and went to the shop up at Sonoma (Infineon) and tried on several when they were having a big end of year sale. Spent quite a bit more money but got a good 3 piece (the Jade was a thick 3 piece) with MORE protection (better rating) and it felt 1/3 the size and thickness. Night and day difference. Depends on your budget of course, but as many have said, safety items are probably not the best things to skimp on.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

[redefined]

I second what Greg says about the light weight suits. I have 2 also, my 'not so light' one is crazy because it's heavier and has no vents so even in 30deg days I stay warm, but I'm also soaking wet because it doesn't breath.

Go light weight but I'd also suggest 2 layers. A lot of people I know go with 2 layers AND still do the underwear layer of fireproof. Can't be to safe right? I'd rather have a light weight 2 piece suit and underwear and spend more money than get burnt. Just my .02$

[Sieg]

Glad to hear it Dale! Merry Christmas buddy :thumbsup:

[fleet]

Dale,

Wow, that is great news on your son!

It's a blessing to see a picture of him too. :thumbsup:

Regarding the driver and car safety/performance/reliability upgrades, good stuff obviously and your taking the time to lay it all out in detail is appreciated.

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Dale, great Christmas gift as the most important things in life are our families. Have a Merry Christmas.

We'll said Lenny and Dale I'm very happy you got the best Xmas gift of all :thumbsup:

[DaleTx]

That's the best gift of all! God bless the troops.

Glad to hear it Dale! Merry Christmas buddy :thumbsup:

Dale,

Wow, that is great news on your son!

It's a blessing to see a picture of him too. :thumbsup:

Regarding the driver and car safety/performance/reliability upgrades, good stuff obviously and your taking the time to lay it all out in detail is appreciated.

We'll said Lenny and Dale I'm very happy you got the best Xmas gift of all :thumbsup:

Thanks guys… I really appreciate your thoughts and comments. I look forward to some quality father son time very soon :thumbsup:

Enjoy the holidays and time spent with your families...

[DaleTx]

I second what Greg says about the light weight suits. I have 2 also, my 'not so light' one is crazy because it's heavier and has no vents so even in 30deg days I stay warm, but I'm also soaking wet because it doesn't breath.

Go light weight but I'd also suggest 2 layers. A lot of people I know go with 2 layers AND still do the underwear layer of fireproof. Can't be to safe right? I'd rather have a light weight 2 piece suit and underwear and spend more money than get burnt. Just my .02$

Thanks... appreciate the great info.


Awesome Dale (regarding your son coming home!) and also awesome on the Camaro plans. I like your well thought out plan. Everyone has their own goals and agenda and you have thought hard on yours and are putting a plan together to execute. :thumbsup:

First, I would suggest going somewhere you can try them on. Not all brands fit the same apples to apples regarding sizes (like the helmets too). I first bought a "budget" suit (Sparco Jade) for about $300 (sight unseen) and it was HEAVY. I thought I was hot standing in my house with it on - I was imagining near death at Thunderhill or somewhere in the summer. So I sold it and went to the shop up at Sonoma (Infineon) and tried on several when they were having a big end of year sale. Spent quite a bit more money but got a good 3 piece (the Jade was a thick 3 piece) with MORE protection (better rating) and it felt 1/3 the size and thickness. Night and day difference. Depends on your budget of course, but as many have said, safety items are probably not the best things to skimp on.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Dave, Thanks for the compliments on the build plan. All the discussion about safety here recently caught my attention, and I think it's a good thing.

Also... thanks for the insight on purchasing a driving suit... very helpful :thumbsup:

[rickpaw]

That's great regarding your son coming home. Please extend my thanks for his service.

Can't wait to see the upgrades you're planning for the car.

Tu

[FETorino]

Dale

Great news on your christmas present. The apples usually don't fall far from the tree so I'm sure your son is a fine young man.:thumbsup:

:cheers:

[Rod P]

:popcorn2: I likey

[Track Junky]

Whats the word Dale. Real interested in that spindle and steering arm set up. :hello:

[DaleTx]

Whats the word Dale. Real interested in that spindle and steering arm set up. :hello:


It’s has been a while since I’ve posted in this thread. I took the car apart this past winter for some upgrades and still do not have it back together (getting close though).

My goal was to upgrade the 45 year old GM front spindles to some stronger spindles with higher load rated bearings.

I ended up buying a complete package from Ron Sutton Race Technology. Ron designed new custom front spindles, and a brake package to work with my stock front sub-frame and Global West Tubular A-arms. The geometry of the spindle is optimized to improve handling over the stock spindles, and the steering arms are adjustable so I can fine tune the steering ratio (quicker for autocross... slower for road course). The new brake package will increase my total braking torque from 2352 to 3404 (major improvement... can't wait to try them out!).

Some of these pictures are posted in the chassis and suspension section under "front suspension & steering geometry" but I wanted to update this thread to.

Here is some pictures of the new parts:

Spec 37 rotor with custom billet hub.
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014012_zps9f71adc3.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014012_zps9f71adc3.jpg.html)


http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014013_zpsb513e6ee.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014013_zpsb513e6ee.jpg.html)


Wilwood large 6 piston calipers
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014030_zps01040a76.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014030_zps01040a76.jpg.html)


http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014031_zpsfaa12b9c.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014031_zpsfaa12b9c.jpg.html)


Howe upper & lower ball joints. Low friction coating... bigger diameter. Stock upper ball joint shown on lower left.
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014023_zpsf90cadcb.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014023_zpsf90cadcb.jpg.html)


Billet aluminum steering arm
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014034_zps0e9a2cd0.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014034_zps0e9a2cd0.jpg.html)


The steering arm has an insert that you can swap out to change the location of the tie rod mount. This allows fine tuning of the steering ratio. This pic shows the caliper mounted to the spindle.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014045_zpsd388da74.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014045_zpsd388da74.jpg.html)


Custom optimized spindles
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014033_zps953e6153.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014033_zps953e6153.jpg.html)


http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014032_zps506532be.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014032_zps506532be.jpg.html)


Large diameter spindle
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014035_zpsa8a96246.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014035_zpsa8a96246.jpg.html)


Massive Timken tapered cylindrical roller bearing
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014055_zpsaa062f5d.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014055_zpsaa062f5d.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/may122014049_zpsac87eab7.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/may122014049_zpsac87eab7.jpg.html)



Now I have all the parts in my possession... I'm back from vacation and I’m working to get the car back together.

Upper ball joint mounted
http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june92014029_zpsce8d4f72.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june92014029_zpsce8d4f72.jpg.html)

I plan to install the rest of the parts this week. I'll post pics as I go, and provide more info on the adjustable length steering arms.
Look forward to trying out the new parts very soon. Kudos to Ron!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

looking good. thats some serious shheet right there. I think Gaetano's dreams were just shattered. LOL

[Track Junky]

Was wondering when you were going to turn up. That's some stout hardware. Looking forward to seeing it come together. :thumbsup:

[Track Junky]

looking good. thats some serious shheet right there. I think Gaetano's dreams were just shattered. LOL

Negative Ghost Rider. Pretty sure we'll be headed the same direction. :thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Coleman makes a nice piece.

[intocarss]

Lookn great Dale!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[fleet]

looking good. thats some serious shheet right there. I think Gaetano's dreams were just shattered. LOL

Negative Ghost Rider. Pretty sure we'll be headed the same direction. :thumbsup:

Yep...to 'Sutton's Secret Sauce Cafe & Warehouse'




:D

[rickpaw]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Looking forward to hear how the new parts work out.

Tu

[GregWeld]

So wait..... All this time has past.. and the total update was that you've installed the upper ball joint??? LOL


Okay.


Dale.... have you stroked out on us? Are you feeling alright? Fever? Pulse?



:warning: :lol:

[Track Junky]

Yep...to 'Sutton's Secret Sauce Cafe & Warehouse'

:D

He nailed the rear shocks for me with His "Secret Sauce". I was driving on the street after geting it all put together and some guy at a stop light was begging me to roast the tires. Amazing how the car felt at launch and throughout the burn out with the new shocks comaored to the QA-1's. :thumbsup:

[fleet]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Looking forward to hear how the new parts work out.

Tu

Don't make us wait too long Dale. :D

He nailed the rear shocks for me with His "Secret Sauce". I was driving on the street after geting it all put together and some guy at a stop light was begging me to roast the tires. Amazing how the car felt at launch and throughout the burn out with the new shocks comaored to the QA-1's. :thumbsup:

I believe it!

Good Ron must be real busy sending truckloads of that sauce out. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Don't make us wait too long Dale. :D



I believe it!

Good Ron must be real busy sending truckloads of that sauce out. :thumbsup:



Good Ron is Ron Schwartz (57hemicuda).... Not Ron Sutton... Just FYI

Bad Ron is Ron Meyer (Ron in SoCal).... Not Ron Sutton... Just FYI

[fleet]

Good Ron is Ron Schwartz (57hemicuda).... Not Ron Sutton... Just FYI


Oh I know...

IMO you need good Ron's on both coasts....cuz Badd Ron is a jetsetter.

:thankyou:

[Ron in SoCal]

Oh I know...

IMO you need good Ron's on both coasts....cuz Badd Ron is a jetsetter.

:thankyou:

Lol Skip, reading this on a plane right now :hello:

[fleet]

Lol Skip, reading this on a plane right now :hello:

Ron,

That is funny. :D

To name just a few...you've got DP, good Rob has a TP, DG a SB 2.2 and I'm watchin 'The Rockford Files.

We're all livin the dream!

#Winning

:walkingdog:

[Sieg]

So wait..... All this time has past.. and the total update was that you've installed the upper ball joint??? LOL


Okay.


Dale.... have you stroked out on us? Are you feeling alright? Fever? Pulse?



:warning: :lol:
Unlike many of us Dale is actually busting his butt at work and on his car.

Unlike a few he's actually making noteworthy progress too!

:underchair:

He nailed the rear shocks for me with His "Secret Sauce". I was driving on the street after geting it all put together and some guy at a stop light was begging me to roast the tires. Amazing how the car felt at launch and throughout the burn out with the new shocks comaored to the QA-1's. :thumbsup:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Hg0ymZZjfqg/TqM34EnLLXI/AAAAAAAAABI/zBpjLUi0Itg/s1600/8817_103627786315292_100000042141947_102389_350437 7_n.jpg

:lol:

[GregWeld]

Let him make up his own excuses.....

[Vince@Meanstreets]

and here all along he though QA-1's were the bomba

[GregWeld]

and here all along he though QA-1's were the bomba

I wouldn't even run em on my hot rods.

[Flash68]

One of the few remaining threads that wasn't all jacked up. Past tense.

Well done fellas.

:action-smiley-027:

[fleet]

One of the few remaining threads that wasn't all jacked up. Past tense.

Well done fellas.

:action-smiley-027:

Ah, the pile on...

This is like Ken Block lecturing Vaughn Gittin, Junyah on his driving style. :shakehead:


:D

[Ron Sutton]

Yep...to 'Sutton's Secret Sauce Cafe & Warehouse'

:D

It's Doctor Ron's Hot Rod Bar & Grill ... in my dreams anyway.



:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

So wait..... All this time has past.. and the total update was that you've installed the upper ball joint??? LOL


Okay.


Dale.... have you stroked out on us? Are you feeling alright? Fever? Pulse?



:warning: :lol:


LOL. It's not Dale's fault the car's not back together. It's mine ... sorta. I used a special Howe ball joint housing that allows us to use a much bigger ball joint pin for strength reasons. The factory ones are tiny. Cute ... but tiny.

Anyway ... Howe makes these new lower ball joint housings that fit in 67-69 F-body & '64-'72 A-Body lower control arms ... that fit a much larger, beefier, ball joint stud. I assembled the housings with the correct height stud ... adjusted for zero friction ... and sent them with the total package. When Dale got back from his trip & went to install them ... they slipped right into the LCA ball joint opening with no press fit. :thmbsdwn:

My "WTF" conversation with Howe led to a curious & disappointing answer. Most of the racers running "stock appearing" lower control arms in racing series across America ... are using new stamped LCAs that are foreign made ... that have the BJ hole TOO SMALL. So Howe made this particular ball joint housing smaller ... to fit the imported LCAs. And now ... they don't properly fit accurately made in America LCA's that have the correct lower ball joint size. :warning:

Grrrr. So we're giving the import crap priority? Really?

Anyway Greg ... this reminds me of the conversation we were having earlier about new stuff not fitting.

For anyone that cares ...
The factory BJ opening for the AFX LCAs should be 2.000"
Most ball joints for these LCAs are 2.003"-2.005" for a .003"-.005" press fit.
The new bigger Howe BJ housing was 1.984"

It wasn't a big deal to fix it. I just got 2 new new Howe housings (that use the bigger studs) of a larger diameter & turned the base down to 2.005". Shipped them priority to Dale today.

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

He nailed the rear shocks for me with His "Secret Sauce". I was driving on the street after geting it all put together and some guy at a stop light was begging me to roast the tires. Amazing how the car felt at launch and throughout the burn out with the new shocks comaored to the QA-1's. :thumbsup:

Those rear shocks you have are super trick.

My secret sauce high rebound/digressive valving for rear shocks for more grip ... which is VERY different than the high rebound/digressive valving front shocks need ... is only part of this equation. These particular shocks have super low stiction & ultra fast piston/shaft response speed to increase grip over the typical irregular track surfaces. So when the shock needs to respond 5-10 times per second to keep the tire contact patch at 100% ... this shock can do it.

Part of the reason this is possible, is based on the inner design of this particular shock. It allows us to run ultra low gas pressure without cavitation issues. If I said how low we run the gas pressure, most knowledgeable shock guys would not believe it. That is another key to why those shocks provide so much grip.

You said you needed a lot more rear grip. :)

[SSLance]

LOL. It's not Dale's fault the car's not back together. It's mine ... sorta. I used a special Howe ball joint housing that allows us to use a much bigger ball joint pin for strength reasons. The factory ones are tiny. Cute ... but tiny.

Anyway ... Howe makes these new lower ball joint housings that fit in 67-69 F-body & '64-'72 A-Body lower control arms ... that fit a much larger, beefier, ball joint stud. I assembled the housings with the correct height stud ... adjusted for zero friction ... and sent them with the total package. When Dale got back from his trip & went to install them ... they slipped right into the LCA ball joint opening with no press fit. :thmbsdwn:



That sounds just like something that would happen to Lance... Try to do something simple to make something better than it was originally and it turns into a clustermess.

Glad the fix wasn't too cumbersome. Can't wait to see this project come together.

[DaleTx]

looking good. thats some serious shheet right there. I think Gaetano's dreams were just shattered. LOL

Was wondering when you were going to turn up. That's some stout hardware. Looking forward to seeing it come together.

Lookn great Dale!! :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

Looking forward to hear how the new parts work out.

Tu


Thanks guys... appreciate the comments!

So wait..... All this time has past.. and the total update was that you've installed the upper ball joint??? LOL

Okay.

Dale.... have you stroked out on us? Are you feeling alright? Fever? Pulse?

:warning: :lol:


Lol... I'm okay. I really have done quite a bit of work. It will all come together very soon!



Good Ron must be real busy sending truckloads of that sauce out. :thumbsup:


I'm glad that I got some of the sauce :cheers:

Unlike many of us Dale is actually busting his butt at work and on his car.

Unlike a few he's actually making noteworthy progress too!



Thanks Sieg... I plan to have the car ready so we can meet up at the historic races again this year.


One of the few remaining threads that wasn't all jacked up. Past tense.

Well done fellas.

:action-smiley-027:

No problem!

That sounds just like something that would happen to Lance... Try to do something simple to make something better than it was originally and it turns into a clustermess.

Glad the fix wasn't too cumbersome. Can't wait to see this project come together.

Thanks Lance.

I just got 2 new new Howe housings (that use the bigger studs) of a larger diameter & turned the base down to 2.005". Shipped them priority to Dale today.

:cheers:

Thanks Ron... appreciate that!




Also... I been working on some other upgrades to the car recently. I'm building a new larger spoiler with a splitter similar to the one shown here on "Big Red".

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/_69CamaroBigRed_zps6068243b.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/_69CamaroBigRed_zps6068243b.jpg.html)


The spoiler comes back around the side (hard to see in the pic)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/bigredb_zps0e4a2283.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/bigredb_zps0e4a2283.jpg.html)


I've been wanting to improve the aerodynamics on the car so this is a start... I like the looks of this design.

:cheers:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

LOL. It's not Dale's fault the car's not back together. It's mine ... sorta. I used a special Howe ball joint housing that allows us to use a much bigger ball joint pin for strength reasons. The factory ones are tiny. Cute ... but tiny.

Anyway ... Howe makes these new lower ball joint housings that fit in 67-69 F-body & '64-'72 A-Body lower control arms ... that fit a much larger, beefier, ball joint stud. I assembled the housings with the correct height stud ... adjusted for zero friction ... and sent them with the total package. When Dale got back from his trip & went to install them ... they slipped right into the LCA ball joint opening with no press fit. :thmbsdwn:

My "WTF" conversation with Howe led to a curious & disappointing answer. Most of the racers running "stock appearing" lower control arms in racing series across America ... are using new stamped LCAs that are foreign made ... that have the BJ hole TOO SMALL. So Howe made this particular ball joint housing smaller ... to fit the imported LCAs. And now ... they don't properly fit accurately made in America LCA's that have the correct lower ball joint size. :warning:

Grrrr. So we're giving the import crap priority? Really?

Anyway Greg ... this reminds me of the conversation we were having earlier about new stuff not fitting.

For anyone that cares ...
The factory BJ opening for the AFX LCAs should be 2.000"
Most ball joints for these LCAs are 2.003"-2.005" for a .003"-.005" press fit.
The new bigger Howe BJ housing was 1.984"

It wasn't a big deal to fix it. I just got 2 new new Howe housings (that use the bigger studs) of a larger diameter & turned the base down to 2.005". Shipped them priority to Dale today.

:cheers:




Are these the LBJ's that have the sevicable ball/stud right? Is there a stud spec chart available? Ive been looking but haven't found it.



Can't wait to see more Dale!!

[Sieg]

Are these the LBJ's that have the sevicable ball/stud right? Is there a stud spec chart available? Ive been looking but haven't found it.



Can't wait to see more Dale!!

Try this: https://www.howeracing.com/p-7939-howe-22421-fits-k5103.aspx

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Try this: https://www.howeracing.com/p-7939-howe-22421-fits-k5103.aspx

Thanks Scott, i have that but im looking for stud specs.....I think I have an idea.

[Che70velle]

Those rear shocks you have are super trick.

My secret sauce high rebound/digressive valving for rear shocks for more grip ... which is VERY different than the high rebound/digressive valving front shocks need ... is only part of this equation. These particular shocks have super low stiction & ultra fast piston/shaft response speed to increase grip over the typical irregular track surfaces. So when the shock needs to respond 5-10 times per second to keep the tire contact patch at 100% ... this shock can do it.

Part of the reason this is possible, is based on the inner design of this particular shock. It allows us to run ultra low gas pressure without cavitation issues. If I said how low we run the gas pressure, most knowledgeable shock guys would not believe it. That is another key to why those shocks provide so much grip.

You said you needed a lot more rear grip. :)





Ron, shhhhhh! Too much info here...

[fleet]

Any updates Dale?

[Sieg]

Any updates Dale?

Waiting on a call myself. :whistling:

[DaleTx]

Any updates Dale?

Hi Skip... thanks for asking.

Waiting on a call myself. :whistling:

I'll call you tomorrow :)


Over the past several months I have been working towards getting the car back together. Two weeks ago I finished all the updates... one week ago I took the car out to PIR to test the new set up with the new parts from Ron Sutton Racing (new spindles with optimized geometry, new hubs with heavy duty bearings, spec 37 rotors, six piston calipers, custom caliper mounts; adjustable steering arms; custom bump steer spacers; and custom height ball joints).

In addition I bought a new set of Formula 43 18" forged 3 piece wheels and Falken 615K 200 treadwear tires... and for added driver safety I purchased a G-Force Nomex fireproof driving suit, and a Hans Sport II head restraint.

Here is a few pics of the new parts.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june242014032_zps5b2ac5f1.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june242014032_zps5b2ac5f1.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june242014029_zps8d2701ff.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june242014029_zps8d2701ff.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june242014007_zpsa21c44d9.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june242014007_zpsa21c44d9.jpg.html)


New track star spindle bearings on the left... stock bearings on the right

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june242014051_zps18ae4f72.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june242014051_zps18ae4f72.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june242014067_zps0cec4331.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june242014067_zps0cec4331.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/june242014044_zpsd1a8879d.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/june242014044_zpsd1a8879d.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/july142014068_zps57a9f25a.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/july142014068_zps57a9f25a.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/july142014069_zps4557c6c6.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/july142014069_zps4557c6c6.jpg.html)

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/july142014072_zps68d8f18e.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/july142014072_zps68d8f18e.jpg.html)


I documented the process of doing all the updates to the front end... including relocating the pivot points on the frame, dialing in the bump steer, and some other stuff I learned along the way. Also I will share new design I did for adjusting the coil spring pre-load (ride height) in less than one minute.


I have been fine tuning the handling on my car for several years now and thought it was pretty good. With the new optimized front end geometry, roll center, and the new parts... the grip in the corners is night and day difference! I couldn't be happier... well worth all the work and expense.

More updates coming.

(Thanks Ron)
:cheers:

[efs69]

Fantastic updates. Those new bearings are massive compared to the stockers. Your attention to detail and well thought out upgrades are top notch. Not sure if I missed it somewhere but anything new on the rear?

[fleet]

Fantastic updates. Those new bearings are massive compared to the stockers. Your attention to detail and well thought out upgrades are top notch. Not sure if I missed it somewhere but anything new on the rear?

X2!

Hope all is well with your son, Dale. :thumbsup:

[rickpaw]

Thanks for the update Dale. The new wheels will look great on the car.

[GregWeld]

So you mean... there's hope for my Mustang?!?!?!?!



Yipppeeeeeeee ---- Good update Dale! Glad that was well worth the effort.



I have to say -- while the rest of these guys are GUESSING at what they need for handling improvements by just throwing parts at their cars.... SUTTON actually does the math required - and more importantly - he has the knowledge of what works and what doesn't. I'm really looking forward to putting my car on track to feel the "new and improved" version.

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Dale! :cheers:

Those big un tares fit unda thar?

[SSLance]

I have been fine tuning the handling on my car for several years now and thought it was pretty good. With the new optimized front end geometry, roll center, and the new parts... the grip in the corners is night and day difference! I couldn't be happier... well worth all the work and expense.

More updates coming.

(Thanks Ron)
:cheers:


So it handles much better even with the less sticky tires huh? Sounds familiar... :whistling:

That spindle pin is MASSIVE!!

Can't wait to see the pics and details of the pivot point relocating...along with everything else.

[tubbed69]

Thanks for the update Dale. The new wheels will look great on the car.

X2 nice wheels

[Vince@Meanstreets]

looking good dale.

what did you end up with as far as alignment specs? curious to see your static camber number.

[DaleTx]

Fantastic updates. Those new bearings are massive compared to the stockers. Your attention to detail and well thought out upgrades are top notch. Not sure if I missed it somewhere but anything new on the rear?

Thanks! The new bearings provide a nice factor of safety whereas the stock bearings were pushed to the limit of the load rating when tracking the car.

No changes on the rear yet... I'm planning to go with a 3 link set up for a future project.

X2!

Hope all is well with your son, Dale. :thumbsup:

Thanks Skip :thumbsup: My son is safely back in the states after his second deployment to Afghanistan. He maintains the electronic systems on the Boeing AH64D Apache helicopters.


Here is a couple of pictures taken in Afghanistan.

Apache attack helicopter.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/apachejt1_zpsc7aac721.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/apachejt1_zpsc7aac721.jpg.html)

These guys are all so young! My son is second from the left on the top row. Their regiments lineage goes back to the flying tigers from world war II. All the Apaches have the shark tooth art work.

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s364/daltol/justinheli1_zpsf4920f65.jpg (http://s1048.photobucket.com/user/daltol/media/justinheli1_zpsf4920f65.jpg.html)

God bless our troops :flag2:


Thanks for the update Dale. The new wheels will look great on the car.

Thanks!

So you mean... there's hope for my Mustang?!?!?!?!



Yipppeeeeeeee ---- Good update Dale! Glad that was well worth the effort.



I have to say -- while the rest of these guys are GUESSING at what they need for handling improvements by just throwing parts at their cars.... SUTTON actually does the math required - and more importantly - he has the knowledge of what works and what doesn't. I'm really looking forward to putting my car on track to feel the "new and improved" version.

Thanks Greg... yes there is hope! Ron is one of those rare people that not only knows how to design the parts and set up the chassis and suspension properly (through the math)... but he can explain things and communicate to us average guys. It was a great experience working with him. I'll keep an eye out for the updates on your mustang.

Congrats Dale! :cheers:

Those big un tares fit unda thar?

Thanks Ron! Oh yeah... tires fit just fine (no rubs). Hope your enjoying the car :cheers:

So it handles much better even with the less sticky tires huh? Sounds familiar... :whistling:

That spindle pin is MASSIVE!!

Can't wait to see the pics and details of the pivot point relocating...along with everything else.

Thanks Lance... I was impressed with the Falken tires.

The new spindles will have very little deflection compared to the stock spindles.

X2 nice wheels

Thanks!

looking good dale.

what did you end up with as far as alignment specs? curious to see your static camber number.

Thanks Vince... The static camber was set at negative 1 degree, and the toe was set at 1/8" toe out (total) at ride height. With the new geometry and increased camber gain the set up worked out great. On the previous set up I had the camber set at negative 2 degrees.

The bump steer was set to increase toe out to 1/4" (total) when the suspension is compressed to the lower bump stop, and 0 when the suspension is extended to the upper bump stop.

Ron walked me through the process for setting the bump steer using a laser beam on a target 5 feet out in front of the car. Once I got it dialed in then he made the correct size spacers to connect the tie rod to the steering arm. I'll post more details on that later.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Nice, tell your son, thanks for keeping them Longbows operational.

Very nice set up. I love the tall set ups. Can't wait to see the details.

[Flash68]

How ya doin Dale? :cheers:

[jeff71]

Subscribed.

Love your build. Post up a pic of what it looks like with the new wheels. How did the brakes perform? You didn't upgrade rear brakes did you?

Jeff

[Flash68]

Yeah Dale, shoot us an update... hope all is well in the new year.

:cheers:

[fleet]

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