The Most Detailed LS3 In The Universe!

[Al Moreno]

Edit: This has become more of a built thread then originally intended.

So I figured we add pictures of the car also.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319074/G5R_front-view_Final_001-web_zps6f53755e.jpg


Hey guys, though I'd post a few pics of my sons project. It's a Gen 5 Camaro SS hes been working on.

On the performance side:

It's been bored and stroked to a 418, 11.4.1 compression, heads massage by Lingefelter, GT11 Lingenfelter cam, CP pistons, Lunati crank and rods, Meizire Electric water pump, Innovators West 8 rid front drive, Turn One power Steering pump, Every freakin bolt inside and out has been replaced with ARP, Pure power billet oil filter, Katech tensioner, Improved Raving valley baffle, ported intake and throttle body, etc, etc...

On the attention to detail:

The entire block, both inside and out along with the cylinder heads have been completely grounded smooth. All the accessories front drive brackets and the motor mounts were completed sanded and powder coated in "Anthracite". The oil pan, valley tray and timing chain cover powder coated in texture black. The thermostat housing powder coated onxy, intake in a gun metal gray. The block, heads, alternator, ac compressor, power steering pump all sanded down of any casting and painted BMW "Frozen" gray It's a gun metal gray with flat clear). All the pulleys were given a brush finish. Ring Brother washer for the intake bolts and throttle body, Lokar dip stick, etc, etc ......

There is a lot more but you get the idea.

Here's a couple of pics:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_1295-Edit2.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_1304-Edit.jpg

After relocating the factory EVAC solenoid and negative battery cable that mounted to the front of the cylinder head, the 4 factory bolt holes on the were no longer needed, so they were welded in and the face re-milled.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/028-6.jpg

The factory vapor tube was replace with XRP AN lines and fittings.

[214Chevy]

..... It's a Gen"_"Camaro SS hes been working on.


Beautiful, just beautiful. :hail: :hail: That belongs in Chevy's museum. It's too darn pretty to put in a car. Now let's see some pics of what it's going in. You forgot to tell us what number gen Camaro your son has.

[OVRKILL]

Nate is your son!!! Guess same last names should have been a give away :lol: He and I have had a few conversations over on Camaro5 in the past few months. He does beautiful work.....you should be proud. Lol, because of him, I now have a LOOOONGER winter list :censored:

[Rick D]

Very nice Al, your son has a eye for details that's for sure :thumbsup: He would fit right in at RS or Troys shop :yes:

[MattG]

That's so pretty that it should be on a stand in my living room! I'm sure my wife would feel the same.

Great work! :thumbsup:

[NOPANTS68]

Bitchin work. It's so smooth I thought it was a rendering at first. Amazing.

[Rybar]

Very Nice Al, tell him it looks fantastic. :thumbsup:

[DFRESH]

Dude--that is sweet.

Makes me wonder what the car will look like :unibrow:

D

[garickman]

Dude--that is sweet.

Makes me wonder what the car will look like :unibrow:

D

Yeah, that is some serious detail.

[John510]

Awesome. That is one nice LS3

[Streetking]

Beautiful, almost a shame to put it in a car!:)

[LowchevyII]

Beautiful, almost a shame to put it in a car!:)

Took the words right out of my mouth. Museum piece for sure.

[garickman]

Do you have any pics before it was assembled after the parts were powder coated?

[Matt@BOS]

:hail: That is a thing of beauty Al.

Did you guys ever get a definitive answer on which manifold to run, and how torque might be affected? I see you're looking at that fancy OZMO cross ram thingy. :unibrow:

Matt

[RECOVERY ROOM]

WOW, Thats a very detailed look. Very nice

[Stuart Adams]

Sterile clean.

[MarkM66]

Looks great! Are all the accessory mounts from a 5th gen Camaro?

Also, why is there a belt on the w/p if it's electric?

[transam]

Awesome. Many electric water pumps run a free spinning idler for belt routing reasons

[Al Moreno]

Hey guys thanks for all the words. On my way to SEMA. When we get back, I'll have Nathan post a bunch of pics and info on the front drive.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Stare worthy! :cool:

[bentfab]

Put a peace of glass on it and plop it down in the living room. Nice peace! :cheers:

[GregWeld]

Wow Al.... you can finally use your famous line! And this time I'd absolutely agree!


I'm seriously impressed!


:thumbsup:

[DENTGUY]

I've called those guys about that intake. Not Cheap! But nothing cool ever is!:thumbsup:

[willj313]

sweeeet:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Cris@JCG]

Really digging all the details Al.. :thumbsup:

We got the Firebird engine on assembly & detail right now.. got some cool new machined pcs for that one..

Hey guys, though I'd post a few pics of my sons project. It's a Gen 5 Camaro SS hes been working on.

On the performance side:

It's been bored and stroked to a 418, 11.4.1 compression, heads massage by Lingefelter, GT11 Lingenfelter cam, CP pistons, Lunati crank and rods, Meizire Electric water pump, Innovators West 8 rid front drive, Turn One power Steering pump, Every freakin bolt inside and out has been replaced with ARP, Pure power billet oil filter, Katech tensioner, Improved Raving valley baffle, ported intake and throttle body, etc, etc...

On the attention to detail:

The entire block, both inside and out along with the cylinder heads have been completely grounded smooth. All the accessories front drive brackets and the motor mounts were completed sanded and powder coated in "Anthracite". The oil pan, valley tray and timing chain cover powder coated in texture black. The thermostat housing powder coated onxy, intake in a gun metal gray. The block, heads, alternator, ac compressor, power steering pump all sanded down of any casting and painted BMW "Frozen" gray It's a gun metal gray with flat clear). All the pulleys were given a brush finish. Ring Brother washer for the intake bolts and throttle body, Lokar dip stick, etc, etc ......

There is a lot more but you get the idea.

Here's a couple of pics:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_1295-Edit2.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_1304-Edit.jpg

After relocating the factory EVAC solenoid and negative battery cable that mounted to the front of the cylinder head, the 4 factory bolt holes on the were no longer needed, so they were welded in and the face re-milled.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/028-6.jpg

The factory vapor tube was replace with XRP AN lines and fittings.

The intake might be replacing the intake for a carbon fiber unit.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/408696_483195951704965_338210126_n.jpg

Motor mounts with Prothane bushings.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_1309-Edit-1.jpg

[Al Moreno]

Really digging all the details Al.. :thumbsup:

We got the Firebird engine on assembly & detail right now.. got some cool new machined pcs for that one..

Hey guys thanks for the props. I will have Nathan create an account when we get back from PRI next week (I will try to post pics from the show while there) and answer some of the questions asked. I think the Gen 5 front-drive is a great alternative and a economical option. The brackets are about $100 from the dealer. I also like the way it keeps everything down low as to not crowd the top of the engine.

Chris I can't wait to see what you come up with! Everything you do is top notch. You could probably tell there's a lot of your influence on these pics. Maybe Nathan can use some of your new stuff on his build.

[HEEP]

Has anyone found part numbers for these brackets? I'm wondering if factory setup like this is available.

By the way, as everyone has said, it doesnt belong under a hood. Awesome job.

HEEP

[V8TV]

A very inspiring piece. Any more shots of the lower 1/2?

[HEEP]

I found this link to the brackets. I'm guessing that the reservoir for the power steering has been removed and you are using a separate one. Can you get me this information?

Thanks,
HEEP

[RussMurco]

That is the prettiest LS engine I've ever seen! You and your boy are justifiably proud and I can't wait to see the complete build!

[Nathan Moreno]

Hey guys Nathan here. As some of you might know, I'm the oldest of Al's three boys. What you might not know is I'm also the best looking, LOL. :D I hope my brothers don't read this. :_paranoid

First off, I just want to say I love this site and understand my first love is muscle cars. I've been a lurker here for a long time and have learned a lot from everyone. The other thing I've notice is all the folks here are TOP SHELF! So when I say thanks for the props, it means a lot to me coming from this community. I really appreciate it!!!!

At my Dad's suggestion, I created an account and hope I can contribute to the group.

I might start a build thread in the project section if thats OK. I know as a Gen 5 Camaro, it's outside Lateral-g's norm. Being we are all car guys, I think you guys would still appreciate the work I'm putting into it. Plus some of the stuff is relevant as it's an LS platform with Tremec trans. So you could say it would be more of an idea thread than anything else.

Maybe I'll call the thread "Braking the Lateral-G mold II", Hope you don't mind Brent, LOL

In the meantime, here is a quick background on the project. I've named the car "G5R". The G5 representing 5th gen and the R for racing. The theme is a racy, mechanical, industrial look while elegant at the same time. Part of my influence is Chris's "Blu Balls" build and Steve's "Bad Penny, Jame's "One Lap", Tenacity, etc, etc, etc,....... My ultimate goal is two fold, to build a decent handling car that I can take to the track with the attention to details you'd normally don't see in these cars.


Thanks again for the great site and more importantly, the great community of car guys,

Nathan


Do you have any pics before it was assembled after the parts were powder coated?

Garickman, here are some before and after..........


Before I had any of the pieces powder coated, I removed any casting seams, insignia, etc....

These are the factory motor mounts which look kinda cool for OEM. The one on the right is the before any sanding

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001-14.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319

This is the before on the power steering bracket, kinda rough. By the way, these brackets are is $13 at GM.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001-5.jpg/006-13.jpg

I tried a couple of different approaches before I settled on powder coating. this was a brush look.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010-3.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010-17.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/00lk.jpg

Here is a before of the oil cooler. By the way, I'm not going to use this cooler as I'm replacing it with a remote system. I will post pictures later of the parts I'm using. Some of you guys might be able to incorporate them in your projects.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/015-9-1.jpg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/005-18.jpg

Here a before of the AC compressor

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/003-11.jpg

And an after..... In this picture, I used a spray can color called "cast iron gray". It was a pretty color but had to much bronze for the pallet I'm going with. I painted all the accessories in a BMW color called "Frozen gray". It's basically a gunmetal with a flat clear.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/11.jpg

Here are the rest of the accessories in the "cast iron gray"

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/024-5.jpg

Looks great! Are all the accessory mounts from a 5th gen Camaro?

Yes

Also, why is there a belt on the w/p if it's electric?

Has anyone found part numbers for these brackets? I'm wondering if factory setup like this is available.

Yes, you can get them from the dealer. All three are less than $100

HEEP

I found this link to the brackets. I'm guessing that the reservoir for the power steering has been removed and you are using a separate one. Can you get me this information?

Yes, I'm using a remote reservoir tank from Lee's Power Steering. It has cooling fins built into it. I will post pics later

Thanks,
HEEP

I will post a lot more pictures and answer the other questions I didn't get to later.

[INTMD8]

WOW! Amazing work, looks awesome :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

WOW! Amazing work, looks awesome :thumbsup:

x2 looks great Nathan! Your Dad raised you right....right down to the humble brotherly competition :lol: :cheers:

[Bsinclair]

i like the cast iron gray... the brushed finish also looked great but you almost have to continue the theme all the way through the build when you brush finish..

[WSSix]

Welcome Nathan. You did a great job on the motor. The detail is amazing. When you have time, make a project thread for the car too. I know I'd like to see it.

[badmatt]

I like the frugal use of the stock components for the accessory drive... Goes to show that people do not need to spend 2300 bucks on a tru-track or system of that matter.

Looks great Nathan!

[Sieg]

Welcome Nathan - Very much appreciate the practicality and tasteful attention to detail you're applying to the project. :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Nice job, it looks amazing.

[Rick D]

Very nice work Nathan :hail: Love the detail. And yes please start a build thread!!!!

[Nathan Moreno]

Thanks guys! I appreciate suggesting I do a build thread being it's not a early gen.

Here is some of the work I did on the cylinder heads before sending the to Lingenfelter for a head job.......... somehow that doesn't sound right, LOL

You can see the difference between the two.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/019-7.jpg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/022-8.jpg

If you'll notice, the bolt hole on the right has been flatten while the one on the left still remains to be done.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/003-15.jpg

This pictures shows were the holes on the front passenger side cylinder head welded in and the face was re-mild to get a cleaned machine look.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/004ss.jpg

Before I powder coated anything, I made sure to clean of all casting seams and imperfections.


Before:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/002-14.jpg

After:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/011-17.jpg

Done:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001-18.jpg

This is a "Turn One" high performance power steering pump in it's natural state.

Before:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-4.jpg

After:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4-5.jpg

Here is one of the oil filter I'm using. It's from Pure Power. I say one because I'm also running a second XRP filter on one of the oil lines going to the cooler.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/022-9.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/023-7.jpg

[bentfab]

Welcome Nathan! Dude those parts are spot on!

You can never go wrong with $billions$ of G.M.'s engineeering and all you have to do is put a little T.L.C. in it and you have perfection!

Awesome job!


Mark

[Vince@Meanstreets]

nate you fricken rock. :cheers:

[EBMC]

Hey Nate, Great attention to detail! need a job?:thumbsup:

[Nathan Moreno]

Thanks guys......

A very inspiring piece. Any more shots of the lower 1/2?


Here you go Kevin,

I just got my ARH exhuast, 2" prmiary with 3" exhaust. I'm not sure if there know in the muscle car community but they are TOP SHELF for the new stuff.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_2852-Edit_zpsf7a7d414.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/picture_zpsc6f43d9b.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_2865-Edit-Edit-2_zpsb3d70b7f.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/016-Edit_zps1296ee4d.jpg

The complete exhaust was sent to Jet-Hot for 1700 degree coating in a new premier color. It's has a Titanium look to it.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/009-22_zpsdd9b14d0.jpg

A couple of close up. Normally they will mig weld the headers but I asked them to tig them.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/00gg6_zps7a3f9582.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/00gg1_zpsd70dc74d.jpg

I'm also replacing the entire suspension with Pfadt Racing. They are to C6 Corvettes and Gen 5 Camaro what DSE is to 1st Gens. Aaron "owner" was also a GM engineer that decided to follow his passion for racing.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG2_2652-Edit.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_2666-1_zps95f53d6f.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_2663.jpg

I'm currently waiting for Coil overs, stabilizer bars, etc.....

[tmadden]

It is a piece of art.

[Hair]

And an after..... In this picture, I used a spray can color called "cast iron gray". It was a pretty color but had to much bronze for the pallet I'm going with. I painted all the accessories in a BMW color called "Frozen gray". It's basically a gunmetal with a flat clear. Was the cast iron color an Eastwood product by any chance?

[WSSix]

Hair, your avatar is creepy :lol: Welcome to the site!


Nathan, what all did you use to do the sanding and grinding? I ask in case anyone else might want to follow in your foot steps later one. I know I'll follow to some extent with my LT1. I love the look of them stock so doing some clean up to the existing design appeals to me.

Also, did you send the powder coating out or do it yourself?

[Nathan Moreno]

Sorry guys for the late response. I have been burning both side of the candle trying to get some progress.

It is a piece of art.

Thanks tmadden!

Was the cast iron color an Eastwood product by any chance?

Hair, I tried to find the can of paint but had no luck. I think I bought it at ACE Hardware.

Hair, your avatar is creepy :lol: Welcome to the site!


Nathan, what all did you use to do the sanding and grinding? I ask in case anyone else might want to follow in your foot steps later one. I know I'll follow to some extent with my LT1. I love the look of them stock so doing some clean up to the existing design appeals to me.

Also, did you send the powder coating out or do it yourself?

I had my local powder coater do them. I sent the intake to "Mike the Powder Coater" in GA. He has refined the art of powder coating composite.

I used several dremels with different bits to help me speed up the process. This way I didn't have to waist time changing bits for different applications.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010-21_zps597b6de9.jpg

I buddy of mine showed me how to make most of my sanding bits. He called this one the flapper.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/011-19_zpse4a54323.jpg

I literally cleaned out all the casting both inside an out! Here is a pictures of the crank case in progress.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/0032_zpsed1ad07e.jpg

After

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/028-8_zps12d3f2f0.jpg

A before pic of the valley

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/7-18_zps2324fa1c.jpg

And an after pic

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/002-18_zps48c3a3cf.jpg


After I had polished the outside of the block and the valley blasted to get grip for paint.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/014-13_zps799b5b15.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/005-22_zps57ca8d20.jpg


I had to search high and low to find a tank large enough to Ultrasonically clean the block. I know the owner of a local racing transmission shop that has one, but it wasn't large enough. Before they spent $20,000 on their tank, they'd just hot tank the parts after machining. Even after cleaning the parts, when they'd dyno the trans, they'd check the filter and still find metal shavings! Which is the reason they bought the Ultrasonic Cleaner. In my case, I also felt a bit uneasy due to the fact that I could feel media from the blasting which could have potentially gotten into the valleys.

We also bored the cylinders 15 over which throw metal shaving everywhere. I wanted to make sure the block was surgically clean.

I called airports to see if they had one big enough and no luck. Finally, I found a race engine shop who had one and did it for me.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/0055_zps687bf0bb.jpg

[Nathan Moreno]

Here are a few more idea pictures.

I replaced the ugly factory radiator hose with something more aesthetically pleasing.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010-7.jpg

I got this idea from Rogers 68 Camaro build. I recreated the water vapor line with XRP AN braided lines and fittings. The hose end that comes off the T fitting would go to the radiator but I'm redoing it. I'm welding a -3 90 degree fitting to the aluminum radiator tube to connect it there.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/034-3.jpg

I dremel down the injector connectors and got rid of all the fat that wasn't necessary for good clamping.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/134.jpg

I covered them with a 90 degree heat shrink boot to get a cleaner look.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/014-5.jpg

At one point, I was going to run individual hard lines to each injector. You can see the AN injector hat on top of the rear left injector.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/098-2_zpsbc48faec.jpg

But I looking to replace this intake. So I'm not looking to do any more R&D on it.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/096_zpse0000032.jpg

This is a cool idea which I haven't seen anybody do. Perhaps somebody here can take advantage and implement it on their own project.

[214Chevy]

You, my friend, are an artist to the core. Very nicely done. :hail: :hail:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

great eye for detail. If I may ask, what do you do for a living?

[UncleJ]

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010-21_zps597b6de9.jpg

I buddy of mine showed me how to make most of my sanding bits. He called this one the flapper.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/011-19_zpse4a54323.jpg



I'm interested in the long skinny bands that you are using. Where do you get them at? I've never seen the bigger "flap" discs either?

[BBT FAB]

Here are a few more idea pictures.

I replaced the ugly factory radiator hose with something more aesthetically pleasing.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010-7.jpg

I got this idea from Rogers 68 Camaro build. I recreated the water vapor line with XRP AN braided lines and fittings. The hose end that comes off the T fitting would go to the radiator but I'm redoing it. I'm welding a -3 90 degree fitting to the aluminum radiator tube to connect it there.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/034-3.jpg

I dremel down the injector connectors and got rid of all the fat that wasn't necessary for good clamping.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/134.jpg

I covered them with a 90 degree heat shrink boot to get a cleaner look.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/014-5.jpg

At one point, I was going to run individual hard lines to each injector. You can see the AN injector hat on top of the rear left injector.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/098-2_zpsbc48faec.jpg

But I looking to replace this intake. So I'm not looking to do any more R&D on it.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/096_zpse0000032.jpg

This is a cool idea which I haven't seen anybody do. Perhaps somebody here can take advantage and implement it on their own project.

What are these radiator hose clamps and where are you getting them?

thanks

[Nathan Moreno]

I'm interested in the long skinny bands that you are using. Where do you get them at? I've never seen the bigger "flap" discs either?

I make all my own sanding bits. I get that question asked a lot. I going to see about making a How To video of the process.

What are these radiator hose clamps and where are you getting them?

thanks

Those are constant tension clamps used in NASCAR. I got them from

http://www.topperformanceparts.com/index.html?Vl=6&Tp=2

You, my friend, are an artist to the core. Very nicely done. :hail: :hail:

Thanks!

great eye for detail. If I may ask, what do you do for a living?

I'm going to college full time for a computer science degree and I also work with my Dad. He owns a life insurance brokerage. I'm licensed in 32 states, and work over the phone.

My first GNRS was at age 6.

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I figured while I was at it I'd give some love to the trans.

The factory casings are really bad!!! They literally look like they have a disease!

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zpsa8738bdb.jpg

The circle is highlighting the seam that I made disappear by the time I was done.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zps5c5fdd88.jpg

No more seam

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/6-19_zps54358a9a.jpg

After lots of labor, she is coming along

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zps1b6b7928.jpg

Close up

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4-24_zpsb64a5832.jpg

Primered.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/8-13_zpsfe0a408c.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/7-18_zps6a1e8876.jpg

And done.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/9-12_zps3656945c.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zps5c5fdd88.jpg

[Nathan Moreno]

Part of my goal is to drop as much weight as possible. I'm using a Mantic twin disc on the project. Part of the reason for my choice was weight saving. It's about 17 lbs lighter than stock.

I love the aluminum casing. Looks like something from a James Bond movie.


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zpsc24aec54.jpg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/015-12_zpsa5225533.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/7-18_zpsa73df8cd.jpg

The weight drop continues with a DSS carbon fiber drive shaft.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/003-Edit-Edit_zpsbf6a1961.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/0131-Edit_zpse599acf0.jpg


I also upgraded the axles. They are rated for 1400HP. I think I have room to grow.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/0161-Edit_zpse88a1428.jpg

For the shifter, I'm using an MGW short throw.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/0042-Edit_zps628e27d0.jpg

[protour73]

WOW Nathan, just WOW!!! You are indeed an inspiration to even someone as anal retentive and detail minded as myself!!!

I clicked the link on the constant tension clamps and saw the price, I almost spit coffee on my laptop keyboard, but then looked again and realized that the price was for a bag of 10 :_paranoid . Thanks for the link!!

Where I really lost it was the packaging on the Mantic clutch, that's over the top!!

Now, after seeing your bar-setting detail work and after working on my car for 6 years, I want to tear it apart and start all over!!!

[Nathan Moreno]

WOW Nathan, just WOW!!! You are indeed an inspiration to even someone as anal retentive and detail minded as myself!!!

I clicked the link on the constant tension clamps and saw the price, I almost spit coffee on my laptop keyboard, but then looked again and realized that the price was for a bag of 10 :_paranoid . Thanks for the link!!


Where I really lost it was the packaging on the Mantic clutch, that's over the top!!

Now, after seeing your bar-setting detail work and after working on my car for 6 years, I want to tear it apart and start all over!!!

From one anal retentive to another, I appreciate that, LOL.

I found this link to the brackets. I'm guessing that the reservoir for the power steering has been removed and you are using a separate one. Can you get me this information?

Thanks,
HEEP

HEEP, this is the tank I'm Using. It's from Lee's Power Steering. The cooling fins have shown 40 degree temp drop in on the race track conditions.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/018a_zpsd6abe139.jpg


Here's an update as to what I'm up to right now.

I had mentioned in an earlier post I will be using a complete Pfadt Racing suspension on the Camaro. I received my coilovers last week.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_3137_zpscbe06e41.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_3125_zps106ce580.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_3132_zps8bf58525.jpg

These things are so pretty that I felt I'd give some homage to the beautiful Pfadt colors,. I will be detailing the rack in the same colors.

Here is the game plan:

The orange circle represents the aluminum piece that will get anodized orange. It will need to get polished to clean up the casting.

The beige circle represents the steel housing that i will get painted to color match the anodizing on the coil overs housing color.

The red circles represents the seal plug and shaft which we will polish to a chrome finish.

The steel hard lines will be replaced with brushed stainless and black anodized AN fittings.

We sent out the four bolts and Clamp to get cad plated which will give them a soft goldish look.

The tie rods will get painted in a similar color as the gun metal color on the coil springs.

This will introduce a little interest in the engine bay. I also planning on powder coating the frame in the same gun metal gray on the coils. Should tie in really nice.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zpse69562d4.jpg

I took it to Lee's for dis-assembly.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/065_zps70230472.jpg


This isn't my rack but it gives an idea of how I'm looking to redo the hard lines in stainless.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zps1532d765.jpg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zps107375f8.jpg

This is the same piece as in the picture above with all the lines connect in OEM raw

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps296e5510.jpg

I did this all by hand because it's hard to get a flat finish using the dremel and I wanted it to look like a piece of billet. It just took me 5 hours...


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zpsdfb27837.jpg

Polished:

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zps762321d6.jpg

The steering shaft looks like chrome now!

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/016-9_zpsaadb1c26.jpg

]

[Amituk]

Wow!

Have to say it again.

Wow!

I Want you to build an LS9 for my project :)

[syborg tt]

Nathan All I can say is WOW !!!!

I am a die hard 5th Gen lover and I can't wait to see what your going to do to the car to make it match what your doing with the Engine and Drive train.

You work is truly inspiring and Son you have Mad Skills.

and Yes I am sending these pics to Moose at Rad Rides because it looks like he finally has some serious competition.

Can we see some of the car that this beauty is going in.

[Nathan Moreno]

Wow!

Have to say it again.

Wow!

I Want you to build an LS9 for my project :)

Hmmmmm, now we are talking!

Nathan All I can say is WOW !!!!

I am a die hard 5th Gen lover and I can't wait to see what your going to do to the car to make it match what your doing with the Engine and Drive train.

You work is truly inspiring and Son you have Mad Skills.

and Yes I am sending these pics to Moose at Rad Rides because it looks like he finally has some serious competition.

Can we see some of the car that this beauty is going in.

Marty, I really appreciate the props and I'm glad to hear we have one more 5th Gen enthusiast :cheers: The car is currently in pieces but I will post pics as I go. I'm currently welding all the holes in the engine bay. About 70 so far.

Here are a couple of pics of a little something I was working on today.

Because I'm using a remote tank, I didn't like the gap that was exposed between the back of the pump and cylinder head when I removed the factory tank that covers that section.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/031-8-1_zpsee92be7a.jpg

So I had the filler piece machine to fill the gap. It was hollowed out, so it barely weighs anything.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/026-7_zpse465ffbe.jpg

Much better now. It also ties in well with the brushed aluminum pulley.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/030-9_zpsc8f61aee.jpg

[Nathan Moreno]

Sneak peek of the custom cradle I'm having build. It's a one of one. Will drop close to 40 lbs of the front.


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/image2_zps946c0d73.jpeg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/image6_zpsa81ee05e.jpeg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/image5_zps4ff37b71.jpeg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/image2_zps946c0d73.jpeg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/image8_zps2bb3012a-1_zpsf1d5d96b.jpg

[syborg tt]

Looks pretty awesome

What is the link to your thread on Camaro5

[Bowtieracing]

This is one of the best builds for a long time! I really like the insane level of detailing on oem parts wich look after your work like straight from million bucks custom shop. And letting us see how to do it s awsome!!

[89 RS]

That is some awesome work and attention to detail. That motor is like a piece of artwork.:drool:

[Nathan Moreno]

Looks pretty awesome

What is the link to your thread on Camaro5

Here you go: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188393

This is one of the best builds for a long time! I really like the insane level of detailing on oem parts wich look after your work like straight from million bucks custom shop. And letting us see how to do it s awsome!!

That is some awesome work and attention to detail. That motor is like a piece of artwork.:drool:

Thanks guys

[waynieZ]

It all looks beautiful, awesome job.

[dug]

Here you go: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188393





Thanks guys

Link didn't work for me :headscratch:

[camcojb]

Link didn't work for me :headscratch:
I'm not a member but it works for me.

[Nathan Moreno]

Hey guys!

Here is a quick update. I've been working on putting together my new sub frame. Since I had to take the factory sub apart to reuses the factory spindles and lower control arms, I figured I'd detail everything!

The picture below is a in progress comparison. So far, I've grinded most of the casting on the one on the right and hit it with my sand blaster. The red circle on the upright on the left highlights two more humps that I will also be grinding off. The one that has a bolt hole is to mount the back plate for the stock brakes, but since the stock brakes are going, there's no need for the extra ounces of aluminum, LOL... So I'm grinding it off.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/051_zpsdcd400b9.jpg


Again, still a work in progress. You can see where I have to still remove a little bit of the seams that's left.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/055_zps03a12d4c.jpg

Here you can see a side by side comparison of all the factory casting bumps I removed.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/046-1_zps2ccb3ef6.jpg

Once I was completely happy with removing all the factory casting, I polished them to a mirror finish. (reference the one on the left)

Next, I taped off the areas where bolts are going through. I didn't want to paint to those areas and deal with the paint getting jacked up when I'd tighten the bolts.

I sanded blasted them one more time to create paint adherence. (reference the one on the right)


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zpsf5769f02.jpg

Next came a light coat of etching primer

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/046-1_zps9d8e6996.jpg

And finally, I spray them with some Seymour Alumi Blast paint from a rattle can.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4-24_zps9ed1c1fa.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4a_zps33d1807a.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zpsb68567ff.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/021-12_zpsb6f0ac76.jpg

I received my BBS wheels I will be using for the street last week and had them mounted on Nittos 315 rear 295 fronts. I will post pictures later .

[tones2SS]

I don't know how I missed this thread so long, but wow, this is a great thread. I am finding myself becoming more and more of a 5th gen Camaro fan everyday. Great job here Nathan.
Keep up the great work!:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Wow they look amazing! Nice work, and mucho patients!

[Nathan Moreno]

Thanks guys!

I figured I'd post an update update before heading out to the garage this morning.

We had our street wheels setup mounted (on the tires, not the car, LOL, as it will be a while since my cars in a millions pieces right now!) I think the titanium color will play off the white nicely.

10.5" BBS Ch-r all the way around on Nitto Invos 315 rear and 295 fronts.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps4632f153.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zpsb45ecf74.jpg

Also received a few carbon pieces.

Most carbon hoods for the Gen 5 Camaros are made just for the "BLING" factor. They are only carbon on the outside and glass on the underside for economic reasons. They end up weighing more than our factory aluminum hood. This hood is dry carbon designed for racing and carbon on both sides. This one is less than half the weight! This is one step closer to the goal of ridding 400 lbs.


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4-24_zps77383843.jpg



http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/6-19_zps8246a84e.jpg

The weave is close to perfect as can be!


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zpsda2aed9b.jpg

We are also having other pieces recreated in carbon, ZL1 rear spoiler, rockers, front splitter, shark fin, rear diffuser.

The Leno Camaro is somewhat of an inspiration to the build, hence the reason for the BBS. I am also working on a wheel package for the track that will be about 40 lbs lighter!

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/01-leno-camaro-sema_zps40a34658.jpg


Hope you guys are enjoying our not so common lateral-G build. As we are building it with a hot rod flair as compared to most of the BLING stuff you see done on these cars.

[GregWeld]

Enjoying is kind of an understatement Nathan!!


It's more like OMG koolest new Camaro in the universe!:lol:

[John510]

Wow very very nice. Just the amount of time put into each part is amazing.

[Nathan Moreno]

Enjoying is kind of an understatement Nathan!!


It's more like OMG koolest new Camaro in the universe!:lol:

Hey Greg, I see you and my dad have the BEST TIME IN THE UNIVERSE with the phrase, LOL

Oh, and thanks for the props! That's the goal :D

Wow very very nice. Just the amount of time put into each part is amazing.

Thanks John, here are a few more.

I am replacing the SS rear lower control arms with the updated ZL1s. This will allow me to run Pfadt Racing new ZL1 bars. While I'm waiting for the bars, I felt the GM arms just weren't up to par.

You can see in this picture where the lines are all jagged. I used the blue pin striping tape to outline the amount being removed.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps48ee614d.jpg


You can see it was also covered with splatter.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zpsf813a933.jpg

And had these machine markings on the sides.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4-24_zps088001b3.jpg

Well, after some sanding and some more sanding, we got them smooth.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zps4ff614b1.jpg

Here's a quick comparison of before and after. You can see it's now more symmetrical.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/aa-2_zps1cc78a6a.jpg

Perhaps the fabricators on here can help me with this one.

This is the rear trailing arms package I will be using from Pfadt Racing.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/RCASet1_zps204df694.jpg

I was toying with the idea of making some cut outs on the control arms to replicate the Pfadt pieces. I did this quick deal to get an idea.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/054-2_zps17ea71c0.jpg

My concern is I don't want to weaken them to where they will flex. One idea is to box them or perhaps create filler pieces for the cut out. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated!

[morris69]

Can u send me alist of how he did that. I'm building a lsx 427 for my 69vert and that look would kill it!!!!!! Very impressed:thumbsup:

[Nathan Moreno]

Can u send me a list of how he did that. I'm building a lsx 427 for my 69vert and that look would kill it!!!!!! Very impressed:thumbsup:

Thanks for the props. I am willing to help you anyway I can. By a "list" how do you mean? Let me know and I will get it to you.

************************************************** ***

I contacted Pfadt Racing regarding modifying the lower control arms to get their take before I started cutting up anything. They ran a computer analysis for me and thought you guys would find it interesting.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/Untitsssled_zps609a6de2.png

[Nathan Moreno]

Hey guys I am really backed up on the posting! I will be posting some more later this week.

In the meantime, here is a quick update: In the quest to reaching the goal of ridding 400 lbs off Project G5R, we are leaving no stone unturned. One of these being the oem battery which weighs in at 45 lbs. We chose a lithium battery from the Lithium Pros. This mod alone will shave 30 lbs off the car.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps4b43906e.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zps7056a3ac.jpg


This battery is used mostly for racing applications. it comes with an internal computer to manage and preserve the life of the battery.

Here is an exert from Jegs web site:


Lithium Products L3400 lithium Powerpack batteries are lightweight racing batteries designed for road course, asphalt Circle Track, drag racing, and dirt track use with alternators. A unique feature of these specific batteries is the use of the batteries' full battery management system. The main function of the BMS is to protect the batteries' battery pack.





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[Nathan Moreno]

Hey guys wanted to post a quick update:

I picked up the PS rack today along with the pump. It has definitely come along way from it's humble beginnings.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps1e1d7921.jpg

Still need a few details to call it done but she is getting there.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zpsadd873e5.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zpse17856f6.jpg


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4-24_zpsd5b2f3a5.jpg

You can see where the nuts have been polished. Now I just need to finish painting the tie rods.

I had the Turn One pump rebuilt in order to install AN fittings for a remote reservoir tank.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/7-18_zpsf4b6d4d2.jpg

[protour73]

I swear Nathan I can't take it anymore, your thread has ruined me. I want to tear my 6 year build completely apart and start from scratch. :bang:

[waynieZ]

I'm with Scott. Wow !

[Al Moreno]

I swear Nathan I can't take it anymore, your thread has ruined me. I want to tear my 6 year build completely apart and start from scratch. :bang:

I'm with Scott. Wow !

Hey guys thanks for al the positive feed back. All three of the boys are working hard to get the car done. If there's no unforeseen challenges comes up, G5.R should be in the main hall at SEMA.

Here are a couple of pics of the front sub mocked up.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_3567_zpse4e84712.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_3578_zpsf05c0b13.jpg

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/IMG_3566_zps282a7ee3.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

Your whole family is sick :hail:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Hey Greg, I see you and my dad have the BEST TIME IN THE UNIVERSE with the phrase, LOL

Oh, and thanks for the props! That's the goal :D



Thanks John, here are a few more.

I am replacing the SS rear lower control arms with the updated ZL1s. This will allow me to run Pfadt Racing new ZL1 bars. While I'm waiting for the bars, I felt the GM arms just weren't up to par.

You can see in this picture where the lines are all jagged. I used the blue pin striping tape to outline the amount being removed.


You can see it was also covered with splatter.


And had these machine markings on the sides.


Well, after some sanding and some more sanding, we got them smooth.


Here's a quick comparison of before and after. You can see it's now more symmetrical.

Perhaps the fabricators on here can help me with this one.

This is the rear trailing arms package I will be using from Pfadt Racing.


I was toying with the idea of making some cut outs on the control arms to replicate the Pfadt pieces. I did this quick deal to get an idea.


My concern is I don't want to weaken them to where they will flex. One idea is to box them or perhaps create filler pieces for the cut out. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated!

What you can do is have an over lay piece with the shape and designs laser cut into it then weld these pieces to the existing uncut arms. You can even inlay carbon fiber into the recessed areas. Similar to this bell crank we did.
Might be time consuming to do. Also increase the weight of the part.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Your whole family is sick :hail:

:lol:



"In unity there is strength." :unibrow:

[214Chevy]

That is not a subframe. What I would call that is art!! :trophy-1302: :trophy-1302:

[GregWeld]

I think this is a Ridler contender..... Well.... it might be if it wasn't a late model.


AL --- Is this YOUR car?? I don't remember the beginning details and am too lazy to run back through the thread.

The textures - the color changes - the detail - is just over the top Kool.

[coolwelder62]

The level of detail is amazing.

[Al Moreno]

Thanks guys for the props.

Though I post a few update pics of Nathan project..

Pick up a new Hammerhead from DSS. This is a bullet proof piece as it will handle 1,400 HP.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps6473cf72.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/1-25_zps6473cf72.jpg.html)

But as you can see the casting is really rough.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2-24_zps895d4f73.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/2-24_zps895d4f73.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3-23_zps811da130.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/3-23_zps811da130.jpg.html)

So the boys went at it.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zps3d96722f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/5-19_zps3d96722f.jpg.html)

Once it was completely smooth, it was blasted.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/8-13_zps63351014.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/8-13_zps63351014.jpg.html)

Next it was ultrasonically clean to make sure there no left over residue.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/9-12_zpsb9459c47.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/9-12_zpsb9459c47.jpg.html)

Finaly product.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/10-12_zps6e6daf8b.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/10-12_zps6e6daf8b.jpg.html)

The lid got the same treatment.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/7-18_zps52bd9879.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/7-18_zps52bd9879.jpg.html)

The section were the bushing mount were polishing for some contrast. The piece was powder coated texture black (sorry no pics).

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/6-19_zps7854e344.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/6-19_zps7854e344.jpg.html)

Waiting on ARP stubs to reassemble.

[Al Moreno]

Here are a few pics of the rear spindles.

Before

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/dfs_zps448d912e.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/dfs_zps448d912e.jpg.html)

The red circles represent all the bumps that were removed.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/13-5_zpsd4a2e937.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/13-5_zpsd4a2e937.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/12-6_zps0ff0f5bb.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/12-6_zps0ff0f5bb.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/16_zpsa05ee385.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/16_zpsa05ee385.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/15-3_zps10481e58.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/15-3_zps10481e58.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/14-5_zpsaff307a9.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/14-5_zpsaff307a9.jpg.html)


Sneak peek of the rear sub. All the bushing were replace with anodize solid pieces.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/17_zps5475bc28.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/17_zps5475bc28.jpg.html)

This is a Flex-a-lite radiator for Gen 5 that was going to go in the car but decide to sell and have a new radiator custom made because new radiator will be tuck under the core were you wont see it. Before selling this one, the boys decided to give it a little love. They painted the radiator black and polished the fins on the tanks and brushed between each one.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/18_zps0d59097a.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/18_zps0d59097a.jpg.html)


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[coolwelder62]

Just amazing.The atention to detail is Awesome.

[214Chevy]

Al you better be careful. Your gonna find yourself in business doing this for others. LOL!! Absolutely stunning!! :trophy-1302: :trophy-1302:

[Matt@BOS]

You don't suppose I could just drop off a Coyote motor and pick in up in three months, do you?

[69znc]

Al,

What Nathan and your sons have done with this build is amazing and the accolades given are well deserved!

As a father of college age kids I think there is a more impressive, more important manifestation in this build. You, Al should be so proud that you have raised the boys (not sure how many children you have) to be so grounded, patient and thankful for what they have and what they can accomplish. In a time of instant gratification, entitlement and "buying" the best, video games etc... your sons are taking the road less travelled in this generation. This is a huge complement to you and your family. Rare is the teenager or twenty something that will take the time, dedication and focus (and the work done requires a lot of each!) to accomplish such an amazing goal and product, one small step at a time.

You should be proud and the boys should be also. Your family exemplifies what has made this country great and seeing this continues to reinforce the good that is out there.

Sincerely
Peter

[syborg tt]

Peter I am couldn't agree with you more. I am saving the email notification and showing it to my daughters.

Al,

What Nathan and your sons have done with this build is amazing and the accolades given are well deserved!

As a father of college age kids I think there is a more impressive, more important manifestation in this build. You, Al should be so proud that you have raised the boys (not sure how many children you have) to be so grounded, patient and thankful for what they have and what they can accomplish. In a time of instant gratification, entitlement and "buying" the best, video games etc... your sons are taking the road less travelled in this generation. This is a huge complement to you and your family. Rare is the teenager or twenty something that will take the time, dedication and focus (and the work done requires a lot of each!) to accomplish such an amazing goal and product, one small step at a time.

You should be proud and the boys should be also. Your family exemplifies what has made this country great and seeing this continues to reinforce the good that is out there.

Sincerely
Peter

[69znc]

Any update from the project!!

[HMA]

Amazing attention to detail in all aspects. Very nice.

[Al Moreno]

Any update from the project!!

Just amazing.The atention to detail is Awesome.

Al you better be careful. Your gonna find yourself in business doing this for others. LOL!! Absolutely stunning!! :trophy-1302: :trophy-1302:

Amazing attention to detail in all aspects. Very nice.

Thanks guys for the props!

You don't suppose I could just drop off a Coyote motor and pick in up in three months, do you?

Matt that is a beautiful motor as is, I can only imagine with a little attention to detail it would make a huge statement.

Al,

What Nathan and your sons have done with this build is amazing and the accolades given are well deserved!

As a father of college age kids I think there is a more impressive, more important manifestation in this build. You, Al should be so proud that you have raised the boys (not sure how many children you have) to be so grounded, patient and thankful for what they have and what they can accomplish. In a time of instant gratification, entitlement and "buying" the best, video games etc... your sons are taking the road less travelled in this generation. This is a huge complement to you and your family. Rare is the teenager or twenty something that will take the time, dedication and focus (and the work done requires a lot of each!) to accomplish such an amazing goal and product, one small step at a time.

You should be proud and the boys should be also. Your family exemplifies what has made this country great and seeing this continues to reinforce the good that is out there.

Sincerely
Peter

Peter I am couldn't agree with you more. I am saving the email notification and showing it to my daughters.

Wow Guys, thanks for the kinds words! Peter, we have four children, Nathan 21, Justin 20, Seth 17 and Faith 11. Plus we just acquired another Justin from our church that is staying with us. We are putting him the the Moreno boot-camp. Makes thing a little interesting when you call out for Justin, LOL. The two oldest are now in college and the other two are still being home school.

Any update from the project!!

Ask and you shall receive

Just received all new replacement glass from Optic Armor. This is really neat stuff as its 50% lighter than OEM and 250% stronger. I didn't realize that this is the same stuff Ring Brothers use on some of their build. The other benefit is that your losing the weight from the top lowering the center of gravity.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/photo3-1_zpse989f49e.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/photo3-1_zpse989f49e.jpg.html)

The boys have been working hard at getting rid of as much weight as possible. The goal is now 500 lbs which will bring the car into the 3,300 lbs range with 650 HP should make for a fun ride.

They were cutting out the bath tub in the trunk this last weekend to create a flat floor.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001-20_zps1963c5c9.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/001-20_zps1963c5c9.jpg.html)


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http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/9-12_zps578b49e4.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/9-12_zps578b49e4.jpg.html)

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On the trunk pan, they are going to bead roll the logo G5.R

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/004-22_zpsaf0632a9.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/004-22_zpsaf0632a9.jpg.html)

[Al Moreno]

They are even cleaning out all the pinch welds.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5-19_zps8479d90d.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/5-19_zps8479d90d.jpg.html)

Much better.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/6-19_zpsacf3fbe8.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/6-19_zpsacf3fbe8.jpg.html)

Here where the interior is at this moment. All the wiring is being rerouted inside.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/002-18_zps20009c95.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/002-18_zps20009c95.jpg.html)

The neatest part for me is that they have never done any of this before, it's all completely self taught!

[bentfab]

The neatest part for me is that they have never done any of this before, it's all completely self taught![/QUOTE]

Al that's the only way. Believe me I know first hand!

Awesome work guys !

[Ron in SoCal]

Incredible build Al. Props to you and your kids. :trophy-1302:

[GrabberGT]

I guess they could have just stripped it and acid dipped the car. It may have saved them some time with the insulation and seam sealer.

Cool project. Thanks for the updates. Is that a 2/3 car garage?

[waynieZ]

Wow this amazes me more and more! Awesome job.

[Al Moreno]

Thanks guys!

The plans is to powder coat the pa text black but giving the letters a brush aluminum finish. Should look cool.

He concentrate better when he bites his lips, LOL.

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[Vince@Meanstreets]

haa haa what ever works and dayum is it working! great work from the crew.

[Rick D]

Wow Al your sons are doing an amazing job, I'm blown away at the details and dedication they've put in to this. You and your wife have really done thing the right way, as stated its hard to come by with today's youth, they either don't have the focus or attention span to see a project though like this!! That's doesn't just happen in today's world!

:trophy-1302: :king: :king: :king: :trophy-1302:

[Al Moreno]

haa haa what ever works and dayum is it working! great work from the crew.


LOL Vince, can't wait till you guys see the filler panel. It came out killer.

Wow Al your sons are doing an amazing job, I'm blown away at the details and dedication they've put in to this. You and your wife have really done thing the right way, as stated its hard to come by with today's youth, they either don't have the focus or attention span to see a project though like this!! That's doesn't just happen in today's world!

:trophy-1302: :king: :king: :king: :trophy-1302:

Thanks Rick, I definitely proud.

In the spirit of ridding as much weight as possible, the rear seat will be deleted and the two front seats are being replace with Cobra's Misano edition. These are only 24 lbs vs OEM are about 100 combined. Cobra will be embroidering the G5.R logo on the seats.


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Have a bunch of killer update, as I get time I will post what they are doing.

[waynieZ]

I'll be watching!

[Amituk]

I love those seats..

I was considering them for my own project too

[Rick D]

angi1vwUkQc

:mock:

[Al Moreno]

angi1vwUkQc

:mock:

OK rick, I get the hint. LOL


Here is an update from my son Justin

Pfadt Trailing Arms and Tie rods came in a few days ago. Man they look good in their raw form. looks very racey and mechanical.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001-20_zpse539ed26.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/001-20_zpse539ed26.jpg.html)

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We almost decided to keep them like that. But to keep with the theme, we started monkeying with them. I took a pic of them side by side, polished and brushed. We both agreed that we like the brushed look better.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1-25_zps04557543.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/1-25_zps04557543.jpg.html)

Here is a pic of the new custom flex-a-lite radiator with our custom fan shroud mounted on it.

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the first fan shroud we made had some incorrect measurements. Made another one, and measurements were still wrong .... As the saying goes, third times a charm, and thus the third shroud finally fits perfectly. On Monday I'll get the fan mounts welded to the shroud, and call it done for now. we need to test fit it in the engine bay to make a bracket for the rad to mount to. Once that's done, we'll powder-coat the shroud.

[Rick D]

Man Al your not kidding those arms do look racy for sure, and I would agree on the brushed look for sure!!

[Al Moreno]

Man Al your not kidding those arms do look racy for sure, and I would agree on the brushed look for sure!!

Thanks Rick,

Car is back on the ground as it's going to a fab shop for a full cage and some other work.


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The original bumper was sacrifice as template in order to make a ZL1 carbon fiber diffuser. The black replacement looks kinda cool with against the white and carbon.

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Many of the bolts are going to get drilled for safety wire.

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I have got to say that this thing looks pretty sinister for a 5th Gen

[coolwelder62]

This is and will be an awesome build.

[waynieZ]

Awesome job! when its done you should send pictures of the build to GM I bet they'd love to see something like this.

[syborg tt]

You build has inspired me to want to build one of these.

[Al Moreno]

This is and will be an awesome build.

Awesome job! when its done you should send pictures of the build to GM I bet they'd love to see something like this.

Thanks guys!

You build has inspired me to want to build one of these.

Alright Marty, we need a few more build that are not just your typical Bling Bling SEMA builds with 24 you tend to see on late models"

Ordered the brakes yesterday. They are StopTech's Trophy series which are 20% that their next level up.

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The track wheels will be 19 (factory are 20) Should filled the wheels pretty good.

[syborg tt]

Very well said and I couldn't agree more. After building the truck and realizing that driving it would not be smart. I new I wanted something different this time around. And you car sir fits the bill perfectly. It is flat out awesome !!!!

Alright Marty, we need a few more build that are not just your typical Bling Bling SEMA builds with 24 you tend to see on late models"

Ordered the brakes yesterday. They are StopTech's Trophy series which are 20% that their next level up.

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The track wheels will be 19 (factory are 20) Should filled the wheels pretty good.

[Al Moreno]

Very well said and I couldn't agree more. After building the truck and realizing that driving it would not be smart. I new I wanted something different this time around. And you car sir fits the bill perfectly. It is flat out awesome !!!!

Thanks Marty for the props!

I also has to give props to Cris from JCG! He took 3 hours of his time Saturday morning to the boys and I come by. He reviewed the progress of the project and what still needs to get done to complete it by SEMA. He gave the boys realistic advice and gave them a game plan. In addition, he is going to help them with some custom pieces to take the project to the next level. Some of the stuff will cross pollinate with first gen, so stay tuned.

The attention to detail of what Cris does is just at another level. Check out this neat replacement check valve for the master. It replaced the ugly plastic piece with this piece of functional art! He will also be doing a billet replacement reservoir tank for the master with a built in separate reservoir for the trans.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/022_zps0ccd029c.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/022_zps0ccd029c.jpg.html)

The amount of engineering that went just into this little piece is amazing.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/021_zpsde5a7ed1.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/021_zpsde5a7ed1.jpg.html)

Thanks again Cris for all the help!

Al

[syborg tt]

Chris is one of the Nice guys in this industry. He loves what he does and is more then happy to help others. Heck I called him and asked him if I could borrow his wheel tool that Mario had and without even taking a second to think about it he said sure no problem. Chris only knows me from this board and yes I have bought a few things from him. But to lend a $2500.00 tool to a stranger from Chicago say's a lot about his character.

I look forward to all of the post from JCG on this BB & on Facebook. He does some outstanding work and the best part he finishes his customer cars and doesn't break their bank.

ps looks like I am going to be ordering up this check valve for my car.

[waynieZ]

Beautiful piece of machine work.

[Cris@JCG]

No problem Al... Glad that I can be of some help.. currently we are super busy & I try to commit to realistic small projects I can be participate in.. I have some great ideas for the for your Gen 5 Camaro.. Looking forward to making these parts for you..

BTW- As soon a you & the boys left .. I came up with the idea on how I am going to make the reservoir for your M/C..

Thanks Marty for the props!

I also has to give props to Cris from JCG! He took 3 hours of his time Saturday morning to the boys and I come by. He reviewed the progress of the project and what still needs to get done to complete it by SEMA. He gave the boys realistic advice and gave them a game plan. In addition, he is going to help them with some custom pieces to take the project to the next level. Some of the stuff will cross pollinate with first gen, so stay tuned.

The attention to detail of what Cris does is just at another level. Check out this neat replacement check valve for the master. It replaced the ugly plastic piece with this piece of functional art! He will also be doing a billet replacement reservoir tank for the master with a built in separate reservoir for the trans.

Thanks again Cris for all the help!

Al

Thank you for the props Marty!

Chris is one of the Nice guys in this industry. He loves what he does and is more then happy to help others. Heck I called him and asked him if I could borrow his wheel tool that Mario had and without even taking a second to think about it he said sure no problem. Chris only knows me from this board and yes I have bought a few things from him. But to lend a $2500.00 tool to a stranger from Chicago say's a lot about his character.

I look forward to all of the post from JCG on this BB & on Facebook. He does some outstanding work and the best part he finishes his customer cars and doesn't break their bank.

ps looks like I am going to be ordering up this check valve for my car.

[V8TV]

Incredible work, can't wait to see more. Way to go, guys!

[V8TV]

This reminded me of a video we shot several years ago of the Rad Rides crew cleaning up the block on the Ridler car. This was the first time I had ever seen anyone block-sanding an cylinder head...

http://v8tvshow.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=333&Itemid=45

[Al Moreno]

No problem Al... Glad that I can be of some help.. currently we are super busy & I try to commit to realistic small projects I can be participate in.. I have some great ideas for the for your Gen 5 Camaro.. Looking forward to making these parts for you..

BTW- As soon a you & the boys left .. I came up with the idea on how I am going to make the reservoir for your M/C..

Thank you for the props Marty!

Cris, I could hear your wheels spinning all the way home as your creative juices were flowing, LOL Thanks again for all the help!

Incredible work, can't wait to see more. Way to go, guys!

Kevin and all the guys on here, the boy really appreciate all the kind words as they know its coming from the best of the best.

Here is a neat piece that came in yesterday from New Zealand. It's meant for the Holden's but with some mods, it will work great on the project.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1_zpsa8af6a3f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/1_zpsa8af6a3f.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2_zps696a69f4.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/2_zps696a69f4.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3_zps7f4a0a92.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/3_zps7f4a0a92.jpg.html)

Normally these cars have an intake that makes an 90 degree bend from the TB to an air box on the drivers side. The wanted to have a true ram air effect, so this one will sit over the radiator and under the core. To make it work, the section mark off in the picture will need to be removed and boxed in.

What you don't see anymore in this pic are the 100 or so holes they've welded in on the frame rails and other sections.

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You can see in this pics all the holes that hadn't gotten welded in yet. The over hang was also cut out (Still on in this picture) and now they are in the process of making a flat fire wall. I will say that it's not easy making these engine bays look good.

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This is the same intake used on a race series in NZ and AU.

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[Ron in SoCal]

Al you guys are incredible! :thumbsup:

On a side note, those 5th gen rails are stout!

[Rick D]

:hail: :bow: :hail: :bow: :hail: :bow: :hail: :bow:

Al looking great!!

[bentfab]

Looking good Al !! :gitrdun:


Mark

[waynieZ]

Wow this looks amazing! Very Nice.

[Richio1]

Yeah Al... very nice stuff. Cant wait to see more.

[Al Moreno]

Al you guys are incredible! :thumbsup:

On a side note, those 5th gen rails are stout!

Thanks Ron, saw your car at Best of Show and all I can say is WOW!

:hail: :bow: :hail: :bow: :hail: :bow: :hail: :bow:

Al looking great!!

Thanks Rick

Looking good Al !! :gitrdun:


Mark

Hey Mark, the boys spent all the 4th of July weekend working on the car, they are pushing.

Wow this looks amazing! Very Nice.

Thanks Wayne!

Yeah Al... very nice stuff. Cant wait to see more.

Hey Jeff, can't wait to see your car in person, sounds like your pretty close.

Here are a few pics of some of the work they did.

In order to make room for the intake,the rad support needed some massaging. They cut out a portion of the center section to make room.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1_zps55e1d689.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/1_zps55e1d689.jpg.html)

To give it a finish look, the boxed the ends.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3_zpsb4083d08.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/3_zpsb4083d08.jpg.html)

After metal finishing it, let's just say I was proud, LOL

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4_zps05774663.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/4_zps05774663.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5_zpsf5d16a0f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/5_zpsf5d16a0f.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/6_zps2819372e.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/6_zps2819372e.jpg.html)

[214Chevy]

Very nice modification Al. Looks like it was born from the factory there. :thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

Very nice modification Al. Looks like it was born from the factory there. :thumbsup:

Thanks Marcus.

Here is a quickie of what going on at the other end. A lot of work has gone into the trunk cutting, slicing and dicing. Goten rid of something like 50 lbs of metal all together. I will post more pics later but here is a quick shot of the panel. Received the billet trunk hinges, they will also save a few ounces, LOL. I will post pics later.

The logo will have a brush finish while the panel and the rest of the trunk will be done in a satin gun metal. Thinking of doing a carbon panel for the divider.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/019_zpsf4c9cdcb.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/019_zpsf4c9cdcb.jpg.html)

[WSSix]

:thumbsup: I like it!

[syborg tt]

The car is looking great and there are plenty of great idea's going into this build. I am looking forward to seeing it at Sema.

[waynieZ]

:thumbsup: I like it!

Me too !

[Operations]

Love the build, great job!

[Al Moreno]

:thumbsup: I like it!

The car is looking great and there are plenty of great idea's going into this build. I am looking forward to seeing it at Sema.

Me too !

Love the build, great job!

Thanks guys! What they lack in experience they are making up in innovation. What till you see what they are up to next.

Here are a few progress pics. My buddy Kevin at HM Racing Design helped the boys with the roll bar and bumpers. They specialize in $500,000 Trophy trucks, so this was a cake walk for them.

Replaced the front and rear bumper which are made from sheet metal with chromoly tubing and dropped over 30 lbs.

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They also tied in the mounting points for the rad off the new bumper. From the inside of the engine bay, the rad will have a floating look to it.

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Since they got rid of the rear seat, they were able to mount the main hoop on the ledge were the rear seat would normally be. This allowed to set it back were you can't see it from the side view. All the other bars we've seen, come off the floor by the front seats, so they are always visible.

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Check out how the down bar came down just above the rear solid mount. The secondary bar fall right above the strut mount solidifying the rear section. Finished it up with a gusset and small dimple.

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For future planning, they welded in the mounting plates for the front down bar in case they want to go the a full cage down the road.

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Filler panel for passenger side of the firewall. This is were the factory cabin filter use to be.

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Gas filler is being relocated to the trunk.

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This is a preview of things to come. They have gotten rid of 30 lbs of metal bracing that was there to support the rear seats.

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[waynieZ]

Wow big changes! Should make a big difference.

[Al Moreno]

Thanks Wayne, pushing to get it done for SEMA. Going to be Line-Xing the entire floor panel next.

The boys did a tremendous amount of work for something that will look so simple in the end. Creating a flat firewall on the driver side.

Here is a pic of the original engine bay. The red circle represent studs (total of 11 studs) that were sticking out about an inch through the firewall into the engine bay. These studs are welded to the plate that hold the buster and pedal assembly.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/4_zps3c098fea.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/4_zps3c098fea.jpg.html)

In order to create a flat firewall driver side, the first step was to cut off the studs off the plate.

Next they had to come up with a way to mount the plate to the firewall.

Seth made the template for what would become a ring the shape of the hole.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/1_zps566cbd31.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/1_zps566cbd31.jpg.html)

Next came cutting the shape out on the plasma cutter

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/2_zps6d63793f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/2_zps6d63793f.jpg.html)

Nathan cleaning out the edges.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/3_zps8fc9e452.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/3_zps8fc9e452.jpg.html)

They cut the heads off the bolts and here they used the plate as a fixture to weld the bolts to the ring.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/6_zpsfcb0a46c.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/6_zpsfcb0a46c.jpg.html)

There's was about another 20 more steps to get to where they welded the ring

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/5_zps189354e2.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/5_zps189354e2.jpg.html)

The holes were use to rosette weld the ring to the firewall.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/008_zpsfc82bed5.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/008_zpsfc82bed5.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/011_zps3bd6fa19.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/011_zps3bd6fa19.jpg.html)

Finally, they welded the ring to the firewall with the stud now facing the cabin. Next on the list is making a carbon fiber firewall.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/null_zps0727af6f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/null_zps0727af6f.jpg.html)

[Amituk]

So mount from inside now?

Nice.

I think we have the next ring brothers here!

[waynieZ]

Wow! So many little details.

[Musclerodz]

Is the line-x going to counter productive of the weight reduction program? BTW, love what your kids are doing, going to make good fabricators in the future.:thumbsup:

[DFRESH]

Awesome is the only word that describes it Al. I love seeing the boys working on it---it's my own wish for my son---hoping he will one day get involved with me on the cars. Amazing work bro!

[Al Moreno]

So mount from inside now?

Yes

Nice.

I think we have the next ring brothers here!

Thanks for the compliment as that high praise indeed! But, I'm not sure about that as Mike and Jim always discourage them at SEMA not to do what they do but do encourage them to go to school. Nathan and Justin are both engineering majors. Justin wants to go in to the suspension design. Nathan wants to be the next golden boy in Silicone Valley



Wow! So many little details.

Thanks Wayne, they wish they had more time before SEMA to do more but time is working against them.

Is the line-x going to counter productive of the weight reduction program? BTW, love what your kids are doing, going to make good fabricators in the future.:thumbsup:

Thanks Mike for the props. They were going to go with Raptor but we saw a truck where the whole body was shot with Linex and the consistency was incredible. Your right on the weight gain but we're thinking no more than a couple of pounds.


Awesome is the only word that describes it Al. I love seeing the boys working on it---it's my own wish for my son---hoping he will one day get involved with me on the cars. Amazing work bro!

Thanks D, it is kinda cool that they will be keeping our hobby going forward in the future.


Here is a quick update. I have got to give all the credit to Justin on this one as this has been his pet project.

Over the past several days he's been working on a close out panel for the trunk to separate it from the interior since we lost the rear seats. This stuff has taken time. lots of it. It is one of those things that though it may look pretty simple, not many people realize how much time and effort is put into it. Here are some pics.

The template was the first step. Hours of fitting, checking, trimming, trashing, cutting, checking, trimming, you get the idea... the driver and passenger sides were not identical as well so had to do a separate template for each side.

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Hand cut the panels from the template

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Made two bends to comply with the frame it will sit against in the trunk.

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Next came carving out the bezel. Your not going to believe this but he did a lot of the work with a $6.99 set of files from Harbor Freight.

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We had a sheet of carbon made by APR performance. These guys specialize in wings and aero. They will be making one for G5.R. This has got to be the largest piece of flat carbon in the "UNIVERSE". That was for you GW, LOL

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Here is a close up.

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Tracing the template.

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After some online research, he found the best way to cut this carbon was with a jig saw and a carbide blade.

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here a mock up. Next in line will be drilling the counter sunken holes and bolting.


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On a different note, the steering wheels is being sent to get completely redone at DCT. These guys do amazing work, mostly for exotics, lambos, Ferrari, etc.

GW this is a wheel they did for a R8. I think it would look killer on your car.

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Here is a link to their face-book: https://www.facebook.com/DCTMotorSports/photos_stream

[coolwelder62]

Al,Congrat's for rising kid's that are not afraid to work hard.The Camaro is turning out Amazing.:gitrdun:

[Rick D]

Great job guys, Al they are really taking it to the next level for sure!!

As for next Ring boys, why can't they do this on the side?? Most of us have to have our day job? Doesn't mean they can't build SMOY cars at night?!

[glassman]

Al, i may have missed this from earlier, where's it going to be featured at SEMA?

thnx,Mike

[Al Moreno]

Al,Congrat's for rising kid's that are not afraid to work hard.The Camaro is turning out Amazing.:gitrdun:

Great job guys, Al they are really taking it to the next level for sure!!

Thanks, it means a lot when it comes from the guys on this forum.

As for next Ring boys, why can't they do this on the side?? Most of us have to have our day job? Doesn't mean they can't build SMOY cars at night?!

Good point Rick, wouldn't that be a hoot, building a SMOY contender from the garage.

Al, i may have missed this from earlier, where's it going to be featured at SEMA?

thnx,Mike

Mike, your right, I must have missed it, It will be at the Race Ramp booth....... God willing.

[GregWeld]

Love the steering wheel Al!!


Tell me something I may have missed. Is this project being built in a school shop?? I thought it was your son building the car -- so is he a shop teacher??

Signed,
Clueless in Sun Valley....

[Al Moreno]

Love the steering wheel Al!!


Tell me something I may have missed. Is this project being built in a school shop?? I thought it was your son building the car -- so is he a shop teacher??

Signed,
Clueless in Sun Valley....

It's Mr. Clueless to you sir, LOL.

G that's a buddy of mine who owns HM racing Design. They specialize in $500,000 trophy trucks. He lets the boys use the shop for the stuff they can't do at home.

I thought you'd like the wheel.

[WSSix]

Very nice work! Good luck getting ti done for SEMA!

[Al Moreno]

Very nice work! Good luck getting ti done for SEMA!


Thanks Trey, it's a lot of work, so they will need all the luck they can get!


Here a quickie of the firewall bezel, the carbon is going to get tone down will a mat finish. We used the factory hood as a test panel. That's going to be the color of the engine bay, floor and trunk.


Justin counter sunk all the holes with a hand held drill!

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[waynieZ]

Very Nice!

[syborg tt]

that is Awesome !!!

Where did you guys get the Carbon Fiber sheets as I need a couple sheets.

[Al Moreno]

Very Nice!

Thnaks Wayne!

that is Awesome !!!

Where did you guys get the Carbon Fiber sheets as I need a couple sheets.

Thanks Marty, I think one sheet is all you'll need as they come in 4' by 8'. Speak with KC at APR Performance Inc. Tel (909) 594-3796

[syborg tt]

Thanks Marty, I think one sheet is all you'll need as they come in 4' by 8'. Speak with KC at APR Performance Inc. Tel (909) 594-3796

and thank you

[Al Moreno]

Well, cars is off to paint. There is no kidding, over 10 days of skimming, sanding and primer in the engine bay. They even skimmed the inside of the fire wall were the filler panel was welded in. There more hours in the trunk than I can count. Every single spot weld has been smooth.

The boys are thinking of going with the same color as the Z/28 concept. What do you guys think?

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/01-2014-chevrolet-camaro-z28-new-york_zps11bfcdc3.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/01-2014-chevrolet-camaro-z28-new-york_zps11bfcdc3.jpg.html)

[coolwelder62]

It will look Awesome if thet choose this color.

[Rick D]

Pearl white mat would look really cool, but remember to keep your hands VERY clear or always wear gloves if you plan on touching the car!! It will show every little touch to the car!

[WSSix]

I like the paint choice but I wonder how important it will be for them to have the car stand out at SEMA? Maybe that should be taken into consideration? I don't know. I think the car would look good in white though.

[Matt@BOS]

Satin white should look good. One option that I saw last weekend that really surprised me was a satin clear wrap over a gloss color. Easier to spray and (in theory) maintain since you don't have to repaint panels if something gets scratched or polished.

[Ron in SoCal]

^ that was impressive. We should of taken a pic. Looked awesome.

[MattO]

I want that paint color so badly.

DO IT!!!

[waynieZ]

I'm loving the color too!

[Al Moreno]

It will look Awesome if thet choose this color.

I want that paint color so badly.

DO IT!!!

I'm loving the color too!

I agree, it is a nice color! The biggest challenge is getting the paint code.

remember to keep your hands VERY clear or always wear gloves if you plan on touching the car!! It will show every little touch to the car!

Rick, that is the biggest concern that would be reason for hesitating going with it.

I like the paint choice but I wonder how important it will be for them to have the car stand out at SEMA? Maybe that should be taken into consideration? I don't know. I think the car would look good in white though.

Standing out at SEMA is a consideration. Blood red was considered but living with the car after SEMA is the biggest consideration and white just fits these car well.

Satin white should look good. One option that I saw last weekend that really surprised me was a satin clear wrap over a gloss color. Easier to spray and (in theory) maintain since you don't have to repaint panels if something gets scratched or polished.

^ that was impressive. We should of taken a pic. Looked awesome.

We looked at some satin whites wraps and they look really nice. The down side is because of the body mods, the car needs to be painted before wrapping as the primer would show through. So painting to wrap didn't make sense.

Because of the maintenance issue with satin, we are leaning more towards a pearl white. I gues the biggest reason for the pearl is just to be different. If your going to spend thousands of dollars to repaint the car, you might change it at least a little so folks know it's not a factory job. I personally love the factory white. Specially if done right like RS's Innovator.


Well here are a few pics of the SEMA crash. Boys work till two this morning and will be up at 6 AM.


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/019_zps897e60bb.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/019_zps897e60bb.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

You have to scroll back -- to see the post with the bag of $6.99 files. I wasn't able to quote the picture here (<me> Dumbest poster in the Universe!).

I was using some files yesterday --- and got to thinking to myself about what an underrated tool they are! I (and this will be a big statement) don't think 90% of the people picking one up, know how to use them properly.

I was taught by a guy that did pick and file work - and lead work - at my first job at Gateway Body and Fender... when I was 13.

[GregWeld]

I vote Pearl white and wonder if it can't be really really WHITE -- rather than a bone white Pearl??


Too bad there won't (???) be a way to tell the story of the boys doing this car at SEMA --- because to me --- that's the koolest part of the car.


Sure makes it fun when your kids get into the hobby! Mine has moved to Redondo Beach and has started a business making carbon fiber diffusers and body kits for high end cars. They'll have two cars at SEMA this year showing off their work. So far they have a couple BMW's -- and LEXUS gave them a IS to do for SEMA... the rest is "in the work$"


http://enlaes.com/335-m-sport/

[Al Moreno]

I vote Pearl white and wonder if it can't be really really WHITE -- rather than a bone white Pearl??


Too bad there won't (???) be a way to tell the story of the boys doing this car at SEMA --- because to me --- that's the koolest part of the car.

I couldn't agree more. Basically you have three brother who have never done anything like this before go at it!


Sure makes it fun when your kids get into the hobby! Mine has moved to Redondo Beach and has started a business making carbon fiber diffusers and body kits for high end cars. They'll have two cars at SEMA this year showing off their work. So far they have a couple BMW's -- and LEXUS gave them a IS to do for SEMA... the rest is "in the work$"



http://enlaes.com/335-m-sport/

Greg thats Awesome! Where are the cars going to be as we would love to see them?

[GregWeld]

Greg thats Awesome! Where are the cars going to be as we would love to see them?


One will be in the Toyo tire booth outside in between main and south hall

[WSSix]

You have to scroll back -- to see the post with the bag of $6.99 files. I wasn't able to quote the picture here (<me> Dumbest poster in the Universe!).

I was using some files yesterday --- and got to thinking to myself about what an underrated tool they are! I (and this will be a big statement) don't think 90% of the people picking one up, know how to use them properly.

I was taught by a guy that did pick and file work - and lead work - at my first job at Gateway Body and Fender... when I was 13.

I learned from my machine tool program at Athens Tech when I was still wandering around not wanting to be in a traditional class room. I see people grab files and just start going back and forth with them. I try to tell them on go forward only and get this are you crazy look as a response.

Life is like that though and everyone learns differently and at different time. As you and Al have mentioned, these brothers haven't done anything like this before and that's part of the story. Quite possibly to coolest part of the story. I think I'd be sure to have that in part of the write up/display information. I think it might help encourage people young and old. Be sure to let us know when the car's going to be featured in the magazines as I'm sure it will be.

[Twoblackmarks...]

This is truly amazing work!! :hail:

And you guys make myself feel very LAZY! Sitting here, on my ass in the cushy Chair sitting on the net.. :popcorn2: :D Instead of just getting something done! He..He.. :D

[Twoblackmarks...]

I was using some files yesterday --- and got to thinking to myself about what an underrated tool they are! I (and this will be a big statement) don't think 90% of the people picking one up, know how to use them properly.

I was taught by a guy that did pick and file work - and lead work - at my first job at Gateway Body and Fender... when I was 13.

I remember at School, then we got an Iron "cut-off" each, that we could only use a file to make a certain length and be perfectly square before we could move on, then we had to mill it according to blueprints in a "stair-pattern" and then drill/mill holes With specific Width, lengths, depths and such. When done, it was over to the lathe :) Good way to learn the basics and train, now I dont know anything.. Ha..Ha.. :D

[Al Moreno]

One will be in the Toyo tire booth outside in between main and south hall

Sweet, looking forward to see them.

Be sure to let us know when the car's going to be featured in the magazines as I'm sure it will be.

Steve wants first dibs at featuring her, so Camaro Performer will be the first mag.

This is truly amazing work!! :hail:

And you guys make myself feel very LAZY! Sitting here, on my ass in the cushy Chair sitting on the net.. :popcorn2: :D Instead of just getting something done! He..He.. :D

Thanks!

Quick update, trunk, interior cabin, floor pan and engine bay are done in the gun metal.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001_zpsf3a7ea67.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/001_zpsf3a7ea67.jpg.html)

She was dropped yesterday to get the custom exterior finished. As you can see G5.R is in good company (Two Bentleys in front and a Merc on the side) These guys specialize in Bentleys, Rolls and all the other exotics. The funny thing is that they were all exited about the American iron project, LOL.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/016_zps701baffd.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/016_zps701baffd.jpg.html)

[Vince@Meanstreets]

man, I don't know about you guys but I can't wait to see this one together but im going to miss seeing the work dont to get there. IS that your shop??? Nice high end work orders going on. Im impressed.

[waynieZ]

It looks awesome, you should show a before picture of the engine bay for comparison.

[Cris@JCG]

Vince- I just can't wait to drive it! I got Al believing that I am a shoe driver.. :lmao:


Al- Got you master cylinder insert done.. When you gonna pick it up??

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3775_zps3f1c1694.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/jcgrestoration/media/IMG_3775_zps3f1c1694.jpg.html)

man, I don't know about you guys but I can't wait to see this one together but im going to miss seeing the work dont to get there. IS that your shop??? Nice high end work orders going on. Im impressed.

[Al Moreno]

man, I don't know about you guys but I can't wait to see this one together but I'm going to miss seeing the work don't to get there. IS that your shop??? Nice high end work orders going on. I'm impressed.

Thanks Vince

It looks awesome, you should show a before picture of the engine bay for comparison.

Wayne, good idea, I will post some before pics as there's a lot of work that went into the engine bay which would go unnoticed unless pointed out.

Vince- I just can't wait to drive it! I got Al believing that I am a shoe driver.. :lmao:


Wait,....... what.......... you mean all the talk about winning Optima the last three years running as a incognito pseudo-driver for Mark Stielow wasn't true!!!!?

Al- Got you master cylinder insert done.. When you gonna pick it up??

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af278/jcgrestoration/IMG_3775_zps3f1c1694.jpg (http://s1015.photobucket.com/user/jcgrestoration/media/IMG_3775_zps3f1c1694.jpg.html)


LOL, I might see you tomorrow bro. Thanks again!

[AmKenpo1]

Just spent the morning going through this thread, OMG!!! :confused18: Much respect to you and your family for the incredible work. I'm looking forward to future posts.

Wil.

[Al Moreno]

Just spent the morning going through this thread, OMG!!! :confused18: Much respect to you and your family for the incredible work. I'm looking forward to future posts.

Wil.

Thanks!

Have a set of Forgeline track wheels being cut for the track. BBS are very nice but are a bit too heavy at 29lbs a piece for track use. 20 by 10.5 all the way around and will make for a good street package.

The new Forgelines are 19 by 11 square set up with very aggressive fitment. These are about 9 lbs. lighter than the BBS per corner, and a crazy 12lbs(front) and 16lbs (rear) lighter than stock each! They will also be able to rotate them from front to back extending tire life. Tire selection is looking like the Toyo R888 305 all around.

Here's a picture from topspeed of the wheels

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab43/CicioTopSpeed/Wheels/DSC_2919.jpg

Here's a pics of the car getting prepped for spraying

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[coolwelder62]

Your,Forgeline wheel choice Rock's.I love the GA1R's.

[syborg tt]

Dam you Al.

Now I want a set of these for my car !!!!

[Al Moreno]

Your,Forgeline wheel choice Rock's.I love the GA1R's.

Dam you Al.

Now I want a set of these for my car !!!!

Thanks guys, the boys tell me that they are the lightest wheels Forgeline offers and hence one of the lightest wheels on the market.

[Rick D]

Dam you Al.

Now I want a set of these for my car !!!!

Man you need help :poke: :hello:

[Rick D]

Al the boys sure are knocking it out of the park on this one!!! Can't wait to see it painted and then the reassembly.

[syborg tt]

Man you need help :poke: :hello:

not the 70 - the 2010 Bumble Bee

[GregWeld]

Thanks guys, the boys tell me that they are the lightest wheels Forgeline offers and hence one of the lightest wheels in the universe.



There Al..... Fixed it for ya!!

[Rick D]

not the 70 - the 2010 Bumble Bee

Oh yeah ok that makes more sense!!! :D

[aggie91]

Just read thru this entire thread. The work you boys are doing is incredible to say the least!

The ideas for the details are killer!

[syborg tt]

Hi Al,

I saw over on Camaro forum that the car wasn't going to make it to Sema and it looks like your kids are taking it pretty hard. What happen and is there anything we can do to help you guys out.

[Al Moreno]

Well guys unfortunately after 2 years of hard work, it came down to "ONE" individual who cause the boys from making SEMA. Being that we are all enthusiasts, you guys more than anybody can relate to the disappointment and let down thats taken place. Nathan has gone with me to SEMA since he was 14 (I know... you have to be sixteen, LOL) and this is the first year in eight he will not be attending as the air has been let of of his bag.

[syborg tt]

Al you need to tell him to pack up and get his butt to Sema. Stuff like this happens and there is no reason not to go.

[Al Moreno]

Al you need to tell him to pack up and get his butt to Sema. Stuff like this happens and there is no reason not to go.

No worries Marty, we will be there!

Here are a few update picks

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/013_zpsb299fe6a.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/013_zpsb299fe6a.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/016_zps684ca28f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/016_zps684ca28f.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/025_zps2c9fd547.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/025_zps2c9fd547.jpg.html)

Had the ZL1 rear diffuser, spoiler, rockers, and the 1LE front splitter replicated in carbon.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/011_zpsbdf46593.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/011_zpsbdf46593.jpg.html)

In order to tone them done, they were spray matte clear.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/026_zps5bb9fdea.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/026_zps5bb9fdea.jpg.html)

Much better

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/003_zps5bbe707a.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/003_zps5bbe707a.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/020_zps18407c27.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/020_zps18407c27.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/003_zps72d230c0.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/003_zps72d230c0.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/004_zps979fdfc8.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/004_zps979fdfc8.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/014_zps79b744ad.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/014_zps79b744ad.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/005_zpsf098be54.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/005_zpsf098be54.jpg.html)

Chuck did a great job on the stripping

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/007_zpsbcff60a8.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/007_zpsbcff60a8.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/015_zps0f5ee9ea.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/015_zps0f5ee9ea.jpg.html)

[WSSix]

Really sorry to hear they won't be making it after all. Doesn't change the fact that they have and are continuing to do a fantastic job on the car.

[coolwelder62]

This is still going to be a BA 5th gen.

[Rick D]

Al what happened?? Just running out of time? Just wondering it seems there is still a lot of hours before Sema fir your boys don't mind not sleeping!!

Either way the car is still bad ass!!!

[clill]

Well guys unfortunately after 2 years of hard work, it came down to "ONE" individual who cause the boys from making SEMA. Being that we are all enthusiasts, you guys more than anybody can relate to the disappointment and let down thats taken place. Nathan has gone with me to SEMA since he was 14 (I know... you have to be sixteen, LOL) and this is the first year in eight he will not be attending as the air has been let of of his bag.

I'm confused. Are they coming or not ?

[waynieZ]

Al sorry to hear this they did some awesome work and should be proud of it. They can't control others. I hope they end up going to SEMA. The under side of hood looks so much better that way.

[Al Moreno]

Al what happened?? Just running out of time? Just wondering it seems there is still a lot of hours before Sema if your boys don't mind not sleeping!!

Either way the car is still bad ass!!!

I'm confused. Are they coming or not ?

Al sorry to hear this they did some awesome work and should be proud of it. They can't control others. I hope they end up going to SEMA. The under side of hood looks so much better that way.

Thanks guys for the kind words. In summary, the paint shop promised the car done in two weeks. That would have left 3 weeks to put the car back together. They took 4 weeks leaving only one week and no way of getting it running.

Race Ramps didn't though it would be an inconvenience pushing the car onto the ramps so they are using a Cadillac instead.

Kinda took the wind out of the boys but they are dusting them self off and regrouping. Pace was slow down to a more relax level and they are moving on.

Here are a couple of pictures with the mock up plastic engine. It is quite unfortunate that G5.R didn't get to debut as it's looks menacing and will be a great performer considering it's about 4 to 500 lbs lighter and 150 more HP than the upcoming Z/28.

It was also going to debut a new twin plenum intake made from composite that looks killer. The manufacture was having a rapid prototype cut at the expense of about $10,000 just to have it on the car. I wish I could show you guys pics.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/007_zps2b405de0.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/007_zps2b405de0.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/015_zps8312c250.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/015_zps8312c250.jpg.html)

From inside the engine bay, the radiator appears to be floating as you can't see any brackets. The shroud in the picture is a mock up. The final version is much nicer, it was made by Derale specifically for G5.R.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/022_zpse6e3ea76.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/022_zpse6e3ea76.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/025_zps64774805.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/025_zps64774805.jpg.html)

Here is a little neat deal they did to the stock intake. Took some HP Sticky shield from Heatshieild Product and used it on the bottom of the intake to reduce the radiant heat off the engine.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/001_zpse4b4d297.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/001_zpse4b4d297.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/004_zpsb252191f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/004_zpsb252191f.jpg.html)

They are hoping to get invite at one of the Optima qualifying events next year and and make SEMA after all.

[GregWeld]

While it's a crying shame AL -- it's not the end of the universe. There are OTHER GREAT SHOWS where it can be debuted. This actually gives them better quality time to do everything the car needs and deserves.

[coolwelder62]

Just amazing.It's So Cool,Now I want a 5th. Gen!!!!!!

[bentfab]

Looks awesome Al!

Tell them boys they are doing a fantastic job!

There's a reason for everything and the debut of the car will be even bigger than SEMA!

Mark

[syborg tt]

Just tell me when and where you guys are going to Debut the car and I will be there.

[hotwhls]

Car looks great and tell them to keep their heads up, But you can never trust those paint guys always double their original quote on how long it will take. :warning:

[Al Moreno]

While it's a crying shame AL -- it's not the end of the universe. There are OTHER GREAT SHOWS where it can be debuted. This actually gives them better quality time to do everything the car needs and deserves.

Your right G, the extra time will make for a better end product. Now that time isn't an urgency,the car will head back to the shop and get a full cage completed as only a four point was done at the time.

Just amazing.It's So Cool, Now I want a 5th. Gen!!!!!!

LOL, the boys putting the "COOL' into a Gen 5 single handily. Which isn't as easy a task as starting off with an already cool 1st gen!

Looks awesome Al!

Tell them boys they are doing a fantastic job!

There's a reason for everything and the debut of the car will be even bigger than SEMA!

Mark

Thanks Mark, we appreciate all your help and advice!

Just tell me when and where you guys are going to Debut the car and I will be there.

You got it!

Car looks great and tell them to keep their heads up, But you can never trust those paint guys always double their original quote on how long it will take. :warning:

Thanks and your absolutely right.

Here are a few pics with the new Forgeline.

305 all around

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/002_zpsbdffa8ca.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/002_zpsbdffa8ca.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/009_zps9d897750.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/009_zps9d897750.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/004_zpsa32cd925.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/004_zpsa32cd925.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/007_zps244e9097.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/007_zps244e9097.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/010_zps6652ef6b.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/010_zps6652ef6b.jpg.html)

[coolwelder62]

Al,The Forgeline GA1R's are frickin smokin cool.My favorite wheel.Camaro's turning out even better w/every post.:thumbsup:

[glassman]

The way I see it, this WILL be a SEMA car for years to come. I think any vendor whose part is on this car would love to have something of this detail in their booth.

[Al Moreno]

Al,The Forgeline GA1R's are frickin smokin cool.My favorite wheel.Camaro's turning out even better w/every post.:thumbsup:

I really love these wheels. I don't think there would be a better choice for this car.

The way I see it, this WILL be a SEMA car for years to come. I think any vendor whose part is on this car would love to have something of this detail in their booth.

Hopefully 2014

Here the intake that will be going on the project. The rapid prototype will go on the car till tooling is completed and replaced with a production piece. The intake will be price to be competitive with the FAST intake. The runners and plenum are composite Zytel material. It's the strongest polymer on the planet to date. Power wise, expectation are over 50/50 HP/TQ

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[syborg tt]

Very cool

[Bsinclair]

i have seen nelson racing testing it with updates on their Facebook page..

[coolwelder62]

Al,very cool.

[Al Moreno]

Very cool


Al,very cool.

Thanks guys, it should be a nice piece when done and the price should make it attractive to the market for sure!

i have seen nelson racing testing it with updates on their Facebook page..

NRE is a really nice piece but this is a different intake. I heard it's making some really good numbers. This one is made out of composite were the NRE is a cast.

[syborg tt]

FYI - Nice little feature

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/worlds-prettiest-ls3/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=worlds-prettiest-ls3

World’s Prettiest LS3?

If the old adage “God lives in the details” is true, than Nathan Moreno has built quite a shrine in this LS3 motor that ultimately will find its way back home to his Gen 5 Camaro. This thing is a razor sharp take on state of the art engine porn and seems a shame to be tucked under the hood of a car. The motor was recently posted on Lateral-G with quite a laundry list of high tech hardware.

Along with a displacement bump to 418 cubic inches, this LS3 is sporting a ported intake and throttle body, 11.4:1 compression ratio, Lingenfelter cam and heads, Lunati crank and rods, CP pistons, Pure Power billet oil filter, Innovators West 8 rib pulley and Turn One power steering.

Nathan must have gone through a lot of die grinder abrasives after all the smoothing and finishing that went into this build. Working with a gray, tone on tone color pallete consisting of BMW “Frozen” gray, gunmetal and anthracite, the result a high tech pin up that takes more than one viewing to appreciate. The carbon fiber valve covers are just the right garnish for the top of the motor and Nathan even manages to make the composite intake manifold look cool.

In the meantime, we’ll keep you posted on when this gasoline DaVinci is reunited with Moreno’s Camaro. Until then, put a glass table top on it and let mere mortals pay homage at the shrine.

[Al Moreno]

FYI - Nice little feature

http://www.lsxtv.com/news/worlds-prettiest-ls3/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=worlds-prettiest-ls3

World’s Prettiest LS3?

If the old adage “God lives in the details” is true, than Nathan Moreno has built quite a shrine in this LS3 motor that ultimately will find its way back home to his Gen 5 Camaro. This thing is a razor sharp take on state of the art engine porn and seems a shame to be tucked under the hood of a car. The motor was recently posted on Lateral-G with quite a laundry list of high tech hardware.

Along with a displacement bump to 418 cubic inches, this LS3 is sporting a ported intake and throttle body, 11.4:1 compression ratio, Lingenfelter cam and heads, Lunati crank and rods, CP pistons, Pure Power billet oil filter, Innovators West 8 rib pulley and Turn One power steering.

Nathan must have gone through a lot of die grinder abrasives after all the smoothing and finishing that went into this build. Working with a gray, tone on tone color pallete consisting of BMW “Frozen” gray, gunmetal and anthracite, the result a high tech pin up that takes more than one viewing to appreciate. The carbon fiber valve covers are just the right garnish for the top of the motor and Nathan even manages to make the composite intake manifold look cool.

In the meantime, we’ll keep you posted on when this gasoline DaVinci is reunited with Moreno’s Camaro. Until then, put a glass table top on it and let mere mortals pay homage at the shrine.

Wow Marty, thanks for posting.... had no idea. Now I hear it's gone viral and G5.R is everywhere. Who would have thought :headspin: Here a couple more:

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/12/this-ls3-though/

https://www.facebook.com/KatechPerformance?filter=3

Been a while since updated the thread. Taking care of a lot of little stuff thats just time consuming!

Mounted the oil coolers.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319012/012_zpsa77e8d74.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319012/012_zpsa77e8d74.jpg.html)

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Modified the Derale brackets that came with the cooler. The PS and Engine cooler brackets were welded together and fab up some end brackets to mount them onto the custom rad support.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319011/209_zps3e50dc4c.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319011/209_zps3e50dc4c.jpg.html)

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http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319011/230_zpsd6fd1765.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319011/230_zpsd6fd1765.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319011/240_zpse9f09030.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319011/240_zpse9f09030.jpg.html)

For the Diff and trans coolers, they fab a cradle out of aluminum and welded the Derale brackets to them. The look from below is pretty cool with the four fans lined up in a row.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319011/249_zps8cd85c8e.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319011/249_zps8cd85c8e.jpg.html)

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Making custom coil brackets.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319010/002_zpsfc73930f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319010/002_zpsfc73930f.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319010/004_zpse2113df6.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319010/004_zpse2113df6.jpg.html)

[Al Moreno]

A lot of little stuff getting completed, small brackets, etc....

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319009/012_zpsed0b781d.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319009/012_zpsed0b781d.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319009/016_zps396ccdff.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319009/016_zps396ccdff.jpg.html)

Saved some weight by replicated the steel plate out of carbon.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319007/007_zps1ae9a1f9.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319007/007_zps1ae9a1f9.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319007/012_zps57748a87.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319007/012_zps57748a87.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319007/005_zpsd562dccc.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319007/005_zpsd562dccc.jpg.html)

the steering wheel, shift knob and boot, and hand brake completely redone by DCT motorsports (They specialize in exotics). The steering wheel was complete reformed.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319013/003_zpsae9ac73f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319013/003_zpsae9ac73f.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319013/108_zps7366411b.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319013/108_zps7366411b.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319013/111_zps8158d8e9.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319013/111_zps8158d8e9.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319013/115_zpsccddc9f4.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319013/115_zpsccddc9f4.jpg.html)

One of the proverbial "two step back scenario" of the project has been the roll cage. After having it mostly completed, the boys sat in the car to check the head room clearance only to conclude there wasn't enough for comfort. We studied multiple Camaro cages at PRI including the factory COPOs, they all have very little head room. So the boys are ripping out the entire cage and start all over again. This time the factory head liner wont be a consideration. The cage will run as close to the body as possible. This should give them about 6 inches of clearance. None of the cage will be visible as it will be hidden under a custom suede headliner and interior panels.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319014/017_zps997e906b.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319014/017_zps997e906b.jpg.html)

[syborg tt]

The car is Sick and it makes me want to start my car all over again.

[Rick D]

Al just amazing, it's just over the top for sure!!

[coolwelder62]

Al, Everytime I check out the thread I finding myself reaching for the phone to call the Chevy dealer to order a new 5th Gen Z/28.Love the build.:thumbsup:

[aggie91]

Your boys are doing an amazing job. The attention to detail is over the top.:headspin:

[Ron in SoCal]

Al :wow: :wow: :wow: LOVE your stuff! I think I want to come visit and see this masterpiece in person.

Props to you and the boys...:cheers:

[Al Moreno]

The car is Sick and it makes me want to start my car all over again.

Al just amazing, it's just over the top for sure!!

Al, Everytime I check out the thread I finding myself reaching for the phone to call the Chevy dealer to order a new 5th Gen Z/28.Love the build.:thumbsup:

That going to be a bad ass car right out of the box. Faster than many exotics.

Your boys are doing an amazing job. The attention to detail is over the top.:headspin:

Al :wow: :wow: :wow: LOVE your stuff! I think I want to come visit and see this masterpiece in person.

Props to you and the boys...:cheers:

Thanks guys! Ron anytime you want.

[EBMC]

Lookin great guys, the attention to detail is very impressive!

[GregWeld]

Personally - I'm glad they missed SEMA -- cause we get treated to just way more out of this universe fab!



It's an effin' masterpiece!

[Al Moreno]

Lookin great guys, the attention to detail is very impressive!

Personally - I'm glad they missed SEMA -- cause we get treated to just way more out of this universe fab!



It's an effin' masterpiece!

Thanks guys! Boys rally appreciate all the votes of confidence.

Doing a lot of misc stuff right now.

After three different coil bracket designs, finally settled on this one. Kinda cool as it's becoming a part of the tubular front cradle.

I'll let the pictures do the talking.

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[Al Moreno]

Plumbing up the whole deal... engine, trans, ps, diff coolers, radiator, fuel, brakes, catch can, vacuum lines, etc...... is a lot of work.

This was pretty cool. Instead of using a clamp to hold the vacuum line, the boys removed factory press in tube and replace it with a AN fitting.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/1_zps5c33d582.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/1_zps5c33d582.jpg.html)

1/8 NPT thread was taped.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/2_zps08870502.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/2_zps08870502.jpg.html)

A lot nice and mechanical look.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/4_zps8f3dee52.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/4_zps8f3dee52.jpg.html)

Random pics but I thought I'd post it as it's looks so clean!

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/3_zpsb2ed0c6e.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/3_zpsb2ed0c6e.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/5_zpsb470cb4d.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/5_zpsb470cb4d.jpg.html)

A lot of work went into making the bracket for the catch can. The spacer was welded to the bracket for a clean look.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/001_zpse1d96a3a.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/001_zpse1d96a3a.jpg.html)

You can see a better view of the bracket in this pic. Now it just need to get powder coated.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/7_zpsb44b6326.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/7_zpsb44b6326.jpg.html)


In the next three pics you can see how the PVC line was completely rerouted to the back of the engine.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/8_zps5b68b197.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/8_zps5b68b197.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319016/9_zpsc341348f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319016/9_zpsc341348f.jpg.html)

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[Ricochet]

Very nice work on the coil mounts! Plumbing is an art - just like wiring. Takes a lot of time to make it all work and look as clean as possible. Great job!

[waynieZ]

More great Fab work ! Very Nice Al.

[canrc]

Absolutely beautiful work! The attention to detail is insane!

I just have one quick suggestion with the position of the MAF -- I had mine about that close to the throttle body and was told that when the TB blade closes if the MAF is mounted to close, the turbulence is forced back through the MAF resulting in inaccurate readings/single sent to the PCM. It needs at a minimum of 9" to 12" to avoid this.

[Al Moreno]

Thanks guys.

Thanks for the suggestion on the MAF. This is the intake that was on the car before.

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We will keep our fingers crossed as you know how it is with this stuff. You never know until you try.

[bentfab]

Awesome stuff Al !!

What do mean plumbing is time consuming and difficult.... :rofl:

[canrc]

Thanks guys.

Thanks for the suggestion on the MAF. This is the intake that was on the car before.

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We will keep our fingers crossed as you know how it is with this stuff. You never know until you try.

That there is a good point sir! Mine is still mounted close to the throttle body -- I am now a year later having it changed so it couldn't have been that bad, haha!

Again the build is amazing!

[Al Moreno]

Awesome stuff Al !!

What do mean plumbing is time consuming and difficult.... :rofl:

Thanks Mark! LOL on the pluming.

Quick pic of the engine mock up as next week they are doing all the wiring. It’s all going to be mill spec, Raychem DR25 motorsport heatshrink, etc…..

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319026/1a_zpsfded6c73.png (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319026/1a_zpsfded6c73.png.html)

[syborg tt]

Very impressive for a first project.

[Jr]

Al,

Looks great!

What kind of black braided hose are you using in the engine compartment?

[camcojb]

I really need this to be a feature over on our sister site! Absolutely incredible build.

http://www.thecamarosite.com/forums/

http://www.thecamarosite.com/images/thecamarosite_600.png (http://www.thecamarosite.com/forums/)

[Al Moreno]

Very impressive for a first project.

Thanks Marty, the boys took your advice and are doing a replacement dry carbon roof panel. Should save about 30 lbs. They are also getting a rear tubular cradle done which should drop approx 70 lbs. I also heard talk about billet spindles.....

Al,

Looks great!

What kind of black braided hose are you using in the engine compartment?

Jr it's all XRP stuff. Really top shelf

I really need this to be a feature over on our sister site! Absolutely incredible build.

http://www.thecamarosite.com/forums/

http://www.thecamarosite.com/images/thecamarosite_600.png (http://www.thecamarosite.com/forums/)

Jody, I will let the boys know.


Here is a little update on the harness. This is what came off.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319027/IMG_4790_zps4291aaa5.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319027/IMG_4790_zps4291aaa5.jpg.html)

This is whats going in.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319027/IMG_4803_zpsa2a80744.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319027/IMG_4803_zpsa2a80744.jpg.html)

[Bowtieracing]

Best just gets better:trophy-1302: Can you share more details what you did for wiring?

[Al Moreno]

Best just gets better:trophy-1302: Can you share more details what you did for wiring?

Thanks! The cars has Five harness. Two have been completely redone and the other three were given a hair cut.

Here is whats left of the interior harness after removing all the unnecessary wires and connectors.


http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319032/011_zps8075ec5b.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319032/011_zps8075ec5b.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319032/012_zps04291e6d.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319032/012_zps04291e6d.jpg.html)

Over 9 lbs of wires remove off the interior harness alone.

This is the accessory harness. You can see how it is now routed through the frame instead of the engine bay.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319031/3_zps485b3665.png (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319031/3_zps485b3665.png.html)

The speed sensor connector not drops into the wheel well instead of cluttering the engine bay.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319031/4_zps6e25511d.png (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319031/4_zps6e25511d.png.html)

You can see were it comes out of the frame and feeds the horns, radiator fans, air temp sensor and ground.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319033/1_zpse1ffe6ae.png (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319033/1_zpse1ffe6ae.png.html)

Here you can see how the harness runs across and over to the passenger side.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319031/2_zps3b0f4bc7.png (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319031/2_zps3b0f4bc7.png.html)

We really need to give and HUGE thanks and shout out to Eric from EJ Wire Works http://www.ejwireworks.com who has been doing all the wiring. He is definitely a God send!

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319034/0_0_0_0_250_188_csupload_54637259_large_zps0d47500 7.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319034/0_0_0_0_250_188_csupload_54637259_large_zps0d47500 7.jpg.html)

He's been in the business over 25 years, and specializes in Trophies trucks where those harness are just over the top. He worked at Alpine at one point where they made those custom SEMA cars. Hot Rods and Custom Stuff uses him as their go-to guy for all of their wiring. So for any home builder or Pro shop looking for a great guy, Eric is your man as he is mobile and does works in all the west coast states.

Here is another one of those cool little details. Notice how the water vapor line now goes into the radiator tube instead to the actual radiator. Next the radiator cap will be welded into the tube also. Lot's of thoughts and work into this tube!

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319031/5_zpsbff39e4a.png (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319031/5_zpsbff39e4a.png.html)

The engine was missing something...... So for the crowning jewel, OZMO is making the first single long runner single TB intake. Should arrive in 6 weeks.

The runners are 6.8" long. It will run a 102 Nick Williams Billet TB.

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319032/RS3-LR2manifold4_zpsc7eda9f4.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319032/RS3-LR2manifold4_zpsc7eda9f4.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319032/RS3-LR2manifold22_zps376f1c9f.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319032/RS3-LR2manifold22_zps376f1c9f.jpg.html)

The boys are contemplating whether to go with the rails on the inside or outside but are leaning to outside as it compliments the mechanical theme..

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319032/1awsa_zps11e6d636.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319032/1awsa_zps11e6d636.jpg.html)

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee508/AL7319/AL7319032/644016_477394245618469_114640701_n_zps9a683fef.jpg (http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/AL7319/media/AL7319032/644016_477394245618469_114640701_n_zps9a683fef.jpg .html)

[Bowtieracing]

Thanks Al for great detailed info. This is so far coolest topic i have seen!

[Ricochet]

Beautiful!! The intake is slick! Where do you get those radiator hose clamps?

Thanks in advance!

[garickman]

Beautiful!! The intake is slick! Where do you get those radiator hose clamps?

Thanks in advance!

Brent, check post #55 on page 6 of this thread.

[GregWeld]

Sometimes "less" is "more"..... I'd vote for mounting the rails on the inside so as not to distract from the best million dollar intake in the Universe!


Love ya AL!


GW

[Ron in SoCal]

Greg wouldn't that require removal of the intake just to get to the injectors? Of course, if it's just a showcar then who cares : D

[GregWeld]

Greg wouldn't that require removal of the intake just to get to the injectors? Of course, if it's just a showcar then who cares : D



How many times anyone on here had to mess with their injectors....


I've had EFI cars for years now -- never had to mess with 'em after the build was done and tuned.

[Ron in SoCal]

Good point. During my build I've messed with them 5x. Fun :P

[GregWeld]

Good point. During my build I've messed with them 5x. Fun :P

Well yours are 10 years old and haven't been run - most of us put a motor in - fire it off and go driving.


:>)

[Ricochet]

Brent, check post #55 on page 6 of this thread.

Thanks Greg! Looks like they are the "Turbo" style clamps? Didn't relaize they are still screw style clamps like the normal one style clamps.

[U-turn]

Well yours are 10 years old and haven't been run - most of us put a motor in - fire it off and go driving.


:>)


Oh snap!

[waynieZ]

Awesome looking intake. I like them on the inside too but outside won't detract anything.

[Bowtieracing]

Awesome looking intake. I like them on the inside too but outside won't detract anything.


It is! Is there any info what kind of low speed / street manner it has? Can it be used with stock cam ?