Two Dyno days one winner

[FETorino]

I know at least two people on here that are building something other than an LS. :cool: I'm calling the other guy out.:lolhit: :D

I'll have my Dyno results on the 9th or 10th of Nov. Who thinks that little SB2 Flash is building will beat my 1960s tech motor?

What ya got Dave? Will that motor of yours run this year or not :question:

45 year old cast iron Tunnelport heads. Intake flow #s on a conservative flow bench.

Lift before after

.100 101 98
.200 173 168
.300 215 228
.400 243 262
.500 270 295
.600 294 322
.700 311 343

One of two Original Ford intakes a 2x4 with a pair of 750s or a single 1050 dominator (I'm running both on the dyno)
Pond Al sideoiler block
Crower forged crank 4.375 stroke with my bore it puts me at 496ci
Crower 6.7 rods
Custom CP pistons to put me @ 11 to 1
Crower bushed style solid roller lifters and a BP cam targeting peak power around 6200rpm.
T&D rocker set
Smith Bros pushrods
Dailey engineering 4 stage dry sump
Locked out MSD dist with MSD digital II CDI with programable ignition curve.
Electric water pump



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[Flash68]

Wait... what? How many cubes you got? :lol: You know if I was smart I woulda said we compare hp/tq per cubic inch! :willy:

You go first....good...so I can turn up the wick when it's my turn. :unibrow:

I'd have to guess (hope) I'll be on the dyno by end of November. :lateral:

Dart Little M block
4.170 bore x 4.00 stroke = 437 cubes
10.8 to 1 compression
Joe Gibbs SB2.2 heads
Ported GM intake
Single 4150 Holley style carb (will dyno 2-3 carbs)
6 stage dry sump system

[FETorino]

Wait... what? How many cubes you got? :lol:

You go first....good...so I can turn up the wick when it's my turn. :unibrow:

I'd have to guess (hope) I'll be on the dyno by end of November. :lateral:

I can see you now..... Hey Mike what if we put a bigger cam in this thing will we be able to beat the Ford?:_paranoid The other Chevy guys on the forum will never let me forget this.:wow:

[Vegas69]

What are the power aspirations for you guys that like to do things the hard and expensive way?:lol:

[FETorino]

What are the power aspirations for you guys that like to do things the hard and expensive way?:lol:

I didn't set the bar very high. Just about 10% higher than an old ZL1.:rofl:

[Flash68]

What are the power aspirations for you guys that like to do things the hard and expensive way?:lol:

Hard and expensive. Check.

I didn't set the bar very high. Just about 10% higher than an old ZL1.:rofl:

A 23 degree SBC can hit those numbers. :lol:

[Vegas69]

:lol: My car was pro touring car.

[Flash68]

:lol: My car was pro touring car.

need I remind you it rode in that sweet trailer of yours to all of those "pro touring" events :rofl:

[OLDFLM]

This will be fun to watch!! Making the popcorn now guys! LOL

My Dad always used to say "cubic inches or cubic money"... we'll see!

Being a Pontiac guy with traditional power that surprised a lot of people I'm rooting for the... er... um... Ford.

[Flash68]

My Dad always used to say "cubic inches or cubic money"... we'll see!

Being a Pontiac guy with traditional power that surprised a lot of people I'm rooting for the... er... um... Ford.

Well I have neither of those cubic things so I might be in trouble.

I don't blame ya... I am almost rooting for the sorry Ford too. :D

[badmatt]

I'm not even going to touch this one........... at all.

you guys have all the cubes :(

[Ron in SoCal]

That's too easy. Go second, add a little head gasket squish, record the number...and don't go boom! :lol:

Great post Rob :cheers:

[intocarss]

Ya know whos got my vote

[badmatt]

Ya know whos got my vote

the big one? LOL

[FETorino]

I'm not even going to touch this one........... at all.

you guys have all the cubes :(

Your sig says where your heart lies. :cool:

That's too easy. Go second, add a little head gasket squish, record the number...and don't go boom! :lol:

Great post Rob :cheers:

Badmatt is PMing DG right now coaching him on every trick he can muster for that little SB2 :rofl:

It's pretty cool to think you can go about a similar hp goal in two very different yet similar ways.

We're both NA and both single carbs (well DG is afraid of my dual four intake so I agreed to use the single four figures:lol: )

Both motors are dry sumped and solid roller cams.

One's a small block Chevy and one will make more power :rofl: :rofl:

:cheers:

[badmatt]

Your sig says where your heart lies. :cool:

Badmatt is PMing DG right now coaching him on every trick he can muster for that little SB2 :rofl:

:cheers:

Well Shoot.. now you got us all figured out...

I do like the backwards heat dissipation idea though... Iron heads with an aluminum block. :cool:

Mattykins

[Sieg]

Cubic dollars can beat cubic inches........well there goes the curtains for the guest room. :mad:

[FETorino]

Cubic dollars can beat cubic inches........well there goes the curtains for the guest room. :mad:

Like the man says $$ can overcome a lot of other things when applied correctly. :unibrow:

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[intocarss]

the big one? LOL

The big bow tie. I never met a Furd I didn't like to beat

[badmatt]

The big bow tie. I never met a Furd I didn't like to beat

count it! :yes:

[Sieg]

Nice comparison data Rod :thumbsup:
Peak piston speeds at redlines were interesting.

[Flash68]

I see some smart people have been voting. :lol:

Hey that Cup motor is kinda weak. Late Model versions of the 358 makes 100 more hp. :unibrow:

If you got big numbers.... all I need to do is put on some bigger ratio shaft rockers. Like 2.0. That'll get it done. :D

[FETorino]

I see some smart people have been voting. :lol:

:D

Yea but the other 9 voted for your SB2:rofl:

[Vegas69]

Let's see some hp/tq goals from both?

[FETorino]

Let's see some hp/tq goals from both?

The goal is 700ftlbs of torque, a big flat torque shelf. Peak hp is targeted at 6k rpm or just a little over and we think 700 will be seen for sure.

[Flash68]

I have the advantage (or disadvantage possibly) of seeing a dyno sheet on my motor with wet sump and east coast 92 octane (which I have heard is a TON better than our Calif 91 octane crap). Supposedly they did 8 pulls and peaked at 730-something hp and 609 ft lbs.

I have the dyno for a full day so we will tinker with as much as we can.

That said, with the addition of the dry sump, I am targeting 750 hp @ 7k rpm or less and 625 ft lbs.

I think with Mr FE's cubes he should take the avg torque win but I hope to get him on the top end. :D

EDIT: And yes I know dynos are tuning devices and not to see who can win the horsepower contest. We plan to fully utilize the dyno day to sort out his motor and dial it in. Will be a first for me.

[FETorino]

Thinking back it seems we answered this question twice.:D


I didn't set the bar very high. Just about 10% higher than an old ZL1.:rofl:

:cheers:

[badmatt]

Sounds like a bunch of terminator owners up in here!

whine whine whine...


:lol:

[dolf]

I wanna play!

437sbc, Dart aluminum block , est. 11.5/1, for pump 93
400+ cfm RFD 15* heads
Ported Mopar 5007420 single plane
Holley 950 ultra, may upgrade to a Braswell or Prosystems with road race floats
Solid roller custom spec'd by my builder
Callies lightweight rotating ass, Diamond pistons, Morel lifters, Jesel pro Series, Blah, blah blah

Should be on the dyno in Dec. Hoping for close to 800hp, 650tq

[Vegas69]

Thinking back it seems we answered this question twice.:D




:cheers:

When you run over 25 events and 3500 street miles with not one single mechanical failure, let's talk. :D

That engine was one of the most powerful and reliable engines this circle has ever seen. If we would have been able to pick the cylinder head, use a single plane, and a bigger carb, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. :unibrow: I decided to recycle a few things from my first mistake, I mean engine. :lol: It was the perfect combination for pro touring.

[Matt@BOS]

When you run over 25 events and 3500 street miles with not one single mechanical failure, let's talk. :D

That engine was one of the most powerful and reliable engines this circle has ever seen. If we would have been able to pick the cylinder head, use a single plane, and a bigger carb, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. :unibrow: I decided to recycle a few things from my first mistake, I mean engine. :lol: It was the perfect combination for pro touring.

Reliable for an old school motor, yes. One of the most powerful and reliable in our circle, now that is a Todd statement. :unibrow: You know the OLC makes similar power and drives more that 3500 miles in one week, every year, and has done so without issue, right?

And before you have a comeback about LS engines, let me just, "I know, I know..."

[Vegas69]

I said one of the most, not the most. For old school, likely the most. The ribbing I could give you right now. :D I'll save it for next time I see you.

[FETorino]

I wanna play!

437sbc, Dart aluminum block , est. 11.5/1, for pump 93
400+ cfm RFD 15* heads
Ported Mopar 5007420 single plane
Holley 950 ultra, may upgrade to a Braswell or Prosystems with road race floats
Solid roller custom spec'd by my builder
Callies lightweight rotating ass, Diamond pistons, Morel lifters, Jesel pro Series, Blah, blah blah

Should be on the dyno in Dec. Hoping for close to 800hp, 650tq

I like it. DG add him to the poll even though he's going to kick our A$$s:D

[FETorino]

When you run over 25 events and 3500 street miles with not one single mechanical failure, let's talk. :D

That engine was one of the most powerful and reliable engines this circle has ever seen. If we would have been able to pick the cylinder head, use a single plane, and a bigger carb, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on. :unibrow: I decided to recycle a few things from my first mistake, I mean engine. :lol: It was the perfect combination for pro touring.

Its good to see the passion you had for your build that's probably why it turned out so sweet. :D BUT If you made those mods and I had "no leg to stand on" then it's not the same combo and the rest of the statements might not be true. You may have gotten even more use our of your trailer.:unibrow:

Now my ancient big block is not targeted at peak hp or torque trust me it is designed FIRST to be reliable and durable just like it's ancestors that won LeMans. Blair regularly builds 900+hp FEs for SS competition so he and even I know where we left plenty of hp on the table.

[Vegas69]

It wouldn't have changed the reliability. Streetability and autocross ability is another debate. :unibrow:

[Matt@BOS]

It wouldn't have changed the reliability. Streetability and autocross ability is another debate. :unibrow:

Alright, I suppose I have to give credit where credit is due. That engine in Payback is probably more docile and driveable that 90 percent of the modified LS engines I've driven. when I had to take the car down the street to that car show, it was totally the opposite of what I expected. Despite being loud and nasty sounding, it was super easy to drive. I would even complain about having to drive it in L.A. Stop and go traffic.

Rob, if you want your engine to be better than Todd's you should probably let me drive it to see how it compares. :unibrow:

Dave, I don't need to drive your car. I had an engine that didnt have any torque for the street, and I had a Mustang with LeMans stripes, I can pretty much imagine what your car will be like to drive. Ok, that and I know I would just stall it and embarrass myself :lol:

[FETorino]

I do like the backwards heat dissipation idea though... Iron heads with an aluminum block. :cool:

Mattykins

In the past I've read a lot about how Iron heads make more power. I've had old time engine guys tell me the same thing.

Recently I've seen articles that debunk that myth or claim to. Those articles also say both head materials make the same power.

With an FE the head is actually small. The majority of the cool side is part of the intake manifold and so it's AL. The majority of the exhaust port is divorced from the main casting of the head. I think for Iron heads the design dissipates heat pretty well.

It does make you think more about cold valve lash.

[Vegas69]

Alright, I suppose I have to give credit where credit is due. That engine in Payback is probably more docile and driveable that 90 percent of the modified LS engines I've driven. when I had to take the car down the street to that car show, it was totally the opposite of what I expected. Despite being loud and nasty sounding, it was super easy to drive. I would even complain about having to drive it in L.A. Stop and go traffic.

Rob, if you want your engine to be better than Todd's you should probably let me drive it to see how it compares. :unibrow:

Dave, I don't need to drive your car. I had an engine that didnt have any torque for the street, and I had a Mustang with LeMans stripes, I can pretty much imagine what your car will be like to drive. Ok, that and I know I would just stall it and embarrass myself :lol:

I forgot about you driving my car. :lol: I'm surprised to hear you say it was more docile than the LS. I haven't driven many LS engines but cubic inches equals easy torque. That's why Rob's engine will be a much better street mill.

[Flash68]

I wanna play!

437sbc, Dart aluminum block , est. 11.5/1, for pump 93
400+ cfm RFD 15* heads
Ported Mopar 5007420 single plane
Holley 950 ultra, may upgrade to a Braswell or Prosystems with road race floats
Solid roller custom spec'd by my builder
Callies lightweight rotating ass, Diamond pistons, Morel lifters, Jesel pro Series, Blah, blah blah

Should be on the dyno in Dec. Hoping for close to 800hp, 650tq

Chris... dude... that's really not a fair fight! :faint:



Dave, I don't need to drive your car. I had an engine that didnt have any torque for the street, and I had a Mustang with LeMans stripes, I can pretty much imagine what your car will be like to drive. Ok, that and I know I would just stall it and embarrass myself :lol:

This baby cammed motor should have have plenty of torque for the street. A helluva lot more than my 377.

But yes I would enjoy watching you modulate the Tilton triple disk. I'll be sure to learn myself when no one is around. :D

That's why Rob's engine will be a much better street mill.

Easy killer...

[dolf]

Awww, come on DG... same cubes, mine is wet sump, both peak around 7k. I'm just playin around anyway. I will race you guys around Laguna Seca if I make it out that way or i'll meet ya in the middle somewhere. To tell you the truth, i'm a little jealous of your setup over mine. Sb2.2 is sexyyyy, same with side oiler! People will look at mine and be like, "meh, looks like a normal sbc".

[Flash68]

Awww, come on DG... same cubes, mine is wet sump, both peak around 7k. I'm just playin around anyway. I will race you guys around Laguna Seca if I make it out that way or i'll meet ya in the middle somewhere. To tell you the truth, i'm a little jealous of your setup over mine. Sb2.2 is sexyyyy, same with side oiler! People will look at mine and be like, "meh, looks like a normal sbc".

Hey man I'm just glad you came over to this forum. :thumbsup:

Yeah don't kid yourself. That is one bad biatch. Those 15* heads may not look exotic but they dominate mine AND Rob's fat heads.

No go on Laguna Seca... our cars are WAAAY too loud to pass sound there. :mad:

But I like the idea of meeting in the middle. :unibrow:

[badmatt]

:)

Matt

[FETorino]

:unibrow: Hey man I'm just glad you came over to this forum. :thumbsup:

Yeah don't kid yourself. That is one bad biatch. Those 15* heads may not look exotic but they dominate mine AND Rob's fat heads.

No go on Laguna Seca... our cars are WAAAY too loud to pass sound there. :mad:

But I like the idea of meeting in the middle. :unibrow:

Hey I'm looking to muffle mine enough to get on that track :D

I'd meet in the middle but first I need to get the car to run. The dyno is only step one. :willy:

We'll determine domination when they all run and we meet in the middle:thumbsup:

DG you are dominating the ppoll, you better deliver or your bowtie fans will lynch you.:rofl:

I forgot about you driving my car. :lol: I'm surprised to hear you say it was more docile than the LS. I haven't driven many LS engines but cubic inches equals easy torque. That's why Rob's engine will be a much better street mill.

Well played sir, that will silence the ZL1 smack for a bit :unibrow:

:cheers:

[FETorino]

DG

I'll be doing the benchmark lap in a couple days. Should I send the dyno sheets in PDF direct to Mike to help him plan your build?:_paranoid

:cheers:

[Flash68]

DG

I'll be doing the benchmark lap in a couple days. Should I send the dyno sheets in PDF direct to Mike to help him plan your build?:_paranoid

:cheers:

Hey Mike doesn't need any extra motivation. He is already telling me to run race gas and raise the compression. I am trying to keep this fair. :lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Mike doesn't need any extra motivation. He is already telling me to run race gas and raise the compression. I am trying to keep this fair. :lol:

That's a given. You'll step down three sizes on the head gasket, might as well deck the heads a bit...:D

[intocarss]

Hey Mike doesn't need any extra motivation. He is already telling me to run race gas and raise the compression. I am trying to keep this fair. :lol:

Fords & Pump gas are for the tow vehicle. Nothing like the smell of race fuel in the morning, 14.5 comp & VP 14+ FTW

[Flash68]

Good luck Rob. Better you first than me. :captain:

[GregWeld]

The arguments and statements put forth here are hilarious....

We all know that motors are purpose built. It's very difficult to have big numbers and street ability... from the same engine. Everyone knows that cubic inches make great torque numbers... but cubic inches usually weigh more...

Seriously - these arguments have been going on since the beginning of motors. I wouldn't want to race against a small cube high winding F1 engine... I think they'd beat me. I wouldn't want to drive it in traffic though.

I love the torquey big inch - small Dart 180 head - wide LSA cammed motor in my heavy Nomad...

I love the big inch small block Ford that's in the Mustang.... COMPLETELY different uses! Completely different "reliability" (Ford is already broken!)...

My point is I love them BOTH! But for different reasons....

If you want to build a disappointing - EXPENSIVE engine... build a Mopar.


:cheers:

[Flash68]

I don't think you'll get one argument on that ^^

This poll and discussion is more about the man vs the motor. :D

Nice dig on the Mopars. :lol:

[GregWeld]

Nice dig on the Mopars. :lol:




HAHAHAHAHA I thought you'd like that!


Sadly -- it's TRUE!

[intocarss]

HAHAHAHAHA I thought you'd like that!


Sadly -- it's TRUE! You are sooooooooo right

[Flash68]

Hey Rob... looks like I just pulled into the lead on both. Better round up your Ford buddies. :unibrow:

[DFRESH]

I read an article in Chevy High not to long ago that had a bone stock LS3 motor with a D1 Procharger on it. It made approx 760 HP I believe. Stock--sans accessories and running headers. Torque was equally impressive for 376 inches. They may have given it a splash of 100 octane--not sure.

Going through this thread reminded me of that story when I was thinking how tough it was not so long ago to make the kind of power you guys are talking about. Now you can just strap a blower on a stock LS and achieve similar levels. Granted, it may not take the abuse for as long, but it is impressive.

In terms of who takes the title in this head to head N/A challenge, I will say whomever exercises the most control over the correction factor dial.

D

[Flash68]

^^ You take that LS trash somewhere else pal. :lol:

[FETorino]

Hey Rob... looks like I just pulled into the lead on both. Better round up your Ford buddies. :unibrow:

Where the hell would I find those on this board.:rofl: :rofl:

[intocarss]

Where the hell would I find those on this board.:rofl: :rofl:

Maybe post an ad in the WTB section

[FETorino]

Maybe post an ad in the WTB section

I tried it but all I got was a bunch of coupons for LS parts....::P

Ok Dave what you got? :unibrow:

In fairness we did run 110 on the dyno... I don't plan to hammer it this hard on pump.

:cheers:

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[Flash68]

Oh so NOW it comes out you ran on 110..... interesting. I am not sure what Mike likes to do on his dyno and what our final comp ratio will be. TBD I guess...

Let's just say I am liking my chances.... :unibrow:

Killer numbers for such an archaic beast. :lol:

[Vegas69]

I'm surprised you spent so much time tuning on fuel you will rarely use. Did you dyno it in street trim?

[GregWeld]

I'm surprised you spent so much time tuning on fuel you will rarely use. Did you dyno it in street trim?



Sorry -- but I have to say that statement is just a bunch of hoohaw...:unibrow:


You'll guarantee that a motor won't be AS susceptible to detonation on the dyno with higher octane fuel... and especially the use of this for finding (experimenting with) the max timing settings etc without running into trouble. This is an extremely smart decision on the dyno operators part.

The actual power difference between 91 octane and say 100 octane is so negligible it's hardly worth discussion. And it's been proven that the tuning set up for 91 octane and 118 octane can be exactly the same - same jet sizes - same timing.

Having said that.... If I tuned on a dyno with 100 or 110 then I'd probably pull out 2* of total timing for the street -- AFTER I found the max I could run - just because pump gas is so "variable" these days.


Octane rating is defined as the resistance to detonation a fuel has in an internal-combustion engine. The higher the number, the more resistance it has. That is why engines with higher compression require higher-octane fuel. As a result of its resistance to detonation, it has a resistance to burn as well. This resistance to burn is a non-issue in motors tuned to the edge; the edge being just before detonation occurs. When a pump-gas engine is subjected to a higher-octane race fuel, it may result in a decrease in power from an incomplete burn.

Here's the deal -- the higher the octane - the less resistant to detonation -- that also means it's less resistant to BURNING as well.... If you're going to run an engine on the ragged edge - then best to run on higher octane and not hurt the motor - particularly if you have maximum timing etc so max power. But todays OXYGENATED fuels actually burn really well because they carry what? Extra oxygen! In a N/A engine that's a plus!

Stick 100 or 110 in an engine tuned for best power on 91 and you might see a LOSS of power... not an add. Funny -- and OPPOSITE of what one would think huh!

[Vegas69]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. A leaded racing fuel and an unleaded street fuel will effect tuning. Sure you can run both on the same tune up but how do you find the sweet spot on your intended fuel by using a band aid on the dyno? Alot can be learned from exhaust temperature, air/fuel ratio, and ultimately loss and gains in power making changes.

I do agree that using the higher octane fuel doesn't mean more power unless pump gas is insufficient. It's probably a safer bet to break in an engine for the less experienced. I specifically remember Pettis shutting mine down and leaning out the carb to reduce exhaust temperature at start up.

At the end of the day, we found max power on 91 octane with safe exhaust temps, safe air/fuel, and 34 degrees of timing. That was my intended application. Seemed to work out alright. :D

I'm no expert but I know enough to disagree with you.:rofl:

[GregWeld]

I'm no expert but I know enough to disagree with you.:rofl:


I think you'll need some more research before you can really make that statement.

I don't think you really paid attention to what I was saying. That he wouldn't necessarily make more power using 100 than he would have running 91 -- but he can tune the motor without fearing the dreaded detonation while he's fooling with timing etc. The motor was built to be run using pump gas... therefore the compression etc doesn't demand 100 octane fuel... and 100 octane fuel doesn't "make" more power - they just protect against detonation. The higher compression motors demand higher octane fuels - but that's a different situation. We're talking about a street motor with normal compression.


I should add that VP makes Streetblaze that is a 100 octane unleaded OXYGENATED fuel that will make more power... so I guess we really should know what fuel he tuned on. My guess is leaded 100 octane non oxygenated for the safety factor.

And it's okay if we disagree... I just like being right. :D

[GregWeld]

By the way -- this is a great discussion because there's a lot of thinking out there by people that don't know that might learn something from it.

I know plenty of guys that think they should toss in some 100 octane because they're going "racin'".... On a hot day - pushing to the max - it might help protect their motor - but they're NOT making more power.

[intocarss]

By the way -- this is a great discussion because there's a lot of thinking out there by people that don't know that might learn something from it.

I know plenty of guys that think they should toss in some 100 octane because they're going "racin'".... On a hot day - pushing to the max - it might help protect their motor - but they're NOT making more power.

I know those guys :rolleyes:

[GregWeld]

I know those guys :rolleyes:



Don't we all!!

Gasoline and A/F ratios are really misunderstood. Can't tell ya how many people think A/F ratio is the magic bullet... and that 38* of timing in their SBC is still the right thing to do... Despite having modern aluminum heads etc.

They have to be shown on the dyno and even then my guess is the first time they get a chance - they bump the timing back up! :lol:

[fleetus macmullitz]

They have to be shown on the dyno and even then my guess is the first time they get a chance - they bump the timing back up! :lol:

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Congrats on the results Rob. :thumbsup:

Especially since it's a TP headed FE. :unibrow:

[FETorino]

Congrats on the results Rob. :thumbsup:

Especially since it's a TP headed FE. :unibrow:

Thanks for the props, I'm really stoked about the outcome.

Oh so NOW it comes out you ran on 110..... interesting. I am not sure what Mike likes to do on his dyno and what our final comp ratio will be. TBD I guess...

Let's just say I am liking my chances.... :unibrow:

Killer numbers for such an archaic beast. :lol:


Thanks DG, good luck with winning that $20 if your is able to run on pump.:rolleyes:

See below grasshopper and follow the conservative path to engine testing.


Sorry -- but I have to say that statement is just a bunch of hoohaw...:unibrow:


You'll guarantee that a motor won't be AS susceptible to detonation on the dyno with higher octane fuel... and especially the use of this for finding (experimenting with) the max timing settings etc without running into trouble. This is an extremely smart decision on the dyno operators part.

The actual power difference between 91 octane and say 100 octane is so negligible it's hardly worth discussion. And it's been proven that the tuning set up for 91 octane and 118 octane can be exactly the same - same jet sizes - same timing.

Having said that.... If I tuned on a dyno with 100 or 110 then I'd probably pull out 2* of total timing for the street -- AFTER I found the max I could run - just because pump gas is so "variable" these days.


Octane rating is defined as the resistance to detonation a fuel has in an internal-combustion engine. The higher the number, the more resistance it has. That is why engines with higher compression require higher-octane fuel. As a result of its resistance to detonation, it has a resistance to burn as well. This resistance to burn is a non-issue in motors tuned to the edge; the edge being just before detonation occurs. When a pump-gas engine is subjected to a higher-octane race fuel, it may result in a decrease in power from an incomplete burn.

Here's the deal -- the higher the octane - the less resistant to detonation -- that also means it's less resistant to BURNING as well.... If you're going to run an engine on the ragged edge - then best to run on higher octane and not hurt the motor - particularly if you have maximum timing etc so max power. But todays OXYGENATED fuels actually burn really well because they carry what? Extra oxygen! In a N/A engine that's a plus!

Stick 100 or 110 in an engine tuned for best power on 91 and you might see a LOSS of power... not an add. Funny -- and OPPOSITE of what one would think huh!

Save me a lot of typing there GW. :D

The gas was some leaded 110 sold at the local MN race shop.

The old style combustion chamber in these heads requires a lot of timing and 11 to 1 with iron heads is pushing it. The DCR looked a little higher than I'd be excited about running on 91 during tuning.

Max power came with 40 deg of timing. My distributor is locked out and wired to a digital 6 MSD on the dyno. I have a 6AL II that allows you to program in your timing curve that I will run in the car. For street use I'll program a fairly lazy advance curve all in at 3k and retarded 2 deg to 6500 or maybe redline. If vp 100 is available on a track day I'll run it with the distributor locked out to the digital 6 box with no curve or I'll flash in an aggressive curve to 40.

Actual road manners and on track performance isn't alwyas dialed in after a dyno session. I believe it is just getting you in the ballpark and ensuring nothing is going sour in a controlled environment.

AF meters are a good indicator of possible danger but tuning to a number on those sensors isn't the way to go. Tune the motor on the dyno for power. If it is unhappy with the small changes you make the power output will start showing you are headed to trouble before you hurt something.

I have an LM1 that I will use to do some final road tuning on the jetting.

I personally think at my compression level the 110 hurt the hp figures some (some as in very little but no gain). + I need to give DG every chance to give you bowtie guys a win :unibrow:

I don't think running it on 91 on the dyno would have led me to different jet sizes. I think one of the rags even did a dyno shootout with gas to prove that fact a few years back.

I'm the rookie in the group of three of us at the dyno, one guy owns the dyno and the other guy is a long time racer, builder and NHRA record holder. Both of them have done hundreds of pulls. They liked the plan and so did I. So that is the plan we went with.

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

I'm sure your guys know very well what they are doing. My point is that it CAN effect jetting and tuning. Why leave that variable on the table? I'd certainly chassis dyno it before you start hammering on it. I had the advantage of being at similar elevation and air to my engine builder. Your air is different anyway.

Greg, you don't win.:D

[GregWeld]

Thanks for the props, I'm really stoked about the outcome.




Thanks DG, good luck with winning that $20 if your is able to run on pump.:rolleyes:

See below grasshopper and follow the conservative path to engine testing.




Save me a lot of typing there GW. :D

The gas was some leaded 110 sold at the local MN race shop.

The old style combustion chamber in these heads requires a lot of timing and 11 to 1 with iron heads is pushing it. The DCR looked a little higher than I'd be excited about running on 91 during tuning.

Max power came with 40 deg of timing. My distributor is locked out and wired to a digital 6 MSD on the dyno. I have a 6AL II that allows you to program in your timing curve that I will run in the car. For street use I'll program a fairly lazy advance curve all in at 3k and retarded 2 deg to 6500 or maybe redline. If vp 100 is available on a track day I'll run it with the distributor locked out to the digital 6 box with no curve or I'll flash in an aggressive curve to 40.

Actual road manners and on track performance isn't alwyas dialed in after a dyno session. I believe it is just getting you in the ballpark and ensuring nothing is going sour in a controlled environment.

AF meters are a good indicator of possible danger but tuning to a number on those sensors isn't the way to go. Tune the motor on the dyno for power. If it is unhappy with the small changes you make the power output will start showing you are headed to trouble before you hurt something.

I have an LM1 that I will use to do some final road tuning on the jetting.

I personally think at my compression level the 110 hurt the hp figures some (some as in very little but no gain). + I need to give DG every chance to give you bowtie guys a win :unibrow:

I don't think running it on 91 on the dyno would have led me to different jet sizes. I think one of the rags even did a dyno shootout with gas to prove that fact a few years back.

I'm the rookie in the group of three of us at the dyno, one guy owns the dyno and the other guy is a long time racer, builder and NHRA record holder. Both of them have done hundreds of pulls. They liked the plan and so did I. So that is the plan we went with.

:cheers:





I'm glad you "get it" ---- some guys just think they know. :rofl:

[GregWeld]

BTW -- That timing figure reminds me of a Mopar.... the old 440's used to LOVE timing! OMG it always scared me to death but they loved it.

If you read a story about drag racing the early hemi's --- it wasn't until big daddy discovered putting like 70*'s into 'em that he could finally make 'em run!

[intocarss]

Thanks for the props, I'm really stoked about the outcome.




Thanks DG, good luck with winning that $20 if your is able to run on pump.:rolleyes:

See below grasshopper and follow the conservative path to engine testing.




Save me a lot of typing there GW. :D

The gas was some leaded 110 sold at the local MN race shop.

The old style combustion chamber in these heads requires a lot of timing and 11 to 1 with iron heads is pushing it. The DCR looked a little higher than I'd be excited about running on 91 during tuning.

Max power came with 40 deg of timing. My distributor is locked out and wired to a digital 6 MSD on the dyno. I have a 6AL II that allows you to program in your timing curve that I will run in the car. For street use I'll program a fairly lazy advance curve all in at 3k and retarded 2 deg to 6500 or maybe redline. If vp 100 is available on a track day I'll run it with the distributor locked out to the digital 6 box with no curve or I'll flash in an aggressive curve to 40.

Actual road manners and on track performance isn't alwyas dialed in after a dyno session. I believe it is just getting you in the ballpark and ensuring nothing is going sour in a controlled environment.

AF meters are a good indicator of possible danger but tuning to a number on those sensors isn't the way to go. Tune the motor on the dyno for power. If it is unhappy with the small changes you make the power output will start showing you are headed to trouble before you hurt something.

I have an LM1 that I will use to do some final road tuning on the jetting.

I personally think at my compression level the 110 hurt the hp figures some (some as in very little but no gain). + I need to give DG every chance to give you bowtie guys a win :unibrow:

I don't think running it on 91 on the dyno would have led me to different jet sizes. I think one of the rags even did a dyno shootout with gas to prove that fact a few years back.

I'm the rookie in the group of three of us at the dyno, one guy owns the dyno and the other guy is a long time racer, builder and NHRA record holder. Both of them have done hundreds of pulls. They liked the plan and so did I. So that is the plan we went with.

:cheers::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I used to be one of those idiots... quite awhile ago. :lol:

Every time we've been to a road course we thru a mix of at least half 100 octane. The one time we did not (really just forgot and didn't drive by our usual gas station on the 5 where we'd get it) the motor blew up. :mad:

Good plan Robski.

My experience tells me that boosted applications have a much greater benefit and opportunity for increased power via octane boost than an NA motor.

[Flash68]

I'm trying to get this back together so I can put a whoopin on ya Rob.

Should have some more info next week. :cheers:

[FETorino]

I'm trying to get this back together so I can put a whoopin on ya Rob.

Should have some more info next week. :cheers:

It's good to set goals just beyond your reach to keep you motivated. :P

[intocarss]

It's good to set goals just beyond your reach to keep you motivated. :P I think he gave up trying to be the boss of his household a long while ago :rofl: :rofl:

[GregWeld]

I think he gave up trying to be the boss of his household a long while ago :rofl: :rofl:



OMG! So.... you HAVE met Susan!


:woot:

[Flash68]

OMG! So.... you HAVE met Susan!


:woot:

Man... you guys shoulda seen me gettin bossed around the kitchen today.. :willy: :lol:

Happy Turkey Day fellerz. Rob won't be thankful he owns a FE motor for very much longer. :D

[Vegas69]

Since this is a pro touring site. How about between 3500 and 7000 or a specific rpm value over peak hp down say 3000-3500 rpm. 2500 rpm is peaky for autocross, speed stop, and street.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Man... you guys shoulda seen me gettin bossed around the kitchen today.. :willy: :lol:


Not really a fair fight though...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Funnies/110628_21.jpg

[FETorino]

Since this is a pro touring site. How about between 3500 and 7000 or a specific rpm value over peak hp down say 3000-3500 rpm. 2500 rpm is peaky for autocross, speed stop, and street.

We ran a couple ease in runs from 3000 to 5 and 5500 but there is no reason to be hard on the dyno and run from 3k to 7200 so we did our tuning runs from 4500 to 7200 so that is the data I have.

Hey I'll piece in the runs from 3000 to 4500 with the rich jetting and 4 deg of timing pulled out of it to the 4500 to 7200 runs. It was still making plenty of motivation down low on the insurance tune.:D

3000 559.6 319.7
3100 567.4 334.9
3200 566.0 344.8
3300 564.3 354.6
3400 577.8 374.1
3500 579.6 386.2
3600 582.3 399.1
3700 587.4 413.8
3800 598.6 433.1
3900 599.8 445.4
4000 604.3 460.3
4100 595.7 465.0
4200 592.4 473.8
4300 591.3 484.1
4400 590.9 495.0
4500 596.5 511.1
SuperFlow

Man... you guys shoulda seen me gettin bossed around the kitchen today.. :willy: :lol:

Better that we didn't:_paranoid

Happy Turkey Day fellerz. Rob won't be thankful he owns a FE motor for very much longer. :D

My Shiat sounded good, put up the #s I wanted and was built with some vintage pieces of NASCAR and LeMans history.:wow: I'll never want a different motor in my Torino.:D

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

Numbers look very good. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Since this is a pro touring site. How about between 3500 and 7000 or a specific rpm value over peak hp down say 3000-3500 rpm. 2500 rpm is peaky for autocross, speed stop, and street.

So you're tryin to give Rob a fightin chance?

[FETorino]

So you're tryin to give Rob a fightin chance?

You sound scared.:eek: You should be.:evil:

Numbers look very good. :thumbsup:

Thanks

The goal was a broad powerband that would have good drivability.

I remember after that first pull looking at the data and seeing 560fts of torque at 3k and thinking $h!t this thing is going to run out of steam early it's a tractor.:lol:

Then it just kept making more hp as we increased rpm.:D

Thinking back I wish we made one run in tune from 3k to 7200 just to see the numbers down low.:(

The only crossover point I have from the first pulls to in tune is at 4500. You can see once we added timing, fixed the vacum leak around the distributor and rejetted the #s at 4500 went up pretty good.

In tune 4500 609.8 522.5 vs precautionary first run ins 4500 596.5 511.1

Now lets see what DG brings......:willy: He sure is talking big right now. He must have given in to running race fuel and slipping the clutch hard below 3500rpm.

:cheers:

[intocarss]

Don't worry Mr.Rob DG has got you handled :willy: :willy:

Hope you had a good T day!!

[FETorino]

Don't worry Mr.Rob DG has got you handled :willy: :willy:

Maybe.... maybe not:unibrow:

Hope you had a good T day!!

Thanks I did. I'm guessing you ate to much as did I. Hope DG doesn't spoil your Christmas.:rofl:

[intocarss]

Maybe.... maybe not:unibrow:



Thanks I did. I'm guessing you ate to much as did I. Hope DG doesn't spoil your Christmas.:rofl:

Ate waaaaaaay to much, but it was worth it!! DG may spoil Christmas but not New Years!!:unibrow:

[FETorino]

Ate waaaaaaay to much, but it was worth it!! DG may spoil Christmas but not New Years!!:unibrow:

Maybe DG will have a dyno sheet by Easter.:rolleyes:

Taking notes DG? :rofl:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/tpetty_zps757fba27.jpg

[Matt@BOS]

Maybe DG will have a dyno sheet by Easter.:rolleyes:

Taking notes DG? :rofl:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/tpetty_zps757fba27.jpg

Is that guy in the picture trying to assemble a list of broken parts to replace?

[intocarss]

Is that guy in the picture trying to assemble a list of broken parts to replace?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Is that guy in the picture trying to assemble a list of broken parts to replace?

That's not a second hand LS motor Matt. :rofl:

That's the most famous Mopar racer in NASCAR taking notes on why he got his a$$ handed to him in 68. TP power:cheers:

[Flash68]

Don't worry. This will be worth the wait (for me). :unibrow: :D :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Don't worry. This will be worth the wait (for me). :unibrow: :D :thumbsup:

Keep throwing $$ at it you have a lot of votes riding on your checkbook :P

:cheers:

[Vegas69]

It's good to see the bromance is still strong. :D

[GregWeld]

Keep throwing $$ at it you have a lot of votes riding on your checkbook :P

:cheers:



What's that going to cost me? :rolleyes:

[Flash68]

Keep throwing $$ at it you have a lot of votes riding on your checkbook :P

:cheers:

Is now a good time to introduce my latest sponsor, Watson Racing? :lol:

It's good to see the bromance is still strong. :D

You gotta have a car, or at least a pile of parts, to join in. :D

What's that going to cost me? :rolleyes:

Hey now... I cut YOU off awhile back! :rofl:

[GregWeld]

TRUE!!!



:rofl:

[FETorino]

Is now a good time to introduce my latest sponsor, Watson Racing? :lol:

Who's sponsoring who :willy: :willy:



What's that going to cost me? :rolleyes:


Hey now... I cut YOU off awhile back! :rofl:

That explains the lack of progress:rofl:

[badmatt]

I hear DG has been having some issues finding a cam big enough to put the hurt on a side oiler...

[FETorino]

I hear DG has been having some issues finding a cam big enough to put the hurt on a side oiler...

Especially since I told him with all this time he has given me I was going to try a revised cam profile in mine to gain some more hp:rofl:

[6D9]

Killer build! Whats the cam specs on the Ford??

[badmatt]

Especially since I told him with all this time he has given me I was going to try a revised cam profile in mine to gain some more hp:rofl:

I have a magicstick I may be able to loan him... and yeah its pretty big..

[FETorino]

Killer build! Whats the cam specs on the Ford??

The cam in there now, the dyno cam, was pretty mild solid roller designed to allow the valvetrain to live for a long time and for the motor to be streetable.:lol:

Bullet roller cam, .660 lift, 258/270 @ .050", 107 LSA, ICL=105:_paranoid

After looking at the dyno graphs a small change that wouldn't effect reliability could net some pretty good gains.

[Flash68]

Especially since I told him with all this time he has given me I was going to try a revised cam profile in mine to gain some more hp:rofl:

My only decision with that is do I wanna beat ya by 50 hp or lay the hurt on ya and go for 100 plus. :D

[intocarss]

I have a magicstick I may be able to loan him... and yeah its pretty big..

Whoa Whoa Whoa :wow:

[FETorino]

My only decision with that is do I wanna beat ya by 50 hp or lay the hurt on ya and go for 100 plus. :D

Bench racing is the easy part. Dyno day is different and track days are another thing. :willy: :willy: I'll just be happy for you if it runs at all :rofl:

[FETorino]

I have a magicstick I may be able to loan him... and yeah its pretty big..Whoa Whoa Whoa :wow:

:wow: keep that thing holstered big guy. :wow:

[Flash68]

Bench racing is the easy part. Dyno day is different and track days are another thing. :willy: :willy: I'll just be happy for you if it runs at all :rofl:

Don't start getting butt hurt just cuz I put that little Q&A in my sig now. :lol:

[FETorino]

Don't start getting butt hurt just cuz I put that little Q&A in my sig now. :lol:

Why would I be mad about that sig? When was the last time an ugly girl looked better because she was hanging out between two supermodels? :rofl:

Now an average looking girl between a couple of homely ones suddenly looks like a supermodel.:unibrow:

I couldn't agree with you more.:D

Oh yea, isn't your motor is still in the machining portion of the build.... :rofl: for the second time.:wow: :wow:

[badmatt]

Nice Sig...........

[Sieg]

Don't start getting butt hurt just cuz I put that little Q&A in my sig now. :lol:

http://media.theiapolis.com/d8/hF4/i6Q/k9/l6Q/wZK/image11.jpg

[6D9]

The cam in there now, the dyno cam, was pretty mild solid roller designed to allow the valvetrain to live for a long time and for the motor to be streetable.:lol:

Bullet roller cam, .660 lift, 258/270 @ .050", 107 LSA, ICL=105:_paranoid

After looking at the dyno graphs a small change that wouldn't effect reliability could net some pretty good gains.

Still a pretty stout stick! Should sound very rowdy. Cant wait to see how it performs in the car...:thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Still a pretty stout stick! Should sound very rowdy. Cant wait to see how it performs in the car...:thumbsup:

Sounds ok :rofl:


Click Below

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/th_GOPR0564-1.jpg (http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/GOPR0564-1.mp4)

[GregWeld]

Sounds ok :rofl:



For a Ford.... Oh wait?!?! That was the exhaust fan.... :wow: :lol:

[GregWeld]

Oh yea, isn't your motor is still in the machining portion of the build.... :rofl: for the second time.:wow: :wow:




That's gotta hurt......

[FETorino]

For a Ford.... Oh wait?!?! That was the exhaust fan.... :wow: :lol:

It's a grocery getter nice and quiet:D

[Flash68]

That's gotta hurt......

Think SAR could build a decent SB2? :D

[badmatt]

Think SAR could build a decent SB2? :D

It's not together yet?

Ive already finished mine... sounds nutty :)

HURRY UP!

[Flash68]

It's not together yet?

Ive already finished mine... sounds nutty :)

HURRY UP!

Not together but should be started.... December was pretty slow due to waiting on a couple key parts before the rest of the work could begin.

If yours is finished, you're fired for holding out on us.

[badmatt]

I have not had it on the dyno as of yet just an old ghetto run up stand. had a dry sump line leak... oil errywhere

Im pulling the intake off next week and tossing it on the bridgeport to drill it for injector bungholio's

[Flash68]

Placed my order for personalized licensed plates.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/showPlateImage.jpg

[6D9]

Placed my order for personalized licensed plates.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/showPlateImage.jpg

LOL...Too funny

[Vegas69]

Placed my order for personalized licensed plates.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/showPlateImage.jpg

Nothing hurts like the truth...:lol: :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Placed my order for personalized licensed plates.

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff245/flash68/showPlateImage.jpg

Shouldn't you have a running engine before you order that plate.:_paranoid You should get it with a small e. Fe would make sense since the only thing that motor has shown the ability to eat so far is it's own internals.:rofl: :rofl:

:cheers:

[badmatt]

Shouldn't you have a running engine before you order that plate.:_paranoid You should get it with a small e. Fe would make sense since the only thing that motor has shown the ability to eat so far is it's own internals.:rofl: :rofl:

:cheers:

That made me giggle...

I booked a dyno day next month :) maybe I'll ride DG's coat tails...

[Flash68]

Shouldn't you have a running engine before you order that plate.:_paranoid You should get it with a small e. Fe would make sense since the only thing that motor has shown the ability to eat so far is it's own internals.:rofl: :rofl:

:cheers:

Just thinking ahead... it will take the state of Calif probably a year or more to get these plates to me....

Look at the big brain on Brad! Fe.... iron..... nice one. :lol:



I booked a dyno day next month :) maybe I'll ride DG's coat tails...

Good but shouldn't you be in the other sandbox with the little guys like Weld's little 331 inch SBF?

Just tryin to help a brutha out :D

[FETorino]

I wanna play!

437sbc, Dart aluminum block , est. 11.5/1, for pump 93
400+ cfm RFD 15* heads
Ported Mopar 5007420 single plane
Holley 950 ultra, may upgrade to a Braswell or Prosystems with road race floats
Solid roller custom spec'd by my builder
Callies lightweight rotating ass, Diamond pistons, Morel lifters, Jesel pro Series, Blah, blah blah

Should be on the dyno in Dec. Hoping for close to 800hp, 650tq


What happened to this entry?:D

[badmatt]

Good but shouldn't you be in the other sandbox with the little guys like Weld's little 331 inch SBF?

Just tryin to help a brutha out :D

How about it Greg?

[GregWeld]

How about it Greg?

I don't pay any attention to guys that don't have cars that are actually built and ready to rumble... That's just background noise.

[badmatt]

I don't pay any attention to guys that don't have cars that are actually built and ready to rumble... That's just background noise.


:( damn.

[GregWeld]

:( damn.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[FETorino]

:( damn.

:( :( double damn

[Flash68]

What happened to this entry?:D

I just emailed him the other day... wondering myself!

I don't pay any attention to guys that don't have cars that are actually built and ready to rumble... That's just background noise.

:lol: haha -- RUDE!

[badmatt]

Dave did you get that email?

[Sieg]

I don't pay any attention to guys that don't have cars that are actually built and ready to rumble... That's just background noise.

Should get a triple damn around 12:30 a.m. PST :D

[chr2002ca]

Another priceless ribbing thread. This is great stuff. Wish I was in on this action as I now have most of my parts lined up and money saved up to build out my ZL1 and will be contacting Jason at Pettis sometime next week, but I'm a little late to this party. Besides, my lower RPM BBC doesn't really fit here. Look forward to seeing Dave's numbers and a continued supply of insults and barbs.

[GregWeld]

Another priceless ribbing thread. This is great stuff. Wish I was in on this action as I now have most of my parts lined up and money saved up to build out my ZL1 and will be contacting Jason at Pettis sometime next week, but I'm a little late to this party. Besides, my lower RPM BBC doesn't really fit here. Look forward to seeing Dave's numbers and a continued supply of insults and barbs.



Fine! F U..... Strong letter to follow!




:D

[FETorino]

Another priceless ribbing thread. This is great stuff. Wish I was in on this action as I now have most of my parts lined up and money saved up to build out my ZL1 and will be contacting Jason at Pettis sometime next week, but I'm a little late to this party. Besides, my lower RPM BBC doesn't really fit here. Look forward to seeing Dave's numbers and a continued supply of insults and barbs.

First I have dave telling me he doesn't have enough CI and now you don't have enough rpm:willy: :willy: :willy: :willy:

For the love of god one of you post a dyno graph of something that runs:rofl:

If you are talking to Pettis next week your motor should be done well ahead of DGs Fe eater.

:cheers:

[badmatt]

Lets face it

DG's motor.....

http://www.aznewage.com/unicor1.jpg

:rofl:

[FETorino]

:omg::willy: :omg::willy: :omg::willy: :omg::willy: :omg:

http://www.aznewage.com/unicor1.jpg



:omg: His motor is being built in North Korea :bunny: :_paranoid

[badmatt]

:omg: His motor is being built in North Korea :bunny: :_paranoid

I hear its being forged and constructed in Narnia.

[FETorino]

I hear its being forged and constructed in Narnia.

Do you think DG believes the mythical high hp SB2 will speak to him?

[badmatt]

Do you think DG believes the mythical high hp SB2 will speak to him?

Mines does so I wouldn't see why not...

I tried speaking to an FE once... I told it I couldn't speak trout...

[FETorino]

Mines does so I wouldn't see why not...

I tried speaking to an FE once... I told it I couldn't speak trout...

Didn't realize you were such a fan of literature

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/trout_zpsa2b434c0.gif

[badmatt]

Didn't realize you were such a fan of literature

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/trout_zpsa2b434c0.gif

By Trout I mean full sh#t faced drunk...

:lol:

[GregWeld]

Mines does so I wouldn't see why not...

I tried speaking to an FE once... I told it I couldn't speak trout...




I took some SLOW Fe once -- was bound up for a week...

[badmatt]

I took some SLO Fe once -- was bound up for a week...

Lotta' info in that post there Greg... Lotta' info.

[intocarss]

I took some SLO Fe once -- was bound up for a week...

SO IT WAS YOU that broke Ron's sewer line!!

[FETorino]

By Trout I mean full sh#t faced drunk...

:lol:

Opps:_paranoid my Badmatt

[badmatt]

Opps:_paranoid my Badmatt

icwutudidtharr...

[FETorino]

icwutudidtharr...

csabyyou

[intocarss]

F or EverwishingItwasasfastasaChevy :P

[FETorino]

F or EverwishingItwasasfastasaChevy :P

:rofl: :lol: :rofl:

:wow: More like

F or Everwishingsomethingelselseonthispostran:P

[badmatt]

ForEveralone

[FETorino]

FIrst Everytime

[badmatt]

FIrst Everytime

Is that what you tell the wife?

teehee... I KEED I KEED.

[intocarss]

:rofl: :lol: :rofl:

:wow: More like

F or Everwishingsomethingelselseonthispostran:P

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[FETorino]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yea poor DG trying to find parts for such an old motor. :rolleyes:

It must be hard:rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:

[intocarss]

Yea poor DG trying to find parts for such an old motor. :rolleyes:

It must be hard:rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:

ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY

[Flash68]

ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY

Apparently an FE can be. :_paranoid

[FETorino]

ROME WASN'T BUILT IN A DAY

Apparently an FE can be. :_paranoid

Geeze at this rate maybe I'll build one of these while I'm waiting:lol:

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq265/Keithc8/Cammer%20Engine/100_0644.jpg

[intocarss]

WHOA

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq265/Keithc8/Cammer%20Engine/100_0644.jpg

[Sieg]

Dave - Are you still looking for antique furniture?
http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=457671&postcount=382

:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

Geeze at this rate maybe I'll build one of these while I'm waiting:lol:

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq265/Keithc8/Cammer%20Engine/100_0644.jpg

It's never a good idea to tease people with a Cammer. :mad:



:lol:

[FETorino]

^^^ Army of one ^^^

:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

^^^ Army of one ^^^

:cheers:

:thumbsup:

Like most FE guys, a Cammer's on my to do list too.:cool:³

[GregWeld]

What I saw was a big ol' pile of money just waiting to catch fire....




:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Vegas69]

I'm starting to think this isn't a fair fight. You know, with technology changing so drastically from year to year. Maybe a handicap system for every month that goes by between dyno runs. :lol:

[GregWeld]

I'm starting to think this isn't a fair fight. You know, with technology changing so drastically from year to year. Maybe a handicap system for every month that goes by between dyno runs. :lol:




"technology" ---- where'd you see that in either of these dyno sores??


I had to go back and re-read the entire thread to see if I missed something! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[FETorino]

I'm starting to think this isn't a fair fight. You know, with technology changing so drastically from year to year. Maybe a handicap system for every month that goes by between dyno runs. :lol:

"technology" ---- where'd you see that in either of these dyno sores??


I had to go back and re-read the entire thread to see if I missed something! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

My NASCAR motors heads were designed in 1966. The intake was from 71 but it was a 69 design. I don't think anyone has mass produced a new design intake since then. I believe DGs SB2s debut was in 89? I think he already had the "technology" jump on me.:rofl:

He only needs to make 702hp to make 11 of you happy. I think my TP will prove 12 of you right with better avg numbers because that is what it was built to do, be drivable.:cool: I am building a PT car.

DG should I post my dyno graphs again? You have to all the way back to Nov posts to find them. I wouldn't want to add the extra work to you since it seems you are having a hard time getting things done.:rofl:

[badmatt]

My NASCAR motors heads were designed in 1966. The intake was from 71 but it was a 69 design. I don't think anyone has mass produced a new design intake since then. I believe DGs SB2s debut was in 89? I think he already had the "technology" jump on me.:rofl:

He only needs to make 702hp to make 11 of you happy. I think my TP will prove 12 of you right with better avg numbers because that is what it was built to do, be drivable.:cool: I am building a PT car.

DG should I post my dyno graphs again? You have to all the way back to Nov posts to find them. I wouldn't want to add the extra work to you since it seems you are having a hard time getting things done.:rofl:

SB2 was developed in 98 but who's counting :)

Im starting to like these funky FE's

[GregWeld]

I was finally able to get a SPY SHOT of DG's SB2 in skunkworks development! I think the poor old FE motor might be in a run for the money!




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad33/gregweld/Fun%20Fotos/file-14.jpg

[fleetus macmullitz]

:wow:

No mas!

U_gmZn9YlXs

[FETorino]

DGs main caps just came in

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/DGmaincap_zps8c384b47.jpg

[Ron in SoCal]

DGs main caps just came in

Don't you have a roadtrip story to finish?? :getout:

[Flash68]

DGs main caps just came in

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/DGmaincap_zps8c384b47.jpg

:lol:

I wouldn't doubt that!

:bang:

[intocarss]

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[FETorino]

I'm not sure what I like more the fact that that SB2 won't idle or the fact something lets loose at the end of the run and the whole room gets smoked out. That's all Bowtie there:lmao:

Now in NASCAR when you crash your primary car you go to the back of the pack with your backup.

I think Chris will step in for DG to defend the Bowtie honor with his build. At least it should run someday.:D


Shortblock part numbers, specs, and labor for those who like details:

GM ZL1 Block - new version of block from GM, 12370850
Pistons - 4.280 bore - SRP Forged, 26cc dome, 212142-8
Callies Compstar Crank - 4.250 stroke, internal balance, 2-piece seal, 2.2" rod journ, BBP425-CS
Callies H-beam Rods - 6.385 inch length, H-beam, ARP 2000 fasteners included, CSB6385ES3B9AH
Piston Rings - JE, Plasma-moly, 4.280 in. Bore, 1/16 in. 1/16 in., 3/16 in, S100S8-42805
Cam - Gen VI step-nose custom grind, billet steel core with cast gear, Comp Cams custom
Timing Chain Set - Comp Cams double roller, billet, key adjustable, Gen VI, 7101
Cam retention plate and screws - for Gen VI cam in Gen IV block (2) 14093637, 10168501
Timing Chain cover - Milodon 1-piece aluminum, Gen IV, 14855
Timing Chain cover seal and gaskets - Mr. Gasket, MRG-17, MRG-4794G
Harmonic Balancer/Dampener - ATI (internal balance), 917060
Harmonic Balance Bolt - ARP, 135-2501
Road Racing Oil Pan - Milodon 31555
Dipstick - Milodon flex stainless, 22010, Streetside
Oil pump pickup - Milodon, 18465
Oil Pump - Melling High Volume M77HV
Oil Pump shaft - ARP, 135-7901
Oil Pan gasket - Mr. Gasket one piece MRG-6663G
Cam bearings: Dart coated
Valley screen kit: Pettis BBC-multi
Oil filter pad plug material: aluminum
Oil filter adapter: GMPP
Windage tray: Milodon
Windage tray mount spacer material / bolts
Oil pump stud: ARP
Rear main seal: Fel-Pro viton
Timing pointer: ATI billet

Specs, compression ratio:
Bore 4.28
Stroke 4.25
Rod Length 6.385
Pistom Dome CC -26
Head CC 119
Estimated Compression Ratio 10.44

Labor (Incomplele list. Some things will be added on as we go.)
ROTATING ASSEMBLY
hone pin bores: pistons <size adjust>
hone pin bores: rods <size adjust>
balance rotating assembly: internal
detail piston domes

BLOCK
align hone mains w/studs <size adjust>
surface / index / set deck heights
bore & chamfer cylinders
radius cylinder bottoms
performance finish hone cylinders w/plate & mains
machine / install valley screen kit: bolt in multi type
machine block for rot assy: first setup & cut
machine cooling system holes in decks
detail casting
measure lifter bores, hone

ASSEMBLY
install / fit standard slider cam bearings
machine timing cover for pointer fit
fab oil filter pad plugs & install
machine for countersink bolt in oil pump
fab windage tray mount spacers
hone damper hub
blueprint / assemble: performance short block

[Flash68]

Smoke? What smoke? Look again Junior. :peepwall:

Looks pretty stout to me Jer. Thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

And Chris might have his together before mine indeed.... my pile on the cart at the machine shop is not as big as the pile on his living room floor. :lol:

[FETorino]

Jerry you got me. :action-smiley-027:

I bet DG wishes swapping motors was that easy.:lmao:

Don't make me do it Flash

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/EFI_zpseef19a54.jpg

[chr2002ca]

And Chris might have his together before mine indeed.... my pile on the cart at the machine shop is not as big as the pile on his living room floor. :lol:

My pile is now on the cart at Pettis also, so we're tied. :) My caps might be straighter though. Maybe I'm in the lead. :poke: Hopefully it's back to me by end of February as Jason mentioned. It's just a short block assembly and all the parts are there so hopefully no surprises. Then another month or so to have it in the car and running. I plan to take a week off from work in March to make some decent progress on it. Got a lot of sh_t to hook up and measure with the new EFI system and new manual transmission setup. Once it's running and drivable, we'll strap to a chassis dyno and do some fine tuning and generate some numbers. Then we can argue on the conversion numbers to match up with your engine dyno numbers.

So how the hell did I get drafted into this dyno thread? That's messed up. :lol:

[chr2002ca]

I think Chris will step in for DG to defend the Bowtie honor with his build. At least it should run someday.:D

Nope, you 2 should continue to duke it out. The ribbing is priceless.

[FETorino]

I think Chris will step in for DG to defend the Bowtie honor with his build. At least it should run someday.:D

Nope, you 2 should continue to duke it out. The ribbing is priceless.

Well I guess that says it all..... :lmao: it is a Chevy .

Maybe you and DG can add your #s together:idea:

:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

So how the hell did I get drafted into this dyno thread? That's messed up. :lol:

Nope, you 2 should continue to duke it out. The ribbing is priceless.

Actually I'd like to make a motion that adds you to the competition.

I'm kinda liking the 3-some Ford sandwich theme. :D

There's a motion on the floor, do we have a 2nd? :popcorn2:

[intocarss]

Smoke? What smoke? Look again Junior. :peepwall:





I think it was just wishful thinking on Robs part And it was idling just fine :smiley_smack:

[FETorino]

I think it was just wishful thinking on Robs part And it was idling just fine :smiley_smack:

Jer is that the story you're sticking to? :warning:

T07SfvekxeA

[intocarss]

YUP :thumbsup:

[chr2002ca]

Well I guess that says it all..... :lmao: it is a Chevy .

Maybe you and DG can add your #s together:idea:

:popcorn2:

:lol: Mines a street motor built to deal with our crappy CA gas and be fairly maintenance free and run cool. You guys are running higher compression, solid roller cams, electric water pumps, etc. I don't fit in this comparison. I thought about 700HP, but that extra HP wasn't going to do me a darn bit of good with 275 street tires on the back, so I dialed back my build a little bit to make it a little more street friendly and something I'd probably enjoy a little more.

I know you're disappointed because you're standing in the ring with your gloves on and the other guy hasn't come out of the locker room yet, but he'll show up eventually. :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Got it. Todd proved those were only good for mid 600s if you wanted them to stay together.:guns:

:popcorn2:

[Sieg]

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:popcorn2:





:peepwall:

[FETorino]

Did you do the tune on that one Scott? :relax:

:popcorn2:

[Flash68]

Got it. Todd proved those were only good for mid 600s if you wanted them to stay together.:guns:

:popcorn2:

Well he did have $10 heads on a $5000 block. Heads make power, not a block.

:peepwall:

[Sieg]

Did you do the tune on that one Scott? :relax:

:popcorn2:

:thankyou: for asking, no, didn't do this one either..........

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.......and I'm real glad I wasn't the cameraman.

:peepwall:

[chr2002ca]

Got it. Todd proved those were only good for mid 600s if you wanted them to stay together.:guns:

:popcorn2:

Some people need 700HP, some don't. Check the URL. This is Lat-g, not Dynos Today. I'll see you on the track in my street car. :guns: Then we're drinking some beers and loser is buying.:cheers: Dave, don't bring that sidekick of yours to the beer drinking part unless he brings his own keg.:lol:

[FETorino]

:thankyou: for asking, no, didn't do this one either..........

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.......and I'm real glad I wasn't the cameraman.

:peepwall:

:headscratch: Huh :headscratch: They both look like your work :headscratch: :lmao:

Some people need 700HP, some don't. Check the URL. This is Lat-g, not Dynos Today. I'll see you on the track in my street car. :guns: Then we're drinking some beers and loser is buying.:cheers: Dave, don't bring that sidekick of yours to the beer drinking part unless he brings his own keg.:lol:

Everyone has enough hp, till they realize they want more :D

650 and streetable was my target.:mock:

I am doing a couple mods to try and make mine corner. :rolleyes:

Dave you can bring that sidekick I still owe him a couple beers from OUSCI :thumbsup:

[Sieg]

:headscratch: Huh :headscratch: They both look like your work :headscratch: :lmao:

:D

Bu-bu-but I don't work on Fords, their engineering combined with my infamous abilities = epic fail. :sieg:

[FETorino]

:D

Bu-bu-but I don't work on Fords, their engineering combined with my infamous abilities = epic fail. :sieg:

:D Once you learn a little more we'll let you work on stuff that's worth something :lmao:

:popcorn2:

[intocarss]

:thankyou: for asking, no, didn't do this one either..........

vq5cjNhN_po

.......and I'm real glad I wasn't the cameraman.

:peepwall: Flywheel let go on that one

[Flash68]

Some people need 700HP, some don't. Check the URL. This is Lat-g, not Dynos Today. I'll see you on the track in my street car. :guns: Then we're drinking some beers and loser is buying.:cheers: Dave, don't bring that sidekick of yours to the beer drinking part unless he brings his own keg.:lol:

:lol: Rob is a little fixated on the big dyno numbers isn't he. :poke:

I am gonna steal a quote from Rob @ NoLimit here:


I've heard all of the crying about - race car - purpose built - exotic - bla bla bla. Give it up. First of all, all hot rods are purpose built, for what ever purpose the builder/owner wanted.

:thumbsup: :guns:


Rich Bermea + Beer = No more Beer.

[Sieg]

:D Once you learn a little more we'll let you work on stuff that's worth something :lmao:

:popcorn2:

Please don't tell me you've still got that chick-magnet Pinto wagon you drove in high school. :sieg:

[FETorino]

Please don't tell me you've still got that chick-magnet Pinto wagon you drove in high school. :sieg:

So it was the car :headscratch:

All these decades I thought it was me :rolleyes:

[intocarss]

:popcorn2:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/allison_yarborough.jpg

[Vegas69]

Mine would've made 710 hp with great heads, 270 cam, single plane, and a bigger carb. Oh ya, the extra 9 cubes would have helped also. I'm sure the torque would've went from 641 to 670 as well. :action-smiley-027: :D

She's still running great. The new owner just updated me on Sunday.

P.S. On pump gas.

[Flash68]

Mine would've made 710 hp with great heads, 270 cam, single plane, and a bigger carb. Oh ya, the extra 9 cubes would have helped also. I'm sure the torque would've went from 641 to 670 as well. :action-smiley-027: :D

She's still running great. The new owner just updated me on Sunday.

P.S. On pump gas.

It should made 750 with those things you listed. :rules:

Buyer making any changes yet, small or large?

[FETorino]

Mine would've made 710 hp with great heads, 270 cam, single plane, and a bigger carb. Oh ya, the extra 9 cubes would have helped also. I'm sure the torque would've went from 641 to 670 as well. :action-smiley-027: :D

She's still running great. The new owner just updated me on Sunday.

P.S. On pump gas.

I feel your pain mine was held back by those stock 45 year old Ford Iron head castings also.

I guess we'll have to live with our actual #s until we build something else, won't we.:lmao:

[fleetus macmullitz]

:popcorn2:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/allison_yarborough.jpg

"Cale Yarborough, right, fought Donnie, far left, and Bobby Allison in 1979.

Cale Yarborough, muscular and tenacious, quit the Clemson (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/clemson_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org) football team to race stock cars.

Apparently, people do not ask him about his titles in 1976, ’77 and ’78 as much as they ask him to recall the second race of the 1979 Winston Cup season, the Daytona 500 on Feb. 18. Yarborough helped make Nascar nationally famous that day.

Richard Petty won the race, but Yarborough got into a fistfight with Bobby and Donnie Allison in the infield after he and Donnie Allison thumped into each other several times while racing on the backstretch at Daytona International Speedway.

It was the first Nascar race to be televised in its entirety to a national audience, and the fistfight, not the race itself, caused a commotion. More people started tuning in to races on Sundays to see what these good ol’ boys might do to each other next.

“I’ve told that story several million times, and I’ll do it again,” Yarborough said in a teleconference last week. “I had the fastest car and had it set up to where I could slingshot him on the last lap. That may have been a mistake on my part.”

After a pause, he said: “I should maybe have gone on and passed him, go on and won the race handily. I was trying to make a show out of it. Unfortunately, it really came out to be a show. It was one of the best things ever happened in Nascar.”

Yarborough said that he made up with the Allisons the next day and that they had been friends ever since. Bobby Allison, who won the championship in 1983, visited Yarborough at his farm recently, he said. It is still probably the most famous racing fight."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/sports/othersports/26nascar.html?_r=0

[Vegas69]

I didn't want to rub it in that deep, but what the hell. :lol:

He hasn't changed one thing. He loves it...... I had emailed him due to a buyer that wanted his contact info to buy the car. He told me that he wouldn't sell it for any amount of money.

I keep telling him injection and tail pipes and that car is DONE. He did say that he's starting to get the bug to take it to a couple events come spring with his Son. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I feel your pain mine was held back by those stock 45 year old Ford Iron head castings also.

I guess we'll have to live with our actual #s until we build something else, won't we.:lmao:

Some of us back up our big mouths. :guns: :lmao: Time will tell in your case.

Only a Ford owner would put cast iron heads on an aluminum block.....

[Flash68]

Some of us back up our big mouths. :guns: :lmao: Time will tell in your case.

:computer: :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I keep telling him injection and tail pipes and that car is DONE. He did say that he's starting to get the bug to take it to a couple events come spring with his Son. :thumbsup:

I'd add hyd roller to that list and it's a cooler version of the LS. :D

[Vegas69]

Agreed, Chris' engine fits his personality perfectly. They like to tinker and adjusting valves is a good father/son project.

[FETorino]

Some of us back up our big mouths. :guns: :lmao: Time will tell in your case.

Only a Ford owner would put cast iron heads on an aluminum block.....

:mock: Well it's a dyno thread so as soon as you actually build something better feel free to post. :thumbsup:

:cheers:

[Sieg]

So it was the car :headscratch:

All these decades I thought it was me :rolleyes:

http://hooniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/1975-pinto-squire-wagon-1-720x540.jpg

Bring back some memories :headscratch:

[FETorino]

Bring back some memories :headscratch:

:lmao::lol: :lmao: :lmao: You :lmao: you :lmao: :lol: :lmao: Win :lmao:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/pinot_zpse629547c.jpg

:cheers:

[FETorino]

I have a dumb idea about running my motor on a different fuel.

I know it is a dumb idea because it is DG's idea. :bitchslap:

Really something Dave came up with?

Yes I am running with one of his ideas :lostmarbles:

Despite knowing better I am going back to the dyno with some different pump gas the first week of March. :lostmarbles:

There is the smallest of chances DG may actually dyno his motor that same month. I doubt it but anything is possible.:mock:

[Flash68]

I don't blame ya for wanting to close the gap a little bit. I'd hate to get beat by a 100+ in this contest too. :D

:peepwall:

[FETorino]

I don't blame ya for wanting to close the gap a little bit. I'd hate to get beat by a 100+ in this contest too. :D

:peepwall:

Oh your machinist bill will easily beat me by $100+ before that thing ever runs .... no chance of me closing that gap. :popcorn2:

[Flash68]

Is this thread dead or what?

I heard that big cube FE was going for a "do over" since someone wasn't happy with the numbers first time around.

:peepwall:

[FETorino]

:( Is this thread dead or what?

I heard that big cube FE was going for a "do over" since someone wasn't happy with the numbers first time around.

:peepwall:


DG wouldn't you be the one with the "do over" motor :popcorn2:

My FE is going back on the dyno tomorrow. The starter on the dyno took a crap last time so I didn't get to fully test the 4150 carb that was built for the motor. Then I lost my mind and bought into some knuckleheads alternative fuel idea.

So tomorrow it goes on the dyno for a baseline run with my 1050 then some tuning runs with the 4150 on gas.

Then a few runs with the new carb on E85. I couldn't make it for this session.:(

[intocarss]

:popcorn2:

[Flash68]

I'll just need one dyno to put this dinosaur in its place. :smiley_smack:

Are we gonna get video of round 2?

[FETorino]

I'll just need one dyno to put this dinosaur in its place. :smiley_smack:

Are we gonna get video of round 2?

When will that be 2014? :bitchslap:
:mock: :lmao: :lmao:

Don't think I'll get any video from Blair.

[intocarss]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/dynojoke_zpsde6c48be.jpg

[Flash68]

:lol:

[Ron in SoCal]

:tictoc:

Zzzzzzz....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Jerdawg FTW! :lol:


I too believe in the Chung.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/ConnieMaury-475x600_zpsab2154ad.jpg

[FETorino]

I'm sorry were you guys talking. I couldn't hear you with the dyno running in the background. :popcorn2:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/mazola_zps45cd9e16.jpg

[Flash68]

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/mazola_zps45cd9e16.jpg

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[fleetus macmullitz]

pBWcRqPesws

:lol:

Classic³!

[intocarss]

I'm sorry were you guys talking. I couldn't hear you with the dyno running in the background. :popcorn2:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/mazola_zps45cd9e16.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/real3/5bfce40e-0481-3bee-8304-5267faa06545_zps90927a36.jpg

[FETorino]

Corn it's not just for breakfast anymore

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/Corn-Im-in-Everything3_zps13ed2291.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/platte-valley-corn-whiskey-7_zpsc475b152.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/e85pump_zpsf4127120.jpg

[intocarss]

:hello: 44ujv4HHz4A:hello:

[fleetus macmullitz]

:hello: 44ujv4HHz4A:hello:

After watching just a little of that vid I can safely say...

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:hello:

:lol:

[Vegas69]

What's holding up the new dyno numbers from the man with two first names?:lol:

[FETorino]

What's holding up the new dyno numbers from the man with two first names?:lol:

He didn't go to Pettis :D

[Flash68]

What's holding up the new dyno numbers from the man with two first names?:lol:

:lol: :smiley_smack:

We're gettin there.... my guy doesn't have cat or muscle pull excuses... just things like 1600 hp motors in the queue ahead of me. :poke:

Short block assembled today.
Heads and cam installed by end of week.

The next (and hopefully last) big project on this deal is machining and clearancing of my Hendricks pan. It is designed for a 3.25" Nascar stroke crank with tiny counterweights -- not the 4" stroke I got with beefy counterweights. I told him to just cut the sucker and make it work. I can't get a deeper pan because I'll run into subframe/Xmember issues.

Dropped off my E85 carb, fuel log/reg, oil lines, dizzy, vacuum regulator & CV nickel plated fuel pump. Almost everything needed to get on the dyno. Just need my oil tank and it's ready to go.

So the pan is the big question mark now as far as timing.... hoping that doesn't give Rob the time now so he can change his pistons to up the compression and then run again just to try to close the gap that is coming to a dyno near you.....

:hello:

[Vegas69]

I was talking about Blair Patrick but what the hell..... :lol:

Sounds good man! You'll be breaking some hearts soon.

[Flash68]

I was talking about Blair Patrick but what the hell..... :lol:

.

Oops. :tiptoe:

[FETorino]

I was talking about Blair Patrick but what the hell..... :lol:

Sounds good man! You'll be breaking some hearts soon.

Well my hillbilly friend down south only has some printouts from the runs no electronic files. I'll scan the printouts when I get them.

I couldn't make it to the run so all I have is what he wrote me.

Ran a baseline on the gas carbs first then switched to E85.

Highlights

10 inches of vacuum, and the good gas, and made 641 TQ at 4900, and 700.7 HP at 6400. Made a bunch of 690 somethings across the top on hp, and a bunch of 630+ torque numbers from around 4000 up to 5200. I did not touch it from the last pull at Jay's, other than to relash the valves, add the plate under the plenum, and seal the vacuum.

The 850 gas carb made 635 TQ and 687 HP. It was a tad fat. I didn't want to waste too much time, but we figured a jet change would have put it right there on torque, and maybe 5 hp down up top versus the Dominator. It was definitely smoother, and would race better.

The E85 was smaller than the gas 4150..........1.590 venturi vs. 1.500. It was better than the Dom below 4000 rpm,and equaled it up to 5800. Peak torque was 642 at 4900, and power peaked at 698 at 6300. It was 10 better on torque at 3500 rpm. We couldn't pull it any lower without doing a bunch of re-adjusting on the brake, but we could tell the small carb E85 is MUCH better below 3K.

[intocarss]

Well my hillbilly friend down south only has some printouts from the runs no electronic files. I'll scan the printouts when I get them.

I couldn't make it to the run so all I have is what he wrote me.

Ran a baseline on the gas carbs first then switched to E85.

Highlights

10 inches of vacuum, and the good gas, and made 641 TQ at 4900, and 700.7 HP at 6400. Made a bunch of 690 somethings across the top on hp, and a bunch of 630+ torque numbers from around 4000 up to 5200. I did not touch it from the last pull at Jay's, other than to relash the valves, add the plate under the plenum, and seal the vacuum.

The 850 gas carb made 635 TQ and 687 HP. It was a tad fat. I didn't want to waste too much time, but we figured a jet change would have put it right there on torque, and maybe 5 hp down up top versus the Dominator. It was definitely smoother, and would race better.

The E85 was smaller than the gas 4150..........1.590 venturi vs. 1.500. It was better than the Dom below 4000 rpm,and equaled it up to 5800. Peak torque was 642 at 4900, and power peaked at 698 at 6300. It was 10 better on torque at 3500 rpm. We couldn't pull it any lower without doing a bunch of re-adjusting on the brake, but we could tell the small carb E85 is MUCH better below 3K. WHAT no fricken video??:bang:

Looken good Robby

[FETorino]

DG your motor is all done and on the dyno right?

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/IMG_1673_zps806017a0.jpg

[intocarss]

:hairpullout: :popcorn2:

[Flash68]

Almost there... should be ready by the 5th Tuesday this month.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Almost there... should be ready by the 5th Tuesday this month.

Good to hear. I've got that date marked on my calender along with Tuesday Weld's birthday (no relation obviously :peepwall: )
which is on the 4th Tuesday of August this year. #dynodaysarcasm


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/the-cincinnati-kid-weld_zpsa5918d0c.jpg

[intocarss]

GvPbtUOfQ54

[Flash68]

C-Rob ... you ready to sub in for me?

Looks like I will be a month before I bring the noise over here. :getout:

I guess it ain't bad for you Rob. Your numbers beat zero until I actually get some numbers eh?

:bitchslap:

[Flash68]

soon....

[FETorino]

soon....

Define "soon" :popcorn2:

[Ron in SoCal]

Define your profile pic

[Flash68]

Define "soon" :popcorn2:

I'll find out more tmrw. :underchair:

Define your profile pic

I'll plead guilty there. It was a chat Rob and I had where we were comparing wheelbase and track width.

:mock:

:poke:

:D