LS1 in 69 Camaro chugging

[69MyWay]

My Camaro just started acting strange - looking for ideas.

2000 LS1 with SLP Stage III head/cam and 36# injectors - TCI steet fighter and 4L60E trans through a 3.5 Ford 9" - headers, x pipe - and tune by Speed Inc.

If you accelerate up to speed (hard or easy) to the point it goes into 4th and lock up (around 60 mph) - then throttle back - it starts bucking and chugging like a tractor. It stays locked up and just thumps like a manual shift car in too high of a gear trying to drive too slow.

If you throttle down it will go.

No check light - the misfire codes and other sensitivities have been turned off in the PCM tune due to the cam...etc.

My guess is a bad coil or plug - but not sure.

Fuel pressure is good.

WOT, tip in, acceleration - all good.

Cruise in lock up - bad.


Thoughts?

[70rs]

Fouled plugs?
Are you running cats in the exhaust? If so, maybe getting choked up inside? (kinda doubt that one)
02 and temp sensors ok? TPS sensor calibrated? Full voltage to ECM?
Any grounds work loose? Throttle body get any junk in it?
Just some ideas. I am a total rookie with the LSx motors. However, my truck has a 5.3 and it was doing similar things and it was the plugs and wires.
Good luck.

[69MyWay]

No cats - but I tend to agree with you on the plugs and or wires - and or coils.

They have age but little overall miles.

I think I'll start by pulling and reading the plugs - and go from there.

[AM.MSCL]

Have you checked you trans fluid? color and level

[69MyWay]

Have you checked you trans fluid? color and level

Yes, and while I won't rule anything out it seems very much engine as it litteraly bucks and is load/pull related in the motor. I am not detecting any attempt to lock/unlock - or shift up and down in the trans.

[70rs]

No cats - but I tend to agree with you on the plugs and or wires - and or coils.

They have age but little overall miles.

I think I'll start by pulling and reading the plugs - and go from there.

My stock original plugs and wires had about 180k and 10 years on them. All on the original factory parts from 2000. I was amazed they went that far.

[Rybar]

I chased an issue with mine for a few months earlier this year, ended up needing new O2 sensors. Maybe Try new ones out.

[69MyWay]

Put some new NGKs in there today. It chugged once coming out of my neighborhood, but cleaned up and ran perfect. The check engine light came on though - still running strong just didn't have time to put the scanner on it to see what is popping.

[70rs]

What did the old plugs look like?

Im glad it runs better now.:thumbsup:

[Rybar]

Good stuff, I also put in new NGK's and it made a world of difference.

[69MyWay]

What did the old plugs look like?

Im glad it runs better now.:thumbsup:

#7 was black and wet - #2, #6 not far behind.

All of them were pretty wet and none of them looked super healthy.

Also, this car gets several short runs (8 mile or so round trips) from my house and doesn't always get really warmed up. I'm sure that isn't good either for the life of the plugs.

[70rs]

#7 was black and wet - #2, #6 not far behind.

All of them were pretty wet and none of them looked super healthy.

Also, this car gets several short runs (8 mile or so round trips) from my house and doesn't always get really warmed up. I'm sure that isn't good either for the life of the plugs.

Yeah, that cant help much huh? Take it out and blow the crud out once in a while. See if you get more life from this set of plugs.
Glad to hear its running better.

[Rybar]

Also, this car gets several short runs (8 mile or so round trips) from my house and doesn't always get really warmed up. I'm sure that isn't good either for the life of the plugs.

LOL sounds like the use I get out of mine in the last year. Having twin 11 month olds makes the Camaro a nice boat anchor for a while....

[Z06vette]

Could possibly have an injector issue- bleeding down and flooding the cylinder at low speeds/light fuel requirements. Under hard throttle it may be able to use some of the extra fuel. Let us know what you find.
Scott

[69MyWay]

I have gotten so tied up again with life and pushing the 68 bird out that I haven't yet pulled the codes - and it is sitting right next to the bird...:willy:

I'll pull it soon and see what is posting in the ECM.

I agree I could have a wacky injector. #7 was really wet.

[69MyWay]

found code P0131 for the left bank O2 sensor low voltage.

I've attached the diagnostic for this.... By the way, I replaced both O2 sensors with new GM OEM sensors last May.
I have the diagnostic for this via PDF, but it is a bit too large t post.

[70rs]

Just to be sure......you pulled the bananas out of the exhaust I paid your son to put there right?:D

[Rybar]

Check your wiring for your O2's, if it's close to the exhaust it could have melted some wires.

[69MyWay]

Just to be sure......you pulled the bananas out of the exhaust I paid your son to put there right?:D


DOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[69MyWay]

Check your wiring for your O2's, if it's close to the exhaust it could have melted some wires.

I'll get it on the lift and check that out.

I cleared the code and ran a bit - light didn't come back on...but who knows :willy:

[69MyWay]

Got under there and checked it all out - wires look good.

I had a spare GM O2 sensor. Swapped it in.

Drove it to work today - ran perfect.

[Rybar]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[70rs]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yeah, what he said^^^^:D