Mustang GT500 vs Camaro SS [Archive]

CreepinDeth

03-23-2010, 02:39 AM

Get the GT500, it will crush the new Camaro in performance

Not quite. :rofl:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0907_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_chevrolet_camaro_c omparison/index.html

But in regards to collectivity, the Shelby is obviously going to be better.
Personally you should consider a Roush Stage III before you get a GT500.
The Mustang is a fat pig. It's not that great in performance.
It gets its ass whipped by every Chevy in it's price bracket.

If you want to see how the overpriced $86,000 GT500KR does, watch the $9,000 cheaper Z06 beat the snot out of that too.

dj3

03-23-2010, 05:17 AM

Not quite. :rofl:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0907_2010_ford_shelby_gt500_chevrolet_camaro_c omparison/index.html

But in regards to collectivity, the Shelby is obviously going to be better.
Personally you should consider a Roush Stage III before you get a GT500.
The Mustang is a fat pig. It's not that great in performance.
It gets its ass whipped by every Chevy in it's price bracket.

If you want to see how the overpriced $86,000 GT500KR does, watch the $9,000 cheaper Z06 beat the snot out of that too.

Hes not talking about buying a new Shelby and certainly not the overpriced KR. An 2007 Shelby GT500 can be bought in the low 30,s with low miles on it as compared to a 40K Camaro. Its comparing new to used, but with a blower swap the GT500 can put down 750HP to the wheels and that's something your not doing in the new Camaro.

So for under 40K you can get a 2007 GT500 that will runs 10's and you dont think that's a great bang for the buck. The Roush cant even touch those kind of numbers, but it will go through the turns better.

The Camaro is also a big fat pig.

BBC69Camaro

03-23-2010, 09:54 AM

An 2007 Shelby GT500 can be bought in the low 30,s with low miles on it as compared to a 40K Camaro. Its comparing new to used, but with a blower swap the GT500 can put down 750HP to the wheels and that's something your not doing in the new Camaro.

Comparing new to used it kind of silly. There are also now bolt on supercharger kits for the 2010 Camaro, so comparing a used Mustang with a blower to a new Camaro w/o is certainly not an apples to apples comparison.

And when the Z/28 comes out the gap will just get wider.

The Camaro is also a big fat pig.

Well it still runs circles around a Mustang in terms of braking and cornering, so its less fat :D

dj3

03-23-2010, 10:06 AM

Comparing new to used it kind of silly. There are also now bolt on supercharger kits for the 2010 Camaro, so comparing a used Mustang with a blower to a new Camaro w/o is certainly not an apples to apples comparison.

And when the Z/28 comes out the gap will just get wider.

Well it still runs circles around a Mustang in terms of braking and cornering, so its less fat :D

I agree its not fair to compare new to used, but that is the choices the op is looking at. My point with the GT500 is that its fully forged and capable of much more power than the new camaro even with a blower on it. I'm sure the Z28 will changes things, but given the current choices I would take a slightly used GT500 that has more straight line potential over the Camaro and will hold its value better. :)

Vegas69

03-23-2010, 10:40 AM

That new camaro is so butt ugly I get disgusted the 5 times a day I run across one.:lol:

214Chevy

03-23-2010, 10:51 AM

70rs

03-23-2010, 02:45 PM

That new camaro is so butt ugly I get disgusted the 5 times a day I run across one.:lol:

:rofl: Todd you sure have a way with words! :rofl:

Steve1968LS2

03-23-2010, 03:10 PM

So let me get this straigt.. the GT500 costs the same as a Camaro SS if you get a USED GT500

:rofl:

nothing like a apples to radish comparison... ;)

Mkelcy

03-23-2010, 03:17 PM

nothing like a apples to radish
comparison... ;)

They're both red, right? :thumbsup:

DrewskiSS

03-23-2010, 03:44 PM

So let me get this straigt.. the GT500 costs the same as a Camaro SS if you get a USED GT500

:rofl:

nothing like a apples to radish comparison... ;)

the gt500's are 30 grand that have around 2000 miles on them. thats basically new.

it seems like the stang is the best bang for the buck. sure the z/28 will change everything but who knows when it will come out and how much it will cost. def not $30,000 ;)

astross89

03-23-2010, 03:56 PM

not an expert, but more apples to apples would be a new 30,000 camaro to a new 30,000 mustang. who would win that?

BBC69Camaro

03-23-2010, 04:35 PM

the gt500's are 30 grand that have around 2000 miles on them. thats basically new.

it seems like the stang is the best bang for the buck. sure the z/28 will change everything but who knows when it will come out and how much it will cost. def not $30,000 ;)

You can get a stripped *new* SS(1) Camaro for around $32,000.00

I'm sure there will be some deals to be had on used SS Camaros as well within a year. Also keep in mind 2000 miles is on a 2007 GT500.

CreepinDeth

03-24-2010, 01:24 AM

The Camaro is also a big fat pig.

Apparently you're not aware that the GT500 is heavier. Like stated before too, the Camaro out handles it too.
The GT500 weighs as much as midsize 4x4 SUV's. Probably why Ford is scared to use Nurburgring to test their cars. :D

Want a REAL GOOD LAUGH ??? Watch the $82,000 GT500KR get beat to crap by the $76,000 Z06.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIPBP-9TUnQ I'm sure the 800lb weight difference played a HUGE factor.

not an expert, but more apples to apples would be a new 30,000 camaro to a new 30,000 mustang. who would win that?
If it's a 2010, the Camaro SS will beat the crap out of the Mustang GT.
If it's a 2011 , that's a much better performance comparison. Mustang finally got some good powerplants.

However as you can see in the Motortrend video I posted, the $31,000 SS was only .1 seconds slower then the $55,000 Mustang GT500.

Either way, IMHO the Camaro is the better bang for the buck brand new.
If you want used, the GT500 will be faster barely in a straight line.....but not by a whole lot.

I do however think Ford hit a homerun in 2010's body style and the 2011 powertrains finally.
I think the 2007's are not as attractive at all , but that's just me. I think they are a big waste of money.

So let me get this straigt.. the GT500 costs the same as a Camaro SS if you get a USED GT500

:rofl:

nothing like a apples to radish comparison... ;)

I was amused as well.

Ace....wassup buddy:question: What's been going on?:lateral: Have you put that rear end in yet?:D

Nah brother, still sitting here.

I have my 78 Camaro I have been completely rewiring with an AAW Hwy 22 kit.
I'm putting the interior in this week and I HOPE to have the 442 in my garage
by this weekend or next getting that rear end in. :thumbsup:

67Fastback

03-24-2010, 05:56 AM

Steve1968LS2

03-24-2010, 07:07 AM

I love how people like to compare the "KR" just to bloat the price, when the base GT500 is basically the same car but cheaper. The KR gets like 40hp - big deal. Compare the GT500 to the same Z06 and the results will be almost identical to the KR - now your talking about a $47ishk GT500 vs. a $76k Z06. Who's complaining about apples to oranges??

Motortrend = lol

How about we deal with published facts when it comes to weight.

Camaro
3750 / 1705 - LT automatic
3741 / 1700 - LT manual
3769 / 1713 - LS automatic
3780 / 1718 - LS manual
3913 / 1779 - SS automatic
3860 / 1755 - SS manual

GT500
3820 (This is the iron-block version, 2011 gets aluminum)

Except the stock Z06 would destroy the GT500 on any road track.. How did we get to comparing to a Vette???

For now the GT500 is 3820... it's really doesn't matter what it might weigh in the future.

What if I bought a used Z06 to compare to the new GT500?? :rofl:

markjanos

03-24-2010, 07:46 AM

A friend of mine just bought a 2010 gt500 for $42000. white with blue stripes .very fast

JohnnyGMachine

03-24-2010, 01:20 PM

Well it still runs circles around a Mustang in terms of braking and cornering, so its less fat :D[/QUOTE]

The new Camaro isn't running circles around a GT500. Just because it has IRS doesn't automatically make it handle better than the Mustang with it's solid rear axle. Currently the new 2010+ Mustang GT (not the GT500) is superior to the new Camaro SS in both handling AND braking. Again this is just the GT we're talking about. I think the GT500s are comparable if not exactly the same as the SS since the GT500s are heavy too. Matter of fact according to Road and Track test Data the 2010 Mustang GT scores better in the slalom than both the GT500 and the SS. Be interesting to see how much better the GT500 is in 2011 when it debuts with it's all aluminum block!

Road and Track test data:

2010 Camaro SS
Braking from 60 mph, ft: 121 ft.
Braking from 80 mph, ft: 212 ft.
Skidpad, g: 0.89 g
Slalom, mph: 66.4 mph

2010 Mustang GT
Braking from 60 mph, ft: 115 ft.
Braking from 80 mph, ft: 202 ft.
Skidpad, g: 0.93 g
Slalom, mph: 69.1 mph

I don't have numbers on the 2007 GT500 handy but it's very close to the SS. I believe the 2010 GT500 is improved over the 2007 though.
Nice thing about the supercharged cammer Mustangs from Ford you're a pulley and a tune away from adding some serious power to the wheels to give you an edge atleast in a straight line. I think the '07 GT500 and SS Camaro would be comparably close in performance and it will just ultimately come down to driving both and figuring out what you like better for YOU.

SLO_Z28

03-24-2010, 01:37 PM

They both handle worse than say...a stock 1970 camaro with better tires, or any c5 or c6. Driving either is almost like driving a truck.

I will say that im suprised as hell that a 100+ horsepower difference only equates too 5mph at the strip : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_C9zanLcpXY&feature=fvw
Thats a pretty terrible finish for a car thats much better on paper.

DrewskiSS

03-24-2010, 01:43 PM

I love how people like to compare the "KR" just to bloat the price, when the base GT500 is basically the same car but cheaper. The KR gets like 40hp - big deal. Compare the GT500 to the same Z06 and the results will be almost identical to the KR - now your talking about a $47ishk GT500 vs. a $76k Z06. Who's complaining about apples to oranges??

Motortrend = lol

How about we deal with published facts when it comes to weight.

Camaro
3750 / 1705 - LT automatic
3741 / 1700 - LT manual
3769 / 1713 - LS automatic
3780 / 1718 - LS manual
3913 / 1779 - SS automatic
3860 / 1755 - SS manual

GT500
3820 (This is the iron-block version, 2011 gets aluminum)

:cheers: the KR was created more for collecting purposes not becuase the gt500 was too slow or did not compete with Corvettes.

im not on either side here i love the SS with a passion, but again, for the money- is the SS worth it right now? i wouldnt be surprised if those things lose 50% of their value in 4-5 years. the gt500's barely depreciate..

BBC69Camaro

03-24-2010, 02:41 PM

The new Camaro isn't running circles around a GT500. Just because it has IRS doesn't automatically make it handle better than the Mustang with it's solid rear axle. Currently the new 2010+ Mustang GT (not the GT500) is superior to the new Camaro SS in both handling AND braking. Again this is just the GT we're talking about. I think the GT500s are comparable if not exactly the same as the SS since the GT500s are heavy too. Matter of fact according to Road and Track test Data the 2010 Mustang GT scores better in the slalom than both the GT500 and the SS. Be interesting to see how much better the GT500 is in 2011 when it debuts with it's all aluminum block!

Road and Track test data:

2010 Camaro SS
Braking from 60 mph, ft: 121 ft.
Braking from 80 mph, ft: 212 ft.
Skidpad, g: 0.89 g
Slalom, mph: 66.4 mph

2010 Mustang GT
Braking from 60 mph, ft: 115 ft.
Braking from 80 mph, ft: 202 ft.
Skidpad, g: 0.93 g
Slalom, mph: 69.1 mph

Every magazine I have read that has done a comparison so far has handed the lead to the Camaro in almost every category.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4309423.html

Popular Mechanics:
2010 Camaro SS (3900lbs) - ~$35,000
0-60 4.9
1/4 13.0 @111mph
60-0 107.8ft

2010 Mustang GT (3500lbs) - $35,626
0-60 5.6
1/4 13.9 @102mph
60-0 110.8ft

Car and Driver ratings:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q1/2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss_v8-short_take_road_test
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g

And I think the skid pad will only get better as people figure out how to drive the Camaro *harder*.

So yes the Camaro is less fat than the Mustang despite weighing more and costing less.

DrewskiSS

03-24-2010, 03:36 PM

Every magazine I have read that has done a comparison so far has handed the lead to the Camaro in almost every category.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4309423.html

Popular Mechanics:
2010 Camaro SS (3900lbs) - ~$35,000
0-60 4.9
1/4 13.0 @111mph
60-0 107.8ft

2010 Mustang GT (3500lbs) - $35,626
0-60 5.6
1/4 13.9 @102mph
60-0 110.8ft

Car and Driver ratings:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/09q1/2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss_v8-short_take_road_test
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.0 sec @ 111 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.92 g

And I think the skid pad will only get better as people figure out how to drive the Camaro *harder*.

So yes the Camaro is less fat than the Mustang despite weighing more and costing less.

thats the gt though we're talking about the gt500 ;)

JKnight

03-24-2010, 04:00 PM

This is the epitome of bench racing. Go build something, all of you!

CreepinDeth

03-24-2010, 07:11 PM

im not on either side here i love the SS with a passion, but again, for the money- is the SS worth it right now? i wouldnt be surprised if those things lose 50% of their value in 4-5 years. the gt500's barely depreciate..

Just to comment on this part.
If the GT500 held it's value so well, you wouldn't be getting a 3 year old one for almost half it's sticker price plus dealer markup prices we all know they added.
I've seen the Roush 427R with only 435hp going for around $50K at some dealers. Just something to consider.

The OP was claiming $30,000 for a 3 year old GT500 with only 2,000 on the clock......I think that's really bad depreciation on a "collector car" personally.
I'm sure the Camaro will depreciate as well.

Except the stock Z06 would destroy the GT500 on any road track.. How did we get to comparing to a Vette???

True, and how is by the price range of Chevy VS Ford performance.
Ford fanatics complained you can't pit a Mustang GT up against a 2010 SS because it was obviously lacking.
So they pit it against a GT500 , which as tested was nearly $20,000 more. It's an unfair comparison......yet close results.
If anything you should compare PRICE for performance. That's where the KR vs the Z06 came into play.

Can't quite compare an $86,000 Mustang to a ~$32,000 Camaro SS. :unibrow:
2011 will be a good year to pit the regular pony cars up against each other once again.
Ford finally got some good powerplants for their GT and base Mustangs.

70rs

03-24-2010, 07:26 PM

This is the epitome of bench racing. Go build something, all of you!

:rofl: :rofl: :beathorse

Just buy SOMETHING and drive the piss out of it! :D

DrewskiSS

03-24-2010, 07:41 PM

Just to comment on this part.
If the GT500 held it's value so well, you wouldn't be getting a 3 year old one for almost half it's sticker price plus dealer markup prices we all know they added.
I've seen the Roush 427R with only 435hp going for around $50K at some dealers. Just something to consider.

The OP was claiming $30,000 for a 3 year old GT500 with only 2,000 on the clock......I think that's really bad depreciation on a "collector car" personally.
I'm sure the Camaro will depreciate as well.

True, and how is by the price range of Chevy VS Ford performance.
Ford fanatics complained you can't pit a Mustang GT up against a 2010 SS because it was obviously lacking.
So they pit it against a GT500 , which as tested was nearly $20,000 more. It's an unfair comparison......yet close results.
If anything you should compare PRICE for performance. That's where the KR vs the Z06 came into play.

Can't quite compare an $86,000 Mustang to a ~$32,000 Camaro SS. :unibrow:
2011 will be a good year to pit the regular pony cars up against each other once again.
Ford finally got some good powerplants for their GT and base Mustangs.

half the sticker price? the msrp on a 2007-08 GT500 is not $86000, its $41,000. the GT500KR is $86,000. the kr is the one more for collectors IMO. so therefore I'd say that the gt500 does hold its value pretty good and its not a comparison of an $86,000 car to a $32,000 car.

on another note, i am really excited to see the new pony cars get put up against eachother :willy:

lil427z

03-24-2010, 07:53 PM

:beathorse :beathorse :beathorse .
rick k

JohnnyGMachine

03-24-2010, 10:37 PM

Ultimately just buy what you like...really what it comes down to. Just go drive 'em - then compare. Best way to go. Then make up your mind.

Vegas69

03-24-2010, 11:11 PM

Since they are as common as bikinis in the strip clubs around here, I ran into a couple this afternoon. A black one was coming the opposite way and gave me the thumbs up. I gave him the thumbs down. :rofl: Then I saw a mustang and challenger after that. My favorite to date is when I pulled up to a stop light and was a two lanes over from a new Challenger. The wife looks over and looks back and her head snaps back at me. Holy cow, a real muscle car. We took off and he go on it. I laughed and then I got on mine. They tucked their tail between their legs and headed home. I love it. As you can tell, I'm not into every tom dick and harry thinking they have a muscle car.

dj3

03-25-2010, 06:58 AM

In summary 69 Camaro>Z06>GT500>2010 Camaro :P

DrewskiSS

03-25-2010, 04:34 PM

im goin with a 1st/2nd gen camaro :lol:

GregWeld

03-25-2010, 05:43 PM

I hadn't read this thread - but it's the same argument at any "meeting" of car guys.

Personally - I think the GT500/KR LOOKS JUST BAD ASS --- and then I shake my head and think... what a waste of money 'cause they're just pretenders... a base Corvette will spank it all day long.

I agree with Todd... in another 6 months you'll be so sick of seeing the new Camaro that you won't want one anymore. It'll be the new rental car special.

If I was going to gamble real money and try to pick what will be worth $$ in 30 years... I'd pick the GT500KR just because NOBODY is buying them... so just like the classic GT500KR's - they'll be collectible. MAYBE. 'Cause they also might be the new version of the 82 "collector" Vette.... "everybody" bought one and stuck it away - so there's a zillion low millage (butt ugly) 82 Vettes at every auction.

I took my truck in for service today - the Ford dealer must have had 25 Mustangs on his lot - and across the street the Chevy dealer had 6 or 7 new Camaros... The Chrysler lot was closed up and has "consolidated" with the Dodge dealer down the street (shoulda happened 40 years ago). The Ford dealer is also now the Mercury/Lincoln dealer... and you want to see a bunch of ORDINARY overpriced cars just take a look at that line... :rofl:

Buy whatever you can afford and enjoy the heck out of it.

Better yet - buy an older pickup truck so you can have a parts getter for the classic PT car you're going to build... :rofl: