1965 falcon

[Bryce]

A few parts showed up...

Dont worry the grade 8 bolts are for mock up only. I will be replacing those with alloy steel shoulder bolts later.

The high misalignment rodends are for the outer tierods so that I can eliminate bumpsteer.

I also marked the outer shock tower supports for clearance.

[Bryce]

I dialed out almost all of the bumpsteer today. I have zero toe change in droop and .090 toe in during compression. This may help during cornering and ackermann. I run .060 toe out right now at ride height which reduces my ackermann. So during a hard turn the outside would compress and toe in slightly, increasing my ackermann. I will try this setting out on March 2nd at the SCCA event. If I dont like it I will remove one shim and move the outer tie rod up, this will reduce the toe in during bump. I made the spacers tonight and will pick up alloy steel shoulder bolt on monday and bolt eveything together and snap some pictures. I spaced the rodend down so that the center is about 2inches below the bottom of the spindle.

[FETorino]

I dialed out almost all of the bumpsteer today. I have zero toe change in droop and .090 toe in during compression. This may help during cornering and ackermann. I run .060 toe out right now at ride height which reduces my ackermann. So during a hard turn the outside would compress and toe in slightly, increasing my ackermann. I will try this setting out on March 2nd at the SCCA event. If I dont like it I will remove one shim and move the outer tie rod up, this will reduce the toe in during bump. I made the spacers tonight and will pick up alloy steel shoulder bolt on monday and bolt eveything together and snap some pictures. I spaced the rodend down so that the center is about 2inches below the bottom of the spindle.

You do a better job with pictures than me so looking forward to those.

Sounds like progress. I know you have some more plans to deal with body roll spill the beans.:D

[Bryce]

You do a better job with pictures than me so looking forward to those.

Sounds like progress. I know you have some more plans to deal with body roll spill the beans.:D

I am going from 300 lb spring to 400 lb spring in the front. (remember I have a 86% motion ratio instead of 50% like camaros.) This is easier for me right now than adding a bigger sway bar. But a splined sway bar is in my plans for this year. I currently run a solid 1.125. I will end up with a 1.25 hollow bar with aluminum arms.

[Bryce]

updates to the TDL:

The trans cooler needs a fan: DONE
Remove local trans temp gauge and move to the dash: DONE
Install 400 lbs/in springs: SPRINGS RECEIVED
Install gauge into the engine oil pan to monitor temp: DONE
Notch and reweld the outer shock tower supports. NOTCHING COMPLETE
Install a breather catch can: 50% COMPLETE
Dial in the steering and remove as much bumpsteer as possible. I ordered high misalignment rod ends. The mustang with a similar set up is down to .015" toe change over 6" of droop. 90% COMPLETE

[Matt@BOS]

I dialed out almost all of the bumpsteer today. I have zero toe change in droop and .090 toe in during compression. This may help during cornering and ackermann. I run .060 toe out right now at ride height which reduces my ackermann. So during a hard turn the outside would compress and toe in slightly, increasing my ackermann. I will try this setting out on March 2nd at the SCCA event. If I dont like it I will remove one shim and move the outer tie rod up, this will reduce the toe in during bump. I made the spacers tonight and will pick up alloy steel shoulder bolt on monday and bolt eveything together and snap some pictures. I spaced the rodend down so that the center is about 2inches below the bottom of the spindle.

Hey Bryce, can you explain a little further for us non engineering inclinded individuals? I'm curious about the toe out setting. Do you have to run the .060 toe out at ride height to keep from getting excessive toe in under compression when cornering?

[Bryce]

Hey Bryce, can you explain a little further for us non engineering inclinded individuals? I'm curious about the toe out setting. Do you have to run the .060 toe out at ride height to keep from getting excessive toe in under compression when cornering?

Matt,

I know you get this, so when rob or greg ask you to post a question just tell them to do it themselves... LOL.

I run toe out ar ride height in order to get faster reacting turn in. Since the inside tire is all ready pointed in the direction of the turn. Since I have no toe change under suspension droop the inside toe angle during the turn will not change. Since the outside tire during a turn has less angle than the inside tire (definition of ackerman) the static toe out reduces ackerman. During a turn the outside suspension is under compression, my current bumpsteer setup will induce a little toe in under compression; that should increase ackerman. In theory that would cancel the reduced ackerman due to the static toe out I like to run.

Did that make sense?

[GrabberGT]

Matt,

I know you get this, so when rob or greg ask you to post a question just tell them to do it themselves... LOL.

I run toe out ar ride height in order to get faster reacting turn in. Since the inside tire is all ready pointed in the direction of the turn. Since I have no toe change under suspension droop the inside toe angle during the turn will not change. Since the outside tire during a turn has less angle than the inside tire (definition of ackerman) the static toe out reduces ackerman. During a turn the outside suspension is under compression, my current bumpsteer setup will induce a little toe in under compression; that should increase ackerman. In theory that would cancel the reduced ackerman due to the static toe out I like to run.

Did that make sense?

Doesnt that make it a little twitchy on the hwy?

[Tomswheels]

Matt,

I know you get this, so when rob or greg ask you to post a question just tell them to do it themselves... LOL.

I run toe out ar ride height in order to get faster reacting turn in. Since the inside tire is all ready pointed in the direction of the turn. Since I have no toe change under suspension droop the inside toe angle during the turn will not change. Since the outside tire during a turn has less angle than the inside tire (definition of ackerman) the static toe out reduces ackerman. During a turn the outside suspension is under compression, my current bumpsteer setup will induce a little toe in under compression; that should increase ackerman. In theory that would cancel the reduced ackerman due to the static toe out I like to run.

Did that make sense?

Instead of explaining it over and over,you could just SHOW us at Adams! :confused59:

[Bryce]

Doesnt that make it a little twitchy on the hwy?

nope, not even with 8:1 steering.

[Bryce]

Instead of explaining it over and over,you could just SHOW us at Adams! :confused59:

haha! thanks Tom. I will show you at the Q. I will be out saturday and maybe sunday. good luck at RTTC and Adams.

[DTM Racing]

Instead of explaining it over and over,you could just SHOW us at Adams! :confused59:

Now, now, Tom. That would require Bryce to actually DRIVE his car. And we all know that only happens twice a year. He's already blown half his quota at the practice earlier this year.

[Tomswheels]

Now, now, Tom. That would require Bryce to actually DRIVE his car. And we all know that only happens twice a year. He's already blown half his quota at the practice earlier this year.

Good point, but look who's talking... Haven't seen you in a while :mock:

[DTM Racing]

Good point, but look who's talking... Haven't seen you in a while :mock:

Sorry...Been swamped...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Bajadak/DTM%20Racing/DTMRacingShopPic_zps477a0aa2.jpg

[Bryce]

Now, now, Tom. That would require Bryce to actually DRIVE his car. And we all know that only happens twice a year. He's already blown half his quota at the practice earlier this year.

I love you too Dan. HAHA. Well I signed up for March 2nd practice, I guess Im done for the year if I make it out there.

Good point, but look who's talking... Haven't seen you in a while :mock:

Dan is too busy living the dream and building cars for a living. I wish my car time didnt come at 9pm to 12am, after a 12 our work day and putting my daughter to sleep. I bet I woud be more productive if I walked past my car all day long.

Sorry...Been swamped...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Bajadak/DTM%20Racing/DTMRacingShopPic_zps477a0aa2.jpg

Great picture.

[Tomswheels]

Sorry...Been swamped...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/Bajadak/DTM%20Racing/DTMRacingShopPic_zps477a0aa2.jpg

:confused59: Looks like what I call "Good Swamped". Will you be making it to either RTTC or Adams in any of those sweet Mopars?

[DTM Racing]

:confused59: Looks like what I call "Good Swamped". Will you be making it to either RTTC or Adams in any of those sweet Mopars?
I'll be heading out for San Diego tomorrow morning with the Challenger for RTTC. After that we have Scottsdale, Mopars at the Strip and Del Mar. After that we have to start packing up to head to PA in June! Fun Fun! The 71 Charger is 99.999% done (2 defective hold off valves for the front brakes in a row) and should be making some rounds as well. The owner is really excited to finally enjoy and drive his car after 2 years of being garage art. The LeMans is being set up for straight line work and should be a regular at FireBird in th ecoming months.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/DTM-Racing/305030966187707

[Bryce]

I'll be heading out for San Diego tomorrow morning with the Challenger for RTTC. After that we have Scottsdale, Mopars at the Strip and Del Mar. After that we have to start packing up to head to PA in June! Fun Fun! The 71 Charger is 99.999% done (2 defective hold off valves for the front brakes in a row) and should be making some rounds as well. The owner is really excited to finally enjoy and drive his car after 2 years of being garage art. The LeMans is being set up for straight line work and should be a regular at FireBird in th ecoming months.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/DTM-Racing/305030966187707

Dan will you be in SD this weekend. Stop by my place.

[Tomswheels]

I wish my car time didnt come at 9pm to 12am, after a 12 our work day and putting my daughter to sleep. I bet I woud be more productive if I walked past my car all day long.


I hear ya Bryce work and the two kids and one wife really eat into car time. They do add some good times too though, enjoy them while they're young!

[Bryce]

I hear ya Bryce work and the two kids and one wife really eat into car time. They do add some good times too though, enjoy them while they're young!

My daughter will be my driver one day! She is much lighter than me.

[Bryce]

Upgrading the tie rods again. The attached picture shows the evolution of tie rods on the falcon. The latest setup is 1.8 pounds lighter per side.

[Bryce]

Finalized the steering today.

I drilled out the center link with a 12.5mm cobalt drill bit. That opened up the tapered hole to .492". A 1/2" shoulder bolt measures .496". So I honed the hole with a drum sander to .495 and tapped teh shoulder bolts in. That produced a really nice tight fit.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/512a937b9d0dc/tn_full_02242013269jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/712929)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/512a937e3d049/tn_full_02242013270jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/712930)

I painted the center link with my usual hammertone gold. It matches gold irridate and is the toughest spray paint I have seen out of a can.

Here is the stack up of washer on the new inner tierod. I can now adjust my ackerman. I still need to develope a good way to measure it. SO I matched stock.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/512a937882283/tn_full_02242013268jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/712928)
I used the regular chromoly rod ends on the inner pivot, 5/8-18 thread and 1/2" hole in the ball.

Here is a picture of the outer tie rod spacers. I added washers to adjust bumpsteer if needed in the future.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/512a937364aa8/tn_full_02242013267jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/712927)
The larger OD stainless washers are being used as a safety washer incase I ever have a rod end failure.
The outer tie rod uses a high misalignment chromoly rod end with 60 degrees of articulation. It has 5/8-18 thread with a 1/2 hole in the ball.

And finally a installed view at full droop:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/512a93810b831/tn_full_02242013271jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/712931)

Time for a test drive!

[coolwelder62]

Very nice.I love the self built stuff you come up with.:thumbsup:

[Bryce]

I guess I am not racing today. The alternator died last night. I guess that is better than at the autocross.

[DTM Racing]

I know you are really good at the math with this kind of stuff, but isn't that a lot of torque that can be applied to the steering arm at the spindle? Seems like a lot of stuff without support.

[Bryce]

Dan,

I will post up some math a little later.

[Bryce]

Well, I made it out sunday for another successful autocross.

3 guys from the PT world made it out there. Jay Bittle from JBA brought out two mustangs. It was a good turn out on sunday. My upgrades were better. The trans stayed cool and being able to monitor the engine oil temp was nice. The stiffer springs helped on the longer sweepers by reducing body roll. I think a bigger sway bar is next. The falken tires were not good cold. That is my only complaint.

Saturday had some crazy dips and a few cars did not survive. I am glad I didnt make it out on saturday.

I will post some videos tonight. I got 7 runs.

[Bryce]

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[Bryce]

Time for pictures:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/513ac648ce591/tn_full_03012013277jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/713536)

because RaceCar! yep, thats my SCCA number.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/513ac64c43e64/tn_full_03072013280jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/713537)

All empty and clean... time for a change.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/513ac64f36ebf/tn_full_03072013281jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/713538)

and my new office:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/513ac6548a10b/tn_full_03072013282jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/713539)

[waynieZ]

Nice set up on those replacements for the tie rod ends, and a well stocked office..

[Flash68]

Bryce, love the garage setup. Simple, effective, and has the requisite stuff. :thumbsup:

[Bryce]

Nice set up on those replacements for the tie rod ends, and a well stocked office..

Bryce, love the garage setup. Simple, effective, and has the requisite stuff. :thumbsup:

Thanks guys.



Here are the results from the last SCCA event: http://www.sdr-scca.com/solo2/result...-2_fin-web.htm

Here are some links to the pictures:

http://lateapexphoto.com/p783852798/h57a45474#h57a45474
http://lateapexphoto.com/p783852798/h57a43cc4#h57a43cc4
http://lateapexphoto.com/p783852798/h57a44c54#h57a44c54
http://lateapexphoto.com/p783852798/h57a446dc#h57a446dc

I need a bigger sway bar to reduce body roll. I think there is some daylight on the inside tire acclerating out of a turn.

[Bryce]

Found out I have some slop in my low friction ball joints. Too much slop for me, time for upgrades. I will be going to a sperical bering instead and have some roll center and camber gain adjustments. But this change will put out for GG del mar.

[GrabberGT]

... I will be going to a spherical bearing instead and have some roll center and camber gain adjustments...

I cant wait to see the tech write-up for this one. Sounds interesting.

[Bryce]

I cant wait to see the tech write-up for this one. Sounds interesting.

I think I like engineering and building more than I like driving. HAHA. Race four laps then take the car down for a month or more and do upgrades.

[GrabberGT]

I think I like engineering and building more than I like driving. HAHA. Race four laps then take the car down for a month or more and do upgrades.

LOL... I here ya... I just finished getting the car back on the road, had a great Goodguys weekend, and now have a list 12 items long with 7 sub-items to be completed before Goodguys comes back in October. :bang:

[Bryce]

Everyone likes car part porn!

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/514e700e754a1/tn_full_2013-03-23-024jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/714777)

And that should stiffen things up a little.

Now I am trying to get this ride height:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/514e700b2bc28/tn_full_2013-03-19-020jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/714776)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/514e7008360bf/tn_full_2013-03-19-019jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/714775)

[Bryce]

I have been sick for the last week, but I was still able to order parts.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515d9fde49fd1/tn_full_2013-04-02-037jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715491)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515d9fdca5d43/tn_full_2013-04-02-036jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715490)

These are aluminum hosing ball joints that will thread into my upper and lower control arms. This should give me a better, more precise pivot point. It also allows me to adjust my suspension. Add or remove shims from the LCA and raise/lower the car. Add or remove shims from the UCA and adjust camber gain. Also I can adjust roll center at the same time.

[GrabberGT]

I have been sick for the last week, but I was still able to order parts.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515d9fde49fd1/tn_full_2013-04-02-037jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715491)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515d9fdca5d43/tn_full_2013-04-02-036jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715490)

These are aluminum hosing ball joints that will thread into my upper and lower control arms. This should give me a better, more precise pivot point. It also allows me to adjust my suspension. Add or remove shims from the LCA and raise/lower the car. Add or remove shims from the UCA and adjust camber gain. Also I can adjust roll center at the same time.

You engineers come up with the coolest stuff. Now where did you find that at?

[Bryce]

You engineers come up with the coolest stuff. Now where did you find that at?

Coleman Racing

[Bryce]

Mocked up the sway bar with a very quick and efficient way to locate the bar and arms. looks hokey in pictures though.

Ride heigtht:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515eda8ae2e5c/tn_full_ride_heightjpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715608)

Bump:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515eda892891a/tn_full_full_bumpjpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715607)

Droop:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/515eda876ce85/tn_full_full-droopjpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/715606)

[craig510]

Bryce,

I have been looking into a similar swaybar setup. Ground clearance is one of my goals. My plan is to hole saw a couple of holes through the frame and mount bar just in front of the crank pulley. The arms will be above the control arms. This will also allow me to move my strut rod mounts inboard further so I can get some additional steering angle with the 17x9s.

[GrabberGT]

I wimped out about going either of these routes. Thru the frame - I figured by the time you get the bar far enough forward to clear the pulley, the arms would be 2' long and in the way of the tires as the higher you go, the more tire you have to clear. Going below as Bryce is doing put my end-links to close to the ground. Im currently waiting for delivery of a custom bent adjustable piece from Addco.

[Bryce]

Bryce,

I have been looking into a similar swaybar setup. Ground clearance is one of my goals. My plan is to hole saw a couple of holes through the frame and mount bar just in front of the crank pulley. The arms will be above the control arms. This will also allow me to move my strut rod mounts inboard further so I can get some additional steering angle with the 17x9s.

Yes, the sway bar is low, but will not be a ground clearance issue. ITs the same height as the pan, the canton road race pan.

I thought about drilling a hole in the frame, I dont really like the idea. However since I have moved the radiator back 3" I do not have room between the radiator and crank pulley. So the only logical place on my car was as previously shown. I really havent cut up my car that much, basically still bolt on suspension. I want to keep it that way.

[Bryce]

I wimped out about going either of these routes. Thru the frame - I figured by the time you get the bar far enough forward to clear the pulley, the arms would be 2' long and in the way of the tires as the higher you go, the more tire you have to clear. Going below as Bryce is doing put my end-links to close to the ground. Im currently waiting for delivery of a custom bent adjustable piece from Addco.

My endlinks will be closer to the ground, but not much closer than the rotor. so it shouldn't cause any problems, the arms are inboard of the strut rods so I wont lose any turning radius.

I cant wait to see your custom Addco bar. I talked to them at SEMA and they were not that interested.

[GrabberGT]

My endlinks will be closer to the ground, but not much closer than the rotor. so it shouldn't cause any problems, the arms are inboard of the strut rods so I wont lose any turning radius.

I cant wait to see your custom Addco bar. I talked to them at SEMA and they were not that interested.

I cant wait to see my bar either. Its been a month already and we are still waiting.

[GrabberGT]

These are aluminum hosing ball joints that will thread into my upper and lower control arms. This should give me a better, more precise pivot point. It also allows me to adjust my suspension. Add or remove shims from the LCA and raise/lower the car. Add or remove shims from the UCA and adjust camber gain. Also I can adjust roll center at the same time.

Alright. :idea: My brain finally caught up to how the roll center adjustment is possible with these. Thats pretty cool. Any idea what the range of adjustment is for your car?

[Bryce]

Alright. :idea: My brain finally caught up to how the roll center adjustment is possible with these. Thats pretty cool. Any idea what the range of adjustment is for your car?

I think I have 3/4" adjustment upper and lower. So I havent done any geometry work too see the effect on RC or camber gain.

[Bryce]

A couple more pics as I slowly put the sway bar in:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/5166b82ff327a/tn_full_2013-04-10-046jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/716895)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/5166b831c9442/tn_full_2013-04-10-047jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/716896)

[Bryce]

a few more progress pics:

Sway bar mounts and new ball joints.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/516c23fa0ffd6/tn_full_2013-04-14-056jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717191)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/516c23f4b48f7/tn_full_2013-04-14-052jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717188)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/516c23f6af8c3/tn_full_2013-04-14-053jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717189)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/516c23f86ed9d/tn_full_2013-04-14-055jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717190)

[coolwelder62]

Very cool.:welder:

[Bryce]

Very cool.:welder:

Thanks scott

a couple more mock pictures:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/516ff6d0e3437/tn_full_2013-04-17-058jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717389)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/516ff6d2b46a0/tn_full_2013-04-17-059jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717390)

The brackets are finished, just need to order some aluminum rod ends and cut/drill the arms and my car will be back together.

[Tomswheels]

Bryce will it ever race again? :confused59:

[Bryce]

Bryce will it ever race again? :confused59:

I am trying to get it done by the 28th.

[Bryce]

The sway bar is in the car finally.

I cut the arms down.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/517688cd58575/tn_full_2013-04-20-062jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717937)

My dad drilled them out to save some weight.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/517688cf411d8/tn_full_2013-04-22-065jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717938)

This sway bar is twice the stiffness of the old bar and 3 pounds lighter.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/517688d11877b/tn_full_2013-04-22-066jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717939)

I am not sure if those rod ends will make it on the final install. I am getting some bind at full bump and full droop.

Now ever suspension and steering attachment point front and rear is a spherical bearing.

A little bit more clearancing of the outer shock tower support and the car will be going back together. SCCA this Sunday is still my target.

[coolwelder62]

The sway bar is in the car finally.

I cut the arms down.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/517688cd58575/tn_full_2013-04-20-062jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717937)

My dad drilled them out to save some weight.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/517688cf411d8/tn_full_2013-04-22-065jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717938)

This sway bar is twice the stiffness of the old bar and 3 pounds lighter.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/517688d11877b/tn_full_2013-04-22-066jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/717939)

I am not sure if those rod ends will make it on the final install. I am getting some bind at full bump and full droop.

Now ever suspension and steering attachment point front and rear is a spherical bearing.

A little bit more clearancing of the outer shock tower support and the car will be going back together. SCCA this Sunday is still my target.Balitic fabrication has some cool concial spacers that will help with the binding.

[Bryce]

Balitic fabrication has some cool concial spacers that will help with the binding.

I placed a McMaster order last night for some high misalignment rod ends. Those should work just fine. Plus I wanted them this week and did not want to wait for a new company to order from.

Thanks for the supplier info. I have seen them on the web before.

[GrabberGT]

Ballistic fabrication has some cool conical spacers that will help with the binding.

You might could use a little more thread engagement as well. Especially if you start using that inner adjustment hole on the arm.

[Bryce]

You might could use a little more thread engagement as well. Especially if you start using that inner adjustment hole on the arm.

That was a test fit trying to get less bind. The longer was not much better. My plan is to quick release pin the arm attachment on and not adjust the link length.

[Bryce]

Update:

New motor mounts.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/519bea21572b5/tn_full_2013-05-13-098jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/720050)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/519bea1e9d138/tn_full_2013-05-09-094jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/720049).

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/519bea232d2f1/tn_full_2013-05-18-101jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/720051)

I re-made the side plates from aluminum. This took some weight off the front end and gave more adjustment.

[Bryce]

I spent the day dialing in the Falcon for the SCCA event next Sunday.

My front suspension is adjustable in every aspect and really allowed me to dial in the characteristics I will be trying this time.

I pulled in a little more caster and adjusted the suspension for more clearance with the inner fender. I also spent a lot of time measure my dynamic camber changes during turning. I now have 1 degree of negative camber gain at full steering angle. I ended up around 8.5 degree of caster and 2.5 degrees of negative camber. 8:1 manual steering is kinda tuff. Oh well I guess I will workout a little next week.

Tomorrow I will nut and bolt everything and the car will be ready for the 21st. See all the san diego guys out there!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

Don't forget hose clamps and charging the go pro!!

[FETorino]

Nice work. :thumbsup: Can't wait to hear your impression of the changes you've made.

:cheers:

[Flash68]

Don't forget charging the go pro!!

yes! :bigun2:

[Tomswheels]

As always, looking forward to seeing the beast in action Bryce!

[Bryce]

The falcon did really good yesterday. I finished 3rd in SU and 2nd in pro-touring. (.070 seconds behind rich in his 69 mustang).

The car felt great, all of the front end push was gone. The rear shocks were noticeable bad ( I knew there was no compression dampening at all). I was getting wheel hop on acceleration as the car would hit the bump on full compression then oscillate violently. Also the car was porpoiseing over the bumps. I think some fine tuning and new shocks and I will competitive.

I will post video and pics tonight.

[Bryce]

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Fastest run from sunday

[Track Junky]

Congrats Bryce....glad to see you puttin' the hammer to that thing :thumbsup:

[GrabberGT]

tight course. Looked painful.

[Bryce]

tight course. Looked painful.

It was actually a lot of fun. The 8:1 steering with only 1.75 turns lock to lock keep the car pointed in the right direction.

[Bryce]

Congrats Bryce....glad to see you puttin' the hammer to that thing :thumbsup:

Thanks bud, I forget how much fun it is to drive the car hard.

[onefast70elco]

Awesome car.. Great run too!

[Bryce]

Awesome car.. Great run too!


thanks!

[Bryce]

well the old shocks had some internal issues and were not working properly, I ordered the SA ridetechs last week and they showed up today. So of course the first thing I do is put them on the car.

such a noticeable difference and I haven't left the garage yet. The quality on the ridetechs are second to none. I can see the engineering thought that went into theses and that makes me smile.

now for pics:

old ones came out:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/51f738bf717dc/tn_full_2013-07-28-201jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/725203)
I am reusing the springs at a rate of 225lb. Change one thing at a time and tune from there.

Boxes unpacked:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/51f738cacf8d8/tn_full_2013-07-29-203jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/725205)

Installed:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/51f738d268566/tn_full_2013-07-29-205_1jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/725207)

Upper mount:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/51f738cee09a1/tn_full_2013-07-29-204jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/725206)

I am also adding a catch can to the breather system.

Initial mockup:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/51f738bad2a13/tn_full_2013-07-28-200jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/725202)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_may2013/51f738c471fba/tn_full_2013-07-28-202jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/725204)

This car is sooooo tight to work on, everything just fits.

[GrabberGT]

I think I would have been tempted to install it upside down for easier access to the adjuster knob. Would there be an issue with that?

[Ron in SoCal]

Bryce - man you make single adjustables look good. Fantastic job on the whole car!

[Bryce]

I think I would have been tempted to install it upside down for easier access to the adjuster knob. Would there be an issue with that?

The body of the shock did not have enough clearance with the upper bracket. Plus the stickers are the right side up now. Also the shock shaft is a little more protected being up higher. I can still reach the know easily.

[Bryce]

Bryce - man you make single adjustables look good. Fantastic job on the whole car!

Thanks Ron, ridetech made it easy. I may upgrade to triples next year.

[tones2SS]

Nice upgrades Bryce!

[Bryce]

Took the falcon the autocross today. I did okay. Still way too much body lean. I think I was lifting the inside rear tire. The stiffer springs and sway bar and shocks helped. It allowed to go faster around the turns but the increased lateral-g increased the body roll. Time for new springs on all 4 corners and a 1/4" wall thickness sway bar. That is an advantage of the splined sway bar. Quick change!!! I will get video and pictures up later tonight.

I also need a jack Roush hat, my floppy hat was just not cutting it.

[tones2SS]

ROUSH = :thumbsup:

[Bryce]

http://youtu.be/yb2phchYkIY

Here you go guys. Not my best work, but wanted to get something up before going out of town.:cheers:

Here is a video that mark took.

[Bryce]

A quick review of the last autocross:

The ridetech shocks are awesome and I found out I can get them too stiff. This is a good thing for tuning.

But I have a lot of body lean. So I ordered some new parts.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_0813/520b969ae76a1/tn_full_2013-08-08-219.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726356)
Splined sway bar 33% stiffer than the old one.

I ordered it uncoated (black zinc) so that I would get it on time.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_0813/520b969ed5d34/tn_full_2013-08-10-226.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726357)
So I coated it with this. It puts on a light clear film and last 2 years.

Out with the old
http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_0813/520b96a2d093e/tn_full_2013-08-12-229.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726358)

New spring stack on the left.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_0813/520b96ac71534/tn_full_2013-08-13-230.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726359)

Assembled with the 25lb take up spring and the new 500lb springs.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_0813/520b96b065647/tn_full_2013-08-13-231.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726360)

Installed:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_0813/520b96b469b0c/tn_full_2013-08-13-232.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726361)

First test drive will be tonight.

[Bryce]

Pictures from 8.4.13
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da7139e7d7/tn_full_1094008_641597372526900_945656072_ojpg_Thu mbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726546)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da7177c8d6/tn_full_1094642_641597739193530_1135860510_ojpg_Th umbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726547)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da71b55b26/tn_full_1094642_641597742526863_660730402_ojpg_Thu mbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726548)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da71f386d5/tn_full_1116087_641598505860120_1000160207_ojpg_Th umbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726549)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da7270bec2/tn_full_IMG_0781JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726551)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da72b3b6cd/tn_full_IMG_0782JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726552)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da72f71335/tn_full_IMG_0783JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726553)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da73bb39a5/tn_full_IMG_0786JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726556)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da74175ad9/tn_full_IMG_0792JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726557)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da7464541a/tn_full_IMG_0793JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726558)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da74a51722/tn_full_IMG_0794JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726559)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da75fcc920/tn_full_IMG_0804JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726564)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_0813/520da76c87d9b/tn_full_IMG_0807JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726567)

[Bryce]

pictures from the 8.18.8 SDR SCCA event:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9b884591/tn_full_1JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726859)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9bb44cd9/tn_full_2JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726860)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9be047f8/tn_full_3JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726861)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9c0d251c/tn_full_4JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726862)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9c3732cb/tn_full_5JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726863)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9c64b384/tn_full_6JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726864)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9c9603dc/tn_full_7JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726865)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9cc5c9d7/tn_full_8JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726866)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9cf3b0aa/tn_full_9JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726867)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212f9da8f1b8/tn_full_12JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726870)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_81813scca/5212fcf208b04/tn_full_13JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/726872)
Inside front tire is off the ground.

[Flash68]

Looks great Bryce. Love seeing you out wheeling it a lot!

[Bryce]

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here is my fastest lap 45.154

[mexMan]

I don't mean to be rude but it kinda looks like it still has a lot of lean, have you thought about lowering the center of gravity (thecar) or getting harder shocks? Just a suggestion, anyway, your car gives me the hots.

[Tomswheels]

A Mopar guy who thinks you have too much lean?:confused59:

[Rick D]

Bryce you said RideTech shocks but you installed Afcos?? :poke: Great to see you out getting faster and faster!!

[Bryce]

I don't mean to be rude but it kinda looks like it still has a lot of lean, have you thought about lowering the center of gravity (thecar) or getting harder shocks? Just a suggestion, anyway, your car gives me the hots.

I agree. I raised the rear roll center to shorten the roll couple and stiffen up the rear of the car to reduce body roll. I installed a stiffer front sway bar and stiffer front springs. and I lowered the car 1" in the front and .5" in the back. This all helped...

Now I will be lowering the rear roll center and increasing the rear spring rate. and adding power steering.

[Bryce]

A Mopar guy who thinks you have too much lean?:confused59:

contROLL the roll

[Bryce]

Bryce you said RideTech shocks but you installed Afcos?? :poke: Great to see you out getting faster and faster!!

Rick, I have had afcos on the front for 6 years now. I like them. Those new pics are showing the take up springs I added so that I could got to a much stiffer front spring without building droop limiters. I took out the TCI shocks out of the rear 2 races ago and added the ridetech SA. TCI is rebuilding the shocks and I will be using them as a backup or on another project.

[Ron Sutton]

Bryce,

So what's the next upgrade for your hot rod?

[Bryce]

Bryce,

So what's the next upgrade for your hot rod?

This:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/521e5d4770754/tn_full_2013-08-26-248jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/727258)

and some stiffer rear springs and take up springs.

[Ron Sutton]

This:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_steeringupgrades/521e5d4770754/tn_full_2013-08-26-248jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/727258)

and some stiffer rear springs and take up springs.

Gotcha.

What is the objective with running take up springs?

[Bryce]

Gotcha.

What is the objective with running take up springs?

The shocks are a 4" stroke. I set them up at ride height with 2" in either direction. The current setup is 225 lb springs my preload is zero at full extension. If I go to a stiffer spring and keep the same 2" travel in both directions I will have no preload at full extension. to keep the spring seated at full droop (which my car sees when autocrossing) I need the take up springs.

[Ron Sutton]

The shocks are a 4" stroke. I set them up at ride height with 2" in either direction. The current setup is 225 lb springs my preload is zero at full extension. If I go to a stiffer spring and keep the same 2" travel in both directions I will have no preload at full extension. to keep the spring seated at full droop (which my car sees when autocrossing) I need the take up springs.

Gotcha. Thanks for explaining it.

[gnx7]

That is a good lookin Falcon!

Always loved those cars.

[jarhead]

love the work you've done.

I have had a 64, and a 65, but that was over 30 years ago.

Joe

[SBDave]

Narwhal! Now THAT is a real beer.

[Tomswheels]

Any chance Ill get to see this beast running free Sunday at the Q?:confused18:

[Bryce]

I got a new prototype part from my buddy. This should help the falcon weigh under 2700lbs.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/523fdfcd9626b/tn_full_2013-09-22-286.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728493)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/523fdfd170967/tn_full_2013-09-22-285.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728494)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/523fdfd53b77a/tn_full_2013-09-22-284.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728495)

[tones2SS]

Very nice Bryce.
What material is that made of?

[jarhead]

man it fits jus-rite !

[BDAZSVT]

Falcon looks great! I have a 65 that was my first car. Going to build it next..

[Bryce]

Falcon looks great! I have a 65 that was my first car. Going to build it next..

Thanks man, good luck with your build.

[Bryce]

man it fits jus-rite !

yep, right now its just sitting there. Time to build brackets.

[Bryce]

Very nice Bryce.
What material is that made of?

thanks. fiberglass.

[Tomswheels]

I was hoping Paper-Mache...

[FETorino]

I got a new prototype part from my buddy. This should help the falcon weigh under 2700lbs.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/523fdfcd9626b/tn_full_2013-09-22-286.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728493)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/523fdfd170967/tn_full_2013-09-22-285.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728494)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/523fdfd53b77a/tn_full_2013-09-22-284.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728495)


Bryce

When we were at the Historics in Coronado I forgot to mention how much I dig this Falcon.:D Now I have one more reason to love this car.:thumbsup: It just keeps getting better.

And it Runs;)

:cheers:

[Bryce]

Narwhal! Now THAT is a real beer.

haha! you noticed that? It was a great beer. expensive but great

[Bryce]

Bryce

When we were at the Historics in Coronado I forgot to mention how much I dig this Falcon.:D Now I have one more reason to love this car.:thumbsup: It just keeps getting better.

And it Runs;)

:cheers:

Dont worry, I know you like the falcon, us ford guys have to stick together.

[Bryce]

I was hoping Paper-Mache...

It weighs 8.8 lbs. paper mache would have been lighter....

[Ron Sutton]

It weighs 8.8 lbs. paper mache would have been lighter....

Bryce, how much weight did that save?

[Bryce]

Bryce, how much weight did that save?

stock bumper is 27.6lbs, so a savings of 18.8 lbs.

[390 S code]

Bryce , with getting my car on the road I am currently looking for tyres as the ones I have were some no name brand tyres to allow me carry out the build,what are you running brand wise as I intend to do some track sprints and occasional trip to the local drag strip. I will be needing 235 45 17's for the front and 255/ 275 40 17's for the rear .I checked out some tyre comparisons on tire rack but I would appreciate some feed back from you guys .

[56pickup]

Dont worry, I know you like the falcon, us ford guys have to stick together.

I second that. Falcon is looking really good!:thumbsup:

[Bryce]

Bryce , with getting my car on the road I am currently looking for tyres as the ones I have were some no name brand tyres to allow me carry out the build,what are you running brand wise as I intend to do some track sprints and occasional trip to the local drag strip. I will be needing 235 45 17's for the front and 255/ 275 40 17's for the rear .I checked out some tyre comparisons on tire rack but I would appreciate some feed back from you guys .

I like my falken RT615K tires. 245/45/17 and 275/40/17. But I am interested in the BFG Rivals.

[Bryce]

More car parts:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/5244baf66b416/tn_full_2013-09-25-288jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728649)
New rear springs, went from 225 to 300lb springs. I am also adding take up springs to ensure the spring is always seated....

New spring stack up on the right coilover.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/5244baff1fb21/tn_full_2013-09-26-291jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728651)

I finished rebuilding the stock style power steering. This should perform great with my KRC adjustable pump. Everything is painted and ready for install.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/5244bafa98718/tn_full_2013-09-26-289jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728650)

[coolwelder62]

This is such a cool car.I really dig these little Falcon's.The Hard Top's look like small Galaxie's.Which are some of the coolest car's of the early 60's.

[GrabberGT]

More car parts:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/5244baf66b416/tn_full_2013-09-25-288jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728649)
New rear springs, went from 225 to 300lb springs. I am also adding take up springs to ensure the spring is always seated....



So is this considered a softer spring since the new spring look 2/3 the length of the original but you only up'd the rate by 75? Why the shorter spring and not a spring softer spring of equal length? Possible coil bind?

Thanks. just trying to understand the "ins and outs" of this stuff.

[Bryce]

This is such a cool car.I really dig these little Falcon's.The Hard Top's look like small Galaxie's.Which are some of the coolest car's of the early 60's.

Thanks!

So is this considered a softer spring since the new spring look 2/3 the length of the original but you only up'd the rate by 75? Why the shorter spring and not a spring softer spring of equal length? Possible coil bind?

Thanks. just trying to understand the "ins and outs" of this stuff.

Its a stiffer spring. The length doesnt matter on spring rate, example, you can order a 14" long 300lb spring or a 7" long 300lb spring and the spring will compress the same amount with the same weight. I am running the shorter spring so that I can fit the take up spring and reduce the weight of the spring?

[Bryce]

My daughters first race car. She even painted it herself.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484abe552da/tn_full_2013-09-26-292jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728704)

The install for the power steering:
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484ad3c7219/tn_full_2013-09-28-303jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728708)

First I had to install rivnuts into the frame for the power ram bracket.


Installed
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484adf248fb/tn_full_2013-09-28-304jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728709)

Comparison of manual vs power.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484ae66e976/tn_full_2013-09-28-305jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728710)

Everything is in mock up and I noticed some problems. The inner tie rod hits the control valve, this was expected and parts are on order. Unexpectedly the ram hits the headers so a drop bracket is on order. That will be a temporary fix until I fab something with a rod end.

[Bryce]

How to install the rear fiberglass valance:

End result.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484aee26e73/tn_full_2013-09-29-306jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728711)

I started with a 1.5" wide 1/4" thick bar of aluminum.

I drilled and tapped 4 holes to 3/8-24 then cut to 4" long. I rounded the edges and roughed up the surface to promote adhesion.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484ac45096d/tn_full_2013-09-28-297jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728705)

I stalled studs (set screws) these are epoxied as well to ensure they don't back out. The allen drive makes sure they wont spin.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/52484ac94c9bc/tn_full_2013-09-28-298jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/728706)

I epoxied the aluminum plates to the valance aligned with the stock bumper bracket. I let that cure then covered with two plies of woven fiberglass.
Its a solid attachment and allows for easy install and adjustments.

Eventually I will remake the stock brackets out of aluminum and make one a tow hook.

[coolwelder62]

Very Cool.Will have to get to the west coast to check out all the nice Lateral-g members ride soon!!!!!!!

[Bryce]

Well I have not been on here in a while. I hope everyone's project is going well. I have been trying to get the falcon back on the road....

I got the power steering almost all sorted out and everything is installed. Only tested in the garage and I think I like it. Very little slop and with the adjustable flow KRC pump I should be able to dial in the tuning as I start to drive it.

A few issues.....

The steering ram wanted to be in the same location as my long tube headers. SO I order a drop bracket thinking it would work with a little bit of modifications. But when I tested the stiffness installed into the car, the frame flexed due to the longer torque arm. Now I will be designing a much better bracket that will wrap the frame and use a rod end instead of rubber bushings. I will make it from aluminum and it will look cool. LOL.

I am hoping to make the November 17th SCCA event and get the car ready for the Goodguys event in Del Mar.

[Tomswheels]

There is a Nov 3rd event....

[Bryce]

I thought I would share with my friends on here.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/529462051ce7a/tn_full_1393936_10153399897305005_1344880975_n.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732255)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/52946202467e3/tn_full_1417607_10151986544741967_156737481_o.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732254)

[GrabberGT]

I thought I would share with my friends on here.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/529462051ce7a/tn_full_1393936_10153399897305005_1344880975_n.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732255)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/52946202467e3/tn_full_1417607_10151986544741967_156737481_o.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732254)

Awesome news! Congrats.

[wiedemab]

Congratulations! It looks like Big Sis' is excited about the news!

[jarhead]

Congrats to the Happy Family...

Now you need Recaro Car Seats :)

[tones2SS]

Congrats Bryce!:cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Bryce! You still got it...:D

[Flash68]

Congrats Bryce. :cheers:

[intocarss]

Good job!! Congrats!!!!!!

[Bryce]

finally some updates. Here is my version of a power steering ram drop bracket:

I started with some 4"x4"x3/8" aluminum angle.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/529b6b1e512e1/tn_full_1412697_10153418957490005_2088712204_ojpg_ Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732410)

and here is the evolution of the 3 brackets.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/529b6b110afa7/tn_full_1399263_10153424414125005_1560557425_ojpg_ Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732409)

and here is the progression of the inside bracket.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/529b6b228d3f7/tn_full_1425785_10153471008085005_1696906578_njpg_ Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732411)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/529b6b2558f13/tn_full_1476182_10153532528825005_2091974272_njpg_ Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732412)

and installed.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_92013upgrades/529b6b2734917/tn_full_1479358_10153543431640005_287268923_njpg_T humbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732413)

the stock bracket was too high and the ram contacted the headers.
the aftermarket drop bracket was not strong enough and flexed over an 1" and none of the holes matched stock.
the one I designed wraps the frame rail and ties into the steering box bolts. This really helps stiffen that entire section of frame.

[Bryce]

thanks guys! My daughter is really excited as long as she doesn't have to share her race cars! And my daughter already has her recaro race seat, that cost more than the seats in the falcon. I need to add one more recaro to the collection.

POVERTY IS HAVING TWO KIDS AND CAR HOBBY.

[FETorino]

I thought I would share with my friends on here.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/529462051ce7a/tn_full_1393936_10153399897305005_1344880975_n.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732255)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_92013upgrades/52946202467e3/tn_full_1417607_10151986544741967_156737481_o.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/732254)

:thumbsup: Awesome news Bryce, congradulations and best wishes to your entire family! :thumbsup:

:cheers:

[waynieZ]

Great news Bryce, best of health to you and your family

[Bryce]

:thumbsup: Awesome news Bryce, congradulations and best wishes to your entire family! :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Great news Bryce, best of health to you and your family

Thanks guys

[Bryce]

I took some time off work and didn't work on the falcon, but I did some garage mods.....

I have wanted to insulate and drywall the garage since I moved in. I finally got around to it.

I stripped the walls down to studs.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6deb44d8d7/tn_full_20131223_123118jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733338)

Moved some outlets and added insulation.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd570769f/tn_full_20131223_163301jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733328)

Drywall up, time for mud and tape.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd58db39f/tn_full_20131224_124317jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733329)

Two coats of primer
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd5aa5e58/tn_full_20131227_142409jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733330)

one side done, painted with super high gloss white paint with a glass like finish.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd5cabb97/tn_full_20131227_184720jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733331)

time for the second side.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd5f21354/tn_full_20131229_084900jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733332)

added some outlets and a switch to turn off a few of my overhead lights when not needed. that counts as being green right?
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd618f754/tn_full_20131229_095646jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733333)

drywall and tape and mud done
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd638efc4/tn_full_20131230_180711jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733334)

done, now to put the mess away.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd694a579/tn_full_20140102_124038jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733336)

almost there, time for some garage art and foldup workbenches, and I need to get everything hung up on the walls and off the floor.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd6bc4f5d/tn_full_20140102_174706jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733337)

its like being at a drive-in....
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_garageupgrades/52c6dd6702153/tn_full_20140101_171709jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/733335)

[jarhead]

nice job Bryce, it will be much easier to keep clean too...

[Bryce]

nice job Bryce, it will be much easier to keep clean too...

I hope so, thanks bud!

[coolwelder62]

Look's good. I have the attic above shop needing the same work as soon as you are free buddy.!!!!!LOL:)

[Bryce]

Look's good. I have the attic above shop needing the same work as soon as you are free buddy.!!!!!LOL:)

HAHA, I bring the falcon and you can do some work for me!

[Bryce]

I will be scaling the falcon this weekend at my house, let me know if any of you guys want to stop by a get your calls on the scales.

[coolwelder62]

HAHA, I bring the falcon and you can do some work for me!Sound's a perfect and fair Trade.Other then the long drive for you.But I bet once you get to the Midwest away from all those crazy socal rule's you'll deside to stay.:lol:

[Bryce]

Sound's a perfect and fair Trade.Other then the long drive for you.But I bet once you get to the Midwest away from all those crazy socal rule's you'll deside to stay.:lol:

I have family in Lenexa Ks. Road trip!

[Bryce]

I am still surprised the power steering only added 6lbs.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e4572c9f26d/tn_full_20140118_144754jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734173)

I ordered stickers and put them on a magnetic sheet and cut them out to make some nice removable numbers. And they passed the freeway test.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e4572ed2e0d/tn_full_20140118_193408jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734174)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e457315b2a3/tn_full_20140118_193608jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734175)

I didn't order letters, so I printed some letters and used them as stencils on some carbon fiber tape on the same magnetic sheet. Worked out good.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e4573916cea/tn_full_20140125_222551jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734177)

I also got a new autocross hat, this should keep the sun off my face and neck while working the course.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e45736e558c/tn_full_20140125_143317jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734176)

[Flash68]

^^ Bryce that looks great dude. Your hat's okay too. :D

[glassman]

I am still surprised the power steering only added 6lbs.
http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e4572c9f26d/tn_full_20140118_144754jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734173)

I ordered stickers and put them on a magnetic sheet and cut them out to make some nice removable numbers. And they passed the freeway test.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e4572ed2e0d/tn_full_20140118_193408jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734174)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e457315b2a3/tn_full_20140118_193608jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734175)

I didn't order letters, so I printed some letters and used them as stencils on some carbon fiber tape on the same magnetic sheet. Worked out good.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e4573916cea/tn_full_20140125_222551jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734177)

I also got a new autocross hat, this should keep the sun off my face and neck while working the course.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e45736e558c/tn_full_20140125_143317jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734176)


That hat is awesome, but you need a Cuban stogie to go with it....haha

is the Cam short for Camaro? ...sorry couldn't resist.

Seriously though, nice car and love the fact that you dont see very many of them. And the garage looks fantasic as well....keep em coming.....Mike

[Bryce]

^^ Bryce that looks great dude. Your hat's okay too. :D

hhaahaha

[Bryce]

That hat is awesome, but you need a Cuban stogie to go with it....haha

is the Cam short for Camaro? ...sorry couldn't resist.

Seriously though, nice car and love the fact that you dont see very many of them. And the garage looks fantasic as well....keep em coming.....Mike


Thanks Mike, I appreciate the compliments.

CAM did have a lot CAMaros in the class. At least 3. 1 falcon 3 mustangs and GTO and a chevelle and a fairlane.

[Bryce]

I just experienced the first SDR event with the CAM guys. What a great turn out. I had a blast running with the friends. The car felt great, the power steering felt great, still has feel.... The stiffer rear spring really balance the car out and the overall package was great to drive. I don't really have any other mods planned before the next SCCA event.

Here are the videos:

oIjLmKEVl8Y

-vEPHQ_Bj9Y

wjWyNIH5kdQ

RZ6R_uHNhnE

Pictures and results next week.

[Bryce]

a few pics from the last autocross. My buddy Jeff came out to get some pictures of the rear valance he built for my falcon.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_12613scca/52ec0b7381413/tn_full_SDR-SCCA_Autocross_Jan26-20140126002-3.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734499)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_12613scca/52ec0b7490986/tn_full_SDR-SCCA_Autocross_Jan26-20140126010.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734500)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_12613scca/52ec0b75954d8/tn_full_SDR-SCCA_Autocross_Jan26-20140126010-2.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734501)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_12613scca/52ec0b76a9d84/tn_full_SDR-SCCA_Autocross_Jan26-20140126064.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734502)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_12613scca/52ec0b78021eb/tn_full_SDR-SCCA_Autocross_Jan26-20140126065.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734503)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_12613scca/52ec0bb473804/tn_full_SDR-SCCA_Autocross_Jan26-20140126076.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734504)

[FETorino]

I also got a new autocross hat, this should keep the sun off my face and neck while working the course.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_12613scca/52e45736e558c/tn_full_20140125_143317jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/734176)http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/t1_roush_zps2ccfc1c9.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/t1_roush_zps2ccfc1c9.jpg.html)

Jack Roush style :thumbsup:

[Bryce]

Jack Roush style :thumbsup:

yep!

You are the first to pick up on that. I asked my dad for a Jack style hat for Christmas and Santa delivered.

[Bryce]

So to build the rear diffuser I need to move my fuel tank, per SCCA rules "stock fuel tank in stock location is acceptable, if fuel tank is moved it must be replaced with a FIA FT3 fuel cell." So now I am spec'ing out a ATL fuel cell. Anyone have any input or suggestions.

[FETorino]

So to build the rear diffuser I need to move my fuel tank, per SCCA rules "stock fuel tank in stock location is acceptable, if fuel tank is moved it must be replaced with a FIA FT3 fuel cell." So now I am spec'ing out a ATL fuel cell. Anyone have any input or suggestions.

Pitstop usually has good pricing on ATLs. Get the trap door sump kit also it's another $170 or so. I was originally going to run a pair of duck foot pick ups but DG did some homework and straightened me out on that.

http://pitstopusa.com/i-5064658-atl-sports-cell-15-gallon.html

[Bryce]

I had another great time at the latest CAM event at SCCA.

The first time I did not make any changes. Here are some vids and movies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kYoRK6vuw&feature=youtu.be

N6kYoRK6vuw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFj2m6dIECo&feature=youtu.be

UFj2m6dIECo

[Bryce]

Pitstop usually has good pricing on ATLs. Get the trap door sump kit also it's another $170 or so. I was originally going to run a pair of duck foot pick ups but DG did some homework and straightened me out on that.

http://pitstopusa.com/i-5064658-atl-sports-cell-15-gallon.html

I decided on the 10 gal, with duck foot pick ups. I have a 1 quart fuel filter that should help...

[Bryce]

I haven't updated in awhile....

I ordered the ATL fuel cell.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_march2014/5339bd80192c4/tn_full_20140307_194315.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/736741)

And a few fittings from summit.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_march2014/5339bd1c9fb40/tn_full_20140301_185009.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/736740)

A few cable ties and Im ready to race.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_march2014/5339b44980a37/tn_full_20140308_200924.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/736732)



I have made 4 events this year, almost the same I made all of last year. The car has been performing pretty good. Mark, Dan and Alcino have been great competition. There are a few videos up on my youtube page.

I was having a slight rub on the inner fender in the back so I made some .050" thick wheel spacers and problem solved. I may even be able to drop the rear another 1/2".

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_march2014/5339b45dba478/tn_full_20140329_154153.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/736738)

and a shot from the last event with the CAM crew.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_march2014/5339b4628c3ef/tn_full_20140330_113912.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/736739)

[FETorino]

I haven't updated in awhile....

I ordered the ATL fuel cell.

http://media.motortopia.com/files/21357/album_march2014/5339bd80192c4/tn_full_20140307_194315.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/736741)



Wow went all out with the lightweight AL can.:thumbsup: Nice purchase. :D

Are you going to build a fuel cell cage?

[Bryce]

Wow went all out with the lightweight AL can.:thumbsup: Nice purchase. :D

Are you going to build a fuel cell cage?

Yep, it wasn't that much more for the Al upgrade.

I will be building something that can handle a roll over, but not a full out wheel to wheel legal 1" square tube cage. But mine will not hang below the trunk floor. Im making room for aero.

[FETorino]

Yep, it wasn't that much more for the Al upgrade.

I will be building something that can handle a roll over, but not a full out wheel to wheel legal 1" square tube cage. But mine will not hang below the trunk floor. Im making room for aero.

Cool. A diffuser? That's what I want to do on mine.

[Bryce]

Cool. A diffuser? That's what I want to do on mine.

I will send you a sketch of my design.

[Bryce]

Hey guys, I have been getting a few PMs about car status.

First some life stuff, my son is now 3 months old! we had to buy another car race red focus ST. Which is fun for a wagon and 33mpg 252hp 270ft-lbs.


I have made it to 8 SCCA events in CAM this year. The car and driver keep improving. I will post some videos in the next few days. and I will post up results for the events as well.

Our CAM class is all pre79 and we average 12 cars per event. This has made the class extremely fun and competetive. The event yesterday had places 2 to 9 within 1 second of eachother on a 50 second course.

[rustomatic]

Hey Bryce,

With all the yacking on this site about NorCal events, we'll have to see your Falcon up here at some point. Are you ready for a road course, maybe even USCA, if they return to Laguna Seca next year? Hint, hint, hint. Good to see you're still in action!

[Bryce]

Hey Bryce,

With all the yacking on this site about NorCal events, we'll have to see your Falcon up here at some point. Are you ready for a road course, maybe even USCA, if they return to Laguna Seca next year? Hint, hint, hint. Good to see you're still in action!

My car is not ready for the big course. I need some safety add ons first. I only run a lap belt in my bucket seats. No roll bar.

i am installing the fuel cell soon. then maybe more to come. Or I build the new car I have been designing for the last year or so.

[Flash68]

Nice going Bryce. Keep workin your plan. :)

How many gallons is that cell?

[Bryce]

Wow my lack of updates is unacceptable. I have made it to 10 events this year and a solid 3rd in points. I got my ATL fuel cell installed. I also bought new tires. Same falken in the back and the new hankook rs3 in the front. Wow. What a difference. The front has so much grip. The rear is always loose. Time to lower the rear roll center and add some aero.

The addition of the 10 gal fuel cell was to make room for a diffuser.

SEMA next week. See you there.

[WSSix]

Good job, Bryce! Glad to hear the car is working well for you.

[waynieZ]

Congrats on the points standings, good luck ! Oh enjoy SEMA too.

[Bill71]

A couple more pics as I slowly put the sway bar in:

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/5166b82ff327a/tn_full_2013-04-10-046jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/716895)

http://media.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_march2013/5166b831c9442/tn_full_2013-04-10-047jpg_Thumbnail1.jpg (http://www.motortopia.com/photos/716896)

Can anyone identify the source of the flanged bearing that is being used here? I am looking for the same part.

[Bryce]

Can anyone identify the source of the flanged bearing that is being used here? I am looking for the same part.
Sorry for the delay Bill. I don't have much to me for the forums with 2 kids running around the house.

I bought those from mcmaster.com