Fords New Coyote 5.0 V-8

[Paladin]

Just got motor trend and this thing looks impressive. 415hp from 5.0! That is right there with the Camaro LS3 at 6.2 liters! Catching up to the Europeans in hp/liter. Its good ford is making the base GT more competitive, the Shelby is really more on par with the vette (base not z06) in price and performance.

Given the old GT was not far off the camaro and charger performance with a measly 315 hp, the new stang should really cook! And the new v6 almost as much power as the old V-8.

Its hard to keep up. When I started building my g-machine mustang in 2002 a gt-40 302 crate motor (efi, supercharged, methanol injected)seemed like a better way to go than the 4.6 (both in terms of packaging and performance even supercharged), and certainly more cost efficient. Then in 2003 the terminator 4.6 supercharged engine was the hot ticket. Big bucks but capable of 600hp. Then the 5.4 supercharged shelby motor in 2007 worth 800hp with a ken belle blower. And now the new 5.0! My car wasn't even finished until 2005, and in just 5 years cutting edge became old news!


now they just need a double clutch tranny like the gtr or porsche pdk.

[buickfunnycar.com]

11:1 compression too...:yes:

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

My boy just got one of those crated last week..

things massive..

[70rs]

Is that in the Feb issue or March issue? I have not received my March yet.



EDIT: I just found my issue under some other mail. Nice. That engine looks promising for the Ford guys. I also noticed a little(Feb issue page 22) blurb about a 6.2 liter V8 going in the Raptor next year with 411 hp and 434 lb ft of torque. That should move that truck pretty good.

[CreepinDeth]

Makes ya wonder WTH took em so long to produce a worthy engine.
It's impressive out of a 5.0L.

As with anything tho.....1st year of production, lets just sit back and watch what breaks. :thumbsup:

[Paladin]

about time is right. $25,000 as a crate motor is ridiculous though. http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=8022

Chevy guys can get a fully dressed ls3 with the hot cam 485 hp for half that price!

[ProTouring442]

about time is right. $25,000 as a crate motor is ridiculous though. http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=8022

Chevy guys can get a fully dressed ls3 with the hot cam 485 hp for half that price!

Except, of course, that's not the new Coyote 5.0. Instead, the link you provided is to a Grand American Road Racing engine based on the old 4-cam modular motor!

The engine in your link:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/images/part/full/M-6007-R50.jpg

The new Coyote engine:

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e2010536f393aa970c-800wi
Source: http://news.pickuptrucks.com

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[JohnnyGMachine]

Here's a pic that's more up to date....
http://www.autonewscast.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/mustanggt2011-5.jpg

[buickfunnycar.com]

I work for Ford and will be the first to admit they've always had horrid-looking engine compartments and interiors compared to GM...I'm glad to see they've adressed both areas well,interiors first pretty much across the board and now under the hood.

Looking good while going fast...:yes:

[T Bell]

This would be a great swap for my 77 pickup. I bet tons of 1st gen mustangs will try and squeeze it in them as well.

[tones2SS]

Chevy needs to step up to the plate DESPERATELY if they want to compete!
I believe Ford came out with a track pack Mustang as well. They also have a 6,500 dollar upgrade for one of their models that is 50 state legal and adds some great power as well.
(I am a Chevy guy through and through, but Ford is making some killer rides lately.):_paranoid :willy:

[hifi875]

556hp z28 will be chevys answer.

[Ventoso]

556hp z28 will be chevys answer.

To a GT trim mustang? C'mon

You and I both know the Z28 (if it ever does show up) will not be aimed at the GT as Chevrolet already have the SS for that. Instead, I think any forced induction Camaro is going to be pointed into GT500 territory, and even then, who knows where Ford is going in the future with the new Coyote platform. They have already made it clear that the cylinder heads have full provisions for ecoboost direct injection and that the entire engine was developed to be able to accommodate future forced induction projects with minimal changes. We are just on the cusp of this new engines potential, and there is a lot left to be extracted from it in future years.

[legend]

BMW did this years ago with the M5, bit strange that it's taken so long to catch up

[JohnnyGMachine]

The new '11 5.0 GT can already match the performance of the M3. It even betters it in braking...all for $25k+ less. The new 2012 Boss 302 outlaps the M3 on Laguna Seca still for much less. The SRT can't even hang with a GT anymore, and it's now outperforming the Camaro SS. I think the Mustang as a whole is a well balanced machine once again proving Ford knows how to build a pony car that is the best bang for the $$$.

[Paladin]

Amen to that John. They need to focus on the Shelby more now. yeah, the all aluminum engine helps take some weight out, but the boss 302 will spank it on a track. The z06 eats the shelby. They need to take even more weight out, lower the center of gravity and a much better wheel/tire package. It can't get the power to the ground! Basically take the the boss 302 thinking and apply it to the gt500!

[CarlC]

Anyone want to venture a guess as to what the approx. 1" diameter tube (the larger one) attached to the intake just upstream of the TB is for? I had a hard time believing it myself when I heard that it was for......

[buickfunnycar.com]

Anyone want to venture a guess as to what the approx. 1" diameter tube (the larger one) attached to the intake just upstream of the TB is for? I had a hard time believing it myself when I heard that it was for......

To allow extra engine sound back into the cabin...these cars are so quiet now you don't get that musclecar sound like you used too.
There's some material in there to filter it a bit,I've heard of guys taking them apart and making them louder,lol.:unibrow:

Laguna Seca edition rollout @ the racetrack:
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01468.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01469.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01470.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01472.jpg

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p3/topfueljohn/DSC01473.jpg

[CarlC]

Yeah, a noise tube. Who'd of thunk it? NVH at such an all time low that now sound needs to be pumped into the cabin.

[byndbad914]

talking with my friend the other day he said the key to the new 5.0L is that Ford actually pulled their head from their rear and made a head that actually flows air, and a ton of it at that, well over 300cfm. That would be a first for Ford other than the 351C 4V stuff, and then the volume was too big and made other issues. Nonetheless, the new found power is certainly in the heads.

GM has time and time again made better power with stock heads. The advent of the cheap alum aftermarket heads of the 90s opened up the door for making real power out of SBFs. The 90deg Ford has always been the better design from the deck down, and it is evident when you look at the LS Chevies now... they are essentially 90 deg Fords with Mod Motor cross bolted mains, BUT the heads flow really well bone stock.

That is why this tried and true Ford guy gave up with the mod motor stuff and just bought a 2010 Grand Sport with the LS3. Funny (or sad if you will) part about the LS engines is they copied the Ford design enough to have also copied the poor engine oil drain backs :lol: Mine has a dry sump so at least I have enough oil in the sump to keep pressure while filling the valve covers up on the road course, but guys have blown the base model LS2s and LS3s without an accusump or dry sump ;)

[rwhite692]

I hear that there are already several '11 5.0 cars into the high 10s which is pretty amazing since no one has had much time to work with these cars yet...and that is with the stock cams. The redline is something like 7.5K if my memory serves....Awesome motor.

[rwhite692]

BMW did this years ago with the M5, bit strange that it's taken so long to catch up

M5 price point = just a bit upmarket from Mustang GT price point

[fleetus macmullitz]

I would think this is the first of many '89 notch's getting one.

http://www.stangnet.com/2010/02/27/stangnet-built-to-cruise-project/

[legend]

M5 price point = just a bit upmarket from Mustang GT price point

yeah, my point was a 32 valve 5.0 is not a very new thing. mercedes, lexus, bmw have been at it for years. It's all good news for pro touring guys though :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

I would think this is the first of many '89 notch's getting one.

http://www.stangnet.com/2010/02/27/stangnet-built-to-cruise-project/

Cool link Skip! Thanks! I would love to build a car like that, but with a LSx engine, mini-tub, killer suspension, etc., etc.:yes: :thumbsup:

[JohnnyGMachine]

Amen to that John. They need to focus on the Shelby more now. yeah, the all aluminum engine helps take some weight out, but the boss 302 will spank it on a track. The z06 eats the shelby. They need to take even more weight out, lower the center of gravity and a much better wheel/tire package. It can't get the power to the ground! Basically take the the boss 302 thinking and apply it to the gt500!

Yeah no kidding - the GT500 just has too many "luxury" items. Too much leather, too many options, etc. ....what about a lightweight GT500. Articulated competition buckets (like the Boss 302), harness belts, rear seat delete, delete sound deadener, on and on...If they could even drop another 150-200lbs. that car would be even more of a monster. Imagine a GT500 making 550 hp at even 3500 lbs.???

[fleetus macmullitz]

Cool link Skip! Thanks! I would love to build a car like that, but with a LSx engine, mini-tub, killer suspension, etc., etc.:yes: :thumbsup:

You're welcome Tony.

Just copy this one...it meets your wish list above.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17537&highlight=muttstang


:P

[Jay Hilliard]

I can't remember if i heard it or read it on a forum, but I recall the Boss mustang having 440ish HP vs 412 for GT. Any truth to it?

[fleetus macmullitz]

I can't remember if i heard it or read it on a forum, but I recall the Boss mustang having 440ish HP vs 412 for GT. Any truth to it?

That is correct.

http://www.stangnet.com/2010/08/13/its-back-2012-mustang-boss-302/#more-2947

[tones2SS]

You're welcome Tony.

Just copy this one...it meets your wish list above.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17537&highlight=muttstang


:P

HA HA!!:lol: :thumbsup:
Thanks bud!

[Huyzel]

About time.. Now the Ford guys can stop dropping Chevy motors into their Fords! HAHAHA :P

[Paladin]

at least Ford didn't go bankrupt and essentially get taken over by the government......