DSE's billet hood hinges ?????

[Datsbad]

Did anyone at SEMA notice the billet hood hinges on the black/silver 69 with the SPURS on it ?

I talked to the owner and said that DSE would be releasing these some time . they are truely a work of art , i need to get on the waiting list !

[camcojb]

Did anyone at SEMA notice the billet hood hinges on the black/silver 69 with the SPURS on it ?

I talked to the owner and said that DSE would be releasing these some time . they are truely a work of art , i need to get on the waiting list !

Those were made by the Ring Brothers, builders of that trick black Mustang. They are very cool.

Jody

[Datsbad]

oh , well the owner of the car told me DSE .

anyway thats good if the Ring brother did them , now i can get them for my 69 camaro and my 67 mustang, if they are for sale that s ? . i did see them on the mustang also now that you mention it !

[clill]

Mike Ring made them and is going to market them through Detroit speed.

[Datsbad]

any info on availabilty ? who do i call first?

[Steve1968LS2]

Mike Ring made them and is going to market them through Detroit speed.

This man knows things :)

And they should be cheaper than what Ring was charging since they had low production equipment..

NICE stuff..

[XcYZ]

We have to have pics. lol



http://www.lateral-g.net/ringmustang/025.jpg

[DRJDVM's '69]

Those are wicked !!! Sign me up.....

[SPOTT]

I'll Take A Pair Too!!

[Rybar]

Those are sweet, I wonder how much....

[camcojb]

I called DSE this morning as we are dealers for them; no pricing at this time. I'm hoping that the DSE arrangement will allow these to be out soon.


Jody

[ViperBlue68]

I've got a strong heart...whats the Rumored price???

[mazspeed]

Ill pay.

[camcojb]

I've got a strong heart...whats the Rumored price???

The rumor has them at about $800.

Jody

[Steve1968LS2]

Those are sweet, I wonder how much....

I "heard" that from Ring they were something like $1000 a pair.. but if they get made on a good and efficient mill the cost should drop a BUNCH..

I think that if they got down in the $350 a pair range that they would sell like hotcakes..

[Steve1968LS2]

I called DSE this morning as we are dealers for them; no pricing at this time. I'm hoping that the DSE arrangement will allow them out soon.


Jody

DOH!! Did I speak out of turn.. that was just a rumor i heard bantered about.. lol

An efficient mill that can turn out 10 times the product in a given span should drop the price quite a bit. They sure are nice..

[B Schein]

$1000.00 That Price is ridicules, I see no more than 1.5 hours at the absolute maximum in machine time per hinge assembly that’s on a CNC machine not whittleing them out by hand on a Bridgeport These guys need to step out of the stone age and get some computer controlled equipment.

[907rs]

$1000.00 That Price is ridicules, I see no more than 1.5 hours at the absolute maximum in machine time per hinge assembly that’s on a CNC machine not whittleing them out by hand on a Bridgeport These guys need to step out of the stone age and get some computer controlled equipment.

An hour and a half? Brian, whats your hourly rate? I sure would like a pair. :)

[clill]

Mike Ring made them on a CNC. I spoke to him about my Son bidding on them. He has a much more efficient machine and thinks he can improve it. I have Mikes card on my desk and just need to call and push him.

[Blown353]

Those are trick.

Jody, I distinctly remember a conversation in your garage well over a year ago when we were both looking at your in-progress car and I mentioned "you know what, billet hood hinges would be really cool."

Looks like I'm beat to the market yet again. :P

Those would definately sell like hotcakes, but only if the price is right. Are the gas-charged assist cylinders capable of holding up a steel hood? Also, if it was me, I'd press in needle bearings at the non-spherical jointed pivot points or at least some sort of sleeve bearing (they may have already done that, can't tell in the pics.) A composite sleeve bearing would probably be the best option as they would be corrosion resistant. It would suck to have the needle bearings on your hood hinges rust up on you.

Troy

[B Schein]

An hour and a half? Brian, whats your hourly rate? I sure would like a pair. :)
I am estimating an Hour and Half Cycle time on all parts this just a guess. This doesn’t include time for design/programming as well as any fixtures that might need to be built. You all so need to take a few more things into account like tooling, material, paying for you a Machines, Maintenance, Power and many other things lets not for get the most important thing a profit that’s Why people own business in the first place.

All I am saying is see no reason why these couldn’t be produced within in the $250-350 range this also depends on any special hard wear that might be need and the struts. I think $800-1000 is just a crazy.

[Blown353]

I am estimating an Hour and Half Cycle time on all parts this just a guess. This doesn’t include time for design/programming as well as any fixtures that might need to be built. You all so need to take a few more things into account like tooling, material, paying for you a Machines, Maintenance, Power and many other things lets not for get the most important thing a profit that’s Why people own business in the first place.

All I am saying is see no reason why these couldn’t be produced within in the $250-350 range this also depends on any special hard wear that might be need and the struts. I think $800-1000 is just a crazy.

I'd say 1.5-2 hours of machine time is reasonable as well. Don't forget the bench labor though to assemble the linkages and bolt the things together, and as you mentioned raw materials, off the shelf piece parts (spherical rod ends, gas cylinders, bushings/bearings, hardware), design/programming costs, setup/fixturing, and tooling. I think with an efficient process and a large enough volume to spread out NRE and fixturing costs ~$350/pair is a reasonable target, more if special finishes or additional processing is required (polish, powder coat, anodizing, etc.) However, I don't see that much margin at a $350/pair price point once you figure in overhead costs and packaging. Also remember these parts are going to be purchased mainly for cosmetic reasons so you can't rush the machining *too* much; you'll still need to factor in time for a slower skim pass after the initial hogging to produce a cosmetically "pretty" surface finish; however this could be partially alleviated by an acid etch (which would smooth the parts) followed by clear anodizing.

Troy

[Fluid Power]

Oh my goodness!

Darren

[camcojb]

$1000.00 That Price is ridicules, I see no more than 1.5 hours at the absolute maximum in machine time per hinge assembly that’s on a CNC machine not whittleing them out by hand on a Bridgeport These guys need to step out of the stone age and get some computer controlled equipment.

I hesitated to throw out a price, as it may not be accurate. Lets wait and see what price they end up with before thrashing them soundly! :D

Jody

[Teetoe_Jones]

I'd pay $700 for those. They sure are trick.
Tyler

[PaceCarNut]

I'll take a set myself. :thumbsup:

[Stuart Adams]

After seeing the close up, I'm not counting on the prices coming down too much. If you want the part you will buy it.

It's just like what I have thought all along about Marquez tailights stuff, priced too low for the quality! If the prices were higher we would still buy them!!

[Steve1968LS2]

It's just like what I have thought all along about Marquez tailights stuff, priced too low for the quality! If the prices were higher we would still buy them!!

Talk like that, even if true, could get you banned.. lol

I would probley buy the hinges at $500 but the sell like hotcakes price point is less than $400.. just my .02

Although if I had the cash I would pay $1000 since they are so sweet.. I would just feel silly doing it.. lol

If done on the right machine they could most likely be made not only cheaper but better as well.

I can't wait to see how they hit the market.. :yes:

[Ummgawa]

They definately don't suck. I'd drop a Bill on a set. Rather drop a whole lot less but I can see it, course I'd like 'em a little smoother without the CNC cut marks. I sure as heck won't be the first on the block again. I have enough mistakes in boxes to do a Nova.

Anybody need some unused parts? :D

[Hooligan]

Dam those are making me rethink my plans for a lift off hood!:hail: :thumbsup:

[lil427z]

jody I'm in for a set . also would like to get info on your int parts . i bought all the billet parts that you sell for my 69 rs camaro . :thumbsup:
thanks rick kirkindall

[Datsbad]

if you guys keep saying you will pay big bucks then most likely those people making them will see this thread and be big bucks in the end . now shhhh! quit flashing your cash !!!!!!!!!!

[B Schein]

I am not thrashing the parts or the people making them. They look like a very well engineered and design piece they put nice geometry on everything so that it is pleasing to the eye. But from my manufacturing experience the estimated price makes me cringe because I no that if had engineering drawings of the parts I could make them for way less. But I am only talking about make one or two sets not going in to long run production and marketing them through a major retailer.

I am going to shut up now and just wait and see what they will cost whenever they hit the market.

[rs5323]

: Yes: I'll take a set!!
I think this product is slick!
I don’t know about any of you but I would pay $700- $1000 for them. I own my own manufacturing business and know how expensive it is to design, program, tool up, purchase materials, assemble, package & pay for other overheads. Now my guess is that they were made as prototypes so I would expect them to streamline there process by time they are released for production. This in turn may bring the price down or not, but I would rather pay this for something made in the USA then the China built $299.95 special.

**Can't wait to see what's next**

[evilzee28]

HELLOOOO !! Anybody there??? Are you guys for real !!!, you must really have money to burn if you can justify spending $1000.00 on a pair of bonnet hinges. Think about it,........ they're just hinges 'fer goodness sake!! Ok, they look well sweet & would definately make most engine bays look cool, but even at $500.00 it's still darn expensive, sure it's a shed load of work to make them, but just put it into perspective here for a while,....... they just hold the bonnet open!! if you've got so much money that you don't bat an eyelid spending that amount on hinges, then give the money to charity to do something worth while with it. Thats a few months rent or mortgage for most people.

[Ummgawa]

I give generously to charity. If I want hinges, I'll get me some. If you don't, well, then don't. It's cool by me. :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

HELLOOOO !! Anybody there??? Are you guys for real !!!, you must really have money to burn if you can justify spending $1000.00 on a pair of bonnet hinges. Think about it,........ they're just hinges 'fer goodness sake!! Ok, they look well sweet & would definately make most engine bays look cool, but even at $500.00 it's still darn expensive, sure it's a shed load of work to make them, but just put it into perspective here for a while,....... they just hold the bonnet open!! if you've got so much money that you don't bat an eyelid spending that amount on hinges, then give the money to charity to do something worth while with it. Thats a few months rent or mortgage for most people.

Considering I spent $200 on two billet emblems on my last car I guess I am a bit nuts.. lol..

And I'm in SoCal.. so $1000 doesn't even hit 30% of a motgage and its barely over half for the average rent... lol

A few people would buy them at $1000 but to make a ton of sales they need be less than $400.. but that is just my marketing opinion.. can't wait to see how it all fleshes out.

[Diognes56]

I would buy a set for my '56 if they made them :yes: (they probably do not have any plans for that though :mad: ), but they would have to be less than $400, I am still in school :( .

David

[ProStreet R/T]

You guys that think these should sell for under $300 are nuts :willy: Even with the awesome software available to animate 3d assemblies they probably went through at least 10 prototypes getting the linkage correct. Honestly there is some serious thought and engineering put into those and unless they get an upfront order that excedes 100 units I would be AMAZED to see them sell for under $600/pr

and honestly, at $750/pr I don't think they will have any problem selling them. These aren't for every joe, but the guys who are building high end cars won't flinch at the price. Heck in Mopar land people pay 3x that for a silly horn emblem. :willy:

[syborg tt]

and honestly, at $750/pr I don't think they will have any problem selling them. These aren't for every joe, but the guys who are building high end cars won't flinch at the price. Heck in Mopar land people pay 3x that for a silly horn emblem.

well said. I am looking at building a set for my project and i plan to spend at least that much on them.

[XcYZ]

Couple of thoughts:

1st: nobody knows, not even the people making these units pictured, know what the final pricing will be. What you see here are working prototypes. 'Mules' in a sense.

2nd: Pandora's box has been opened on billet hinges. I would be willing to venture a bet that there will be more than one source for for these. It's obvious that people really like them and it won't take long for the market to react. These days it's all about fresh ideas and getting them to market first as whenever there's something cool that comes out, there will definitely be competitors wanting in on the action. How many companies make tubular UCA's for 1st Gen F-bodys now?

Of course, this is just my opinion. :yes:

[Diognes56]

You guys that think these should sell for under $300 are nuts :willy:

Hey I am nuts too :yes: ..... oh wait, no ................. ummmm :_paranoid .

LOL.

I wasn't really commenting on what they should be priced, I was just saying what I can afford to pay for something like that at the moment (ie not much :( ).

David

[Fluid Power]

The real question is are these Pro-Touring?

JUST KIDDING! :)



Darren

[ssmoore]

They are sweet. Gotta figure the guy will have a 100% markup on the manufacturing side to retail. Then dse will get a break from there prolly 25 to 50 %. just a guess.

cost to manufacture $250 x 2 = $500 retail

detroit speed cost prolly $400

In my opinion anything over $600 your taking it up the you know what.lol

[TEDDYS CAMARO]

I talked to the Ring Brothers and I am sending them a hinge from a 2nd gen. Camaro so they can make me a pair. I don't know about price yet, but he will take a look at the hinges and give me a quote. Maybe we can get a group purchase.

[steemin]

My builder G Force Design Concepts (Datsbad on this board) just received a set for their 67 Fastback project and they look awesome :eek:
Datsbad talked me into buying a set for "Quicksilver" my 65 Fastback.
I was told that they would be $800.
I agree that is a bunch of money for hood hinges.
But they are extremely cool.
They are a perfect fit IMO on my car and they will finish off my engine compartment nicely.
Sometimes it is nice to be able to do things that are not "practical"
Besides my Mr.T starter set is complete so I don't need any more Gold Ropes.
Scott

[Stuart Adams]

Cool.

If you like the parts, buy em. Don't skimp on things you like, IMO. Besides, leaving the money to your kids will just cause problems, spend it, give to them while you are alive, and your last check should go the mortuary and the check should bounce!!!!!!!!

Post a pic of that hinge.

[Rybar]

Besides, leaving the money to your kids will just cause problems, spend it, give to them while you are alive, and your last check should go the mortuary and the check should bounce!!!!!!!!

That's a great quote Stuart. I love it :rofl:

[Ummgawa]

Besides my Mr.T starter set is complete so I don't need any more Gold Ropes.

The starter set!! Too funny man!! :rofl:

[TravisB]

we have three sets on order.....hopefuly they will be ready soon

[jimbo]

If it is any consolation, one decklid/convertible top hinge, for a Lexus SC430 is $3000.00. It is a painted part, not billet.

[trapin]

It's just like what I have thought all along about Marquez tailights stuff, priced too low for the quality! If the prices were higher we would still buy them!!
Thanks Stu. There goes my billet tail lights and side markers. :rolleyes:

[camcojb]

It's just like what I have thought all along about Marquez tailights stuff, priced too low for the quality! If the prices were higher we would still buy them!!

Sounds good, up they go! :lol:

Jody

[PaceCarNut]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Jody, I didnt read that lst comment.

[Datsbad]

Yes I am sorry to say they are $800 . I recieved my set , they are truely a work of art . Steemin's will be here soon . I will try to post a pic

[mazspeed]

I have a question. How strong are they? I don't know if any of these have been tested against large amounts of up force though the engine bay at high speeds. Anyone know if they are strong, and if they are I'm ordering a pair.