C6 Suspension and Drivetrain under a 1969 Camaro under construction @ Ironworks.

[ironworks]

Alright Guys I have been holding out on your for alittle bit. We got a 1969 Camaro body in here a few month ago on a pallet. After doing an initial mock up of the car, we decided on running 335 20's in the rear and 285-19's in the front, Like a ZR-1 Corvette. The customer supplied the C6 transaxle from RPM transmission. Here is the initial mock up.

The Overall Tire sizes are not exact since we dont have 335/25/20's just laying around, but you will catch the vibe we are going for.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/radical69mockup19-20.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/radical69mockup19-203quarterview.jpg

As you can see the blue tape stripe on the bottom of the rocker, we decided that wedge sectioning the car 1" would give us the desired stance. By doing this we made the bottom of the rocker, the door gap and the speedline of the front fender all parallel and level at ride height. We made the cut inbetween the door hinges. Here are some pics.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/3-18-2009pics001.jpg
The cut through the door
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/3-18-2009pics013.jpg
The door reinstalled
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/3-18-2009pics015.jpg

More to come, Enjoy

[ironworks]

Once we had the car mocked up on the table at ride height we started mocking up the basics of the car to get and game plan for the floor and front suspension pickup points.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/shoppics5-19-2009004.jpg

Just a mock up engine we had laying around.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/shoppics6-9-2009027.jpg

We landed the engine where the bell housing line is even with the windshield wipers, if that gives you an idea of how far we set the engine back. About 4 inches. :D

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/shoppics6-9-2009025.jpg

[ironworks]

Then we started to lay out the design for the floor and how we would incorporate the suspension design for the pick up points into this. So we decided to build the main framerail structure inside the rocker to act as the frame rails that would go inside the Rocker and build low profile crossmembers that would be even with the bottom of the rocker. So nothing would hang below the rocker. Plus the design of these allows our floor to be 2" below the stock height of the original floor. Plus it will give us tons of lateral support and resist chassis flex. :thumbsup:

Paper mock up from the blue print printer.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/shoppics6-11-2009010.jpg

Crossmember jig fixture
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009030.jpg

Floor mocked up on table
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009041.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009044.jpg

Mocking up the Floor in the car
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009034.jpg

We should begin to start bending tubes and getting the lower suspension pick up points located in the next few weeks.

Enjoy

[awr68]

You guys do amazing work Rodger! Thanks for the update! What's the plans for the interior...Vette like?

[ironworks]

No idea on the interior not even a clue, YET. We are still working on the Suspension pick up points and push rod suspension designs.

[radrambler]

rodger

cool stuff...
is the exhaust going to run above the torque tube? because i see the extra space you built in above the torque tube and no other humps in the crossmembers .
you guys look busy..congrats :thumbsup:

tom

[ironworks]

Since the rocker taper wider to the front we just then plates the same width to trim to fit and they need to be set down. Man that would be a wall not a console if it was that high.

We are pretty busy, But everybody has less money to spend these days but they still have big dreams. So we have to work on more cars at one time to do the same dollar amount each month and the work on the cars gets done at the pace the customer money comes flowing in. We are lucky alot of people are choosing to have us do work on their cars, weather it is just certain aspects of Full tilt turn key builds. Work is work and we will do whatever it it takes.

Thanks

Rodger

[tones2SS]

Since the rocker taper wider to the front we just then plates the same width to trim to fit and they need to be set down. Man that would be a wall not a console if it was that high.

We are pretty busy, But everybody has less money to spend these days but they still have big dreams. So we have to work on more cars at one time to do the same dollar amount each month and the work on the cars gets done at the pace the customer money comes flowing in. We are lucky alot of people are choosing to have us do work on their cars, weather it is just certain aspects of Full tilt turn key builds. Work is work and we will do whatever it it takes.

Thanks

Rodger

That's great to hear Rodger. Glad you guys are staying steady with work.
That '69 is going to be one sick ride. The fabrication looks so amazing already! Keep us posted.:hail: :thumbsup:

[GMracer]

I love your work man, keep it up :thumbsup:
You're way of fabricating these chassis inspires my design aspects on my next chassis.

[Kendall Burleson]

Since the rocker taper wider to the front we just then plates the same width to trim to fit and they need to be set down. Man that would be a wall not a console if it was that high.

We are pretty busy, But everybody has less money to spend these days but they still have big dreams. So we have to work on more cars at one time to do the same dollar amount each month and the work on the cars gets done at the pace the customer money comes flowing in. We are lucky alot of people are choosing to have us do work on their cars, weather it is just certain aspects of Full tilt turn key builds. Work is work and we will do whatever it it takes.

Thanks

RodgerMan you are Killing me slowly. I like all your stuff KILLER:yes: ! Do you sleep with out of box thinking Great JOB I would like to have the stuff you throw in the scrap pile!

[ironworks]

Well Kendall my scarp guy gives me 600 bucks every other month for a big old dumpster of scarp metal. If you can beat that, the scrap metal is all yours.

You can ask anybody who knows me, I never ever stop thinking about design ideas and ways to run my business. I cannot fall asleep until Im just totally worn out at night. And now that we are working our summer schedule of 5am til quiting time I don't get out of here till 6:30 - 7pm just like winter time. Long days I suppose, But I could not imagine putting in this effort into something I did not "EAT, SLEEP, & BREATHE". We come in early due to the heat.

Rodger

[awr68]

Yeah those are some loooong days! Your bride must be pretty understanding! Good to hear all is well down there!! I think you and your team have a great attitude! :cheers:

[camaro2nv]

I cant wait to see this car done! You guys put a lot of care into the cars you build.

[dodge]

Looking forward to watching the progress on this build .I can never get enough of watching what all you guys on this forum do on a daily basis..Truly amazing stuff:thumbsup:

[Kendall Burleson]

Well Kendall my scarp guy gives me 600 bucks every other month for a big old dumpster of scarp metal. If you can beat that, the scrap metal is all yours.

You can ask anybody who knows me, I never ever stop thinking about design ideas and ways to run my business. I cannot fall asleep until Im just totally worn out at night. And now that we are working our summer schedule of 5am til quiting time I don't get out of here till 6:30 - 7pm just like winter time. Long days I suppose, But I could not imagine putting in this effort into something I did not "EAT, SLEEP, & BREATHE". We come in early due to the heat.

RodgerIT would cost me that must to get the scrap to Texas::) You are from the south you should ibe Heat harden are have you be on the west coast to long.I know you are just take it easy on your guys ( that the ticket!)Like I said GOOD JOB.:hail: :hail: :hail:

[nvr2fst]

I decided I wanted something a little different so after discussing this with Rodney the owner of RPM TRANSMISSIONS in Daleville, Indiana we decided to build a set up equivalent to the ZR1 with a couple of extras.

Tremec TR6060- ZR1 specified with RPM Stage V set up.
Full micropolish of all internal components, Cryogenically treated internals, modified 1 & 2 shift forks, bronze fork pads, extreme duty pump modification to improve cooling and fluid flow.

Differential- 3.42 Quaife equipped RPM Stage 3, full micropolish of gear set, hardened 300M left shaft modified to fit Quaife, hardened 300M 2piece right shaft, internal lube system modifications

[customcam]

Roger i was curious to see what sort of analysis you do on any of your chassis?
And if so, how do you go about it?

[ironworks]

Well It is not as glorified as you might think but it seems to work pretty well. I guess. I scratch the top of my head, then the right side of my belly button and then scratch my head again.

But I'm currently build 3 cars for 3 different mechanical engineers and I usually ask them what they think and do they see any weak points. The weak points get bigger diameter or thicker material. I guess just common sense and smart friends. Alot of my customers become involved in all the build in my shop in some way or another. A good majority of my customer eat sleep and breathe the build more then the actual end result just like me.

I'm actually looking at trying to higher a full time suspension designer with an engineering degree. He will be doing all the suspension design work with me after Columbus on this project. I just need to figure out how to swing that money.

Not sure if that answers your question or not.

[customcam]

No it doesnt
The thing is how do you know it works well, and if your improving on each set up you do? You know what im saying
Making it better each time round.

[XLexusTech]

Hey Rodger can you promise us one thing When TLC or some other show sees what you can do and offers you $$$ you don't turn into a freakshow like the rest.:thumbsup:

Seriously though I am going to go out on a limb ands say a Ridler is in the cards for you and your team someday:hail:

[ironworks]

Then what kind of Analysis are you talking? Stress analysis or suspension analysis? The stress analysis can be done through Solidworks. The suspension analysis we have been working with some engineers and just some smart guys I know. I have had some Hot Rod front suspension spec from some guys alot smarter then me and we have been running with those numbers. But we are now working to improve things even further then that.

Here is an email from some things we are looking into on the C5 suspension.

So I just got done running a few simulations with the C5 Corvette Hardpoints that you emailed to me. The only other thing that would be nice is if I had more accurate Anti Roll Bar hardpoints. Something I found over the past year is that in keeping those motion ratios linear, you can drastically improve the handling of the vehicle.


Some quick notes I have on the C5 chassis:


For Longitudinal Case (3 degrees pitch braking, 3" travel, then 3 degrees acceleration, 2" travel)


Camber looks very good in this situation, appears to be the main focus of this car.
Toe needs serious help - 1.3 degrees toe out in front under breaking (should toe in), rear stays within .7 degrees which isn't bad.
Track change isn't bad, the track increases on the side that's being loaded- good for stability.
Wheel/Shock Motion ratios look not too bad, but something that can be improved with rockers- also, can make them with a rising spring rate to help the car become stiffer as its loaded - all dependent on the springs though.
Roll Center height looks okay except for full breaking, it does go below ground. Having a Higher RCH would help this and can be done a number of ways, I'd be curious to see what happens in a C5 with you mash on the brakes all the way then cut the wheel...
Pitch center looks really good- migrates less than 13", less than 15% the wheelbase, it is pretty high though- probably to make the car more responsive under braking and accel without sacrificing ride characteristics...


Now for the Lateral Case - Go into a ~ 1.5 G turn (4 degree roll) and simultaneously turning the steering wheel 60 degrees.


Camber looks okay in the front - due to the similar amount of KPI and Castor, not much camber gain on the outside (.3 deg) so the can be improved a lot, just by adding a little bit of castor, but it all depends on what the tire wants, It may not be that camber sensitive in that case we shouldn't even look at camber.
Rear camber looks bad, depending on what the tire wants - outside wheel goes way positive (3 degrees) and inside goes way negative (-4 degrees) This is probably why I see a lot of people setting these cars up with so much negative camber in the rear. This can definitely be improved and make a huge difference on track.
Toe change is fairly mild- rear moves to create oversteering moment, front is pro ackerman with about 2 degrees difference - seems pretty good. Starts at about 103% and moves to 133% which makes sense if this car is running on radials.
Track change in rear is near nothing and okay in the front- could stand to go a bit wider under compression.
Roll center heights stay damn near the same in roll, and migration is 2 inches inside on the front and 2.4" inside in the rear (less than 4% the track width). This seems to be the large focus of the suspension design as this is what looks the best.


Overall I can see where these cars get their good handling characteristics, but there is a ton of things that can be done to improve it, from a kinematics perspective. I'm curious to see how this differs from the C6 setup and if they made any geometry changes for the ZR-1.


Let me know what you think.



Bobby Alley
Chief Engineer
Sooner Racing Team


So like I said, I may not be that smart but I know some guys who are. Someday we will be able to track test some of these projects and show beyond the drawing board the functionality that they work better then we can probably drive.

At the end of the day the best mod you can do to your suspension is put slicks on. All this time looking for the unicorn of suspension geometry perfection changes with every car. Plus is anybody on this site going to beat on their car enough to justify all the effort we put into geometry. Probably not, but it sure is fun.

Rodger

[customcam]

"Stress analysis or suspension analysis? The stress analysis can be done through Solidworks."
Your building Chassis man you should be doing every possible analysis that should be done. I know you CAN do things in Solidworks, but are you? And not just Frame rails...
You can only do with what you know.maybe when you finish Johns car you could do some proper testing which will give you real feedback on Street tyres
Im trying to figure out the product you offer and its benefits

[ironworks]

"Stress analysis or suspension analysis? The stress analysis can be done through Solidworks."
Your building Chassis man you should be doing every possible analysis that should be done. I know you CAN do things in Solidworks, but are you? And not just Frame rails...
You can only do with what you know.maybe when you finish Johns car you could do some proper testing which will give you real feedback on Street tyres
Im trying to figure out the product you offer and its benefits

I try to figure out the product we offer every day, and how to make it better then then the product we offered the day before. I would say by the amount of work we have in the shop, we must be doing something right. Because it certainly is not my good looks, that is for sure. :yes: :yes:

We are bunch of young guys trying everyday to build the baddest most functional stuff we can. The problem is it takes 1000's of hours to build a car to the level of some of these projects in our shop. I'm going to go out on a lib and guess that the clients we build cars for trust us and respect our knowledge and abilities. Are we the master of solidworks? Nope Do I know some guys who are? YEAH. Ever heard of MARS or an F-16? Did I ever claim to know it all? Nope. Could we improve on every trade done in my shop? I hope so or I have no reason to show up tommorrow.

Yes, we plan to test and tune Johns nova someday. But at the end of the day what will that prove? There are a ton of legendary cars built that have never proven or done anything to live up to the hipe or mythical legend the magazines created them to be. And tons have fallen on their face in front of God and everyone.


So let me ask what do you use for grammer check?
Thanks

:D

[nvr2fst]

No it doesnt
The thing is how do you know it works well, and if your improving on each set up you do? You know what im saying
Making it better each time round.

To make it better each time around you would have to do several duplicate chassis builds of the same function and car(C5 suspension, 4 link, watts, etc.) Is it in a camaro, truck, nova, cuda, etc. If you look at the projects Rodger has going on each one is designed differently for its purpose.
AS far as the 69, C6 IRS set up, we are talking new territory, most builds to date have been C5 based including the trans setup. When you take the C6 rear/trans combo all pick up points are different than C5 including track width, tranny mounting points, a arms, etc.

[GregWeld]

Rodger --

I don't care if this stuff ever gets tested! It's the baddest, koolest looking stuff going!

I have lots of tools - I sure wish I had the talent to use 'em like you guys do!

Best,
Greg Weld

[70rs]

:thumbsup: X2 What Greg said. Except I doubt I have as many tools......

The projects that come rolling out of your shop are inspiring to many. I don't know how hard any of these will ever be pushed or tested, but it really does not matter. If you are giving the customer what they want, that is the product you offer and the benefits are many. Keep it up!

[J2SpeedandCustom]

That is a great thought process for the frame and floors Rodger. What are you going to do for a hood, etc with the engine placement that high? The valve covers appear to be about even with the hood hinges! I can't wait to see this one transpire, like all the other projects in your shop. :yes:

[legend]

regarding stress calcs, current production cars have huge torsional rigidity, I wonder what these custome frame body combos work out at

found some figures online

Aston Martin DB9 Coupe 27,000 Nm/deg
Aston Martin DB9 Convertible 15,500 Nm/deg
Audi TT Coupe 19,000 Nm/deg
BMW E36 Touring 10,900 Nm/deg
BMW E36 Z3 5,600 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Sedan (w/o folding seats) 18,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Sedan (w/folding seats) 13,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Wagon (w/folding seats) 14,000 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Coupe (w/folding seats) 12,500 Nm/deg
BMW E46 Convertible 10,500 Nm/deg
Chrysler Crossfire 20,140 Nm/deg
Chrysler Durango 6,800 Nm/deg
Dodge Viper Coupe 7,600 Nm/deg
Ferrari 360 Spider 8,500 Nm/deg
Ford GT40 MkI 17,000 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang 2003 16,000 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang 2005 21,000 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang Convertible (2003) 4,800 Nm/deg
Ford Mustang Convertible (2005) 9,500 Nm/deg
Jaguar X-Type Sedan 22,000 Nm/deg
Jaguar X-Type Estate 16,319 Nm/deg
Lambo Murcielago 20,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Elan 7,900 Nm/deg
Lotus Elan GRP body 8,900 Nm/deg
Lotus Elise 10,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Elise 111s 11,000 Nm/deg
Lotus Esprit SE Turbo 5,850 Nm/deg
McLaren F1 13,500 Nm/deg
Mini (2003) 24,500 Nm/deg
Pagani Zonda C12 S 26,300 Nm/deg
Porsche 911 Turbo (2000) 13,500 Nm/deg
Porsche 959 12,900 Nm/deg
Volvo S60 20,000 Nm/deg

Rolls Royce Phantom: 40,000 Nm/deg
BMW E90: Supposedly 25% higher than E46, look above
Audi A2: 11900 Nm/deg
Audi A8: 25,000 Nm/deg
Audi TT: 10,000 Nm/deg (22Hz)
Golf V GTI: 25,000 Nm/deg
Ferrari 360: 1,474 kgm/degree (bending: 1,032 kg/mm)
Ferrari 355: 1,024 kgm/degree (bending: 727 kg/mm)
Ferrari 430: supposedly 20% higher than 360
Renault Sport Spider: 10,000 Nm/degree
Volvo S80: 18,600 Nm/deg
Koenigsegg CC-8: 28,100 Nm/deg
Porsche 911 Turbo 996: 27,000 Nm/deg
Porsche 911 Turbo 996 Convertible: 11,600 Nm/deg
Lotus Elise S2 Exige (2004): 10,500 Nm/deg
Volkswagen Fox: 17,941 Nm/deg
BMW Z4: 14,500 Nm/deg
Ferrari F50: 34,600 Nm/deg
Lambo Gallardo: 23000 Nm/deg
Ford GT: 27,100 Nm/deg
Mazda Rx-8: 30,000 Nm/deg :eyepop: (hard to believe)
Mazda Rx-7: ~15,000 Nm/deg

be fun to rig up some tests

the really high end stuff is all over 20,000Nm/deg

[ironworks]

That is a great thought process for the frame and floors Rodger. What are you going to do for a hood, etc with the engine placement that high? The valve covers appear to be about even with the hood hinges! I can't wait to see this one transpire, like all the other projects in your shop. :yes:



The engine seems high when you take a 1" wedge out of the body and set the rocker to 5" of ground clearance. The transalxe is actually rotated to 1 degree dowm hill to lower the front center of gravity. With a rear spindle center of a 20" rim of course the transaxle will be higher then normal.

We have some pretty slick ideas on the hood, If it is not obvious this car will be pretty custom. Reshaped fenders, reshaped tailpanel, Reshaped roof skin, Shortened nose. I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve on this car.

See ya in Columbus.

[ironworks]

Rodger --

I don't care if this stuff ever gets tested! It's the baddest, koolest looking stuff going!

I have lots of tools - I sure wish I had the talent to use 'em like you guys do!

Best,
Greg Weld

Thanks Greg, You have some pretty slick stuff yourself buddy.

Rodger

[tjbruning]

Dave, awesome build - about time you/Ironworks posted up. Were you originally going to have a shop in the midwest build the car (Perfection Auto or...)? Looks like you're in good hands now...

:cool:

[nvr2fst]

Dave, awesome build - about time you/Ironworks posted up. Were you originally going to have a shop in the midwest build the car (Perfection Auto or...)? Looks like you're in good hands now...

:cool:
Did I say this was my car? Just kidding TJ.
The car was at Perfection Autosport at the beginning getting certain items done. They also took care of eliminating my nice shade of yellow by the process of chemical acid dipping and ecoated some parts to date.
I contacted Rodger about 4 months ago and started prepping for delievery and 2 months of me and Rodger throwing our ideas back and forth, to finally shipping the body to him.
Ill see ya in Columbus.
Dave

[nvr2fst]

That is a great thought process for the frame and floors Rodger. What are you going to do for a hood, etc with the engine placement that high? The valve covers appear to be about even with the hood hinges! I can't wait to see this one transpire, like all the other projects in your shop. :yes:

Jeff, the LSX is Rodgers we are using it for mock up until I ship him my motor, but I may wait on something I little more exotic. For now I have a forged bottom ls7 prepped by IPS motorsports in Columbus Ohio

[customcam]

ROnworks, indirectly you've answered my question. Thank you

[HWY Nova]

Floor mocked up on table
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009041.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009044.jpg

Mocking up the Floor in the car
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics6-30-2009034.jpg



I like the floor layout! Very progressive and well thought out. I can't wait to see it fully mounted in the car.

Tucking the exhaust in the tunnel below the torque tube will give your Camaro an AWESOME side profile...... no visible headers!


--Eric

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Jeff, the LSX is Rodgers we are using it for mock up until I ship him my motor, but I may wait on something I little more exotic. For now I have a forged bottom ls7 prepped by IPS motorsports in Columbus Ohio

Dave, with how cool this car is and the level your taking it I like a V10 Lambo, Porsche, or BMW motor...Can you imagine seeing this baby rolling down the street and then hearing that V10 roar!!! Oh my I just got goose bumps. :unibrow:

[HWY Nova]

Dave, with how cool this car is and the level your taking it I like a V10 Lambo, Porsche, or BMW motor...Can you imagine seeing this baby rolling down the street and then hearing that V10 roar!!! Oh my I just got goose bumps. :unibrow:

J2SpeedandCustom: You are on to something here!!!!!......


--Eric

[nvr2fst]

Whoa! You guys are thinking out of the box more than I am.
Sorry Jeff, my definition of exotic was still LS based, maybe LS9, tom nelson engine, etc. But that would be trick though. Are you aware of the cost of a Lambo v10, ouch!

[68RS350]

The engine seems high when you take a 1" wedge out of the body and set the rocker to 5" of ground clearance. The transalxe is actually rotated to 1 degree dowm hill to lower the front center of gravity. With a rear spindle center of a 20" rim of course the transaxle will be higher then normal.

We have some pretty slick ideas on the hood, If it is not obvious this car will be pretty custom. Reshaped fenders, reshaped tailpanel, Reshaped roof skin, Shortened nose. I have quite a few tricks up my sleeve on this car.

See ya in Columbus.

Currently I am building a 68 with C5 full suspension. I am trying to build everything to be flush or even than the rocker panels. I sent you a PM a week or so ago and you said you rotated the engine down 1 degree. I am in the process of doing that but I was wondering what motor and oil pan combo you would be running. I have a F-Body oil pan and it with the motor level the front of the oil pan is lower than the rear of the pan. I believe this is because the motor does not sit level in the F-bodies. It I rotate it forward I think the oil would flow away from the pick up. Any thoughts on that or what oil pan options or are you gonna custom make one.

[ironworks]

If you drive uphill on a 1 degree incline at all times, it will never have a problem.

:D :D :D

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Whoa! You guys are thinking out of the box more than I am.
Sorry Jeff, my definition of exotic was still LS based, maybe LS9, tom nelson engine, etc. But that would be trick though. Are you aware of the cost of a Lambo v10, ouch!

Dave how many times are you going to build a custom 69 Camaro? Once right. So you might as well make it the best you can... :yes:

I'm sure you can get a crashed lambo, bmw, porsche for a good deal....right? ;)

[gearheads78]

Nice work once again. To add to Greg's comment...I wish I had 1/2 the tools and 1/2 the talent you have Roger. I learn something each time I open a thread of yours. :yes:

[ironworks]

Nice work once again. To add to Greg's comment...I wish I had 1/2 the tools and 1/2 the talent you have Roger. I learn something each time I open a thread of yours. :yes:



Thanks so much, but it is a total team effort around here. Everyone has there own set of skills and we constantly sharpen those skills to improve on each and every project.

Thanks again

[WILWAXU]

Great looking stuff. Post LOTS of pictures :)

[tones2SS]

Thanks so much, but it is a total team effort around here. Everyone has there own set of skills and we constantly sharpen those skills to improve on each and every project.

Thanks again

It shows. You guys do great work. Keep it up.:thumbsup:

[E.rodz]

love the build so far, keep up the good work and keep the hot rod dream alive.what intake runners are you running?

[ironworks]

Good monday morning, I have few pics of the floor mocked up in the car. You can see the beginning of the tubing getting slid through the holes and bent and fit into poistion. We hope to finalize the front suspension pick up points this week to get to cutting the front cradle and really start with the tubing lay out. In the pics you can see the openings in the floor for the billet floor panels that will go in the car. I plan to incorporate things like the mounting bosses for the seat and pedals into the top side of the billet plates.



http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics7-15-2009007.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics7-15-2009008.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/Shoppics7-15-2009009.jpg

Thanks

[GregWeld]

I want to go back to sleep and wake up with some skills!

Killer Roger... just killer.
:hail: :hail:

[tones2SS]

I want to go back to sleep and wake up with some skills!

Killer Roger... just killer.
:hail: :hail:

LOL!!!!!!:rofl:
Only if it were that easy!! lol I agree Greg. Great work Roger & crew!:cheers:

[ProTour69GTO]

Beautiful work

Edit. The door mod is that an idea or are you guys going to do it?

[camaro2nv]

Beautiful work

Edit. The door mod is that an idea or are you guys going to do it?

I was going to try that. Oh well:cheers:

[ironworks]

There are a ton of body mods on this car, not too much will be left undone. Wait till you see the front and rear fenders.....

[Garage Dog 65]

Ok, I'll wonder out loud - how you gonna get the shifter rod to the transaxle ? Those support hoops are tight down onto the torque tube. Master Shift actuator, notch the hoop or some other trick up your sleeve.

Looks great and love the idea of the billet floor panels !

[ironworks]

The plan is to locate the crossmembers as you see and then go to a shift cable. The steel rod that comes out of the trans moves around a lot and if I use a 1/2 or 3/4" cable I can accomplish the same thing. But we will run a long piece of tubing forward to the shifter ( We have to locate the notch in each one since it changes rotational position as it goes forward ). The trans does not know if it is being shifted by a long rod or a stout cable, as long as it will roll and move back and forth. We are doing alot of cars with the cable after fighting the bent rod that swings wildly in a trans tunnel and has to have a bigger trans tunnel.

The crossmembers will come out of the car a few more times to get everything like we want. As we work on the shifter we will also be fitting the air jacks.... OH did I say that out loud?

[Smitty67]

Incredible craftsmanship.

[Garage Dog 65]

Great idea ! (one that I will certainly steal for my build ! )

I'll be watching.

[jcal87]

If I ever run into loads of cash I know where I'll be sending my car:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Whoa! You guys are thinking out of the box more than I am.
Sorry Jeff, my definition of exotic was still LS based, maybe LS9, tom nelson engine, etc. But that would be trick though. Are you aware of the cost of a Lambo v10, ouch!

Keep it American and still go exotic..a Falconer V-12. :cool:

[ironworks]

The floor is looking really good. We have been fine tuning the suspension Geometry in the Optimum G with Bobby Alley. We located the Front bar and have begun to design the Lower control arm pick Up points in Solidworks. We are going to have to modify the Trans axle mount on the Rear diff to clear the Lower control arms with the instant center angle the lower control arm create.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009001.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009002.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009005.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009003.jpg

[70rs]

Looking good Rodger! It should handle like a dream with the better wieght distribution and IRS. Keep the updates coming please.

[tones2SS]

WOW!!
Looking good Roger.:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Thats sweet.

[brian mc]

I'm really blown away by this floor/frame design! i think the only way it could be sicker is if it were removable. The chassis would be in more mags then "Black Gold"

[GMracer]

I love your work man :thumbsup:

[mrr1999]

Incredible work! Keep the pics coming.

[ZMAN1969]

now that's what I call Radical! :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

This is the Solidworks modeled floor section coming togther, getting ready to pull the trigger to get the car caught up with this. The Front cradle is kicking my ass and we will have to machine the rear transaxle mounts off the diff for the desired track width, But all is well.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/juliusfloorassembly8-4-2009.jpg

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Rodger is getting good with his etch a sketch..Not bad at all










junk...lol

[ProTour69GTO]

Wow you guys do killer work I cant get enough of it. I want to see more!

[ironworks]

How about this, just trying to get thing landed to design everything like we have.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/juliusfrontclip.jpg



Thanks

[LowchevyII]

man that thing is amazing. i cant wait to see more pictures and solid works renderings. :thumbsup:

[SWAPMEETCRAZY]

This is the Solidworks modeled floor section coming togther, getting ready to pull the trigger to get the car caught up with this. The Front cradle is kicking my ass and we will have to machine the rear transaxle mounts off the diff for the desired track width, But all is well.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/juliusfloorassembly8-4-2009.jpg

Now I know why you were at the shop at 5:45 this morning!!!! LOL
The check has left for the synister setup!!! jim :hail: :hail:

[ironworks]

Thanks Jim, Eric is the brains behind this. Eric has taught me alot about Solidworks and I can tell you there is more coming.

Thanks

Rodger

[Kendall Burleson]

How about this, just trying to get thing landed to design everything like we have.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/juliusfrontclip.jpg

Chevrolet has sent us a bunch of Solidworks Drawings lately, Suspension, LS7, Torque tube, and rear diff. It is going to get interesting really soon.

Thanks
I built that lower crossmember(C5) for one of my projects and ran into a couple of problems that I could not use the cross member 1. I couldn't get the engine low enough in the chassis to clear the hood. 2.the engine was moved so far back that the balancer would hit on the front of the cross member and the engine location would upset the balance of the car.

[ironworks]

This pic is no where near the final design. Just a brain storming session. I have some idea for the firewall and cradle we will incorporate here soon. Just thought I would show you what we have going on.

[Kendall Burleson]

This pic is no where near the final design. Just a brain storming session. I have some idea for the firewall and cradle we will incorporate here soon. Just thought I would show you what we have going on.Cool Just some food for the mine,More pics.:hail: :hail:

[ironworks]

We took some Inspiration from The war project and make some recess pockets into the trans tunnel. The front and rear crossmembers have been tack and landed and the plates have been fit to the main tubes. Plus in the back of the dark pictures you will see the start of the tubes for the Airjack.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009205.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009206.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsAugust2009207.jpg

You will also see the modified rear transaxle mounts.

[GregWeld]

OMG !! It just doesn't get any better than that!!
:woot: :woot:

[HWY Nova]

OMG !! It just doesn't get any better than that!!




Greg,

If you like what you see so far, stay tuned. There is so much more to come!


--Eric

[GregWeld]

Greg,

If you like what you see so far, stay tuned. There is so much more to come!


--Eric


Eric --

I've been trying to talk the wife into letting me move to Bakersfield... so I can sweep the floor and go'fer parts etc (for FREE) for a year or so... just so I could hang out with you guys!!

LOL

Since I want to upgrade my current trailer to that 44' ATC gooseneck with the 14' living quarters... marble floors and granite counters - Plasma screen tv and A/C "anyway".... so my living costs (after I pizz away 90K for the upgrade) would be "food" it wouldn't hardly cost her a thing. After all... you have to eat no matter where you are... and I wouldn't have any travel expenses with living right there out back! :unibrow: :woot:

[HWY Nova]

Eric --

I've been trying to talk the wife into letting me move to Bakersfield... so I can sweep the floor and go'fer parts etc (for FREE) for a year or so... just so I could hang out with you guys!!




I actually live in Santa Ynez (near Santa Barbara). I am a customer of Rodger's, but that customer/builder relationship has turned into an awesome friendship. He and I have the same passion for cars!!!!...... but he gets to live it everyday. Someday soon (and it can't come soon enough) I'll be doing design work with Rodger on a daily basis.

Believe me, there is NOT a shortage of ideas for these cars! There are so many more things that we want to do. Rodger has an awesome crew, and there are more people waiting in the wings.


--Eric

[tones2SS]

OMG !! It just doesn't get any better than that!!
:woot: :woot:

You said it bud!!!:thumbsup:

[nvr2fst]

The air jacks are courteously provided by Leighton Reese. Leighton has designed and built custom racing parts and cars for years. He is best known for his Banner Racing team in the Speed World Challenge, Grand American Road Racing and at least 60 Trans Am series. When I originally contacted him and told him I wanted to set this up for a 69 camaro he was all over it and I plan on working with Leighton in the future on other parts and track testing.
If anybody is interested heres the link.
http://www.airjax.com/

Leighton also owns Leighton's Garage serving the Minneapolis/St Paul area.

[texas56]

Lost For Words!:bow: :bow:

[ironworks]

Well I guess this post is about due for some updates.

We are going to town on the rollcage, You will notice we notched the body to suck the rollcage into the quarter panel even further. We rolled the rear down bars and those will land in the wheel tub support that will go out to the tail panel. We have been working on some things like removing all the interior structure and prepping to build that structure to our taste. We have some tubes out to the rear tailpan and just working to locating everything. Enjoy the pics.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009067.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009068.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009071.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009065.jpg


Just to be clear the "dirt track","Max Max" window cages will not be staying. We used that for the exterior structure to support the body as we removed the interior structure. Spot weld after spot weld.

[brian mc]

"Max Max"? is that a new Mel Gibson movie?

[71RS/SS396]

"Just to be clear the "dirt track","Max Max" window cages will not be staying. We used that for the exterior structure to support the body as we removed the interior structure. Spot weld after spot weld"

Damn Rodger, I kinda of like the industrial feel it gives the build! :lol: And it could double as a visor to keep the sun out of your eyes!

[ironworks]

"Just to be clear the "dirt track","Max Max" window cages will not be staying. We used that for the exterior structure to support the body as we removed the interior structure. Spot weld after spot weld"

Damn Rodger, I kinda of like the industrial feel it gives the build! :lol: And it could double as a visor to keep the sun out of your eyes!


You know if there ever was a New Max movie and OCC built a Theme camaro you know those would be on there.

[legend]

looks great so far guys, love the roll cage pushed out to the edges.

[68RS350]

Looking at the first pictures with the bent tube going inside the middle of the rear lower control arm. Is that how you guys are looking to put that in? It kinda looks like the control arm will hit the tube when the moves through the suspension travel?

[ironworks]

Looking at the first pictures with the bent tube going inside the middle of the rear lower control arm. Is that how you guys are looking to put that in? It kinda looks like the control arm will hit the tube when the moves through the suspension travel?

We are only expecting 3" of uptravel in the suspension at the spindle so in order to contact that tube it would have to move about 10". The tire would hit the package tray before the control arm hits the tube.

[tones2SS]

Very nice guys!
Both the '67 and '69 are going to be killer looking cars.:thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Awesome work .

[notorious1970]

That is looking good. Met the owner at goodguys joliet, good luck with it. Ill be checking to see the progress.
-d

[waynieZ]

This is such a sweet project.

[ironworks]

Well we have the main section for the halo of the rollcage wrapped up. We have began boxing the rear wheel tub structure and the rear crossmember to go behind the diff of the transaxle. Things should go pretty fast this week in the the rear.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009138.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009141.jpg

[HWY Nova]

Well we have the main section for the halo of the rollcage wrapped up. We have began boxing the rear wheel tub structure and the rear crossmember to go behind the diff of the transaxle. Things should go pretty fast this week in the the rear.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009138.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009141.jpg

Looking good Dave (and Rodger)!!!!!


--Eric

[ironworks]

Some pics to give you the idea of what we are going for.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/juliusfloorassembly8-4-2009-1.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009144.jpg

The trunk floor transition

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009145.jpg

There will be a plate welded onto the side of the Hoop for the rear section of the cage to land onto. There will also be a mount to brace up the trunk hinge bracing for the trunk hinges. We are working on the rear crossmember to fit into behing the differental to hold the diff and also spread out to this hoop for the rocker system for the shocks and the upper control arm mounts. Complicated, YES, but it all works in my head I just need to make it work in Solidworks.

Thanks for checking it out.

[tones2SS]

Man, that is impressive. AWESOME WORK!:thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Ok so we have been working to tie the rollcage into the rear of the car. We had decided to incorporate the wheel tubs into some structure in the car. We started the plates that come off the wheel tub hoops we made. The is some massive structure I'm trying to figure out in my head that will go in between the wheel tubs to hold the suspension and cantilever rear suspension.

Well you can see the start of the plates. It is very tight under the package tray and it took quite a bit of work to get everything togther to land the tubing at the right spot. The plat has a hole in the bottom and the tube will be capped and welded flush on the bottom. Then we will box the plate sticking off the wheel tub hoop and box the top, so the tub goes through and welds to both plates. COMPRENDE????

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009079.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009081.jpg

You can also see the mock up control arms we built to get a space relationship of where everything fits to lay out what plates need to where in the rear. We had Bobby Alley lay out the improve suspension geometry for us n this project. So if your familiar with C6 geometry you might notice some instant center changes and some camber gain changes. Plus both arms are longer then stock. We also need to optimise the ball joint angle to the static ride height. Things are progressing.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009083.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsSeptember2009084.jpg

[MtotheIKEo]

DO you guys make your own a-arm cross bars (chassis side mount, I dont know the technical name) or do you buy them somewhere?

[ironworks]

We buy the Delrin Bushings and Crossshafts from Global West.

If that answers your question

[B_Alley]

I must say, that's gotta be the sweetest suspension I've ever seen on one of these cars! :D

[Cris@JCG]

Any updates Roger?? :D

[Bow Tie 67]

Wow outside the box, I like it. What are your thoughts on keeping total vehicle weight in check?

[ironworks]

It should not weight much over 3000 lbs depending on interior materials selection.

I will see what I can do for an update pretty soon.

[ProTour69GTO]

Updates? I know iv been waiting

[ironworks]

We are working on some body mods. Don't want to give it all away, but I will say I like it.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009025.jpg

More to come, soon.

Rodger

[J2SpeedandCustom]

That's going to look really cool extenting the body down the door. How much wider is the front fender looks like about 2 inchish... :thumbsup:

[bentfab]

Yo Roger,

Are you widening the sheet metal so the wheels will turn? I think you said before that this car will have no bags on it ?

Mark

[ironworks]

Yo Roger,

Are you widening the sheet metal so the wheels will turn? I think you said before that this car will have no bags on it ?

Mark

Bent - We widened the fenders to be able to turn 285's and for the look. We are really trying to refine the design of one of the most popular cars.

J2speed
1.5" wider at the fender lips per side
1" wedge section
5" ride height
19" front wheel with a 285 front tire

plus few move cuts and slices here and there.

Some pics taken last night after work.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009034.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009035.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009038.jpg

[bentfab]

Bad A$$ !!!!

[War]

Looks good Rodger, like the front armored windshield.

[tones2SS]

Amazing work Rodger!!:thumbsup:
Shop looks nice and clean as well.

[GregWeld]

Looks good Rodger, like the front armored windshield.


Rogers building "Mad Max.... the Return of the gas wars"


:rofl:

[MtotheIKEo]

We buy the Delrin Bushings and Crossshafts from Global West.

If that answers your question

Yep, thanks. Very interesting project

[Garage Dog 65]

19" front wheel with a 285 front tire



DUDE - Those go in the BACK !!

:thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

Roger - you guy's are insane and i look forward to all of your posts

okay found this on accident yesterday

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150388723352&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

[Swain]

Lookin good :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Roger - you guy's are insane and i look forward to all of your posts

okay found this on accident yesterday

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150388723352&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Man that camaro is awesome, But I think it needs mud tires.

Thanks

[Al Moreno]

Nice work Roger, it looks very stylish. Looking forward to this build.

Through us a bone every once and awhile.

[GMracer]

that looks badass! :thumbsup:

[Kendall Burleson]

Are you going to have windshield made for it?what project is that in the background?

[nvr2fst]

Are you going to have windshield made for it?what project is that in the background?

At this point the only thing I can tell you is that the windshield will be flush mount fit, but done a little different than most.

[ironworks]

Are you going to have windshield made for it?what project is that in the background?

I working on getting that Impala on our website today. We are just doing the interior and under hood sheetmetal work. It sits really nice with a big block.

[Matt@BOS]

Looks like it is destined for some kind of post apocalyptic action movie right now.

I just have to say, I really like what you guys have done with the body so far. I'm generally a fan of keeping things somewhat subtle so I was amazed at how you decided to flare the quarters, and extend everything into the doors to keep the proportions relatively stock looking. I'm sure when it is done there will people picking this car out of the crowd of 69 Camaros thinking that it is coolest/most badass, yet having no idea why. You've got a lot of cool ideas coming together here.

More pictures please :thumbsup:

Matt

[ironworks]

Looks like it is destined for some kind of post apocalyptic action movie right now.

I just have to say, I really like what you guys have done with the body so far. I'm generally a fan of keeping things somewhat subtle so I was amazed at how you decided to flare the quarters, and extend everything into the doors to keep the proportions relatively stock looking. I'm sure when it is done there will people picking this car out of the crowd of 69 Camaros thinking that it is coolest/most badass, yet having no idea why. You've got a lot of cool ideas coming together here.

More pictures please :thumbsup:

Matt

Thanks I appreciate the compliment, We aim to improve and hopefully raise the bar.

Enjoy
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009039.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009043.jpg
Some shots of the rear suspension coming togther
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009056.jpg

[War]

Yeah... I guess it looks alright..... If your into that kind of thing( notice the pause on the delivery Roger) Oh and I almost forgot.....:thumbsup:

I vote to just leave the windshield buck and add some diamond plate and gun slits

[ironworks]

Yeah... I guess it looks alright..... If your into that kind of thing( notice the pause on the delivery Roger) Oh and I almost forgot.....:thumbsup:

I vote to just leave the windshield buck and add some diamond plate and gun slits

I would Jason but, I don't want to be the guy who copied all of your fresh ideas.

Thanks buddy, your car is looking too buddies.

Rodger

[Kendall Burleson]

Thanks I appreciate the compliment, We aim to improve and hopefully raise the bar.

Enjoy
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009039.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009043.jpg
Some shots of the rear suspension coming togther
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009056.jpg

Are those air jacks and are you using compressed air to rise the car or comperssor?the bar is getting higher.:cool: :cool:

[HWY Nova]

Rodger,

Dave's Camaro is looking great. I was just at your shop a week ago.... amazing progress!!


Dave,

Are you out there? I'm jealous...... I love these mods!!!! This is one awesome Camaro. I'm looking forward to seeing the rear quarter-panel mods.



--Eric

[tones2SS]

VERY NICE!!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Kendall Burleson]

Rodge will you have the 69 ready for SEMA?I know your shop is full of work customer come first.:yes: :yes:

[ironworks]

Rodge will you have the 69 ready for SEMA?I know your shop is full of work customer come first.:yes: :yes:

That's all up to the customer, But trying to make SEMA with this car next year could be difficult. I have a few other cars coming together and I'm hoping to land at SEMA next year. We will see how things go.

Rodger

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Those Fenders Are Frickin Bad A$$

[HWY Nova]

Those Fenders Are Frickin Bad A$$

...and that's HUGE coming from an interior guy!!!!


--Eric

[DOOM]

Roger what is the tubing for on the windshield opening??

[ironworks]

We removed the Entire inner structure from the Body. The inside quarter panels, the inside of the sail panels and almost everything else and I did not want anything to move. By putting the structure on the outside we can have more work to work inside the car. Basically all we have there is the Rockers, Quarters, and roof with out any inside structure. We will be cutting the roof skin off the car to incorporate some design ideas and need everything to stay put.

And so people would ask if we were building this for MAD MAX 3. :D

[J2SpeedandCustom]

[QUOTE=ironworks;249673We will be cutting the roof Sin off the car to incorporate some design ideas and need everything to stay put.[/QUOTE]

I know you just want to put that Fast and Furious hood scoop on this car don't ya??? :lol:

Or since it's going to sit so low are you going to have helmet humps.... :thumbsup:

[War]

Those fenders came out very nice.:thumbsup:

[HWY Nova]

Or since it's going to sit so low are you going to have helmet humps.... :thumbsup:



Now there's an idea!!!!......



--Eric

[Teetoe_Jones]

Hate it, hate you, hate your couch, your truck is dumb, can't stand your glasses.

Also you are too short to build cool cars.

Tyler

[Vegas69]

:rofl: :rofl:

[syborg tt]

Man that camaro is awesome, But I think it needs mud tires.

Thanks


LOL - that is exactly what i thought - plus I would hate to try to work on the engine. It almost needs a engine cover like in a van.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Hate it, hate you, hate your couch, your truck is dumb, can't stand your glasses.

Also you are too short to build cool cars.

Tyler

That's funny

[syborg tt]

Or since it's going to sit so low are you going to have helmet humps.... :thumbsup:



I digging the idea of Helmet humbs - maybe even lambo doors

[syborg tt]

Okay real question - what is the plan for the hood / engine clearence

[HWY Nova]

- maybe even lambo doors

NO, Marty!.... No. No. No.


--Eric

[ironworks]

AHHHHH..... Good thing Daves out of town and away from the Computer..

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009005.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Rodger

[radrambler]

wtf?


tom

[COYBILT]

AHHHHH..... Good think Daves out of town and away from the Computer..

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009005.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Rodger

OMG, what did you do!!!!

JK

[ironworks]

We just cut the back off. That all nothing big....

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009008.jpg

[GregWeld]

It takes a real man to cut up a real car!! :rofl: :rofl:

[Cris@JCG]

Can't wait to see why the hell Rodger did this for! :thumbsup:

AHHHHH..... Good thing Daves out of town and away from the Computer..

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009005.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Rodger

[RECOVERY ROOM]

I know why..his meds havn't kicked in........poor car

[Kendall Burleson]

Rodge has a vision that the nomal being will never see.the out side of the box we can not get there. killer work well done love your vision:hail: :hail:

[syborg tt]

looks like a nice straight cut if you ask me. Are you going to make it removable for easy service. :unibrow: :unibrow: :unibrow:

AHHHHH..... Good thing Daves out of town and away from the Computer..

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009005.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Rodger

[ccracin]

I hear he is grafting a Gremlin rear on! :_paranoid Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be cool.

[tones2SS]

Rodge has a vision that the nomal being will never see.the out side of the box we can not get there. killer work well done love your vision:hail: :hail:

I agree Kendall.:thumbsup:

[nvr2fst]

Are those air jacks and are you using compressed air to rise the car or comperssor?the bar is getting higher.:cool: :cool:

Yes Sir Kendall, The air will be supplied from a mock up nitrous bottle. The car sits so low I wanted to be able to change tires effortlessly. In short, its the most expensive "floor jack" I ever had to buy LOL

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Just think how cool you will look changing tires tho.

[nvr2fst]

AHHHHH..... Good thing Daves out of town and away from the Computer..

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009005.jpg

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Rodger

So I decided to head out to LA and take a nice scenic drive heading north to visit Rodger. (Talk about a distance to drive to no mans land let alone fly in from Wisconsin.) First, because I needed to see the car and the photos were not giving me the perspective I visioned. Second, we needed to really sit down and go over all of whats been happening and whats to to come. Not much to do in good ole Bakersfield but with all the projects going on there it kept me pretty occupied viewing everything. So we spend the morning going over everything and come up with a couple of last minute ideas that at the moment was reluctant on and then Rodger takes me to lunch and this is what I came back to! (Rodger been saying TRUST ME for the last couple of months but this is out of line LOL) Soon you will see why he did what he did.
There has been so many camaros over the years that have had every mod to mankind and you really need to spend the time and design a car that is different than most without effecting the overall 69 look. Rodger so far has come through with every aspect of the notes and photo ideas Ive been sending him. Ive had my share of restored and slightly modified cars over the years but I still never had that all out, out of the box build. Some will hate it and some will love it but in the long run its my car and my decision.

[ironworks]

Maybe they will figure out what we did by the project name.

"EL CAMARO"

[GregWeld]

Since the car is in California...

It would have to be "EL Camaro Real"

Pronounced RE AL for you non-Best Coasters. LOL

[syborg tt]

Marty and Jeff- The helmet humps in the roof would only be for Rodger! On a good day Im lucky if Im 5"9. Marty NO NO NO there will be no lambo doors although I seen enough of them in Beverly Hills these last two days

pretty please - i think it would look cool

[Kendall Burleson]

Becareful what you say because some body will believe you (EL Camaro only in Texas) their are about half a doz here.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[brian mc]

We just cut the back off. That all nothing big....

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsNovember2009008.jpg

this is shaping up to be the baddest, most radical (but subtle), most engineered Camaro ever. I am glad to bear witness to this machine coming together & hope "nvr2fst" can keep this up cause it's gonna be SIC......
i like the mounts for the LCA's, waterjet brackets & clean a$$ tig welds classic Ironworks style.

[GregWeld]

There will be so many hours of TIG welding in this build - that a guy could start out a beginner and end up teaching TIG as a college course! :rofl:

[ironworks]

this is shaping up to be the baddest, most radical (but subtle), most engineered Camaro ever. I am glad to bear witness to this machine coming together & hope "nvr2fst" can keep this up cause it's gonna be SIC......
i like the mounts for the LCA's, waterjet brackets & clean a$$ tig welds classic Ironworks style.

Thanks Brian, it's pretty nice for a Camaro I suppose. :D

Maybe Truck of the Year, if we put a bed floor in the EL CAMARO....

[DFRESH]

Dave, you have got to be pumped. I love those fenders---that looks awesome--never thought a "flared" (if that's what the kids are calling it these days) fender belonged on these cars--yours looks right. Props to Rodger for being able to handle a drag radial car build in his past, and something like this. Geez, in Bakersfield of all places---well, let's face it, what else is there to do in Bakersfield anyways? :lol:

Looks so good man---now, let's talk about paint color here---cause I am not going to go back an read the entire thread again---talk to you soon

Doug

[TOM NELSON]

Rodger I'd like to tell you thank you for letting us watch along your builds .People who live and sleep there passion cannot but help inspire others and your work has inspiried me to push to a new level.We are currently building a mid engine all wheel drive 67 Gto which i modeled the chassis and suspension first in solidworks and its because of your work threw the years i went for it. Thanks and keep doing what your doing,But stop for a minute once and awhile and realize and be proud of what you've accomplished.Keep up the awesome stuff Tom

[novanutcase]

Rodger I'd like to tell you thank you for letting us watch along your builds .People who live and sleep there passion cannot but help inspire others and your work has inspiried me to push to a new level.We are currently building a mid engine all wheel drive 67 Gto which i modeled the chassis and suspension first in solidworks and its because of your work threw the years i went for it. Thanks and keep doing what your doing,But stop for a minute once and awhile and realize and be proud of what you've accomplished.Keep up the awesome stuff Tom

Couldn't have said it better myself.....

When I first started my build with Rodger he was in his old location. I don't think he really realizes how far he's come since then. I guess it's hard to stand back and appreciate what you've done when you're so busy trying to push the envelope all the time!!:cheers:

John

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Thanks Brian, it's pretty nice for a Camaro I suppose. :D

Maybe Truck of the Year, if we put a bed floor in the EL CAMARO....

Why not,They wouldn't let you have it with a real truck:D

[nvr2fst]

Thanks Guys,
Your responses in regards to Rodgers passion for building cars are definitely correct. I felt that even more when I went down there the last couple of days and needed that so called confidence. He takes these ideas I have and just puts them in a whole new perspective. We have to also keep in mind, recognition to his employees and Eric helping out with solid works.

Several key aspects Rodger does caught my attention at the beginning to bring my car to him as I posted in the beginning of the thread. But one thing that stood out the most was Johns Nova. As I lurked at the process of Johns car being created the more I felt this was the guy. Since then there's been several times I questioned him (yes Im a pain in the @#^! and I give him a lot of headaches) but it all seems to come together a day or so later.

We have discussed the issue on posting photos on this forum and others for the reasoning of there's just two many elements taken from one to another plus I wanted to keep a couple things under wraps. If you look at a lot of the last major builds finished, most of the cars weren't posted till the end for most likely that reasoning. So, what we are going to try and do is post up as much info as possible to certain aspects of the car. Rodger mentioned that most individuals wont cut the back of a car off so whats the big deal LOL. I have several documented pictures that are years old, so if something looks familiar as we go along... sorry somebody just beat us applying it to metal.
This is not a car thats going to be done in a quick amount of time. One, each part of the car needs to be designed to come together as a whole without destroying the overall look and Two is funds, this is not a cheap build and there is not an open check book as some may think. I bust my a!! in this economy everyday to enjoy things I work for. So if this projects gets held up briefly or longer than expected its most likely on my part, so no need to post whats going on. If somethings happening Rodger will post. Family first, then business, then car.

Hopefully we can get back on track on posting as a build thread to what makes Ironworks- Ironworks. So far Rodger has done a great job at photo docs and will try to give as much explanation with it. Lateral G has been a great site to belong to and I thank Scott and Jody for having a forum site that gives these builders a great place to show there work.
Dave

[GregWeld]

Nice post Dave...

Good info -- straight up -- no BS. I like it!

I was dumbfounded when I saw what Roger and crew are building... way kool stuff. And you're right! This kind of a build isn't pocket change!

Love it. Thanks!

:hail: :hail:

[DFRESH]

Thanks Guys,
Your responses in regards to Rodgers passion for building cars are definitely correct. I felt that even more when I went down there the last couple of days and needed that so called confidence. He takes these ideas I have and just puts them in a whole new perspective. We have to also keep in mind, recognition to his employees and Eric helping out with solid works.

Several key aspects Rodger does caught my attention at the beginning to bring my car to him as I posted in the beginning of the thread. But one thing that stood out the most was Johns Nova. As I lurked at the process of Johns car being created the more I felt this was the guy. Since then there's been several times I questioned him (yes Im a pain in the @#^! and I give him a lot of headaches) but it all seems to come together a day or so later.

We have discussed the issue on posting photos on this forum and others for the reasoning of there's just two many elements taken from one to another plus I wanted to keep a couple things under wraps. If you look at a lot of the last major builds finished, most of the cars weren't posted till the end for most likely that reasoning. So, what we are going to try and do is post up as much info as possible to certain aspects of the car. Rodger mentioned that most individuals wont cut the back of a car off so whats the big deal LOL. I have several documented pictures that are years old, so if something looks familiar as we go along... sorry somebody just beat us applying it to metal.
This is not a car thats going to be done in a quick amount of time. One, each part of the car needs to be designed to come together as a whole without destroying the overall look and Two is funds, this is not a cheap build and there is not an open check book as some may think. I bust my a!! in this economy everyday to enjoy things I work for. So if this projects gets held up briefly or longer than expected its most likely on my part, so no need to post whats going on. If somethings happening Rodger will post. Family first, then business, then car.

Hopefully we can get back on track on posting as a build thread to what makes Ironworks- Ironworks. So far Rodger has done a great job at photo docs and will try to give as much explanation with it. Lateral G has been a great site to belong to and I thank Scott and Jody for having a forum site that gives these builders a great place to show there work.
Dave


You Tease.

[Vegas69]

I can't blame you for wanting to hold some cards until the last hand. I really don't think many people have the resources, time, or funds to pull off most of this stuff however. If your plan is to go for the gold I can't blame you. I'll have to stop by Rodgers shop on one of my trips to CA next year.

[ironworks]

Well Thanks Guys. I go away for few days and come back to figure out why my ears are ringing.

If I would have never imagined in all my life I would be able to work on some of the projects we do. 9 Years ago I had no clue things would end up like they have and the guys that have inspired me since I was old enough to work on cars are now my friends. That blows me away at every show we go to.

This is not a one man show. There are many talented guys involved in what goes on around here. Brycen, Henry and Jason have been with me for quite a few years. Kolby the High school clean up kid has not been here to long, but shows some promise. Eric (HWY NOVA) has been a great help and I look forward to him and his family moving to Bakersfield. :D :D :D :D :D

Well enough Time has been wasted already with 4 days off this past weekend. It has been a while since I took 4 days off from work. So back to the grind stone of living that dream.

Thanks again for the kind words.

Rodger

[tones2SS]

Keep up the great work guys. It's an inspiration and great to see quality work being done on these cars!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[HWY Nova]

Well Thanks Guys. I go away for few days and come back to figure out why my ears are ringing.

If I would have never imagined in all my life I would be able to work on some of the projects we do. 9 Years ago I had no clue things would end up like they have and the guys that have inspired me since I was old enough to work on cars are now my friends. That blows me away at every show we go to.

This is not a one man show. There are many talented guys involved in what goes on around here. Brycen, Henry and Jason have been with me for quite a few years. Kolby the High school clean up kid has not been here to long, but shows some promise. Eric (HWY NOVA) has been a great help and I look forward to him and his family moving to Bakersfield. :D :D :D :D :D

Well enough Time has been wasted already with 4 days off this past weekend. It has been a while since I took 4 days off from work. So back to the grind stone of living that dream.

Thanks again for the kind words.

Rodger

Now my ears are ringing!



--Eric

[novanutcase]

Now my ears are ringing!



--Eric

Moving to Bako eh!!:D

John

[nvr2fst]

I commissioned Tracy Weaver owner of Recovery Room to help out. When the time comes he will be working with Rodger on tab placements here and there for panels/inserts/etc. Most good interior guys are booked out for long periods of time and I needed this decision but to rest and crossed off the to do list.
Welcome aboard Tracy

[ironworks]

Some of you might recognize Tracy from his previous job out in California.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Her%20Jeep/ish-sabrina-torez-west-coast-custom.jpg

Tracy puts the "WEST" in MIDWEST, when it comes to Quality interior work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsOgVzVZ66g

HAHA..... I had to do it

[HWY Nova]

Well as I mentioned prior we were going to bring on a couple of key players.
Heres one for now;
Some might say were jumping the gun but like I mentioned before its a design process in whole and we dont need to redo things later down the line. We commissioned Tracy Weaver owner of Recovery Room to help out. When the time comes he will be working with Rodger on tab placements here and there for panels/inserts/etc for mine and Rodgers off the wall thinking. Another reason I took in consideration is most good interior guys are booked out for long periods of time and I needed this decision but to rest and crossed off the to do list.
Welcome aboard Tracy!

.... and if you miss your "appointment" with Tracy, I may take your place!!!!


--Eric

[Darrell]

Gee wez guys,with all this mussee mussee kissee kissee talk,I don't know what to say...............or maybe I do...........SACK UP BOYS AND GET TO WORK ON MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!just jokin wit ja..........:D :D :D :D :D :D :thumbsup:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Some of you might recognize Tracy from his previous job out in California.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/Her%20Jeep/ish-sabrina-torez-west-coast-custom.jpg

Tracy puts the "WEST" in MIDWEST, when it comes to Quality interior work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsOgVzVZ66g

HAHA..... I had to do it

That's just mean....Good one Rog.:rofl:

[nvr2fst]

Gee wez guys,with all this mussee mussee kissee kissee talk,I don't know what to say...............or maybe I do...........SACK UP BOYS AND GET TO WORK ON MY CAR!!!!!!!!!!just jokin wit ja..........:D :D :D :D :D :D :thumbsup:

Hey Mr. secret, Don't you have a build thread to start or something.
My strategy is the more "mussee mussee" the lower the cost, but it doesnt seem to be working.

[ironworks]

Well I thought I might give you guys a few progress pics. Things are coming along very nicely.

We cut out a hole in the Side of the quarter to reshape the quarter panel. But we had thought out tool box cabinets like a Construction service bed.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009015.jpg

Here is a side profile of the car from the front with both panels cleco'd in place.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009031.jpg

Here is mock up picture with some wheels to give you an idea on the stance.
The spoiler was just an initial design mock up. Things have changed drastically from this design.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009028.jpg

[GregWeld]

Love the tool box/slide outs idea... :rofl:

It really looks good Roger!

[HWY Nova]

Well I thought I might give you guys a few progress pics. Things are coming along very nicely.

We cut out a hole in the Side of the quarter to reshape the quarter panel. But we had thought out tool box cabinets like a Construction service bed.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009015.jpg

Here is a side profile of the car from the front with both panels cleco'd in place.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009031.jpg

Here is mock up picture with some wheels to give you an idea on the stance.
The spoiler was just an initial design mock up. Things have changed drastically from this design.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009028.jpg

I need to get out there and see this in person!


--Eric

[bentfab]

Rog,

You are on lucky dood !!! A very talented crew and a customer willing to go the extra not just a mile but a 100. Keep it coming. Bad a$$ work.

Bent

[bentfab]

I need to get out there and see this in person!


--Eric

When are you picking me up ?

[ironworks]

Last I heard breakfast at Knotty Pine Tommorrow morning......

[HWY Nova]

When are you picking me up ?

With the snow on the the Grapevine (the 5-Freeway for those non-Californians), even if I did pick you up, we couldn't get to Ironworks.

I'm not sure I can from where I live either, especially with more storms coming in.

I guess Rodger will just have to post more pics!!!!!


--Eric

[bentfab]

With the snow on the the Grapevine (the 5-Freeway for those non-Californians), even if I did pick you up, we couldn't get to Ironworks.

I'm not sure I can from where I live either, especially with more storms coming in.

I guess Rodger will just have to post more pics!!!!!


--Eric


Well.... Ok Just have Rog send his wife's Jeep down.

[ironworks]

Well.... Ok Just have Rog send his wife's Jeep down.

Please you guys are not tough enough for that RIG. Please.....

[HWY Nova]

Please you guys are not tough enough for that RIG. Please.....

Ouch.

[Cris@JCG]

As always! great work :wow: I love everything about this build :thumbsup:

[bentfab]

As always! great work :wow: I love everything about this build :thumbsup:

Yeah!! Those flares are catching on.

[Kendall Burleson]

Rodger how is the sliver state camaro coming?:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Kendall, We are focusing on getting some customer stuff done to pay the bills after SEMA. We have done some odds and ends on the Chassisworks camaro but we plan to start getting busy on that car around Christmas.

We plan to run the Virginia City Hill Climb, The Silver State Classic and The One lap of America Event in May. Plus the AutoX events at as many Goodguys shows that we can make.

Rodger

[Kendall Burleson]

Let me know what good guys events you are going to run it went you pick the ones the camaro will be at.:) :)

[rs sports]

very very nice work dave. by the way this is randy

[dhondagod]

Amazing.... :hail:



Chris:cool:

[nvr2fst]

very very nice work dave. by the way this is randy

Thanks Randy, glad to see you became a member. Post up in the new member section when you get a chance with some of your scca cars.

[ironworks]

Well Here are some pictures, these pics do not do that amount of work done to the back end of this car justice. There is more new metal then by about 2 to 1 ratio from the front fenders to the tailpanel of the car.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009136.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009135.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009116.jpg

It became easier to just piece together the bumper from about 3 different cars. We have now removed the tail panel completely to get the rear set up like we want. It is amazing how much time an inch here and an inch there can take. But how much of a difference an inch here and an inch there can make in the whole look.

[pacificustoms]

You nailed the looks on that thing! The part that looks great is it doesn't look highly cut up, everything flows so good!

[GregWeld]

Where's all the bondo??
:rofl:

Looks GREAT RODGER!

[Garage Dog 65]

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009136.jpg



Very sexy curves ! Nice work !!

Jim

[ironworks]

Where's all the bondo??
:rofl:

Looks GREAT RODGER!

Hopefully in the can. We try to be metalmen, not sculptors....

[radrambler]

Rodger

You the guys AND THE CUSTOMER really took a GIANT leap on this one...WOW
GREAT VISION....NICE REDESIGN AND FLOW...:thumbsup:
MORE PICS . ...PLEEEEEEAAAASSSSE

Tom

[ironworks]

Thanks, It is amazing what can happen with a few simple tools and some flat sheetmetal. Dave has allowed us to push the envelope pretty far on this car. So far I think he likes the results....."MR Ben Hermance" has been pretty instrumental in getting all the ideas on to paper, But we are not ready to show those just yet.

[tones2SS]

That looks great Rodger! (As usual.) Keep us posted please.:thumbsup:

[Al Moreno]

Somebody finally nailed the right look for the rear bumper. Great work Roger.

Can you post some of the the design thoughts (and pictures) on the rockers and the front fender (behind the wheel). Looks killer by what I can see.

Thanks for sharing with us junkies , LOL.

[nvr2fst]

I know Rodger mentioned it briefly but I do want to give a hands out to Ben Hermance myself. So far he has put our ideas to the limits and there's way more to come. I still am hesitant in regards to posting photos but as Rodger keeps reminding me, most will not go to this extreme and the knowledgeable ones know the hours it takes to get there
The modified bumper we took from a mustang and tucked in the corner to match the body line of the custom reworked quarters. Originally Rodger posted the photos of the rear section of the car cut off. Well with that said the rear section in reality was shortened by 2" but extended through the spoiler area to actually obtain the same length, (also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why) With the front fenders being shortened by 2" it becomes an almost natural look. The problem that Rodger has with the camaro once you lower the hell out of it, the body style becomes too long. I think he nailed it.
The all started when Rodger awhile ago posted up the "most radical 69" thread. We reviewed everything there was out there and tried to go beyond that "box". Hopefully you guys enjoy so far and Im all ears to your thoughts.
Plus it need a name!
Dave

[Rick D]

WOW what an awsome build. Rodger and Dave you guys are really pushing the box wide open with this one. Just one question have you guys thought RIDDLER????? :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[WSSix]

x2 Riddler maybe? SMOY for sure though right?

Car looks great. I'm not familiar enough with the body lines on a first gen to have known it was shortened with Dave mentioning it. I was scratching my head thinking something was different but what. I'm loving this build and War. Just wow!

[nvr2fst]

WOW what an awsome build. Rodger and Dave you guys are really pushing the box wide open with this one. Just one question have you guys thought RIDDLER????? :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

We've exposed the car to the public, so the answer is no to Ridler. Ive agreed for Rodger to post some photos here and there. It helps potential future customers of his show what Ironworks is capable of, but in short where his mind is always at. Every car there has something that has not been done yet.
I thought it would be better to show the build from day one instead of posted finished photos right before its release.
If I can swing it funds wise, Rodger plans on showing the car in all its metal glory at DelMar

[WSSix]

One more thing I just noticed, the front heat extractors. Will those be staying?

[HWY Nova]

We've exposed the car to the public, so the answer is no to Ridler. Ive agreed for Rodger to post some photos here and there. It helps potential future customers of his show what Ironworks is capable of, but in short where is mind is always at. Every car there has something that has not been done yet.
I thought it would be better to show the build from day one instead of posted finished photos right before its release.
If I can swing it funds wise, Rodger plans on showing the car in all its metal glory at DelMar

Hey Dave,

If I'm not mistaken, this can still be a Ridler Car....... You are allowed to publish UN-FINISHED, UN-PAINTED PHOTOS of the car prior to the show!!!!.... You just can't publish photos after its painted (before the show).

This has got to be one of the nicest Camaros on the planet..... Keep it up!!!


--Eric

[Matt@BOS]

Cool heat extractors. I kid you not, I was standing around my Camaro at Best of Show and thinking the 69's side vents could use something on the fenders, then thought it'd be cool if someone opened them up, but figured nobody would try because of all the work required to make it look good. I figured you'd have to taper the opening from the middle body line in the door on back. Then I come home and you guys have done exactly what I was thinking. Looks awesome. Can't wait to see more.

Matt

[Kendall Burleson]

Hey Dave,

If I'm not mistaken, this can still be a Ridler Car....... You are allowed to publish UN-FINISHED, UN-PAINTED PHOTOS of the car prior to the show!!!!.... You just can't publish photos after its painted (before the show).

This has got to be one of the nicest Camaros on the planet..... Keep it up!!!


--EricI don't think you can show any of the parts of the car before the show start.Troy of Rad Rides show the frame of the 56 chrysler at a good guys event and they did not allow him in the great 8. What is crazy Chip show that 36 ford on the Rides show the year before and it won the Ridler award the next year.

[HWY Nova]

I don't think you can show any of the parts of the car before the show start.Troy of Rad Rides show the frame of the 56 chrysler at a good guys event and they did not allow him in the great 8. What is crazy Chip show that 36 ford on the Rides show the year before and it won the Ridler award the next year.

From the Detroit Autorama website:

Ridler Guidelines & Rules

Don Ridler was the first professional promoter hired by the Michigan Hot Rod Association to assist them with their fledgling Autorama in the fifties. With Don’s creativity and professional approach in promoting, Autorama was able to grow tremendously, and eventually move to its present home at Cobo Center in 1961. In 1963, Autorama decided to honor Don Ridler, who had prematurely passed away, with an award given in his name.

Originally the award was given to the Best Vehicle first-time shown. Over the last forty years the award has evolved to better conform to new ideas, changing designs and concepts. Today it emphasizes creativity, engineering and workmanship. Anyone building a vehicle for Ridler competition should post these words on their garage wall. The vehicle that best represents these three areas will win the Ridler Award.

In addition to the above judging guidelines, there are a few hard and fast rules, with no exceptions.

The vehicle must make its first public showing at the Detroit Autorama. Showing the vehicle at any indoor or outdoor show or any part of the entry, i.e. frame, engine or body, will make it ineligible for contention.
Realizing that car owners and builders may need some form or exposure to develop interest or to gain sponsorship and give credit to suppliers and/or sponsors, magazine and video build-up coverage is allowed. No articles, video footage or stories with photos of the vehicle in finished form will be allowed until after the award has been presented, i.e. car cannot be painted or upholstered to be used in any media format.

--Eric

[ironworks]

You can show the car in bare metal but not in paint and still contend for the ridler. Troy was disqualified due to the fact he had shown the car going togther in paint on his website. But when they started reassembly the radrides 56 was not intended for the ridler. That car is hands down super awesome. But the ridler is all about paint and chroming senseless parts. The first love 36 was bulit and designed from day one to win the Ridler. This car is not designed or intended to be a "show car". Sure it will be nice, but I have no intention in smearing bondo over nice TIG welds or coating the stainless headers. Headers should be raw stainless ( Or Titanium ) and have every hand laid TIG weld shining in bright BLUE and GOLD. Not chromed exhaust.

[HWY Nova]

You can show the car in bare metal but not in paint and still contend for the ridler. Troy was disqualified due to the fact he had shown the car going togther in paint on his website. But when they started reassembly the radrides 56 was not intended for the ridler. That car is hands down super awesome. But the ridler is all about paint and chroming senseless parts. The first love 36 was bulit and designed from day one to win the Ridler. This car is not designed or intended to be a "show car". Sure it will be nice, but I have no intention in smearing bondo over nice TIG welds or coating the stainless headers. Headers should be raw stainless ( Or Titanium ) and have every hand laid TIG weld shining in bright BLUE and GOLD. Not chromed exhaust.

But, but, but........ but what if Dave likes chrome?


--Eric

[novanutcase]

Headers should be raw stainless ( Or Titanium ) and have every hand laid TIG weld shining in bright BLUE and GOLD. Not chromed exhaust.

AMEN!!!!! :yes:

But, but, but........ but what if Dave likes chrome?


--Eric

:lol:

John

[novanutcase]

.....(also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why).....

You're not thinking of doing a hatchback are you?http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g170/novanutcase/Emoticons/stirthepot.gif

John

[Hdesign]

I was thrilled to get the call from Rodger a while back to be involved with a project of this caliber. Dave and Rodger have really made this a dream project for me and I greatly appreciate them for letting me take a whack at it.

Yes, it's ANOTHER 69 Camaro, but it's become far more than that. I believe this project will prove to 1st gen owners and builders alike that everything HASN'T been done to these.

What was really cool for me was that much of the sheet metal work Rodger had already completed were things I had wanted to do if I had one of my own.

Stay tuned....this is gonna be a fun ride!

[Cris@JCG]

This 69 is an absolute work of art! It is an innovation & surpasing the boundries of the ultimate 69 Camaro :thumbsup:

I know Rodger mentioned it briefly but I do want to give a hands out to Ben Hermance myself. So far he has put our ideas to the limits and there's way more to come. I still am hesitant in regards to posting photos but as Rodger keeps reminding me, most will not go to this extreme and the knowledgeable ones know the hours it takes to get there
The modified bumper we took from a mustang and tucked in the corner to match the body line of the custom reworked quarters. Originally Rodger posted the photos of the rear section of the car cut off. Well with that said the rear section in reality was shortened by 2" but extended through the spoiler area to actually obtain the same length, (also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why) With the front fenders being shortened by 2" it becomes an almost natural look. The problem that Rodger has with the camaro once you lower the hell out of it, the body style becomes too long. I think he nailed it.
The all started when Rodger awhile ago posted up the "most radical 69" thread. We reviewed everything there was out there and tried to go beyond that "box". Hopefully you guys enjoy so far and Im all ears to your thoughts.
Plus it need a name!
Dave

[Canonicity]

Well with that said the rear section in reality was shortened by 2" but extended through the spoiler area to actually obtain the same length, (also it moved the trunk lid forward toward the glass which eventually you'll see why) With the front fenders being shortened by 2" it becomes an almost natural look. The problem that Rodger has with the camaro once you lower the hell out of it, the body style becomes too long. I think he nailed it.

Dave, had you not mentioned the car being shorten, I would not have pick it up from the pics. Very subtle and very nice.

Are you guys going to drop the roof line?

Thanks again for the previews.

[extralight]

Speechless....there is no way words can describe what you're doing here. Just absolutely love it.

[camaro2nv]

Im loving it! With that said looks like its moving away from looking like a Camaro though.

[phillym5]

Looks real good. I really like the scoop in the front fender. Thats going to look sick. :thumbsup:

[BuiltByBrooks]

Wow looks awesome:cheers:

[War]

It's alright I guess if thats what your into.:thumbsup:

[RECOVERY ROOM]

The best mods are the ones you can't tell when the car is painted,And this one is done with style.You guys nailed it without having to do things that stuck out:thumbsup: ......also what he said above..lol

[ironworks]

It's alright I guess if thats what your into.:thumbsup:

Exactly.......All I can say is, it ain't no pickup truck.....

[Steve1968LS2]

I like this build because it makes mine feel so simple and inexpensive.. lol

Going to be a killer ride when done. :)

[nvr2fst]

Im loving it! With that said looks like its moving away from looking like a Camaro though.

I appreciate your feedback and I expect there will be others that see it the same.
Every car on this forum has been modified to some extent. In the last couple of years we've seen multiple changes and design to hoods, spoilers, lower valances, lower tail panels and bumpers, not to mention engine and interior.
In the upcoming years IMO you are going to see more individuals modifying quarters and fenders, deck lids and rocker panels whether it be metal, CF or aluminum almost to the norm. Some of these mods are already into play here on this forum. You can draw concepts all day but until somebody puts it to the car itself you'll never know the outcome.
Besides I already have a stock version and by the time this car gets done the mods will be old news. LOL

[nvr2fst]

I like this build because it makes mine feel so simple and inexpensive.. lol

Going to be a killer ride when done. :)

Simple and inexpensive! Your making me laugh. There's more engineering and cost in Penny than most not including the "reincarnation thread". Plus you have "seat time" which is priceless.

[Garage Dog 65]

I appreciate your feedback and I expect there will be others that see it the same.
Every car on this forum has been modified to some extent. In the last couple of years we've seen multiple changes and design to hoods, spoilers, lower valances, lower tail panels and bumpers, not to mention engine and interior.
In the upcoming years IMO you are going to see more individuals modifying quarters and fenders, deck lids and rocker panels whether it be metal, CF or aluminum almost to the norm. Some of these mods are already into play here on this forum. You can draw concepts all day but until somebody puts it to the car itself you'll never know the outcome.
Besides I already have a stock version and by the time this car gets done the mods will be old news. LOL

I'm waiting for you to cut it in half and add 10 inches for the 'wide body' mod. :) (or is that just sick ??)

:lateral:

Jim

[70rs]

I'm waiting for you to cut it in half and add 10 inches for the 'wide body' mod. :) (or is that just sick ??)

:lateral:

Jim

Kind of like the full size Dodge vans from the '80s they used for shuttles and aid cars? Two piece windshield and all.....:lol:


The car and all of the mods so far are looking great in my opinion. I like where you guys are taking it.

[Garage Dog 65]

Just think of all the space that would add to the console - and all the cool stuff you could add in there Dave !

X-Box, couple HD screens, buttons and switches and gages all over the place like the space shuttle man !!!






Or not ...


:P

[HWY Nova]

I'm waiting for you to cut it in half and add 10 inches for the 'wide body' mod. :) (or is that just sick ??)

:lateral:

Jim

Cut it down the center and add 10 inches???!!??? That's old news.... some guy did that with a 356 Porsche!!!..... WAIT A MINUTE.... That was you Jim!... or was it 9 inches?



--Eric

[nvr2fst]

Cut it down the center and add 10 inches???!!??? That's old news.... some guy did that with a 356 Porsche!!!..... WAIT A MINUTE.... That was you Jim!... or was it 9 inches?



--Eric

Yea but you can do that with a 356 and most wont notice. Plus it will still fit a trailer!

[GregWeld]

You and Jim keep going, and adding stuff, to this build... it will wind up looking like that horrible "1.3 million dollar" black Mustang... only it'll be 1.5 million!

:willy: :willy: :rofl:

[Garage Dog 65]

Cut it down the center and add 10 inches???!!??? That's old news.... some guy did that with a 356 Porsche!!!..... WAIT A MINUTE.... That was you Jim!... or was it 9 inches?



--Eric

It was 9. Those porsche guys are always exaggerating...... LOL

[96z28ss]

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009136.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009135.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt248/ironworksspeed/C6-1969%20Camaro/ShopPicsDecember2009116.jpg

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The camaro is coming out great some cool ideas.
Can't wait to see the rear all done, the rear bumper just looks a bit big on the side of the rear quarter.

[novanutcase]

Just think of all the space that would add to the console - and all the cool stuff you could add in there Dave !

X-Box, couple HD screens, buttons and switches and gages all over the place like the space shuttle man !!!






Or not ...


:P

That's not a space shuttle picture. That's the view that Dave has pulling the wheels!!:cheers:

John

[Steve1968LS2]

Simple and inexpensive! Your making me laugh. There's more engineering and cost in Penny than most not including the "reincarnation thread". Plus you have "seat time" which is priceless.

Maybe more than most.. but not more than this one.. lol.. that's why I qualified it.

And yea, time to get "sorted out" is priceless.

The amount of work in this car is crazy.. I really like it so far.