Mark Stielow's 69 Camaro, Red Devil

[next69]

I was reading the thread for Charlie's Jackass project and he mentioned Mark was working on a new project "Blue Bomber" does anyone have any pic's???

[Ummgawa]

I think that Camaro "X" is being painted blue. Been wrong alot today, but I think thats the extent of it.

[camcojb]

I was reading the thread for Charlie's Jackass project and he mentioned Mark was working on a new project "Blue Bomber" does anyone have any pic's???

yeah, I don't think it will be named that for long............... :D Maybe Mark will pop in and fill in the details, don't want to spill the beans.

Jody

[Stielow]

Once I finish JA for Charley I'll get back to working on my new project. It is another '69 wth the following:

LS7 with small cam 575 HP
T56
DSE front clip
DSE rear susp
Brembo brakes
ABS brakes
Currie Ford 9 inch

I really like Camaro X and the way it drove so I'm using an LS7 again. (Charleys LS9 drives even better...) But the LS7 was more price friendly.

Car has all the metal work done. All the driveline in it. All the Chassis done.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSCN2510.jpg
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2135.jpg
http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2251.jpg

[GrabberGT]

Is that a Taurus fan your using?

I know, I know... of all the questions to ask on a Stielow build but that s precisely the reason to ask. I figured you would go with something a little higher end.

[tones2SS]

WOW!!!
I can't wait to see updates on this bad boy as well. You have some really nice cars Mark. And good taste!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

[OLDFLM]

I've said it before... but I'll say it again... when ya gonna do a 2nd Gen?

Please???

[SS1156]

I've said it before... but I'll say it again... when ya gonna do a 2nd Gen?

Please???

I'll ask too......PLEASEEEEEE!!!!!!

Enough with the 1st Gens. I would love to see what you would do with a 2nd Gen car. No offense to the 1st Gen guys, but I'm kinda worn out of those.

[tones2SS]

I'll ask too......PLEASEEEEEE!!!!!!

Enough with the 1st Gens. I would love to see what you would do with a 2nd Gen car. No offense to the 1st Gen guys, but I'm kinda worn out of those.

***NOT A HIJACK TO THIS THREAD***
Pete from Competition Specialties will be doing Nick's car, ORANGE KRATE.
A 1970 Camaro with the DSE treatment and other little goodies!!!:unibrow: :thumbsup:

[buickfunnycar.com]

Don't fight the urge,join the party!:yes:

[Stielow]

The fan and radiator are out of the Red Witch. The fan is a 1998 Lincoln Mark 8 fan. Works great. I'm trying to stay on a budget with this car due to things at GM..

I would do a second Gen sometime if I could find a good deal on a body. I just really like '69s

Mark

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark, what will you do differently on this car compared to the 'X' car ?

[Rybar]

Absolutley love all your builds Mark, said it many times before Thrasher was a huge inspiration for my build. :thumbsup:

Can't wait to see this one complete, is the rear going to be tubbed with some nice dish on the wheels like the Mule? What wheels are you going to run?

[cowboybob]

Enough with the 1st Gens. I would love to see what you would do with a 2nd Gen car. No offense to the 1st Gen guys, but I'm kinda worn out of those.

All that I will say is that the artist chooses the medium that best fills his needs/wants/desires/tastes.

Besides, I don't think that anyone ever said "Hey, Michelangelo...enough with the chapel ceiling stuff...I want you to paint my house" or "Hey Bach...grab that kazoo and let's see what you can really do"

[cowboybob]

The fan and radiator are out of the Red Witch. The fan is a 1998 Lincoln Mark 8 fan. Works great.

Mark,

Where did the radiator come from (brand or model)? The fan and radiator look like they were made for each other.

[Bryce]

was that an australian cattle dog in the first pic?

[thedude327]

Nothing wrong with sticking with one particular year camaro. After the first one, it's faster to build a second car as you've learned all of the tricky things that can hold up the build. Will this be at the camaro superfest in July?

Paul

[Stielow]

Ginger is my garage buddy. She is a cattle dog.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/P7270053.jpg

[Radlark]

All that I will say is that the artist chooses the medium that best fills his needs/wants/desires/tastes.

Besides, I don't think that anyone ever said "Hey, Michelangelo...enough with the chapel ceiling stuff...I want you to paint my house" or "Hey Bach...grab that kazoo and let's see what you can really do"

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

[ZMAN1969]

I've said it before... but I'll say it again... when ya gonna do a 2nd Gen?

Please???

WHEN? -when they run out of 69s that he hasn't built yet and that's not many - what do you think Mark maybe 20-30 remain? :bow: wish he'd build mine

[Stielow]

The radiator is a Griffin from 1996 out of Red Witch.

The car has DSE mini tubs and DSE 4 link.

My plan for this '69 is kinda a Porsche 911 deal. Just keep evolving it. Porsche kept the same car for years and just kept tweeking it.

I have liked many aspects of all the cars I built. They all were a learning experience. I saw the Thrasher again last winter and thought the car still looked great. So I want to do another red one.

Fikse is making me some wheels right now with a new design (very cool). Those guys are great and I have worked with them since 1994.

Just having some fun building another car and digging some old parts out of the attic.

Mark

[Musclerodz]

The radiator is a Griffin from 1996 out of Red Witch.

The car has DSE mini tubs and DSE 4 link.

My plan for this '69 is kinda a Porsche 911 deal. Just keep evolving it. Porsche kept the same car for years and just kept tweeking it.

I have liked many aspects of all the cars I built. They all were a learning experience. I saw the Thrasher again last winter and thought the car still looked great. So I want to do another red one.

Fikse is making me some wheels right now with a new design (very cool). Those guys are great and I have worked with them since 1994.

Just having some fun building another car and digging some old parts out of the attic.

MarkIf people would quit making new parts for the 69 Camaro, you would have perfected by now I think. They have all been an evolution of the next, better every time. Are you going to use the same type engine harness used in jackass? What I would like to know is who did the harness because I love the idea of the cannon plug in the firewall.

[GregWeld]

Charley --- I sold Bob a very very clean 69 drop top 307 - 3 speed column car that was this same turquoise... YOU KNOW YOU NEED A DROP TOP CAMARO to round out "the shed"!!! LOL

I agree with Mark - There is just something about a nice 69 Camaro that is hard to beat. If you can keep building them and making them better and better... why not!

[WSSix]

Well, you answered my questions Mark. Granted I haven't driven any of them but they all looked so amazing and built with such precision that I had always wondered why build another. I know building them has to be part of the fun as well. So what is different about this one compared the X since you say you really liked that one.

Thanks

[Stielow]

After working on Camaro X I did not like the not being able to use the stock oil pan with a stock front clip. I liked the way Jackass was going togther so I copied a lot off that car.

I really like the way the engine bay is turning out on my new car.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2252.jpg

The Vintage Air front runner looks great. The headers fit well and the induction tube and rad turned out very well.

[BonzoHansen]

No, don't build a 2nd gen. We don't need the bar set even higher, lol.

What brake booster is that?

[GHOSTDANCER]

Besides, I don't think that anyone ever said "Hey, Michelangelo...enough with the chapel ceiling stuff...I want you to paint my house" or "Hey Bach...grab that kazoo and let's see what you can really do"[/QUOTE]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl:

[camcojb]

After working on Camaro X I did not like the not being able to use the stock oil pan with a stock front clip. I liked the way Jackass was going togther so I copied a lot off that car.

I really like the way the engine bay is turning out on my new car.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2252.jpg

The Vintage Air front runner looks great. The headers fit well and the induction tube and rad turned out very well.

The Vintage Air LS frontrunner in black was one of my winter changes too; I was very impressed with the quality and look, great setup.

Jody

[Vegas69]

Who could get sick of building 69 Camaros? I really like the fine tuning phase. It's so rewarding. I can only imagine how much better every car turns out. All the bugs you have fixed on the previous cars don't exist. Sounds like fun to me. I'm not ready for number 2 but I've learned more than I expected.

[7TSS]

Mark, what are you using for motor mount adapters, headers and transmission crossmember? Are they made by DSE?

I have the DSE subframe and was wondering which headers would work with the ATS mounts and T56 crossmember.

[fleetus macmullitz]

My plan for this '69 is kinda a Porsche 911 deal. Just keep evolving it. Porsche kept the same car for years and just kept tweeking it.

'69 Camaro SS actually = Stielow Skunkworks? :D

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k156/wnyjazz/Badd55%20big%20pics/600px-Skunk_works_Logosvg.png

[Bryce]

sorry to get off topic, but awesome dog, i have a cattle dog too, Mollie.

[awr68]

The car is shaping up nicely Mark! :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Mark, what are you using for motor mount adapters, headers and transmission crossmember? Are they made by DSE?

I have the DSE subframe and was wondering which headers would work with the ATS mounts and T56 crossmember.

The headers are Kooks for a 1st Gen. I had them sent to me unwelded and added the SPD 1 7/8 round tube header flanges. You can try just buying them welded and see how they fit. (Retail they are ~$900) The Kooks headers came with engine mounts which work perfect. Much better than the ATS ones. I pull the stock engine mount stands off my original sub frame and they bolted right on the DSE frame. I bolted the Kooks adaptors on my LS7 and got some stock '69 rubber engine mounts and it all bolted right up. (I was shocked!)

To get the headers to fit like I wanted I only had to cut the some of the tube to length. I had Stenode weld them up and the welds are artwork. I ordered bends from Borla, Corsa and Woolf to make the rest of the exhaust with Borla Mufflers. Most of the S/S was left over from old projects. Woolf is a great source for bends if you need tight bends and don't want to spend the big money on Burns.

I good source for S/S V-band clamps is Summit Racing Dynatech brand. Again they are about half the price of Burns and work fine and may be the same stuff.

While I'm ranting about exhaust the best Hot Rod exhaust hangers are from Stainless Works. There not cheap but they are very good. My rule of thumb from racing '69 Camaro's on One Lap of America is the exhaust system should be able to support you full body weight! I weight 190 lb and I can do chin up on my systems.

The trans cross menber is an ATS part. Works fine if you use the stock height sub-frame mounts. Or you can just make one.

I love the package. The DSE clip allows the stock LS7 oil pan. The Vintage Air front runner looks very OE and fits. I can even get the header on and off the car from the top of the engine. This my not sound like a big deal but it is very nice to be able to work on the car with out taking it half apart.

My only complaint was we had to trim the rad support mount .200" to get the front sheet metal to fit with the DSE front clip. Not sure which one was off and it was a quick deal. But the DSE clip came assembled, powdered coat and I just bolted it in.

Oh well off to meet a Jackass... well work on Charleys car.

Mark

[aany001]

Mark the car looks great!!!!!!!! When do you project it being finished?

Steve

[Stielow]

Mark the car looks great!!!!!!!! When do you project it being finished?

Steve

Well a lot depends on if GM is still a "going concern". I would like to have it with JA at SEMA. But it is not a big deal. When I was driving JA last weekend I really wanted to get my car done.

I'll see how it goes after June 1.

Mark

[Steve68]

Great build Mark, I think its SS, Which should stand for "Stielow Simple"

I think everyone can learn from his builds simple can be your friend, along with "Attention To Detail"

[ZMAN1969]

Mark, is this going to be ready? hard to imagine there would be 2 new S/built 69s on the tour - I'm ready to see them both! - see you on the tour! :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark, is this going to be ready? hard to imagine there would be 2 new S/built 69s on the tour - I'm ready to see them both! - see you on the tour! :thumbsup:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showpost.php4?p=212745&postcount=36

[7TSS]

The headers are Kooks for a 1st Gen. I had them sent to me unwelded and added the SPD 1 7/8 round tube header flanges. You can try just buying them welded and see how they fit. (Retail they are ~$900) The Kooks headers came with engine mounts which work perfect. Much better than the ATS ones. I pull the stock engine mount stands off my original sub frame and they bolted right on the DSE frame. I bolted the Kooks adaptors on my LS7 and got some stock '69 rubber engine mounts and it all bolted right up. (I was shocked!)

To get the headers to fit like I wanted I only had to cut the some of the tube to length. I had Stenode weld them up and the welds are artwork. I ordered bends from Borla, Corsa and Woolf to make the rest of the exhaust with Borla Mufflers. Most of the S/S was left over from old projects. Woolf is a great source for bends if you need tight bends and don't want to spend the big money on Burns.

I good source for S/S V-band clamps is Summit Racing Dynatech brand. Again they are about half the price of Burns and work fine and may be the same stuff.

While I'm ranting about exhaust the best Hot Rod exhaust hangers are from Stainless Works. There not cheap but they are very good. My rule of thumb from racing '69 Camaro's on One Lap of America is the exhaust system should be able to support you full body weight! I weight 190 lb and I can do chin up on my systems.

The trans cross menber is an ATS part. Works fine if you use the stock height sub-frame mounts. Or you can just make one.

I love the package. The DSE clip allows the stock LS7 oil pan. The Vintage Air front runner looks very OE and fits. I can even get the header on and off the car from the top of the engine. This my not sound like a big deal but it is very nice to be able to work on the car with out taking it half apart.

My only complaint was we had to trim the rad support mount .200" to get the front sheet metal to fit with the DSE front clip. Not sure which one was off and it was a quick deal. But the DSE clip came assembled, powdered coat and I just bolted it in.

Oh well off to meet a Jackass... well work on Charleys car.

Mark

Thanks for the response. I'll definitely look into the Kook's and VA Frontrunner setups. I appreciate the tips on the exhaust too.

Your cars have always been nicely packaged and well thought out. :hail: :bow:

Always looking forward to more progress pics.

[96z28ss]

I wouldn't worry about GM.
You could make a living building camaros or other cars.

[tones2SS]

Man, that looks so KILLER!!!:hail: :cheers:

[customcam]

Mark thanks for the insight, very cool car as always

[tones2SS]

Kooks are known to make some really nice headers for the LSx engines.:bow:
Good quality with good performance. Thanks for all the answers Mark.
Good luck with all the GM stuff.:thumbsup:

[69x22]

Mark can you hook us up with a update?

[JohnnyGMachine]

Mark, great looking project as usual. At first I used to say the same thing...man, Mark's building another '69? How about a second gen. Then after reading some of his responses and thinking about my thing with fox body Mustangs I understand. I've owned 7 fox body cars, hall hatchbacks and one notch. I still own the notchback and drive my 88 GT everyday. I think about going with something newer but theres' just something I like and enjoy about modifying that particular Mustang generation. I know those cars in and out. Maybe it's the same way for you Mark, you just like what ya like and what kind of results you can get from it when you're done making it even better. The 69 Camaro is such a clean modern design, it will always be classic and timeless.

[Stielow]

Mark, great looking project as usual. At first I used to say the same thing...man, Mark's building another '69? How about a second gen. Then after reading some of his responses and thinking about my thing with fox body Mustangs I understand. I've owned 7 fox body cars, hall hatchbacks and one notch. I still own the notchback and drive my 88 GT everyday. I think about going with something newer but theres' just something I like and enjoy about modifying that particular Mustang generation. I know those cars in and out. Maybe it's the same way for you Mark, you just like what ya like and what kind of results you can get from it when you're done making it even better. The 69 Camaro is such a clean modern design, it will always be classic and timeless.

Yep I like '69 and I have a ton of spare parts... lol I never wonder what size wrench to grap because I just know.

After getting JA shipped back to Charley I got a few things done on my car.

I'm going to try to build almost everything prior to paint. I've got the following done to the car:

Engine
Engine assy
Trans
Shifter and trim ring
Rad
A/C Cond
Vintage Air Condenser
A/C bulkhead
DSE Front Sub and DSE 4 link
Header
Exhaust
Fuel Tank
DSE Dash with AM gauges
Dry sump tank
Brembo Brakes
ABS module

Working on the following

Diff cooler
Trans cooler
Brake lines
Engine Harness
Body Harness
All the hoses
DSE rear sway bar
Aluminum front bumper

So once I get every thing made I will strip the car back down and send it to paint. Still I don't know who will paint it. I hate the paint process.

I should get my Fikse wheels next week. I will post a picture once it is on the ground.

Mark

[tones2SS]

Very cool Mark.
Cannot wait to see another one of your builds!!:cheers:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark,

What sold you on putting ABS in it?

[SLO 65]

Can you offer up a little information on the Brembo brakes. Are they the carbon ones from the ZR1, CTS-V, or aftermarket? Thanks.

Nick

[itsals1]

Maybe Scott can convince you to road trip over to Wisconsin and have Kurt and Paul at AutoKraft do the paint and body. the last 69' was over-the-top!! Just a thought.

Travis

[waynieZ]

Awesome build.

[qship510]

Working on the following

...
Aluminum front bumper...

Mark

Yea, sure, just toss that in and see if anyone notices...

Hammerformed? Concrete buck? Just the front?


Jerry

[Stielow]

Yea, sure, just toss that in and see if anyone notices...

Hammerformed? Concrete buck? Just the front?


Jerry


I was wondering is anyone would notice that....

So far it looks like I can save 20 lbs right of the nose of the car with an aluminum bumper and braces. I bought the bumper off E-bay. It fits OK but the shape it dead on. I think some Chinese compainy just change the material from steel to aluminum. It is the same gauge as a repo steel one. I'm making a fake endura bumper out of it. Hope it works out.

Mark

[GregWeld]

I was wondering is any one would notice that....

So far it looks like I can save 20 lbs right of the nose of the car with an aluminum bumper and braces. I bought the bumper off E-bay. It fits OK but the shape it dead on. I think some Chinese compainy just change the material from steel to aluminum. It is the same gauge as a repo steel one. I'm making a fake endura bumper out of it. Hope it works out.

Mark

Mark --

That is NOT a FAKE endura bumper --- HELL NO!! That, my friend, is a TRIBUTE BUMPER!!!
:willy: :woot:

[XcYZ]

Mark --

That is NOT a FAKE endura bumper --- HELL NO!! That, my friend, is a TRIBUTE BUMPER!!!
:willy: :woot:

:lol: Good one.

[Stielow]

Mark,

What sold you on putting ABS in it?

I love ABS brakes!!! All of our GM track stuff has ABS brakes. This is a big science project. You can buy an off the shelf Bosch Motorsports system for about $10,000. I don't have $10K so I'm working on putting togther a system out of other OE stuff. The wheel speed sensors on the front are easy with the DSE clip. It has C-5 hubs with built in wheel speed sensors. I had Currier build me a Ford 9 inch with Mustang wheel speed sensors built into the rear axles. So after digging around I found out the Ford rear wheel speed sendor are a Bosch. So I hope the sensor output will work with my module. We have bench tested them and I think so. I had special tone wheel made to match the pulses per rev of a C-5 Vett to match the front wheel speed sensors. We are also working on making the ABS unit work as a stand alone. No stability or low mu performance (ice).

I was going to install ABS on JA but with the carbon brakes it is even harder to sort out. The carbon brakes double there output from ambiant to 400 degrees C. I'm OK with trying this on my car because I have had a lot of experience tuning ABS systems and having them fail at speed. Things happen very fast when you have lost your brake system on the track. I have had a number of "off track" experiences developing ABS and stabilty systems. If I can get this system to work it will be fun and I've learned a lot in the process. The system will need to be balanced in a "failed" mode when I first start sorting it out.

Mark :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Mark -

Isn't there some "statement" about if you haven't gone off track - then you haven't been going fast enough??

LOL

Big difference there between going too fast - vs a total brake failure... The pucker factor has to be 10X's ?? It's one thing entering too fast and at least being able to TRY to slow a bit... And entering and have NO BRAKES... It's never happened to me (limited track time to Bondurant and Spring Mountain) - but I can only imagine that it's a real unpleasant experience!

So the carbon rotors take some heat to work "better"? Or is it that they work fine and then just get better with heat? Some pads (against normal rotors) take some heat to work - as I understand it - and can be a nightmare on the street...

[camcojb]

So the carbon rotors take some heat to work "better"? Or is it that they work fine and then just get better with heat? Some pads (against normal rotors) take some heat to work - as I understand it - and can be a nightmare on the street...


I think the carbon rotors work fine right off the bat, but get even better as they get hotter, which requires a bit different braking during a track session. At least that was the excuse Charley used when he spun the car off the track during braking................... :lol:

Jody

[GregWeld]

I think the carbon rotors work fine right off the bat, but get even better as they get hotter, which requires a bit different braking during a track session. At least that was the excuse Charley used when he spun the car off the track during braking................... :lol:

Jody

So, Jody.... If Charley went off track in Jackass.. can we now say that Charley Jackedo** ? I'm shocked - really shocked! :rofl:

[clill]

Funny guys...... The Carbon brakes work great when cold but as they heat up they get absolutely grippy. In the pics at the Gingerman event you can see white smoke coming off the front tires in one of the pics. Mark was smart enough to let off the brakes. At the same point on the track I hit the brakes to make the right hand turn in my warm up lap and locked them up. Stupid guy that I am I kept my foot on the brakes and slid all the way into the grass. It is hard to let your foot off the brakes at 100 mph when you need to make a hard right turn.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I was wondering is anyone would notice that.... Mark

We noticed, but at this point our 'Steilow= trick 1st gen Camaro' tolerance threshold has gotten real high ... :cool:

[GregWeld]

Sorry Charley! I just couldn't help myself... It's the Starbucks!

While I was doing the Spring Mountain Motorsports track - we repeatedly asked if we couldn't do laps WITHOUT the Corvettes traction control on.. the PROS told us - you won't be able to stay on the track without it... YEAH RIGHT we replied - "WE" know how to drive these buggers...

They relented and let us run sans TC -- and timed us (of course) and we were all WAY slower... no spins... but the cars (ZO6's) became a handful... tails hanging out and wallowing etc. and while it was fun - it became a lot of work! A couple of laps and we all then had to beg to be allowed to use the TC again. LOL

[aany001]

Mark you gonna be at Woodward?

[Stielow]

Mark you gonna be at Woodward?

I'll be at Woodward but with no car. Should have it done for next year.

[tones2SS]

Funny guys...... The Carbon brakes work great when cold but as they heat up they get absolutely grippy. In the pics at the Gingerman event you can see white smoke coming off the front tires in one of the pics. Mark was smart enough to let off the brakes. At the same point on the track I hit the brakes to make the right hand turn in my warm up lap and locked them up. Stupid guy that I am I kept my foot on the brakes and slid all the way into the grass. It is hard to let your foot off the brakes at 100 mph when you need to make a hard right turn.

WOW!!! Talk about stopping on a dime.:cheers:

[itsals1]

I know your very busy, but, Just wondering if you had any updates.

Travis

[70rs]

I'm sorry to do this, but I have to bring up the second gens again. I would love to see you do your magick on one of those. But then again I am a little biased.:D

[Stielow]

A little update:

I had added a few more items to the car and had Stenod do some work on the car.

Finished the exhaust, fuel lines and diff coolers line.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2809.jpg

Diff cooler pump

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2822.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2832.jpg

Aluminum Front Bumper and Diff and Trans coolers

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2830.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2820.jpg

[GregWeld]

Mark --

You don't need to be told - as usual - it's way over the top kool!

Love the lines! Nothing prettier than some nice stainless steel lines that are routed properly!


:thumbsup:

[awr68]

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2820.jpg


Nice! :thumbsup:
Mark, what's the rod running at an angle just in front of the stock fuel tank location? A panhard bracket stiffener?

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark, we've read on Lat-g how great 'X' rides and handles.

Any changes you're going to make to this car as far as the suspension tuning goes?

[camcojb]

looks great Mark. Some day we're gonna have a talk about those red and blue hose ends....................:P

Jody

[Stielow]

looks great Mark. Some day we're gonna have a talk about those red and blue hose ends....................:P

Jody

Well I had the a few red and blue "in stock" at home so I used them. All the new one under hood are black. Maybe Santa will bring me some new black ones. :lol:

[41565chevelle]

Love the build, just stole some killer ideas!!!

Gonna fill out a theft report and I am the suspect!

Keep up the great work!

[XcYZ]

Well I had the a few red and blue "in stock" at home so I used them. All the new one under hood are black. Maybe Santa will bring me some new black ones. :lol:

I have a Sharpie if that helps. :D :lol:

[GregWeld]

I dip those pesky red or blue anodized fittings in DRANO CYRSTALS and WATER mixed up in a plastic bucket - only takes a very small amount to do one or two at a time... but you can only use CRYSTAL drano... it's sold in a small black can with a red plastic lid. About $3 for a can of it.

Dunk that fitting in there hanging off a piece of welding rod - swish it around and rinse it off in fresh water - and polish it right up.

If you make the solution too strong - it will fizz and boil and you better be quick on your dip! Also DO NOT PUT THIS CLOSE TO YOUR FACE either - the fumes are more than nasty! Make it too weak and it takes forever... after a couple of batches you'll get the hang of it.

EEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Stielow]

Nice! :thumbsup:
Mark, what's the rod running at an angle just in front of the stock fuel tank location? A panhard bracket stiffener?


Yes I added a panhard rod stiffiner and tow hooks on the axle while I had the welder out.

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The car it turning out very nice all the DSE stuff is nice and fits well.

Stielow

[ohcbird]

Rearend cooling pump there on the right mount?

[Stielow]

I have a Sharpie if that helps. :D :lol:

OK I'll buy some more black ones. AN fittings are more expensive than a meth habit. A bag always cost me $100. Then I have to go back in a few days and buy more........ :_paranoid

Stielow

[Autokraft]

Looks pretty cool Mark :thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Rearend cooling pump there on the right mount?

Yes it is Weldon diff cooler pump mounted on the axle housing. I wanted it to be below the fluid level. They are a self priming pumps but I wanted to try it on the housing.

Mark

[camcojb]

Yes it is Weldon diff cooler pump mounted on the axle housing. I wanted it to be below the fluid level. They are a self priming pumps but I wanted to try it on the housing.

Mark
hey, just giving you some grief my friend. Car looks great.

Jody

[Stielow]

I dip those pesky red or blue anodized fittings in DRANO CYRSTALS and WATER mixed up in a plastic bucket - only takes a very small amount to do one or two at a time... but you can only use CRYSTAL drano... it's sold in a small black can with a red plastic lid. About $3 for a can of it.

Dunk that fitting in there hanging off a piece of welding rod - swish it around and rinse it off in fresh water - and polish it right up.

If you make the solution too strong - it will fizz and boil and you better be quick on your dip! Also DO NOT PUT THIS CLOSE TO YOUR FACE either - the fumes are more than nasty! Make it too weak and it takes forever... after a couple of batches you'll get the hang of it.

EEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA


You can use Easy-Off also

I stripped this fitting prior to welding it on my dry sump tank

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[waynieZ]

Mark I've enjoyed reading about your build and learnesd a lot . But this is killing me I don't have my car here to try any of them . Sweet build.

[Jr]

A little update:

I had added a few more items to the car and had Stenod do some work on the car.

Finished the exhaust, fuel lines and diff coolers line.

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Can someone help me out? The lines on the passenger side are for the diff cooler, right? I assume that the line on the left will be the fuel line? Also, I assume that this will be a dead head fuel setup...like the corvette?

[Stielow]

Can someone help me out? The lines on the passenger side are for the diff cooler, right? I assume that the line on the left will be the fuel line? Also, I assume that this will be a dead head fuel setup...like the corvette?

Lines on the pass side are 1/2" for diff cooler. I made them 1/2" due to the fact I'm going to the front of the car. The line on the left is a 3/8" fuel line. I put it on the driver’s side because the LS7 fuel feed is on that side of the engine. My first time making hardlines from scratch. It was fun if you have the right benders. I purchased Ridged benders off Ebay cheap. The 1/2" lines take some effort to bend.

Mark

[camcojb]

Lines on the pass side are 1/2" for diff cooler. I made them 1/2" due to the fact I'm going to the front of the car. The line on the left is a 3/8" fuel line. I put it on the driver’s side because the LS7 fuel feed is on that side of the engine. My first time making hardlines from scratch. It was fun if you have the right benders. I purchased Ridged benders off Ebay cheap. The 1/2" lines take some effort to bend.

Mark
I love the Ridgid stuff, they work great. Stainless can be tough to bend, gets pretty stiff in the 1/2" size. I learned on aluminum............ :unibrow:

Jody

[tones2SS]

Looks awesome Mark. Keep up the great work.:thumbsup:

[customcam]

Love it. Mark show us the wheels lol
Really Mark you are a pioneer in the car building game and an inspiration :hail:

[dave96dcm]

Sorry if I missed it, but what are you using for a dif fluid pump? Also when you have a system like that how to you set the "full" level? fill it, then run the pump then fill it again? or fill it with the pump on?

[Bow Tie 67]

I love the Ridgid stuff, they work great. Stainless can be tough to bend, gets pretty stiff in the 1/2" size. I learned on aluminum............ :unibrow:

Jody

Ridgid benders work great and using cheap aluminum for mock-up saves expensive mistakes with the stainless.

Any updates?

I have a question: When do you consider a diff cooler mandatory?

Matt

[Stielow]

I have a question: When do you consider a diff cooler mandatory?

Matt[/QUOTE]


At the minimum you should run a line off the diff to an overflow tank higher than the diff for track use. This will allow the fluid to get hot and have a place to expand into then drain back. I started to run diff coolers after I saw hot the diffs temps got during track use. If you want to know for sure add a thermal couple to the diff fluid. If the fluid gets hot than 140 C ( 284 F) degrees with synthetic fluid you will need a cooler. If you are running standard gear lube the temperature is lower.

A diff cooler is a little over kill for most Pro-Touring cars. If you have over 500 HP and are going fast for long track sessions it is cheap insurance. If you are just auto-crossing I wouldn’t spend the money.


Mark

[C5 Longroof]

Mark:

Even if it has been said 1000 times, it will never be said enough:

"Thank you sooo much for taking the time to explain all the details and reasoning behind all of the trick differences that puts your builds in a class all of their own...And doing this using language that doesn't appear "aimed" at only the high end guys, but at the same time doesn't sound like you are explaining it to a third grader...."

Does that make sense?...

It's obvious that you love what you do and I know I'm not alone in saying that we all really enjoy reading your replies to our inquiries...

Forever a fan,.....

Rick

[GregWeld]

X's 10,000 !!:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[customcam]

Mark, id like you to do an over the top build 1 day, Just 1
With your 'True Engineering' background,Knowledge, & Experience i can only imagine what a car it would be. :hail:

[awr68]

AWD first gen? :unibrow:

[nvr2fst]

AWD first gen? :unibrow:

Tony, its already being done, not sure if hes a member or not, but came across this a couple of months ago and bookmarked it for future whatever, its not no quadraduece but its a start.

http://www.projectawdcamaro.com/

Dont want to get offtrack on Marks build thread, but yes it would be cool if Mark hooked up with some of the top fabricators out there for a over the top car build.
Come to think of it he already did..............JA!

Dave

[89 RS]

Awesome work Mark. Any pics of the wheels yet?

[Stielow]

Awesome work Mark. Any pics of the wheels yet?

Got my Fikse wheel today with Toyo R888 tires 275 front and 335 rear

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[70rs]

PERFECT!! Really nice Mark!:thumbsup:

[Autokraft]

Lookin good Mark:thumbsup: U gonna run bars down through the dash on this one?

[waynieZ]

Wheels and tires look great .

[Bow Tie 67]

ABS + R compound = :thumbsup:

Mark do you think it will be at next years Motorstate Challenge?

[z4me69]

those wheels are sick love the cut on the side of the spokes:hail: :hail:

[Stielow]

ABS + R compound = :thumbsup:

Mark do you think it will be at next years Motorstate Challenge?

I hope to get it to paint soon and have it back from paint by Christmas. Paul VanNs and his son Joe are going to paint it, it should be nice. If all goes well I will have it back from paint by Christmas. I have two weeks off during the holidays to start assembling it. The goal is to have it at Autoramma in March and on the track by April.

It would be great to be at The Motorstate challange again. We had a blast last year. :lateral:

[Neil B]

Nice. Looks like they took some weight out of the center and the sides of the spokes. Are the wheels a new, lightweight version of the Profil 5S?

[awr68]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
No cage in this one, Mark?

[NovaBlue71]

Looking great Mark, Love the wheels. What a difference putting Fikses on Pauls car made they are very high quaility wheels.

Paul and I are looking forward to getting started on your car.

Joe

[syborg tt]

I hope to get it to paint soon and have it back from paint by Christmas. Paul VanNs and his son Joe are going to paint it, it should be nice. If all goes well I will have it back from paint by Christmas.


You couldn't have picked a nicer family to paint your car. Plus there paint work is incredible. I love what Dad did on the earnhardt camaro.

[tones2SS]

Looking good Mark.
Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Laura and I took my Camaro to the VanNus' to get painted today.

Looking forward to seeing it in paint.

:burnout:

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[Autokraft]

Mark, cant wait to see it in color. Couldn't have chose a better team to paint that car, it will be top notch no doubt:thumbsup:

Kurt

[protour73]

Mark, I just went through this whole thread ..... it never ceases to amaze me as to how much I can learn about new ways to engineer, new equipment to add, and better ways to build these cars. I can't wait to see this car finished!!!

Your ABS system sounds very cutting edge.......I researched ABS for my 1973 Camaro build a couple years back and saw that this is not choice for the weekend mechanic !!! :D It sure would be nice to see someone develop and market this technology for guys like me.

PM sent on those platforms that the Nova sits on in the garage pic

Scott

[GregWeld]

Mark... Those wheels are Beachin' !! :lol:

Can't wait to see it in paint!

[camcojb]

PM sent on those platforms that the Nova sits on in the garage pic

Scott
hopefully you pm'd Vannus, that is not Marks house.............. :D

Jody

[protour73]

hopefully you pm'd Vannus, that is not Marks house.............. :D

Jodysheeesh........I guess I found out real good what happens when you "assume". LOL

Thanks Jody...........and THANKS to Ryan (rlplive) who PM'd a link on how to build those.:lateral:

[XcYZ]

Hey, there's Jr. Van Nus.... we have proof that he's still alive. :cheers:

[tones2SS]

Keep us posted Mark.
Should look killer after paint.:thumbsup:

[T Bell]

Thanks Jody...........and THANKS to Ryan (rlplive) who PM'd a link on how to build those.:lateral:

there just 2x4's nailed together, right. Please share the recipe if I'm misinformed.

[89 RS]

Looks good Mark. :thumbsup: Those wheels are awesome. Can't wait to see it after it gets painted.

[MarkM66]

Where does it actually get painted? Is there a booth nearby?

[NovaBlue71]

We are awaiting a few things to get into our shop. should be a couple weeks yet. for now we have already started Marks car in our shop at home. We'll be sure to post pictures along the way and when its in the booth for paint.:)

Paul made those stands in a couple hours, Went to Home Depot and got the wood and a box of screws.

Joe

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Can't wait to see progress on the outside Joe! And tell Paul that girlfriends are a dime a dozen at his age...:lol:

[olds87]

Can someone tell me what color the car going to be? and another thing nice progress.

[syborg tt]

Paul made those stands in a couple hours, Went to Home Depot and got the wood and a box of screws.

Joe

here is a link

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45721&goto=newpost

[Stielow]

Can someone tell me what color the car going to be? and another thing nice progress.

It is going to be red. Debating between a couple shades. I always liked the color we put on the Thrasher.

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[WILWAXU]

It is going to be red. Debating between a couple shades. I always liked the color we put on the Thrasher.LMAO!
I assumed that it was going to be blue.. per the title of the thread :lol:

Red should be cool! :thumbsup:

[ZMAN1969]

It is going to be red. Debating between a couple shades. I always liked the color we put on the Thrasher.

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It will look great in any color, and as a suggestion for the next car #13 (there will be more wont there?) may I suggest Fathom Green? :unibrow: I used to have a Fathom Green R/S Z and have always liked it - it even looks black at night. Thanks Mark you keep alot of us drooling :thumbsup:

[Rybar]

It is going to be red. Debating between a couple shades. I always liked the color we put on the Thrasher.

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Excellent choice Mark! Thrasher was the main car you built that inspired my build. Plus they don't call it re-sale red for no reason :thumbsup:

[Serpa69]

I always liked the BBS RK wheels that were on that car. And the red paint. What year was the thrasher finished?

[Vegas69]

Not trying to me a smart alec....but it's named the "Blue" bomber. :D

[Rybar]

I think he actually called the car APEX, notice the thread starter was not Mark.

[Steve68]

It will look great in any color, and as a suggestion for the next car #13 (there will be more wont there?) may I suggest Fathom Green? :unibrow: I used to have a Fathom Green R/S Z and have always liked it - it even looks black at night. Thanks Mark you keep alot of us drooling :thumbsup:

Not many people are a fan of Deep Fathom Green, they'll tell you its the wrong color to put on a car, but too bad, my car is DFG,

[tones2SS]

Not many people are a fan of Deep Fathom Green, they'll tell you its the wrong color to put on a car, but too bad, my car is DFG,

I agree with not mayn people being fans of that color, but done correctly, it'll look killer!!
Look at the car of the month for October, Paul Dykes car. Killer car and killer color. Not sure if it is DFG or not. Looks good for a green car though.:thumbsup: :cheers:

[Stielow]

I took all my old rusty bolts and had them acid stripped and zinc plated. I took bolts from all my old Camaros and other bolts. It is cool to have the original bolts clean and ready to install.

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Mark

[lil427z]

mark i need some bolts . can you share .
thanks rick k:lateral:

[NovaBlue71]

The Funny thing is. Mark could tell you where everyone of those bolts goes on a 69 camaro.:yes: Joe

[Stielow]

mark i need some bolts . can you share .
thanks rick k:lateral:

I took about 30 lbs of bolts to Mid-State Plating in scenic Flint, MI. Mid-State charged me $100 for the box. The bolts can't have paint on them but a little light rust and grim is OK. Most of my bolts look like brand new. I have done the repo bolt deal and they are not the same as the take out fasteners. I have also done Totally Stainless Bolts and they are great and well labeled by area of the car.

Mark

[Vegas69]

That's a great idea. That's a ton of hardware for the bread.

[GregWeld]

Gentlemen!!!

Start Your Sorting!!

Eeeeehhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

[DOOM]

I took all my old rusty bolts and had them acid stripped and zinc plated. I took bolts from all my old Camaros and other bolts. It is cool to have the original bolts clean and ready to install.

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Mark

Ah, Mark can I purchase that one bolt on the right :question: :P

[XcYZ]

Mesmerized by shiny objects

:lol: That's pretty good.

[69x22]

Mark, what do you usually do about venting the fuel tanks on the cars that you build? I have read allot of info about venting on here, but it doesn't seem that allot of people are 100% happy with their vent system?
Thanks, Tony

[clill]

I took all my old rusty bolts and had them acid stripped and zinc plated. I took bolts from all my old Camaros and other bolts. It is cool to have the original bolts clean and ready to install.

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Mark

I think I see the kitchen sink in there.

[Bow Tie 67]

I think I see the kitchen sink in there.

There in the kitchen sink, oh the memories of when I was still single.

[GregWeld]

I don't get it... where else would you clean a dirty part?? Dirty dishes... Dirty parts... no difference in my book... :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Mark, it might make your vendors' day to know how much excitement their service is causing on the world wide web! :lol:

[Bowtieracing]

Mark, what do you usually do about venting the fuel tanks on the cars that you build? I have read allot of info about venting on here, but it doesn't seem that allot of people are 100% happy with their vent system?
Thanks, Tony


I would like to hear your opinioin too for this. I dont even recall seeing vent in ricks tank at all ?

Parsons had went kit for sale but will it work with ricks tank?

[Sales@Dutchboys]

We are looking forward to getting rolling on Marks car, We will be sure to take a bunch of pictures along the way. its going to be sweet all done.:thumbsup:

Paul

[awr68]

Paul, did you paint your car blue?

[Autokraft]

Paul, did you paint your car blue?


I was wondering the same thing? Is that the same car?

[gearheads78]

mark i need some bolts . can you share .
thanks rick k:lateral:
Rick there is a place in Garland called Sentinel Plating that I took all my hardware and all my aftermarket parts that were gold zinc and had them clear cad just like that picture. Very reasonable.

[GregWeld]

You know what I found out (a buddy showed me) about Cad plating?? It buffs up just like chrome!!

Of course - Mark likes his stuff "stock" looking... but just thought I'd toss that in there in case anyone cared.

[Sales@Dutchboys]

I was wondering the same thing? Is that the same car?

Paul, did you paint your car blue?

Yes we did, its the same car and I changed the interior up, I have a few pictures I need to load up on my laptop and ill post them up, I was really hoping to have it a Chicago Good-guys. but I had a really bad miss. and ended up being a bad MSD Pro-Billet Distributor. but it ended up working out because I have a couple things I want to sort out over the Winter like shocks and springs, rear gear change etc...

Paul

[awr68]

Paul it looks good...what color blue is it? Looks like LeMans?

[Stielow]

Mark, what do you usually do about venting the fuel tanks on the cars that you build? I have read allot of info about venting on here, but it doesn't seem that allot of people are 100% happy with their vent system?
Thanks, Tony

The last Rick's tank I got for Charley's JA vent worked with no proplems. We just hooked up a 3/8 line to the vent on the tank and ran it to the back of the car.

Earlier tanks I had to move the vent to the filler neack of the tank to get it to the highest point in the tank.

Mark

[JohnC]

Are you using a 4-point cage?

Is it going to have a backseat?

What will the uses of this car be?

Thanks

[waynieZ]

Mark I'm useing a stock tank with this Aeromotive sump http://www.jegs.com/i/Aeromotive/027/18650/10002/-1?parentProductId=1137105 Could I put the vent in the fuel fill tube with a check valve ?

[JohnC]

Thanks for the PM. Any other cars that you have done have 4-points??

[Stielow]

A little up date on the body work.

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Paul and Joe are doing a great job. The car is looking very straight.

Mark

[Stielow]

Thanks for the PM. Any other cars that you have done have 4-points??

The Thrasher and Camaro X only had 4 cages. The 4 pint and a cross bar behind the front seats give good attachment points for the shoulder belts.

Mark

[camcojb]

The Thrasher and Camaro X only had 4 cages. The 4 pint and a cross bar behind the front seats give good attachment points for the shoulder belts.

Mark
Malitude was also a 4 point bar with crossbar behind the seat.

Jody

[buickfunnycar.com]

Malitude was also a 4 point bar with crossbar behind the seat...

What more do you need...?

[BRIAN]

Thats what a proper skim coat should look like. Notice no built up edges or seams. Everything clean and sharp. Most do not notice the difference. Car should be killer when done!! Then again your cars always do!

[tones2SS]

Very nice.:thumbsup:

[DOOM]

Mark do you think Paul and Joe can give us a little insight on the body prep prosesse? I think it would be great to here or see how its done!

[olds87]

Any updates on car Stielow?

[NovaBlue71]

Mark is coming over tommorow. I would think we should be able to get some progress pics of bodywork on car and get them posted. thanks Joe

[waynieZ]

Your doing an awesome job Joe.

[Stielow]

Paul and Joe have been working away on my car. I think this will be the best paint job I have every had. They have been a blast to work with and have a great attention to detail. They just rented a building and should have their shop set up in Feb. If you want a top notch paint job get in touch with them to get on their waiting list. :thumbsup:

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Trial fitting the aluminum hood

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[Steve1968LS2]

Looks great! Now go work on one of my stories! lol

Seriously, this is going to be a killer ride.. should really tear up the autocross! :_paranoid

[Stielow]

:thumbsup: This is all Charley's fault.....

When I was at SEMA I started to think I wanted MORE power in my new project.

Then I drove Jack Ass in the Optima Shoot Out and I knew I needed more power.

I really dJA and the way the LS9 works in that car. So I'm doing a bigger displacement LS9 a LS9.2. Brian Thomson is building me a 427 CID LS9 :thumbsup: http://thomsonautomotive.com/home

Thomson Automotive is a great source for LSx engines. My short block should be together in a few weeks.

All I have to change on my car to go from the LS7 to the LS9.2 is:

Radiator
Fans
Front end accy drive
Engine
Clutch
Transmission
Drive shaft
Rear axle ratio
Fuel Pump(s)
Engine mounts
Notch DSE sub frame

And add:

Intercooler
Intercooler pump

I got the LS9 accy drive to fit the DSE front clip.

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I'm cutting off the stock throttle body and angling it toward the driverside fender. The stock LS9 TB angles up and toward the center of the car. Cutting it off and aiming it toward the fender will make it flow better and make the inlet tube a better package.

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Our goal is 800 HP and 800 ft*lb of torque :thumbsup:

Mark

[Stielow]

Looks great! Now go work on one of my stories! lol

Seriously, this is going to be a killer ride.. should really tear up the autocross! :_paranoid

I got some better shots and tech for some stories for Camaro Performers.

I learned a lot from Jack Ass and learning more about LS9's on this project.

This thing should tear up the Auto-Xs. lol

OK - Rupp on the Auto-X deal I have 2 national champs at work that I have worked with helping them get up to speed on road course stuff. They have agreed to get me tuned up for Auto-Xs this spring. :cool:

Should be fun.

Stielow

[70rs]

So a couple minor changes and the new motor drops right in? :lol:
Very nice Mark! This thing is going to be just awesome!
Thanks for the updates.:cheers:

[GregWeld]

I've heard Charley is enrolled in a top secret Auto X school -- and he plans to wipe the track with all of you.... :rofl: :rofl:

Steve -- Sounds like you better be planning on "mo bigga" for motorvation...

Optima 2010 should be better than ever! I personally can't wait.

Bomber looks great Mark!

[tones2SS]

Very cool Mark. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[WILWAXU]

Body work looks great and who can argue with more power :D

[GregWeld]

Very cool Charlie. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

Tones -- I was KIDDING........
:rofl:

[olds87]

Wow man.

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[clill]

How about we run more open track and just call it high speed autocross ? Or autocross with balls...or autocross for adults ...or.....:lol:

[customcam]

:bow:

[Vegas69]

Going to be the best yet. 800 hp :willy: Can't wait to see that baby on the track.

[66LS7]

Hi Mark, this going to be another awsome Camaro build to chalk up! Will it be ready for Motor State Challenge?




Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[waynieZ]

I can't wait to see this come together!

[Sales@Dutchboys]

We are very happy with how the car is turning out. We are getting ready to put Marks car on the rotisserie this week and paint the bottom. Then once we pull it off it will be ready for a quick sand on the body and its ready to paint.:thumbsup:

The engine is looking killer Mark! Im calling one of the first rides:lol:

Paul

["Swoosh"]

:unibrow: :thumbsup:

[Bow Tie 67]

:thumbsup:
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Our goal is 800 HP and 800 ft*lb of torque :thumbsup:

Mark


I need that part in your hand!!!!

Will Motorstate be its debut?

Looking good guys, how is the brake system coming along?

[radrambler]

Guys

Joe and Paul are a great father son team.:thumbsup:
Nice to see the dedication and skill passed down.
If you havent seen one of Joes paint jobs in person, your missing something.
Beautiful paint..but not just paint, he bodyworks the cars so slick .

Joe ,wish you and your son a great 2010 :cheers:

Tom

[Rybar]

:thumbsup: This is all Charley's fault.....

Our goal is 800 HP and 800 ft*lb of torque :thumbsup:

Mark

One up-manship at it's best. A Red '69 with full DSE treatment, 427 LS9 with 800hp. :drool:

You continue to out-do yourself and all others with your builds Mark. Please keep building cars I love every one of your builds. :hail:

[awr68]

Looking great guys! :thumbsup:

[tones2SS]

One up-manship at it's best. A Red '69 with full DSE treatment, 427 LS9 with 800hp. :drool:

You continue to out-do yourself and all others with your builds Mark. Please keep building cars I love every one of your builds. :hail:

Ryan just about summed it up best here!:thumbsup:

[Jr]

:thumbsup:

I really dJA and the way the LS9 works in that car. So I'm doing a bigger displacement LS9 a LS9.2. Brian Thomson is building me a 427 CID LS9 :thumbsup: http://thomsonautomotive.com/home

Thomson Automotive is a great source for LSx engines. My short block should be together in a few weeks.
Our goal is 800 HP and 800 ft*lb of torque :thumbsup:

Mark

Mark,
Why not ditch the roots blower and use turbos? Wouldn't the turbos also save you some weight? Is ALL that torque down low in the RPM range absolutely necessary?

[Vegas69]

I'll sum it up in one word for you....Heat.

[Stielow]

Mark,
Why not ditch the roots blower and use turbos? Wouldn't the turbos also save you some weight? Is ALL that torque down low in the RPM range absolutely necessary?

I thought about turbos but the blower has the following advantages

1 The GM blower drive is fully sorted out and validated
2 Less Heat
3 No turbo lag - better throttle response
4 Less fabrication - better packaging
5 The blower has intercooler built in

I've done turbo cars and I like the blower cars better so far.

The blower weights about 65 lbs and rest of the parts needed weight 20 lbs. So for around 85 lbs I'll add a bunch of power.

My plan is to have the car ready for Father's Day at Motorstate Challange. I'm not doing Autoramma due to my engine swap.

I've had the last week off for vacation and I've be able to modify the DSE sub-frame to clear the A/C comp. The GM A/C compressor would not fit so I mounted a Vintage Air unit. Also, to clear the A/C comp I need to swap to a 2002 F-car engine mount.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2922.jpg

Last night I finished angeling the throttle body. My aluminum welding is OK but Joe's at Stenodes is great. So I'll take it to Joe tomorrow to weld it up.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2918.jpg

Speaking of aluminum welding. Joe is also mounting my new Griffin rad, VA A/C condensor and the aftercooler. The Griffin rad is BIG. It it about 20 % bigger than the one I used in JA. JA never over-heated but we will be making more heat than JA.

Mark

[GvEman]

Awesome project! Its gona be insane when its done!

[Stuart Adams]

Just make sure you have the seat belts securely fastened!! Cool car.

[Rick D]

Awsome car and very nice work. The one thing that gets me is how many pepole have an extra DSE sub frame to use when working on the car??? One looks to be under the car in the pictures of body work and then one for engine mock up. Very cool!!!! :hail: :hail: :hail:

[66LS7]

Hi Mark, I was wondering what is the rear gear going to be & what is the set up in the T-56 trans? Joe & Paul are doing a great job on the car, can't wait to see paint on it.:thumbsup:



Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[Jr]

I thought about turbos but the blower has the following advantages

1 The GM blower drive is fully sorted out and validated
2 Less Heat
3 No turbo lag - better throttle response
4 Less fabrication - better packaging
5 The blower has intercooler built in

I've done turbo cars and I like the blower cars better so far.

The blower weights about 65 lbs and rest of the parts needed weight 20 lbs. So for around 85 lbs I'll add a bunch of power.

Mark

Do you think that the 427 will overextend the efficiency of the LS9 intercooler? Do you know how high the JA IAT's got during the Optima event?

David

[Stielow]

Awsome car and very nice work. The one thing that gets me is how many pepole have an extra DSE sub frame to use when working on the car??? One looks to be under the car in the pictures of body work and then one for engine mock up. Very cool!!!! :hail: :hail: :hail:

While Joe and Paul have the car on the rotisserie I have the sub frame and the rad support. I should be done in time to put it back under the car so they can finish the body work.

Mark

[Rick D]

Ok Cool, I got it now. But still would be cool to have an extra DSE sub frame laying around!!

[olds87]

Any updates?

[Stielow]

I finised the cooler stack and the induction tube.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2968-1.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2970.jpg

The engine should be done in a few weeks.

The "Blue Bomber" is now RED. Well some parts. Should be all painted in a few weeks

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2973.jpg

Stielow

[GregWeld]

Love the red Mark!!

Nice work on the cooler stack too! Yeah - and that filter thingy too!

[WILWAXU]

From Blue Bomber to Red Rocket. :D

Can't wait to see it going together!

[66LS7]

From Blue Bomber to Red Rocket. :D

Can't wait to see it going together!

That thing is going to fly like a Rocket.:thumbsup: Great job Mark.




Randy(D&Z Customs LLC.)
[email protected]
1-262-347-9741

[Sales@Dutchboys]

We've been making some good progress on Marks car the last few weeks, we got most of the parts painted saturday and now just have the shell left, here are a few shots I took this weekend.

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2506.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2510.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2520.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2524.jpg

http://i784.photobucket.com/albums/yy130/Dutchboyshotrods/DSCF2532.jpg

Paul

[DOOM]

Joe , Paul ... Man its looking good!! Standox!! Mark is getting the top shelf!! Can't wait to see the final product...:wow:

[radrambler]

Paul

Thanks for posting pics...:thumbsup:
Should grab attention !


Tom

[68protouring454]

nice work joe/paul.
standox is the stuff for sure.
next time, try the 2k hs clear, lays on nice and can be sanded and buffed for months.

[rwhite692]

Volkswagen Salsa Red. Very nice color, it has a nice darker shade to it.

[Rick D]

Looks very nice. I second the Standox HS flows out much better than 15 - 60 clear.

[Stielow]

I tormented Laura my girl friend with "REDS" for 2 months prior to SEMA and that was after wine. :cheers:

We would driving by dealers looking at cars and spraying out paint samples. The VW Salsa Red appealed to me. It could be I like reds because I'm a little color blind in the yellow and blue spectrum.

Joe and Paul are doing a great job. The paint looks and feels great. This car will be very nice.

Stielow

[GregWeld]

Mark Stielow says "This car will be very nice".


Yeah we hope so too Mark -- 'cause all your other builds have been so lame...:rofl:

[NovaBlue71]

Jake, Rick, I'll have to look at the hs.The 15-60 plus is a totally new product and spray's nothing like the old 15-60. I have sprayed both and the 15-60 plus has alittle of that 2k premium feel to it.thanks Joe.

[Stenod]

Looking killer mark!

Shouldn't take long to assemble once she's back from paint :thumbsup:

[XcYZ]

The VW Salsa Red appealed to me.

I almost painted my car that same color. Had some spray outs done with it, too. I really like that color.

[awr68]

I almost painted my car that same color. Had some spray outs done with it, too. I really like that color.

Add me to that list as well! It was between VW Salsa Red or Mercedes Mars Red....then of course I went BMW blue and then now Ferrari grey!! :lol: :willy:

Looks great guys! Can't wait to see it bolted together!! :thumbsup:

[JohnC]

It could be I like reds because I'm a little color blind in the yellow and blue spectrum.

Joe and Paul are doing a great job. The paint looks and feels great. This car will be very nice.

Stielow

That makes sense. Guys(males) are more common to have a red/green color deficiency---just one more thing that makes you unique!
...sorry just the eye doc in me.:_paranoid :cool:

[Rybar]

Red looks great Mark. Thanks for the updates. :thumbsup:

[waynieZ]

Nice color. It looks great.

[tones2SS]

Looking really good Mark!!:thumbsup:

[Jr]

The Thrasher and Camaro X only had 4 cages. The 4 pint and a cross bar behind the front seats give good attachment points for the shoulder belts.

Mark

Mark,
Do you still plan on running a 4 point in this camaro?

[Bowtieracing]

Looks really nice Mark! Cant wait to see your dyno numbers with that engine.


Sorry for some off topic but what is that airfilter ? I am going to place my inlet tube similar way in left side fender. And would like to know what airfilter to use - As big as possible and with 4" inlet.




http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2970.jpg

The engine should be done in a few weeks.

The "Blue Bomber" is now RED. Well some parts. Should be all painted in a few weeks

Stielow

[796spdbu]

Nice color Mark! Your Camaro's are always top notch!

[buickfunnycar.com]

...Red is Real! :yes: :captain:

[bill amsley]

just saw you driving jackass on speed channel(optima). impressive, it looked like the camera car was having trouble keeping up. very cool, bill

[killerdiller]

looks great Mark,any work on when your mule build book will be out???

[olds87]

Any updates?

[Stielow]

looks great Mark,any work on when your mule build book will be out???

I gave the guy writing the book all the material in June last year....the ball is in his court. :_paranoid

I just left Thomson Automotive (http://thomsonautomotive.com). The long block on my engine is togther and they were just bolting on the blower. We should have dyno data this week. I have had a few engines built but this one has me very excited. All the parts looks great and the package should be awsome. I'll post pictures and data when I get it.

Looking forward to getting the car back from paint and starting to work on it again.

Should be a fun summer of track events.

Stielow

[Stielow]

I know you guys like pictures so here is a very bland one....:lol:

[WSSix]

lol it is funny how unassuming the engine is just sitting there.

[Stielow]

Off to the dyno tomorrow

[66LS7]

Off to the dyno tomorrow


Looks great Mark, can't wait to see the #'s it makes! Will you have it at Road America in May?

[waynieZ]

That is sweet! Should make some good numbers.

[Stielow]

Looks great Mark, can't wait to see the #'s it makes! Will you have it at Road America in May?

I think I will aim for the Putnum Park event May 30. May 1 is a little aggressive for timing. Still have a lot of work to do. :cheers:

Stielow

[coolwelder62]

:lol: Mark if you cant make road america.Want to drive my car!!!!.

[Stielow]

:lol: Mark if you cant make road america.Want to drive my car!!!!.

What do you have to drive?? :unibrow:

[coolwelder62]

Mark this is my clunker:http://www.lateral-g.net/members/mock

[Stielow]

Mark this is my clunker:http://www.lateral-g.net/members/mock

Wow thats a cool car. I don't know everyones moniker....

I'll send you a PM

Stielow

[Stielow]

I have come up with a name for my new project - "Big Steam"

This is the dyno curve off my new engine-

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/dyno.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2987.jpg

A LS9 based engine with the following changes

7.0 L instead of 6.2 L
3 to 1 pulley ratio
LS7 Throttle body
Revised cam
Revised blower inlet

Should run good.

Stielow

[Autokraft]

Wow Mark, just exactly how are you going to refrain from melting the tires off with that much power? :hail: :hail: :lol: :lol:

[Vegas69]

That's all you got?:unibrow:

[GregWeld]

Mark ---

That's a WOW..... Nice TQ numbers!

Terrible name... hope you're just kidding.

[Autokraft]

I just looked at that graph again. Over 600ft lbs at 2500??? Thats crazy!!:thumbsup:

[Stielow]

Should get the car back from paint next week. It is all painted and Paul and Joe are doing the final assembly and rub oub out.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3009.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3010.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_3012.jpg

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq118/Stielow65/DSC_2984.jpg

Stielow

[Stielow]

I just looked at that graph again. Over 600ft lbs at 2500??? Thats crazy!!:thumbsup:

And that is with STOCK exhaust manifolds and 93 octane fuel :thumbsup:

It idles at 650 rpm like a stocker. Ultimate sleeper.

All stock blower and intercooler bricks.

GM stuff is the best but I'm tainted. :_paranoid

Stielow

[JohnC]

Should run good.

Stielow


So far, the understatement of the year!

Mark, :thumbsup:

Super nice guy with amazing talent... ...again.

[customcam]

So the dyno pull was done with Stock headers? Omg
800 ft/pds of Torque at 3800 or so :wow: