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Al Moreno
12-18-2008, 04:53 PM
This is an e-mail I received today. After reading the letter from Gregory Knox, I couldn't agree more.


Abridged letter from Troy Clarke, President of General Motors, followed by a response from Gregory Knox


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Dear Employee,

Next week, Congress and the current Administration will determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis. As an employee, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard.

Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.


Troy Clarke,
President General Motors North America


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From Gregory Knox

In response to your request to call legislators and ask for a bailout for the United States automakers please consider the following, and please also pass this onto Troy Clark, the president of General Motors North America for me.

You are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has bred like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping the nation, awaiting our new "messiah" to wave his magical wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep "living the dream"?

The dream is over!

The dream that we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities?and that still the masses will line up to buy our products

Don't tell me I'm wrong.? Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I have called on Ford,GM ,Chrysler,TRW,Delphi,Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM's and Tier ones for 3 decades now throughout the Midwest, and what I've seen over the years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.

Mr Clark, the president of General Motors, states:

There is widespread sentiment in this country, our government and especially in the media that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management. It is not?

You're right. It's not JUST management. How about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40-hour week

How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive (mustn't expose the lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we)? Do you really not know about this stuff?!?

How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea:

Over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors.

What the hell has Detroit been doing for the last 40 years?

Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them?

The K car vs. the Accord?

The Pinto vs. the Civic?

Do I need to go on?

We are living through the nevitable outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry for decades.

Time to pay for your sins, Detroit.

I attended an economic summit last week where a brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu, surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money". Yes, he said, this would cause short term problems, but despite what people like George Bush and Troy Clark would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day and something else would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks new efficient ones would pop up. That is how a free market system works. It does work if we would let it work.


But for some reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work, that we need the government to step in and "save us. Save us, hell! We're nationalizing and unfortunately too many of this once fine nations citizens don't even have a clue that this is what's really happening, but they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams. Yeah THAT'S important.

Does it occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles EXTREMELY PROFITABLY for decades now in this country.

How can that be?

Let's see...

Fuel efficient?

Listening to customers?

Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul?

Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr. W. Edwards Deming four decades ago?

Ever increased productivity through quality, lean and six sigma plans?


Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy"?

Efficient front and back offices?

Non union environment?

I could go on and on, but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know.

I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did at their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way). I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work them through. Radical concept, huh? I'm there for them in the wings, of course, but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults. I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government.

Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins.

Bad news people -- it's coming whether we like it or not. The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away." I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the vote count was tallied. "We might not do it in a year or in four." Where was that kind of talk when he was running for office?

Stop trying to put off the inevitable. That house in Florida really isn't worth $750,000. People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care benefits. That job driving that forklift for the big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year. That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 re ally shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home.

Let the market correct itself . It will! Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna be painful either way. And the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it is a nation that appreciates what is has, doesn't live beyond its means, gets back to basics, redevelops the work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world, and probably turns back to God.

Sorry, don't cut my head off. I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news."


Gregory J. Knox, President
Knox Machinery, Inc.
Franklin , Ohio 45005

Vegas69
12-18-2008, 04:57 PM
Don't we have enough of this junk floating around already?? Plenty of negativity floating around, this isn't the place. IMO

Fitter480
12-18-2008, 06:31 PM
Don't we have enough of this junk floating around already?? Plenty of negativity floating around, this isn't the place. IMO

x2 for sure

War
12-18-2008, 06:35 PM
I think that was a well written piece by Mr. Knox. Guess I just don't like to stick my head in the sand.....IMO

PSV
12-18-2008, 09:04 PM
I completely agree with the letter and don't see any reason to sugar coat the facts. This is exactly the message that needs to be spread around the country. :thumbsup: Mr. Knox for telling like it is!

Al Moreno
12-18-2008, 09:45 PM
This E-mail was sent to me from my buddy's father who owns Niagara Water. They supply Sam's Club, Wal-Mart, etc... with their bottle water.

I guess when you own your own business and you know how hard it is to build a successful business, this attitude of "entitlement" gives you a feeling of disgust.

Flash68
12-18-2008, 11:04 PM
I think that was a well written piece by Mr. Knox.

I agree.

tones2SS
12-19-2008, 04:49 AM
Ok, I do believe it is a well written letter, except for the some spelling/grammer issues, but as far as stating the facts?
Does he know "FOR SURE" that GM has guys hanging out in the plant or giving the newbies too much grief for going too fast as a "fact"??
I'm not bashing the guy nor his letter, but if there is proof that what he is saying is true, then GM is a lot to blame in my opinion for what is happening. I mean, the company I work for would NEVER allow guys to hang out or give people grief for going too fast to get over-time pay. It's just bad management/people management of time, which is money.
Like I said, I'm not bashing the guy nor his letter. But if he has SOLID proof that this stuff is happening, then that would be a BIG "shame on you" to GM.
And I'm a Chevy nut!!:lateral:

SWAPMEETCRAZY
12-19-2008, 07:21 AM
from friends that work at shreveport plant----IT HAPPENS--i luv gm--i am railroad union-but the UAW has got to realize mistakes and make changes -and gm management!!
Anyone realize yet we are fixing to bailout a privately owned company--CHRYSLER!! I realize the after effects if one of the big 3 goes down but a company that is not publicly traded!!! next we will be bailing the local soda shop!!:willy: :willy:

tones2SS
12-19-2008, 07:26 AM
from friends that work at shreveport plant----IT HAPPENS--i luv gm--i am railroad union-but the UAW has got to realize mistakes and make changes -and gm management!!


Wow. Shame on GM for not "addressing" the problem before getting out of hand.:(
Management is supposed to watch excess money being spent and to make sure the employees more efficient @ work and/or actually work. It's a shame.