A 67 Camaro @ Ironworks??????

[ironworks]

Well we picked up a 67 RS/SS 3 weeks ago from Rich Allen in Martinez Ca. Since we picked it up we have made our own mini tubs so we could get the car to sit where we wanted. You will notice the radius is tighter then stock. It looks like a 315 may fit under the rear at the ride height we have. We got the Ls2 Rich had built a while back. We installed it and are looking to get a Procharger on this engine her in the next week. We have 2 plans that should get it on there with the Synister bracket systems. We got the subframe connectors installed today from DSE. The Mattison Radiator is a really nice piece. We also cleaned up the front valance and are working on tring to decide exactly how we want to modfy the bumpers. You will see the mods we already made in the pics. I would say we are heading in the right direction. I really dig the stance we got on the car and think we can get the exhaust over the axle pretty easy. We will begin building the exhaust here pretty soon and fine tuning some details before we get some paint on this Camaro....... This is kind weird to say that.

Rich had collected some of the very best parts avalible for this build and we are honored to be able to put this bad boy togther for him. He is trying to decide between either the Fikse 13 spokes or the 11 spoke HRE wheels. We will be running BFG rubber. It has ATS spindles on the front with Some Wilwood SL6's and SL4's.

Let me know how you think we are doing for some guys who weld the car to the chassis table to begin work. This seems a little strange to not order 10 stick of DOM tubing to start a project.

[Ricochet]

A Camaro at Ironworks? No..Say it isn't so? And to think most of us thought you only knew how to do Nova's :rofl: Looks great!! No doubt will be happy with his choice to give it to you guys!!

Brent

[ironworks]

I will know at 8 am tommorrow, he has not seen these pics yet.

[Spiffav8]

The stance is wicked! I'm jealous!!

The work on the lower valance is awesome. Looks clean and not overly done.

:thumbsup:

[mark smith]

I think you guys nailed the stance.never heard of that kind of radiator.looks like a nice one.

[awr68]

Looks good Rodger! Like what I see so far!! Will you be using a front bumper? How about turn signal location? What's the car going to end up looking like...does Rich have a rendering done yet? Paint color, trim, ect?

Keep up the great work!! :thumbsup:

[rich-allen]

I made the 580 mile round trip to see Rodgers shop and the work completed over this past couple weeks. I have to say that every time I meet with Rodger I come away more impressed than before. The shop, equipment and the projects on the floor are beyond exceptional and speak for themselves.

A major portion of the shop is dedicated to fabrication while another portion is dedicated to clean work.

As far as my build, I let Rodger make all the decisions on the stance, tubs, valance and bumper work, I figure why tell an artist how to paint right?

Were deciding on the marker lights now... The car will have them we just
haven't decided what kind or where... At one point we were considering 69 style markers.

I'm thinking about a couple different colors, Rodger thinks a color similar to the military coating you see on Meziere water pumps with flat black hockey stripes.

Thanks again Rodger, you've given me that extra push I needed to complete this project. :cheers:

Rich

[Flash68]

Awesome. Was waiting to see this thread get started! :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Well I think Rich liked what he saw..... There were no Nova parts on his car. We kept his car pretty much separated from the Big nova gang on the other side of the shop. I will start a link on my website with some more pics of the mini tubs and many of the other aspects of the build as we progress. Rich informed me today we just need to order the wheels and get the decision over with. Apparently he is not sleeping to well right now. HEHE

The next few steps will be the exhaust, Procharger and intercooler, and ordering the wheels.

It was great hanging out with you this morning, This project should be pretty interesting in the next few weeks.

Rodger

[radrambler]

rich

one hell of a group of parts you have on this car....1st rate :thumbsup:
looking good...
so what is the theme/look your going for ..???


radrambler

[BRIAN]

You guys look like you do some killer work but I have to ask why no pics of finished cars on your site?? Gotta update the site would love to see some final product from the looks of the project section.

[rich-allen]

rich

one hell of a group of parts you have on this car....1st rate :thumbsup:
looking good...
so what is the theme/look your going for ..???

radrambler


To be honest.... this site gave me all the inspiration and information as far as the components I wanted to use but I got overwhelmed with work and life and the project got put on hold.
The plan for the build changes daily so if anyone has any good ideas I'm all ears, I'm lost as far as paint color and theme.

My car is just a pinto compared to the other builds in Rodgers shop. I'm just glad he had time to help me get it finished.

Rich

[ironworks]

You guys look like you do some killer work but I have to ask why no pics of finished cars on your site?? Gotta update the site would love to see some final product from the looks of the project section.


Well Brian funny you should ask. We started out doing Fabrication only about 8 years ago. We have probably worked on 150 cars in those 8 years. We have done tons of fab work for Customers who want to do more General Contracting. To other shops that will never share the glory and With someofthe work they did before or after us, I'mnot sure I want my name on it anyways. If a guy wants his car chopped and bagged and wants to swap out the suspension we can do only that for him. It has only been in the past few years that I have gotten some of the customers that come in our door and will allows us to to the work we do to the level we want and insist on doing to in every aspect. They want the wiring to look as clean as the chassis work. If I posted all the work we have done it would be a never ending list and some of them I would deny ever working on, not because of quality, but because some cars we have worked on have been just because you have to pay the bills. Plus I'm not sure I could afford the bandwidth for all that.

My thought has always been to show the work that "WE" have done and that represents what we do and the direction we want to go. We do not do paint and body in house, So I do not display the work we have had painted somewhere else. I work to display the high end sheetmetal work and chassis work that we do. As our shop continues to grow and expand we are working on focusing on more and more aspects of the builds in house. About 6 months ago we expanded our shop from 7800sqft to 10,000 and added a 2200 sqft final assembly room. Our day is coming when you will see all of the super ridiculous builds in my shop in full paint, chrome and leather. The majority of the builds we have going will take years to complete. Both because of the vast amount of work needed to complete and because of the customers pocket book.

As I look at the past 2-3 years I see where our fab work somehow went from doing these odds and ends to having some triple throw down projects. It seems like alot of the middle of the road projects kinds skipped us. We kind stepped right up to the super bright ideas catagory and skipped alot of the bolt togther builds. There are many shops out there that are paint shops that do some fab, There are fab shops that assemble cars and then there are fab only shops. The big time shops that really expand learn to do everything on every level of the build to the top level of quality. I think when we started building some of these projects that have a very aggressive stance and some super killer details, it showed that there is void in the market for that stuff. I get the call all the time asking how we got that car to sit that way, what parts did we install. Most people do not get what we do and to what extent it takes to build these projects. Ask John or Brian how much money it cost them to get their car to have a stance like it does and cram all the parts in there. I tell people everyday that for every inch you want to make car lower it gets infinitly more expensive. I truely do not think we could put anymore crap on Johns Nova. We barely have room for drivers seat any more, but gosh that car is awesome.

It is kind refreshing to put togther an easy project like Rich's car. We are still pouring our heart and soul into this build, just like all the rest, but the light at the end of the tunnel does not seem light years away. I think even Rich was amazed at how much work we have gotten done in only 3 weeks. I would like to be able to give this car back to Rich for Christmas, but only time and how much crap he wants on this car will determine that.

Did I answer your question, or just fly off at the mouth like usual?

[Tom.A]

Car is gonna be slick. Good choice Rich.

Rodger, well said in regards to the finished projects. I say stick with what got you and your company where you are Today. The fab is awesome. It's your art/trade. Plenty of body shops around but not many places that do all aspects perfect. :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Thanks Tom

I plan to expand as we get more and more aspects of each build down pat, so I do not have to do anything out side the shop. We have a brand new body and paint guy starting next week with 20 years experience in the lowrider scene and I'm feeling pretty good about him. Our final assembly and mechanical side of the shop has been coming along very nicely for the past year. I may be looking for another mechanic/wiring guru guys here really soon.

[radrambler]

To be honest.... this site gave me all the inspiration and information as far as the components I wanted to use but I got overwhelmed with work and life and the project got put on hold.
The plan for the build changes daily so if anyone has any good ideas I'm all ears, I'm lost as far as paint color and theme.

My car is just a pinto compared to the other builds in Rodgers shop. I'm just glad he had time to help me get it finished.

Rich

what ever you do dont follow anybody on the paint scheme.
...i like the vinyl top.....everybody seems to take them off .thats why id keep it.
ill pm you...i have an idea

radrambler

[syborg tt]

I'm glad to see you guys are working on a Camaro. I am certain you guy's will work your magic on the car.

ps - so who is this Roger guy ??

[novanutcase]

I saw those tubs on Richs car. Those things are REALLY nice! I bet you can fit a 315 in them now! Nice job Rodger and Brycen!:thumbsup:

John

[rich-allen]

Hey John, It was great meeting you yesterday.

Your car is unbelievable.

Rich

[Jr]

Very nice stance. What kind of suspension(front/rear) does the car have?

[rich-allen]

I'm using the DSE control arms and QA1 up front with the G-bar in the rear.
Rodger modified the G-bar to aquire this stance.

[Flash68]

I'm using the DSE control arms and QA1 up front with the G-bar in the rear.
Rodger modified the G-bar to aquire this stance.

Rich, what exactly had to be modified on the G-bar?

[rich-allen]

They moved the connection point of the upper shock mount to allow the car to sit lower and allow for a wide tire.

[Rybar]

Hey Rich, nice project. Great shop you have taken it to.

Please post some motor specs. :thumbsup:

[rich-allen]

LS2 Crate (stock displacement)
Stock crank (reworked)
Jesel rockers, push rods and lifters
Comp cams custom grind
AFR mongoose heads (worked)

As it sits, this motor will be +-600 HP (flywheel)
I figure the procharger will add another 150 - 200 HP.

I'm using the stock rods and pistons..... I hate to send it out to have new pistons installed. What do you think?

Rich

[Jr]

Rich,
Keep the boost set around 5-7 psi...you should be just fine. Do you plan on taking the car to a track day? I will be watching this build. :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

I posted a bunch more pics on my shop website today. I will continue doing so for the next few weeks as the build goes on. Hopefully:_paranoid

[Flash68]

LS2 Crate (stock displacement)
Stock crank (reworked)
Jesel rockers, push rods and lifters
Comp cams custom grind
AFR mongoose heads (worked)

As it sits, this motor will be +-600 HP (flywheel)
I figure the procharger will add another 150 - 200 HP.

I'm using the stock rods and pistons..... I hate to send it out to have new pistons installed. What do you think?

Rich

If you are gonna run a Procharger, don't you want to be able to put out more than 5-7 lbs of boost? I assume the is custom ground for the supercharger?

What are those stock rods and pistons good for as far as hp? I would figure 750-800 hp would be very dangerous.

Sounds like an awesome motor build that's for sure!

[rich-allen]

I need to make a decision right now, if I upgrade the pistons and rods then I will upgrade tyhe supercharger to the D1SC.

[rich-allen]

JE Pistons, rings and wrist pins : $ 875.00
Manley H Beam Rods $975.00
Callies Dragonslayor 4340 Crank $1500
Engine work: $1700?

I'm going to name my project "Just another five thousand"

Sheesh!

[jy211]

I'm going to name my project "Just another five thousand" Sheesh!

Just call it the money pit or fort knox...:D

[ironworks]

Maybe we should paint it white and call it snow ball.

[rich-allen]

Maybe we should paint it white and call it snow ball.

HO HO HO HO

[syborg tt]

I'm going to name my project "Just another five thousand" Sheesh!

Speaking from Experience these project can get out of hand really quick.

Make sure your draw that line in the sand and try to stay behind it.

However drawing the line in the sand allows you the luxury of constantly moving it forward 5000 feet at a time.

[rich-allen]

Seriously,

Rodger can you call that bad ass engine builder of yours and ask what kind of money I'm looking at for changing those three parts.

Remember, the guys that built my engine said it would hold up no problem but they didn't know I was adding a procharger to the mix.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure what the compression with the custom cam I have installed. The cam I used it was apecified by the guys at AFR and Comp Cams.

Engine work reminds me of fabrication.... it always takes a long time to get the parst and install them.
If we need to swap parts maybe we should rush the engine over to them as soon as the procharger brackets are completed.

Rich

[rich-allen]

Speaking from Experience these project can get out of hand really quick.

Make sure your draw that line in the sand and try to stay behind it.

However drawing the line in the sand allows you the luxury of constantly moving it forward 5000 feet at a time.

Marty, if anyone knows it's you!

LOL

[syborg tt]

Marty, if anyone knows it's you!

LOL

thanks man - it's all Kenny & Troy's fault.

[cencal69]

Any pics & info on the DIY mini-tubs? Did you buy stock inner wheel houses & add some metal? I think that idea is a winner.

[ironworks]

We bought a sheet of 18 gauge and cut the old tubs out to what will clear the G bar would allow and would give us the most room vertically. We bent a 90 degree flange formed it on the eckold to the old flange of the out wheel tub, then formed the inside panel to fit the opening, hammered the radius into the inside panel, shrinking it as you go. Then welded in a filler strip inbetween the flange and the inside panel. Tig welded the whole panel togther and metal finished it. We then trimmed it to fit, and welded it in place.

These tubs could be build with a regular hand operated lancaster shrinker stretcher, and a radiused hammer & dolly, the tools we have just speed up the process considerably.

Thanks guys, Like I have said before this kind of project is very easy and kind of motivating because the light at the end of the tunnel is so much closer.

[Rybar]

Rich, I'd be worried running that kind of power on a stock bottom end.

If you are budget minded why not just run forged pistons and stock crank/rods fully upgraded with ARP hardware throughout?

I think alot of guys are running big power with this combo, but I would do some research first.

Sounds like a kick-ass motor though, oh yeah and the car is sick too! :cheers:

[Flash68]

Seriously,

Rodger can you call that bad ass engine builder of yours and ask what kind of money I'm looking at for changing those three parts.

Remember, the guys that built my engine said it would hold up no problem but they didn't know I was adding a procharger to the mix.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure what the compression with the custom cam I have installed. The cam I used it was apecified by the guys at AFR and Comp Cams.

Engine work reminds me of fabrication.... it always takes a long time to get the parst and install them.
If we need to swap parts maybe we should rush the engine over to them as soon as the procharger brackets are completed.

Rich

If that motor, including cam, was spec'd for N/A, then I doubt that is an appropriate cam profile to be run with a supercharger. You probably want to look into that as well.

And your compression must be on the high side I would think, also necessitating the need for forged/lower-compression pistons?

[rich-allen]

I decided to make the changes and avoid catastrophic failure later.

[Flash68]

I decided to make the changes and avoid catastrophic failure later.

Sounds like the safe way to go, Rich.

Do you have the cam specs?

[BRIAN]

Rodger??? There was no insult meant I honestly just wanted to see the finished product. I have to tell you I totally understand where you are coming from. I am nowhere in your category but am a backyard builder who likes challenging builds.

I do not think most understand the difference between a well built bolt together ride and a one off piece. Every part modified or made requires thought and about 10 more items that are effected by that one change. Problem is 90% of the people never see that detail and look at a Camaro with bolt on parts as one in the same. I do sheet metal work and all those tubes have to be days in thought to trim with finish metal.

Money plays a big role and I can appreciate both types. Takes those well funded builds to get you somewhere in this Industry. Look forward to seeing your future builds.

[ironworks]

Brian No Insult taken. That is a question I answer on a regular basis. I have had Sports stars look at Johns car and ask "So is this guy going to have like 80,000 in this thing when it is all done?" Bro the LS7 is 12,000 and the Fikse wheels, and the BFG tires and the.......

I had a guy come into my shop and ask if we knew anything about 57 chevy trucks. I said Yes, we have worked on a few of those, let me show you one. I walked him into the back room where my truck is parked and he was so amazed. He said man that truck is incredible. This guy must have like 20,000 in this truck. I knew right there he had no clue what they were looking at. My response was, well he actually has about 35,000 on the engine and about 4000 hours in the whole build. He did not know what to say. Beings to say I never worked on his truck.

The guys who really appreciate the work we do are guys who are into the build just as much if not more then the end result. The check writers need the shine and trophy's before that door is opened for a shop. Last saturday almost half of my customers met at my shop to check on the progress of their projects, but it amazes me how a sort of brother hood is created becasue of the very similar interests shared among them. They spend just as much time drooling over each others cars as they do there own. The passion for the build is their love.

[mdprovee]

Rich,

You got a great project with a great crew. I look forward to seeing it in person.

[rich-allen]

Thanks Mike,

I think were on the right track to making this project a little different and very special.

Stay Tuned


Rich

[novanutcase]

Gotta say that I really liked the way that LS sat in your engine bay! Sweet!:thumbsup:

My son was asking questions about your car on the way home. Guess I gotta start looking for a 'maro for him now!:( DAMMIT!:rolleyes: :lol:

John

[rich-allen]

John,

Rodger pressed your son about the looks of the camaro and he said that he liked the Novas better. :yes:

My son loves my car but if he was to build his own it would be a 60's era corvette stingray.

We could always work out a trade if you can't find something you like :unibrow:

[novanutcase]

John,

Rodger pressed your son about the looks of the camaro and he said that he liked the Novas better. :yes:

My son loves my car but if he was to build his own it would be a 60's era corvette stingray.

We could always work out a trade if you can't find something you like :unibrow:

LOL! He just trying to impress me through Rodger! He knows Rodger will tell me! He really liked your car! Trade may not be a bad idea. If your son likes 'vettes we can trade the Nova and tell him it has a 'vette suspension and drivetrain!:rofl:

John

[Steve1968LS2]

LS2 Crate (stock displacement)
Stock crank (reworked)
Jesel rockers, push rods and lifters
Comp cams custom grind
AFR mongoose heads (worked)

As it sits, this motor will be +-600 HP (flywheel)
I figure the procharger will add another 150 - 200 HP.

I'm using the stock rods and pistons..... I hate to send it out to have new pistons installed. What do you think?

Rich

I think 600+ is optimistic. :)

I had a stock LS2, fast 90 intake, AFR 205 heads and a 230/232 (112LSA) 0 -- this combo made 572hp.

Your stock bottom end should be fine at that level, I beat the crap out of mine. Now with the boost I'm not as sure. Your LS2 is already at 10.8ish to 1 so you can't go much with boost on the stock hyper pistons.

I know a procharger is sexy for for less $$ you could just stroke the LS2 with a nice forged assembly. Would make almost as much power and entail less install drama.

By the way... nice ride! :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

By the way Roger.. I will be calling you about our little "under construction".. err.. I mean "f-body garage" section.

I think you have what I need. lol

[novanutcase]

By the way Roger.. I will be calling you about our little "under construction".. err.. I mean "f-body garage" section.

I think you have what I need. lol

WOW! Looks like Rodgers gettin up on the "A-List"!:lol:

John

[ironworks]

For some reason the Jefferson's theme song is stuck in my head.

Movin on up. To the Deluxe apartment in the sky........

[rich-allen]

I just had an image of JJ Walker waving his hands "Chicken Dynomite" :wow:

Oh wait, that's "good times"

Same era

[rich-allen]

I think 600+ is optimistic. :)

I had a stock LS2, fast 90 intake, AFR 205 heads and a 230/232 (112LSA) 0 -- this combo made 572hp.

Your stock bottom end should be fine at that level, I beat the crap out of mine. Now with the boost I'm not as sure. Your LS2 is already at 10.8ish to 1 so you can't go much with boost on the stock hyper pistons.

I know a procharger is sexy for for less $$ you could just stroke the LS2 with a nice forged assembly. Would make almost as much power and entail less install drama.

By the way... nice ride!

I think it's a little late............ In one day Rodger managed to design a plate to bolt up the procharger to a Synyster serpentine setup. I don't think this has ever been done :hail: :

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[rich-allen]

Steve:

I would agree that normally the package I have would be about 30 hp short of the 600 mark but my heads were sent back east to Kenny Bernstein's shop where they did some welding, machining and port work. Apparently they flowed 20% more air when they came back.

Who knows, it might not have made 500.....

Bad Penny has been an inspiration for me throughout my build.
Thanks for the compliment. :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

I think 600+ is optimistic. :)

I had a stock LS2, fast 90 intake, AFR 205 heads and a 230/232 (112LSA) 0 -- this combo made 572hp.

Your stock bottom end should be fine at that level, I beat the crap out of mine. Now with the boost I'm not as sure. Your LS2 is already at 10.8ish to 1 so you can't go much with boost on the stock hyper pistons.

I know a procharger is sexy for for less $$ you could just stroke the LS2 with a nice forged assembly. Would make almost as much power and entail less install drama.

By the way... nice ride! :thumbsup:

I got 600 out of mine and I did nothing to any of the parts. It does have a Kinsler individual runner set up on it though.

[camcojb]

I think it's a little late............ In one day Rodger managed to design a plate to bolt up the procharger to a Synyster serpentine setup. I don't think this has ever been done :hail: :




Nice work. I'm sure Rodger has this covered, but just in case............. make sure you build a nice brace for the main blower plate to prevent movement. The stock brackets also have this issue, and the twisting movement fore and aft of the blower under throttle makes belt slippage a big issue. It can be as simple as a solid 3/8" steel rod bolted to the main plate near the blower or the blower itself, and mounted to the front of the head, block, intake bolts, etc.

Looks awesome Rich/Rodger.

Jody

[Jr]

Rich/Rodger,
Nice progress. Would you have enough room if you mounted the procharger in reverse of the pictures(same style as a c5 or c6 corvette)? You could build an easy air intake for the propeller...just a thought. What motor mounts did you use on the camaro?

David

[ironworks]

It would hit the radiator, I tried. I'm thinking about pulling the air out from the cowl vent. I hate to go over the headers but maybe we can use some header wrap which would give the engine compartment a real industrial look. Or if you thermal coat the headers it should be far enough away to not really be an issue.

The inner fenders are the interference point for the Procharger. If I put it on the other side it would have to be more away from the engine cuz that cylinder head is farther forward. Right now it is really close to lining up to the serp belt as it is with a 1/4" plate used to test the fit up before we cust the rest of the support brackets.

Rodger

[rich-allen]

What about modifying the inner fenders?
using two plates (so both sides match) you could box the fenders in having the piping running through the enclosure.

Does that make sense?

[ironworks]

Not really, can you expalin further? I need to install the front sheetmetal to see how much clearance we have. I have one header ready to go back in and then we will re hang the sheetmeal to make sure the Procharger is under the hood and my intercooler plumbing will go the way I want.

Rodger

[fleetus macmullitz]

Not really, can you expalin further? I need to install the front sheetmetal to see how much clearance we have. I have one header ready to go back in and then we will re hang the sheetmeal to make sure the Procharger is under the hood and my intercooler plumbing will go the way I want.

Rodger

This thread on inner fenders may help (?)

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44493

[Jr]

Could you mod the fenders, and move the procharger bracket further left on the pass. side? If you found the additional space, you could mount it like I suggested. I guess you would need to hang the fenders before you could tell. This is one heck of a build. I like the pictures on the ironworks website :thumbsup:

[rich-allen]

I was thinking about boxing in one of the fender to accomidate the procharger.

[XLexusTech]

Nice Car Rich. Rodger on those Tubs I like my car low as well. If it all works out well can you replicate them? I would be interested in a set.
I want my car (67) low fat :-)

[ironworks]

We would have to build them for your car. We are typically a 1 off shop and we don't pattern much for the next, cuz every car is different. I could build and install them for ya though no problem. We can build to whatever width you car will allow. I could have gone deeper on the tubs for a 335 but rich did not want to take out the G -bar.

Rodger

[XLexusTech]

We would have to build them for your car. We are typically a 1 off shop and we don't pattern much for the next, cuz every car is different. I could build and install them for ya though no problem. We can build to whatever width you car will allow. I could have gone deeper on the tubs for a 335 but rich did not want to take out the G -bar.

Rodger

Unfourtanly I am on the East coast. Where there limits to the DSE tubs that would prevent a low stance with a 315?

[novanutcase]

Unfourtanly I am on the East coast. Where there limits to the DSE tubs that would prevent a low stance with a 315?

I saw the tubs so I'll give you my view. The DSE tubs are rounded whereas the Ironworks tubs are squared off at the inner turn so that the square of the tire can fit inside better. Does that make sense?:rolleyes:

John

[XLexusTech]

I saw the tubs so I'll give you my view. The DSE tubs are rounded whereas the Ironworks tubs are squared off at the inner turn so that the square of the tire can fit inside better. Does that make sense?:rolleyes:

John

Sure does thanks for the input but I have seen some prettly low Gen1 camaros with the DSE tubs and monster tires. Empty Nest has 315's I think
Personally I am not into the huge 315's I would be happy with a 285 40 17.
if I could get it nice an low.
:cheers:

[skatinjay27]

are the 67-68 outer wheel wells differet than the 69s? cause todd(vegas 69) has 345s with dse tubs and g-bar it it pretty low and still clears... but its very tight.

[Flash68]

are the 67-68 outer wheel wells differet than the 69s? cause todd(vegas 69) has 345s with dse tubs and g-bar it it pretty low and still clears... but its very tight.

I was wondering the same thing because my 68 has 335s with the Air Bar and there is room for 345s if we wanted to apparently....

[awr68]

are the 67-68 outer wheel wells differet than the 69s? cause todd(vegas 69) has 345s with dse tubs and g-bar it it pretty low and still clears... but its very tight.

There is a differance between the 67-68 and the 69 outer...the 69 has a .75" wider outer.

[ironworks]

The car sits lower then the G bar will go. If I put a wider tire, it would hit the lip of the fender due to the over hang being closer to the tire. The lower link on the G bar is just a tick below level if that gives you an indicator how low this car is. I could fit a 345 if we wanted to raise the back of the car. We will have to modify the upper shock mount to be able to run this ride height. The mount under the bar design of the upper shock mount is just a waste of space in my opinion and a poor design, cheaper to build but a waste of space. It motivates me to start on my own rear suspension kit. We will be changing that mount design when the car is totally disassembled and more able to get underneath. Right now the coil over spanners are against the adjuster knobs. If I ran it like this I should run a shorter shock body with a stiffer spring just to avoid bottoming out.

I hope this clears up any issue. Ride height and stance are key factors in all the cars we build. We find the deesirable ride height and modify everything to make it fit from there. I told brian (63 nova customer, Brian Mc )last weekend that every extra inch lower is like 10,000 more in some instances just to not have the headers drag and suspension bottom out and tires that rub. That is why Johns 66 is difficult, the ride height and the amount of crap in that car.

[XLexusTech]

The car sits lower then the G bar will go. If I put a wider tire, it would hit the lip of the fender due to the over hang being closer to the tire. The lower link on the G bar is just a tick below level if that gives you an indicator how low this car is. I could fit a 345 if we wanted to raise the back of the car. We will have to modify the upper shock mount to be able to run this ride height. The mount under the bar design of the upper shock mount is just a waste of space in my opinion and a poor design, cheaper to build but a waste of space. It motivates me to start on my own rear suspension kit. We will be changing that mount design when the car is totally disassembled and more able to get underneath. Right now the coil over spanners are against the adjuster knobs. If I ran it like this I should run a shorter shock body with a stiffer spring just to avoid bottoming out.

I hope this clears up any issue. Ride height and stance are key factors in all the cars we build. We find the deesirable ride height and modify everything to make it fit from there. I told brian (63 nova customer, Brian Mc )last weekend that every extra inch lower is like 10,000 more in some instances just to not have the headers drag and suspension bottom out and tires that rub. That is why Johns 66 is difficult, the ride height and the amount of crap in that car.

Thanks for the info! It really helps the DIY guys like me! "It motivates me to start on my own rear suspension kit" That would Good news always looking for cool stuff.

[novanutcase]

That is why Johns 66 is difficult, the ride height and the amount of crap in that car.

Thats BEAUTIFUL crap to you sir!:lol:

John

[rich-allen]

Tell us what you really think :lol:

[brian mc]

QUOTE] I told brian (63 nova customer, Brian Mc )last weekend that every extra inch lower is like 10,000 more in some instances just to not have the headers drag and suspension bottom out and tires that rub.[/QUOTE]


i thought dragging headers was the new IN thing to do....

Rich your car is lookin sick. I like it with the blower, can't wait to see that thing on the road. there are going to be some bad ass rides coming out of that shop pretty soon what with the 57 truck and your car, that will be cool to see. Did you decide on some wheels yet?

[rich-allen]

Brian,

I never imagined how secure I would feel with my car being completed by someone else but Rodger makes it so easy and the quality of his work is really starting to show.

My car is a totally different project from the norm Ironworks puts out put I think when the Novas come out to play Rodger will really have his hands full with clients clamouring to get their projects in his shop.

We will have to get together on the play ground as soon as your car is completed.

Are you planning a trip to the shop anytime soon?


Rich

[brian mc]

Yeah i know what you mean Rich i feel the same way about having my car at ironworks, and the more i work with Roger i can tell it's not about the money with him, he really is into the cars and the people behind them.
I havn't made plans to go down to the shop yet but my buddy Jake, who i came down with last time, has got the itch to bring his car down to the shop and have some work done maybe the full treatment so we might be heading down soon....i think if i refer a friend i get a free spoiler or something:thumbsup:

[ironworks]

I have the free spoiler for you right here in my hand. We saved it for you.

Thanks guys. I appreciate it. I really enjoyed last weekend hangin out with a bunch of you guys. It is really cool to have customers that are just as excited about their project as they are about each other. I think Eric described it as a Brotherhood.

Brian, you must have figured out that it was not about the money when you stay at my house. Or saw my ragged ass DOGG. I have pretty big car habit, I have just found a way to spend other people money to do it.

Thanks again guys, It is guys like you that make this Business thing worth all the effort. Cuz living the dream some days really does suck, I remember when I was so excited to work on my own car, Yeah my junk never gets touched any more.

Rodger

[rich-allen]

I've been trying to make a bumper for my hunting jeep for the past 3 months.
I cut the parts one week and they sat in a corner ever since.
That's OK, It's when I actually get time to work on my own stuff that I start to worry about not having enough back log. :)


I'm only happy when it's crazy



Rich

[awr68]

I'm only happy when it's crazy
Rich


I hear ya! Words I live by!! Seems that if I have time to be in the garage...I'm not getting a full paycheck!! It all works out in the end though!!

[novanutcase]

IBrian, you must have figured out that it was not about the money when you stay at my house. Or saw my ragged ass DOGG. I have pretty big car habit, I have just found a way to spend other people money to do it.

Please tell me he didn't make you sleep on the couch! LOL! Actually that thing is pretty comfortable!

Yeah my junk never gets touched any more.

Rodger

Speaking of which I noticed you moved your 36'(?) to the shop. What's that all about!

John

[Dukeofsho]

We installed it and are looking to get a Procharger on this engine her in the next week. We have 2 plans that should get it on there with the Synister bracket systems.


I might know of a set of procharger brackets for Synisters system. Made by Synister...dont quote me on it just yet. I'll ask around.

[rich-allen]

For a 1st Gen Camaro?

[ironworks]

I might know of a set of procharger brackets for Synisters system. Made by Synister...dont quote me on it just yet. I'll ask around.

Thanks Bud, but we have the mockup bracket that we cut out on the water jet pretty much dialed. I need to cut one more bracket with a small few small adjustments and we should be set. If you have some Synister connections how about a copy of the instructions, I have a smallbox of left over small parts and for the life of me I cannot figure where they go or for that fact find anyone who has some instructions or will send me a copy.

Thanks

John, Brian has moved from the couch to the spare bedroom, Jake, Brians buddy, we was on couch duty, but he slept like a baby after a few coronas.

[awr68]

If you have some Synister connections how about a copy of the instructions, I have a smallbox of left over small parts and for the life of me I cannot figure where they go or for that fact find anyone who has some instructions or will send me a copy.



Rodger, have you asked Scott or Jody?

[ironworks]

Jody had somebody that is a vendor on here say they would FAX some to me but I got nothing. I hate to bother Jody anymore, he already went above and beyond. It was somebody else whodropped the ball. Rich says he tried and tried to get instructions but could not come up with any.

From what I have figured out nobody has instructions, MAYBE Synister should post them on the internet........ BRILLIANT...... SIMPLY BRILLIANT....

[camcojb]

Jody had somebody that is a vendor on here say they would FAX some to me but I got nothing. I hate to bother Jody anymore, he already went above and beyond. It was somebody else whodropped the ball. Rich says he tried and tried to get instructions but could not come up with any.

From what I have figured out nobody has instructions, MAYBE Synister should post them on the internet........ BRILLIANT...... SIMPLY BRILLIANT....

Rodger, it's no problem, I'll call them back in the morning.

Jody

[ironworks]

You know if all else fails maybe Rich can fly you down here once he gets his pilots license in the next few weeks. I sure he would love to try out some passengers with his new license....

Or when one of the many guys from up north bring there projects down in the next few months, you could ride along and empty our small box of left over parts. We seem to be getting more and more work from up North.

WAIT...Aren't you supposed to have left over parts???? So we might be fine then.

Thanks

[awr68]

They must be spare parts! :lol:

[CRCRFT78]

I'm impressed with all of the builds you got going on but I think you need to add a G-body to your list. I hope to make it down there soon to check out your shop.

[CRCRFT78]

Any updates??

[ironworks]

The wheels were orderd monday. 18x11 and 18x8.5 With some BFG tires.

We got the tubing yesterday to build the exhaust. But they backordered the main U bend I need to start the exhaust at the header. We are going to modify the floor to suck the mufflers up into the floor so they don't hang below the body.

We made some minor tweaks to the procharger bracket and need to work on the reinforcement plates for the bracket. I was going to order the intercooler today so we could start the plumbing.

We might start laying out the center console rear soon. We got all the mods to the bumper brackets done.

I need to take the bumpers to have them stripped so we can start cutting them up for the Mods we are going to do to them.

I was going to order some baer track tie rod deals from ATS today with some adjustable spring pockets deals from ATS also to set the car at the ride height we are shooting for. Plus give us the option of playing with the spring rate. The QA 1 deals will not allow us to get that.

We will be smoothing the firewall hole and setting up the AC unit he had, to install it under the dash.

Oh and every one can sleep better we pulled the vinyl top off the car yesterday.

Sorry not much to see yet, but real soon we should have pretty bad ass monster.

Rodger

[awr68]

As you know, progress is progress...sometimes there's just not much to look at. ;)

[Jr]

We made some minor tweaks to the procharger bracket and need to work on the reinforcement plates for the bracket. I was going to order the intercooler today so we could start the plumbing.




Rodger

Are you going with a bell intercooler or ron davis?

[ironworks]

I'm a wholesale dealer for procharger, so I will go with them to give the customer the best deal. I may buy a bare core and make our own inlet and out let to get exactly what I want. Nobody makes an intercooler for a 67 camaro.

Rodger

[novanutcase]

Nobody makes an intercooler for a 67 camaro.

Rodger

Or a '66 Nova.....:lol:

But you guys made it work and work well!!:thumbsup:

John

[awr68]

What wheels did Rich decide on?

[Jr]

Nobody makes an intercooler for a 67 camaro.

Rodger

Rodger,
Larry has a ron davis intercooler for his 1968 project...

http://www.pro-touring.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42538&page=7

I think it would work for a 1967, but I'm not sure about that.

I like the design for the intercoolers on johns 66

[ironworks]

That thing sure looks cool, but If I can do a single inlet and outlet rich will be very happy when the bill comes. Plus it will clean up the engine compartment and not bury everything under plumbing. With that set up I would have to split the outlet from the Procharger to go to both sides and then connect them back togther for the throttle body. Since he is running twin turbos on that deal I think it is more well suited for his application.

Rodger

[awr68]

Rodger here's (http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=8967) what I used......

[ironworks]

Thanks, that is what I was thinking just wider or possibly two of them. I'm figuring we will have to modify that hood latch support brace and also fit the Ac condensor in there. If I can do a thinner but wider intercooler it will allow more direct air to the condensor. Air flow is key to a cold AC with 134.

Rodger

[awr68]

I fit the condensor in there and just had to notch the hood latch support a little....not a big deal realy.

[CRCRFT78]

Any updates?

[ironworks]

I posted some pics of the exhaust we are building. It looks pretty good if I do say so myself.

[Flash68]

Great looking exhaust. Pics of the tailpipes? Or still working on that? :thumbsup:

[skatinjay27]

I posted some pics of the exhaust we are building. It looks pretty good if I do say so myself.
i agree!
what exactally did you do to the floor pans where the mufflers are!
it looks tucked up GOOD!!!!

[ironworks]

These pics were taken today. We maight be out the back tommrrow and start figuring how to do the exhaust tips. We have a few ideas. Chevy bow ties, or I was thinking some tips in the shape if the trucker girl mud flap decoration.We got the bumpers back from the chromer on monday all stripped down so we will do our mods to them and then decide how to do the rear valance. We got 3" exhaust over the axle at will get around the full width gas tank. I need to redo that upper shock mount on the G bar that just bugs the crap out of me. It is a total waste of space. With the ride height we have it set at the lower link level but only has about 2.5" of shock travel showing. So I would have to run a stiffer spring rate to keep it from bottoming out, so By moving the pickup point up it will allow the shock to be at it's design height at ride height, so it can ride nice and not bottom out.

Sorry rant over

Flash68 It is October, how is your camaro doing? I selled the deal on one for the shop today. I should have 3 camaro's in my shop between now and SEMA.

Rodger

[ironworks]

i agree!
what exactally did you do to the floor pans where the mufflers are!
it looks tucked up GOOD!!!!


We cut out pockets to raise the mufflers so they can be even with the subframe connectors. I can post some pics tommorrow.

Thanks

Rodger

[Flash68]

Flash68 It is October, how is your camaro doing? I selled the deal on one for the shop today. I should have 3 camaro's in my shop between now and SEMA.

Rodger


Hey Rodger,

I was gonna post some update pics today but got busy. Was just up there yesterday checking it out and taking pics. It is a lot further along than last time I saw it, that's for sure. I have him one more month (til end of Oct) and then he is moving his shop down the road so that will put him out of commission for awhile as far as getting stuff done. So I am thinking what ever condition the car is in by the end of this month, I should go get it and take it somewhere. I was gonna get in touch with you to discuss.... are you by chance coming up to Nov Good Guys in Pleasanton with that big trailer again? :D

[ironworks]

Doubtful, that is the Saturday after SEMA and the weekend of the PSCA World Finals in Fontana. We may win the championship this year. 2nd year in a row. Getting your camaro moved is no big deal. I have a few other projects brewing up in your neck of the woods.

I will be in Sacramento this weekend running the West Coast Hot Rod event. I'm supposed to look at Brent's 55 on Saturday night for some possible work.

[Flash68]

Doubtful, that is the Saturday after SEMA and the weekend of the PSCA World Finals in Fontana. We may win the championship this year. 2nd year in a row. Getting your camaro moved is no big deal. I have a few other projects brewing up in your neck of the woods.

I will be in Sacramento this weekend running the West Coast Hot Rod event. I'm supposed to look at Brent's 55 on Saturday night for some possible work.

Sounds good Rodger. Why don't I touch base in a few weeks as we approach end of month and see where things are at. Especially now that you are becoming a Camaro specialist! :D

Back to the original topic now!

[awr68]

Nice exhaust Rodger! I like what you did to the floor!

[HWY Nova]

.............Especially now that you are becoming a Camaro specialist! :D



.... but....... but...... but I thought Rodger was a Nova specialist?

I have seen Rich's Camaro, and the transformation that IRONWORKS has accomplished since late-August is phenomenal! I was supposed to go to IRONWORKS today (my day off), but I ended up going to work after all. I was looking forward to seeing Rich's car again. I'm starting to like this kind of car.... What are they called again??!!!??..... Camaros?... I even bought the latest issue of Camaro Performers......


--Eric

[rich-allen]

.... but....... but...... but I thought Rodger was a Nova specialist?

I have seen Rich's Camaro, and the transformation that IRONWORKS has accomplished since late-August is phenomenal! I was supposed to go to IRONWORKS today (my day off), but I ended up going to work after all. I was looking forward to seeing Rich's car again. I'm starting to like this kind of car.... What are they called again??!!!??..... Camaros?... I even bought the latest issue of Camaro Performers......


--Eric

Too Fuuny!


Here is a couple pics of the body mods and cross member mods

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-1.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-2.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-3.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-4.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-6.jpg

[rich-allen]

A couple more pics.



http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-5.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-7.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bodymods-8.jpg

[novanutcase]

Super Sweet! Your car has changed so much since I saw it!

John

[rich-allen]

Hey John,

I haven't been there since we last met.

I'm going to try and fly down next weekend, hopefully Rodger can pick me up at the airport.

Rich

[mdprovee]

Rich,

Progress looks good. I like the floor design, definately helps with ground clearance, and looks from the back. Are you running a back seat?

[awr68]

Sweet! Back seat or not?
Nice tranny x-member too!!

[rich-allen]

Yes, I'm installing a back seat.

It shouldn't be too hard :_paranoid

[awr68]

Actually Rich, looking at your pics it won't be as hard as you think! Mine was a little challenging too with the roll bar, 4-bar x-member and upper link boxes coming up threw the floor....you will be fine!

[Flash68]

Damn, Rodger, you do nice work!

[rich-allen]

With the addition of the Callies Crank, Diamond pistons and Manley rods what kind of PSI will I be able to put to the motor?

I have a feeling I'm limited to the procharger system because of the drive belt?

I'm not looking for 20 PSI but I was hoping to get somewhere between 12 - 15

Is the D-1SC capable of that?


Rich

[Flash68]

With the addition of the Callies Crank, Diamond pistons and Manley rods what kind of PSI will I be able to put to the motor?

I have a feeling I'm limited to the procharger system because of the drive belt?

I'm not looking for 20 PSI but I was hoping to get somewhere between 12 - 15

Is the D-1SC capable of that?


Rich

Hey Rich, car is looking great man....

My understanding is the D1SC is capable of much more than that if you'd like :)

http://www.procharger.com/models.shtml

[camcojb]

With the addition of the Callies Crank, Diamond pistons and Manley rods what kind of PSI will I be able to put to the motor?

I have a feeling I'm limited to the procharger system because of the drive belt?

I'm not looking for 20 PSI but I was hoping to get somewhere between 12 - 15

Is the D-1SC capable of that?


Rich

I made 16 psi with that blower and an 8-rib belt. Had a brace so the blower didn't move and ran the SDCE tensioner, not the ATI one.

Jody

[rich-allen]

Thanks for the compliment.

Can I run the 8 rib belt with that synister kit?

[rich-allen]

Stabbing in the Intercooler.


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/intercooler-1.jpg



http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/intercooler-2.jpg



http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/intercooler-3.jpg

[Flash68]

Lookin bad ass Rich!

[FaBrycation]

Damn, Rodger, you do nice work!

Don't forget the 5 guys that work here also. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Don't forget the 5 guys that work here also. :thumbsup:

Of course. I know Rodger has a crew. :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

Don't forget the 5 guys that work here also. :thumbsup:

Dave..... Brycen.....Brycen......Dave

Brycen has been with me for over 3 years, He sold his Playstation to move to Cali from Columbus Ohio. He has poured his heart and soul into everything from one of the many tube chassis Novas, to tons of 55-59 chevy trucks, to touring buses for mexican R&B bands, Oh wait we are not supposed to brag about that one,:_paranoid :_paranoid

Somedays I wonder if Brycen ever misses that Playstation.

I have a really good crew and for some reason the most unattractive guy in my shop ( ME ) gets the credit, when we all need each other to do what we do at the level of work we do. Everyone from the customers to the guy who gets bathroom duty this month.

[FaBrycation]

...to touring buses for mexican R&B bands, Oh wait we are not supposed to brag about that one,:_paranoid :_paranoid

Somedays I wonder if Brycen ever misses that Playstation.

its ok we can talk about the bus, it paid great!

and yeah sometimes i miss the playstation:P

[rich-allen]

I think all of your guys are great :yes:

Being a business owner myself I can really appreciate how hard it is to find qualified people.


My hats off to everyone at the Ironworks shop :cheers:

[novanutcase]

Yeah! That Brycen guy is OK! LOL!

Eveyone at Ironworks is a master! Even Rodger! LOL!

John

[rich-allen]

Since the lower end is getting the full treatment we decided to add a bigger huffer.
Rodger installed this cog belt system, moved the AC pump lower and added an idler pulley.

Here are a couple pics of the progress.

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/f1-1.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/f1-2.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/f1-3.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/f1-4.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/f1-5.jpg

[syborg tt]

awesome pics - thank you for sharing.

ps - did you guy's think you can teach Kenny how to take pictures. I've tried and it just doesn't seem to help.

[rich-allen]

awesome pics - thank you for sharing.

ps - did you guy's think you can teach Kenny how to take pictures. I've tried and it just doesn't seem to help.

You know Marty, sometimes it much easier to give your builder one of those point and shoot $200 cameras rather than letting them take crappy pictures with their $1000 rig they can't run. :lol:


Rich

[Jr]

Is that a F1 blower? The work looks killer :thumbsup:

[ironworks]

It is actually an F3 I had laying around from some other projects. We are using that as a mock up since the Transmission section of the blower is the same for all the F series blowers. Rich's mockup F-1 should be here later this week. The Cog system will be quite an improvement over the 6 rib system we were going to add into the Synister set up. We still have to relcoate the AC down below, We are water jet cutting those brackets today.

3-5 more wheeks for the new shoes. I can't wait.


Rodger

[rich-allen]

3-5 more wheeks for the new shoes. I can't wait.
Rodger

I'm trying not to think about the wheels.. If I do then it will seem like 2x as long for them to arrive

[Tom.A]

Nice. So is their a fire sale yet on the old D1SC?

[ironworks]

Nope that was another mock up housing from brians 63. We buy mock up housings on all the Project cars we do and set up the Housing to what we want for each application, before we have the guys put in each blower.

Hay Rich what wheels? I don't know anything about no wheels :D

[rich-allen]

I just spent 30 minutes on prochargers website looking at F1 blowers with LS based engines. I could only find 3 or 4 different setups and each one was different than the other.


I will have to make a special trip down there for the engine dyno.
I figure that's 3 - 4 months away though :_paranoid

[rich-allen]

A little update on the project:

The rear bumper is fit up and ready to be welded then sent out for chrome.

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/bumper.jpg

The exhaust is fit up and ready for welding. What an awesome job on the exhaust!

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/exhaustfit-1.jpg



AC condensor brackets that hold up the core:

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/condensor-1.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/condensor-2.jpg


A little body work.


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/markerlight.jpg


Rich

[mdprovee]

It is looking good Rich.

[HWY Nova]

It is looking good Rich.

...... for a Camaro. Just kidding Rich, its looking great!


--Eric

[rich-allen]

You know Eric, it does feel like I'm out of place at Rodgers shop with all you Nova guys.

Next time I'll take my camaro and stand in the corner. ;)


Rich

[ironworks]

The score may even real soon, I'm supposed to pick up 2 Camaro's in Vegas to work on during SEMA. Plus there are few others that may end up here in the next few months. Just like novas you work on one and they all come out of the woodwork.

I did get a call yesterday about a full tube chassis 67 Camaro, That might be interesting. We will have to see.

Rodger

[HWY Nova]

You know Eric, it does feel like I'm out of place at Rodgers shop with all you Nova guys.

Next time I'll take my camaro and stand in the corner. ;)


Rich

A new twist on John's quote will be: "Camaro........... the new Nova"

I think Rodger is correct..... there will be more Camaros in his shop. Rumor has it that lots of people have those cars......


--Eric

[whytry]

Nice looking project! Did you say you made the brackets for the Procharger and acc?

[ironworks]

We are modifying the Synister System to Install a Cog belt F1 Procharger. We moved the AC down low added 2 idlers and Are working on a strout double shear F1 bracket.

[Ricochet]

The score may even real soon, I'm supposed to pick up 2 Camaro's in Vegas to work on during SEMA. Plus there are few others that may end up here in the next few months. Just like novas you work on one and they all come out of the woodwork.

I did get a call yesterday about a full tube chassis 67 Camaro, That might be interesting. We will have to see.

Rodger

Don't forget about those Tri Fives!!

[Flash68]

Looking great. Exhaust is killer!

[Datsbad]

A F1 on a stock engine ??????
WOW !

[camaro2nv]

Thanks for the link to the site! Car looks awesome! Its nice to see some Nor Cal guys around!

[ironworks]

A F1 on a stock engine ??????
WOW !

She will get a crank rods and pistons when the body is in paint.

She should run pretty good when done.

Rodger

[rich-allen]

Thanks for the link to the site! Car looks awesome! Its nice to see some Nor Cal guys around!


Glad to see you over here. A bunch of great builders and projects combined with some very knowledgeable members makes this site what it is.

I live in Martinez and theres a lot of other members from the Bay Area as well.
My car is at Ironworks speed and kustoms in Bakersfield having a total makeover.


Rich

[Jr]

What HRE's did you go with?

[rich-allen]

I went with HRE 893

Polished hoops and powder coated clear centers

[Jr]

Nice pick on the wheels...they look race ready.

[Flash68]

I went with HRE 893

Polished hoops and powder coated clear centers

Nice choice, Rich. I see a lot of HRE's on Porsches - I have the P40's on mine and love them.

What color powdercoating on your centers?

[rich-allen]

I went with a polished hoop and brushed centers, then had them powder coated to protect the brushed.

[Flash68]

I went with a polished hoop and brushed centers, then had them powder coated to protect the brushed.

Oh, I didn't know you could powdercoat a non-color on top of the brushed finish. Cool.

[rich-allen]

I wanted a fully functional yet least optrusive roll bar made to date. I think the boys at Ironworks are on the right track.
What do you think?

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rb-1.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rb-2.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rb-3.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rb-4.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rb-5.jpg

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Rich that roll bar look AWESOME! I love the floor brace tied into the subframe connectors...those boys over at IW know their stuff. :thumbsup:

[syborg tt]

Okay Rich,

So i've spent a bunch of time jotting down notes on how to build a Street Machine of the Year car for Good Guy's Columbus. So far your heading down the right direction. I think this car will have and has what it takes to be in the top five.

Keep up the good work guy's this car has all the right stuff.

[mdprovee]

Looking good Rich, I like the roll bar. That is the one thing I debated on my car.

[rich-allen]

Okay Rich,

So i've spent a bunch of time jotting down notes on how to build a Street Machine of the Year car for Good Guy's Columbus. So far your heading down the right direction. I think this car will have and has what it takes to be in the top five.

Keep up the good work guy's this car has all the right stuff.

Wow Marty, I appreciate the vote of confidence, it really means a lot coming from you. I really just want a car that looks a little different than most and drives different than most.


Rich

[Flash68]

Looking good Rich, I like the roll bar. That is the one thing I debated on my car.

Agreed. That looks so nice and clean. Will it be NHRA legal for up to what ET's if you chose to do 1/4 mile?

Makes me want one too.

[MtotheIKEo]

Thats gonna be a tight fit welding around the top of the downtubes

[ironworks]

It will be easy. We have already laid that out. The cage will flip forward and drop down on the subframe bases we made. We have to make the front halo and down bars next week along with the front subframe connector bars that need to go around the F1.

Rodger

[novanutcase]

I wanted a fully functional yet least optrusive roll bar made to date. I think the boys at Ironworks are on the right track.
What do you think?[

LOL!!!! Boy are you in trouble!:rofl:

I can already see you catching the "Ironworks" bug! Those guys build such kick ass stuff you just want more and more!

Wait a minute?!? Isn't that like crack?!?:wow: :rofl:

It will be easy. We have already laid that out. The cage will flip forward and drop down on the subframe bases we made. We have to make the front halo and down bars next week along with the front subframe connector bars that need to go around the F1.

Rodger

There he goes, pulling that rabbit out of the hat again!:bow:

Rich and Rodger the 'maro is really looking killer!:thumbsup:

John

[rich-allen]

Rodger sent a few more pics of the roll bar. As you can see the stock back seat will fit with minimal work. The tubing is 1.75" and you can bearly see it when the doors are closed. Killer work!

http://eastbayerectors.com/roll-1.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/roll-2.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/roll-3.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/roll-4.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/roll-5.jpg

[rich-allen]

HEY!!, what's that green thing in the background of the last picture?

[syborg tt]

looks really nice

[Ricochet]

HEY!!, what's that green thing in the background of the last picture?

Hmmmm...Yes inquiry minds wants to know!! Looks kind of familiar..Could it be?

[ironworks]

WOW for camaro guys your not very sharp, it is a green 68 camaro. Yeah you guys caught me there is 2nd camaro on the grounds. Man I cannot keep anything from you guys........

[wiedemab]

Damn Rodger - you're flirting with the Dark side. Two Camaros............

How's about a 2nd Gen Camaro - hurry before I get tired of seeing them:D

The cage looks nice!

[ironworks]

There is 3rd one out back, that I own.......Don't tell the nova guys OK..

I would love to do a 2nd Gen, but I can only do what comes in the Door. The Dale jr 2nd gen is one of my all time favorites. I would also like to do a stock floor 1st gen nova. I love the full on cut the floor out from the firewall back and go to town projects, but the stock floor cars are gravy.

Rodger

[wiedemab]

There is 3rd one out back, that I own.......Don't tell the nova guys OK..

Rodger

I won't tell anyone -

What? - Nothing, I didn't hear anything ;)

[tjbruning]

Diggin' the cage work. Nice work! :thumbsup:

[HWY Nova]

There is 3rd one out back, that I own.......Don't tell the nova guys OK..

Rodger



What? - Nothing, I didn't hear anything



TOO LATE!


--Eric

[ironworks]

I won't tell anyone -

What? - Nothing, I didn't hear anything ;)

SO what do you think about 2nd gen nova bumpers on a 1st gen camaro? :thumbsup:

Thanks Erik did great job. We have few more tricks up our sleeve.


I uploaded a bunch of pics on the website this morning for the Camaro. Not the green one though....Yet.

Rodger

[Teetoe_Jones]

HEY!!, what's that green thing in the background of the last picture?

Who cares! What an ugly color! Your car is amazing!

Tyler

[wiedemab]

SO what do you think about 2nd gen nova bumpers on a 1st gen camaro? :thumbsup:

Rodger

Interesting - Keep us posted!

[ironworks]

Just to be sure, I'm just kidding...

:P "I'M NOT GOING TO PUT 2ND GEN BUMPERS ON A 1ST GEN CAMARO" :P

[rich-allen]

Who cares! What an ugly color! Your car is amazing!

Tyler


From now on, I will be ordering all my stuff from Tyler! :D

[wiedemab]

Just to be sure, I'm just kidding...

:P "I'M NOT GOING TO PUT 2ND GEN BUMPERS ON A 1ST GEN CAMARO" :P

You know, I posted that thinking of 1st gen Camaro bumpers on a 2nd gen Nova.

I was driving home from work yesterday and realized that you said the opposite and were really joking. Sometimes I'm a little dense:P

[rich-allen]

Quick update:

The roll bar is nearly completed and the plumbing for the procharger has started.

The wheels shipped from ATS yesterday and are scheduled to arrive today !! :yes:


A couple pics:


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/9.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/8.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/10.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/11.jpg

[rich-allen]

A couple more:


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/12.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/13.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/14.jpg

[Teetoe_Jones]

http://i37.tinypic.com/5ppxcg.jpg

They are sweet.

Tyler

[Flash68]

http://i37.tinypic.com/5ppxcg.jpg

They are sweet.

Tyler

Very cool. What wheel is that?

[Teetoe_Jones]

HRE 893R in 18" diameters.

Tyler

[CRCRFT78]

I would also like to do a stock floor 1st gen nova.

I've got one for you sitting in my garage. And I'm in NO HURRY to get it done.:unibrow:

[rich-allen]

I love those wheels!

I can't wait to see them on the car.


Tyler, thanks again for the screaming deal on those rims.


Rich

[speedfreak]

Car is looking great guys :thumbsup:

[HWY Nova]

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/14.jpg


I like how Ironworks made the dash removable without interferring with the roll bar. NICE!


--Eric

[FaBrycation]

hey Rich, your wheels showed up at the shop today! i couldn't wait to see them so i opened them. they are sick!! rodger is in vegas but i couldn't wait .

[Sales@Dutchboys]

SICK! Those wheels are sweet!:thumbsup:

Paul

[mdprovee]

Rich,

The car is looking good. Cant wait to see it sometime.

Mike

[Mick Mc]

A couple more:



http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/14.jpg


Nice job on the dash to roll cage fabrication.


I was around for the whole head scratching, bow-tie shape, placement, exhaust exit quandry, what looks good, no my shape is better than yours...Any pictures of the result?

[rich-allen]

hey Rich, your wheels showed up at the shop today! i couldn't wait to see them so i opened them. they are sick!! rodger is in vegas but i couldn't wait .

Bryce,

I'm glad you like the wheels. It took 6 or 7 weeks of beating my head against the wall tryin g to decide which wheel would look the best.

I can wait to see them mounted on the car with some BFG rubber

[skatinjay27]

Bryce,

I'm glad you like the wheels. It took 6 or 7 weeks of beating my head against the wall tryin g to decide which wheel would look the best.

I can wait to see them mounted on the car with some BFG rubber

wheels look killer man!
when you see HRE's next to another company they just look completly inferior! lol

[novanutcase]

DAMN! That 'Maro is gonna be SICK!!!

John

[rich-allen]

We stuck the wheels on the car without the tires just to see what it might look like.

Not too bad egh?


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rim1.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rim2.jpg



http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rim3.jpg


Shwiiing!

[bentfab]

Bad Ass!!! Those are the same rims were putting on my customers Cuda,but with a little twist. 19" all the way around with a black hoop and satin center and 15" rotors to fill them up.

Peace out!!!!

[Jr]

Hot damn! Lookin good.

[JohnC]

Looks Sweet!:thumbsup:

[HWY Nova]

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/rim2.jpg



These rims sure would look good on a certain Nova Convertible! LOOKS GREAT!


--Eric

[rich-allen]

There was a real battle of opinions going on when I picked these out.
The HRE 893R are bad ass wheels however, they are another 1/3 more than comparable wheels. When Tyler offered me a kick ass deal I couldn't refuse.



All I have to do now is paint so the wheels really stand out. A dark gray metallic will do just fine. :yes:


Rodger found out last night that BFG discontinued the 315's in my size so were going with the 335's

Rich

[Swain]

Car is comin along nice...

[JohnC]

There was a real battle of opinions going on when I picked these out.
The HRE 893R are bad ass wheels however, they are another 1/3 more than comparable wheels. When Tyler offered me a kick ass deal I couldn't refuse.



All I have to do now is paint so the wheels really stand out. A dark gray metallic will do just fine. :yes:


Rodger found out last night that BFG discontinued the 315's in my size so were going with the 335's

Rich


What wheel styles were you guys "battling" over? Just Curious....

[rich-allen]

Asanti and Fisk

[Flash68]

Great wheel choice Rich. HRE is top shelf.

[ironworks]

Cal overnight should be here in the early AM wedensday with some BFG tires to set it down on its own weigh after getting them mounted. We here at the shop are pretty excited. The wheels are amazing.

Rodger

[brian mc]

DAMN!!!! those wheels look sick Rich. Good choice....and i thought when we picked your car up you were going to have roger throw it together for you. I guess you got caught in the ironworks web huh.... :thumbsup:

[rich-allen]

Hi Brian :captain:

A fair warning to those potential customers of Ironworks: Once you see the work they do first hand it's over!

My wallet certaintly got stuck in his web! :lolhit:

[HWY Nova]

DAMN!!!! those wheels look sick Rich. Good choice....and i thought when we picked your car up you were going to have roger throw it together for you. I guess you got caught in the ironworks web huh.... :thumbsup:


Hi Brian

A fair warning to those potential customers of Ironworks: Once you see the work they do first hand it's over!

My wallet certaintly got stuck in his web!

The Ironworks-web is amazing! I studied their projects, their wormanship, etc, for a while before I took my Nova there...... Like you guys: NO REGRETS HERE EITHER!

Ironworks projects seem to take on a life of their own. Just ask Rich... and Brian... and, of course, John! Tyler will find out soon enough (if he hasn't already).


--Eric

[novanutcase]

Hahaha! I was just talking to Rodger about this last night!

Rich? Remember when we were eating breakfast and I told you that now that you have your car at Ironworks you're going to REALLY see what is possible? LOL!
You looked at me kind of funny and said "Well, we're just going to be putting her back together with the stuff I already have" Hahaha! I knew it was over when you said that!

John

[syborg tt]

You looked at me kind of funny and said "Well, we're just going to be putting her back together with the stuff I already have" Hahaha! I knew it was over when you said that!

John


LOL - Yep, Funny how that happens

[brian mc]

well i am heading down to Ironworks friday to check out all the badd ass projects going on...Rich did they get the rubber mounted on those wheels of yours?

[ironworks]

Yes Rich has the Goods. I guess he is holding out on posting. MAN Oh MAN does it look good.

Rodger

[camaro2nv]

Im loving the work you guys do.

[rich-allen]

Thank you Rodger for sending the pics.

We still need to swap out the front shocks to a coil over kit and lower the front another inch or so. You guys get the idea:

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/tir3.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/tir4.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/tir5.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/tir6.jpg

[awr68]

Looks great! Coming along nicely! Is there going to be fender lip issues? They look real close on the rear? Great choice in wheels!! :thumbsup:

It's nice to see that Rodger and crew are able to keep so many projects moving forward all at one time! Great job guys!! :cheers:

[rich-allen]

Happy Thanksgiving Anthony,

There shouldn't be any clearance issues, if there is, Rodger will just have to fix them!

Rich

[awr68]

Happy Thanksgiving Anthony,

There shouldn't be any clearance issues, if there is, Rodger will just have to fix them!

Rich

Thanks Rich! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well!

I'm sure a little trim or roll will take care of any issues...if there are any that is. The reason I ask is that sometimes pics dont really show true fitment.

Looks killer, you have to be stoked!!

[Tom.A]

Rich,

That looks killer. :thumbsup:

[FaBrycation]

happy thanksgiving guys! rich the car looks awesome! especially in person. yeah we are going to have to barely clearance the rear lip but thats all. they fit and look great.

Brycen

[ironworks]

Well when we started the wheel mock up we were going to run the 315 like every one else and I had told Rich that. I wanted to get the wheels before I put the 335 idea out there. The rear wheel clearance is very close, the closest part is the rear lower shock mount with the coilover end on it from the "G" bar, we have about .375 but that is from the rim, the tire clears it totally at the ride height setting we are using, With a different suspension we could have moved the back space in just a tick would have been the best clearance since the tub and lip well. All we have to do is shorten the fender lip and form it to go up so it is just as strong if not stronger then stock. It is close but with the mods we are doing to the rear shock crossmember and the mini tubs we made it will work great.

RICH you nailed the wheels buddy, I know you were like a kid in a candy store when you were choosing, But The Force is with you on this choice. Oh and once we get the front clip dialed in we can remove the wood spacer blocks in the front control arms and set the ride height even. The plan is coming togther well.

The guys in my shop that have done a bunch of work on this car are showing there skills well. Brycen with the min tubs, front valance, Intercooler and exhaust. Erik with the Roll cage. Henry with the dash mods and smooth cowl and floor pockets for the exhaust. Jason with the Lay out of the engine bracket system and Procharger and the begining of the interior working.

Happy Thanksgiving guys

Rodger

[awr68]

Thanks for the info Rodger! :thumbsup:

Rich, I forget. What color is the car going? Do you have a rendering or someone working on one?

[Flash68]

Wow they really look great on there. Nice choice indeed.

I think you said you are going with some kind of dark grey/silver right?

[rich-allen]

Rodger, you and the guys have treated my project as if it were your own from the day it arrived. I know you guys treat every customer the same but it feels like special treatment to me.

Please let Brycen, Erik, Henry and Jason know how much I appreciate their professionalism and dedication to the project.

I hope everyone at Ironworks and Lateral-G has a wonderful Thanksgiving.




Rich

[rich-allen]

Alrighty then;

Rodger came up with a cool idea for the dash and cowl. Rodger knows that I'm a pilot and how much I love to fly so, he decided to design the dash and bring the cowl through the window to have a cockpit feel.

Here are a few pics of the progress;

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl1.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl2.jpg

Chip Foose he's not... But you get the idea.

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl3.jpg



http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl4.jpg


http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl5.jpg

[rich-allen]

A couple more:

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl6.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl7.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl8.jpg

http://eastbayerectors.com/camaro/cowl9.jpg

[DOOM]

Thats bad azz:wow:
Mario

[Jr]

Rich,
THe camaro is really coming along. Will there be gauges in the cowl area? Also, is the pro-charger bracket finalized? If so, can we get a picture? Keep the pictures coming.

David

[Payton King]

That is the coolest idea and what imagination.

That shop never ceases to amaze me. You have to be pumped!

[wiedemab]

That is sweet!

[Flash68]

Now that is creative!! WOW!!!

[Weldon0405]

Rock On!!!!:rockin:

[ironworks]

Thanks guys, We have a few more tricks up our sleeves for the dash and this car. We should be getting the Autometer gauges and be able to do somethings to really set her off. I think we are going call twist machine and get some of their bezel rings and then anodize them a cool color when we get to final assembly. Thanks again guys, Henry has done an amazing job on the work on the dash and cowl.

The Procharger Bracket is not done, my Solidworks designer has been swaped and traveling here and there. Someday he might get his crap togther to finish that along with the 10,000 other Project i have going on for him. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

More to come.

Rodger

[Ricochet]

Thanks guys, We have a few more tricks up our sleeves for the dash and this car. We should be getting the Autometer gauges and be able to do somethings to really set her off. Rodger

Looks awesome Rodger! But I thought you were going to use Custom Rod Gauges?:lol:

[ironworks]

We're saving that for a 55 we are doing in the spring....Can't use all my secrets on one car.

Rodger

[awr68]

Nice work guys! :thumbsup:

[camaro2nv]

Very cool!