new project / already having a blast

[67ragtp]

Thanks Greg - Ill be making up some test cables shortly. Thought I had this nailed down, oh well :( :( :(

[GregWeld]

If it was easy...... the fat chicks would be doing it.
:rofl:

[Ron in SoCal]

If it was easy...... the fat chicks would be doing it.
:rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm turning you into NOW...:)

[GregWeld]

I would also DOUBLE CHECK that you have 12V + at your lead from the relay...

Sometimes these are 12V- in order to run to another relay.

[67ragtp]

IT RUNS!! YEE HA!! Not very good, but nice to see good oil pressure/ fuel pressure and hear it come to life. In great backyard mechanic style I hooked up some home depot drain tubing and with a couple of pvc elbows, stuck it to the back of the muffs. It doesn't run very long, wont idle, but I believe the computer/MAF needs the proper parameters. It does sound healthy. Im kinda stuck at this point since I dont have hp tuners and really would bumble my way through the software. Got a leak at the firewall on one of the heater core fitttings so I need to resolve that. I tried the video feature on my camera but its not very good although if you turn up the volume you can hear the magnaflows barking.
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[DOOM]

:willy: :willy: :willy: Thats great Rich!!!!!!

[bonecrrusher]

That car looks niceeee!

[Ron in SoCal]

Congrats Rich! Car looks great...:thumbsup:

[BritishGreen68]

Wow man looks great! What shifter are you using?

[67ragtp]

Thanks Guys

The shifter is a pro 5.0, I cut the threaded portion off the handle and welded a 3 inch stainless shoulder bolt at the angle I liked.

Thanks again Rich

[waynieZ]

Thats Awesome Rich, Sweet! Glad to hear the mistery is solved.

[tones2SS]

Congrats Rich.
Your car looks great. Inside and out.:thumbsup:

[67ragtp]

Good news to report :yes: , the engine didn't want to run more than about 10 seconds. So I was checking the MAF pin placement in the connector and relized I flipped the air temp sensor wires. After correcting the mis wiring in the MAF connector, I also had heater water leaks in the bulk head plumbing at the firewall, I really dont like those oring hose barb fittings so I tore it all out and switched it to AN stuff. The engine ran great, pig rich but Im sure speartech did that to ensure his ECU doesn't lean out a new engine. The throttle by wire is a very strange feel to me, especially after coming back from a long cruise in my 67 SB camaro(finally nice weather on the east coast). The Ls7 is so refined, my son and I are looking under the hood at the ls7 idling at 800 rpm and we looked at each other and said it seems so stock, does that thing really make power. I mean it idles like your daily driver. I finally tracked down Ed Hutchins, he's a master tuner, Im gonna try and get him to come to my house to tune this thing, next step is a test drive. Bought a couple ring bros/DSE trinkets in the pics, moving forward.

The RB Button head bolts with the large counter bored washers, I wish I could do the whole engine compartment.
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The RB hood stops
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cool ring from DSE
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Finally got the short dumps on the mufflers, I actually cut them off a perfectly good set of magnaflow tail pipes, just for 8 inches of turned pipe with an expanded end, what a waste. They probably would have sat around my shop for the next two decades anyway.
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Rich

[waynieZ]

Glad to hear you got it figured out. That must be a load off your mind for sure. Those parts look sweet on there and I agree the button head bolts and washers dress it up nice. I hope he get there to tune it for you its got to be Tuff being this close to driving it. Nice job figuring out the problem.

[ModernMuseum]

Very nice! :lateral:

Do you mind sharing what pieces you used for your intake and air cleaner?

Also, where did you source them from?

[67ragtp]

Wayne- Thanks, I do feel a lot better, it just needs to be dialed in. I will keep you posted.

ModernMuseum- Thankyou, Dont mind at all, the intake tubing is from spectre performance you can purchase through summit or jegs. One 90deg 4 inch OD alluminum tubing with a 7 inch leg- part number 97990 and one 22 deg 4 inch OD alluminum tubing with a 6 inch leg- part number 97290

The filter is K&N part number RE-0870
And an AEM dry flow pre-filter part number- 1-4001

The MAF housing and sensor is a Powermax- powerMAF 100 its basically a stock ls7 hitachi sensor with there custom housing.

I used spectre's couplers. Hope this helps- Rich

[ModernMuseum]

Wayne- Thanks, I do feel a lot better, it just needs to be dialed in. I will keep you posted.

ModernMuseum- Thankyou, Dont mind at all, the intake tubing is from spectre performance you can purchase through summit or jegs. One 90deg 4 inch OD alluminum tubing with a 7 inch leg- part number 97990 and one 22 deg 4 inch OD alluminum tubing with a 6 inch leg- part number 97290

The filter is K&N part number RE-0870
And an AEM dry flow pre-filter part number- 1-4001

The MAF housing and sensor is a Powermax- powerMAF 100 its basically a stock ls7 hitachi sensor with there custom housing.

I used spectre's couplers. Hope this helps- Rich

Thanks a lot for the break-down and part numbers.

I've seen a lot of people route it this way. I'm guessing your air cleaner is routed into the void in the fender well? Do you think you're pulling in relatively cool air this way? Just curious, as I've seen people build air boxes to separate the air cleaner air from the engine bay.

[67ragtp]

If you look at the drivers side head light, just to the right of it is the grill opening and its taking in outside air. I imagine it has to be cooler than the filter being directly under the hood. Yes, the filter is almost completely under the front fender. You could build a sheet metal wall where it enters the fender isolating the filter from the engine bay, I dont think its necessary though. Scott G was very helpful when I was designing mine and informed me that it is a very dirty area and the pre-filter is a must. I would have never thought of that, I guess his filter got pretty dirty in short amount of time.

[tones2SS]

Looks great. Love the Ring Brother and DSE upgrades.:thumbsup:

[ModernMuseum]

If you look at the drivers side head light, just to the right of it is the grill opening and its taking in outside air. I imagine it has to be cooler than the filter being directly under the hood. Yes, the filter is almost completely under the front fender. You could build a sheet metal wall where it enters the fender isolating the filter from the engine bay, I dont think its necessary though. Scott G was very helpful when I was designing mine and informed me that it is a very dirty area and the pre-filter is a must. I would have never thought of that, I guess his filter got pretty dirty in short amount of time.

Sweet. Ill probably do mine the same way then.

Any particular reason you pointed your exhaust inward like that? Do you think you get much more noise that way vs running it all the way to the back?

[mrgm]

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[awr68]

Looks great Rich! :thumbsup:

[67ragtp]

Sweet. Ill probably do mine the same way then.

Any particular reason you pointed your exhaust inward like that? Do you think you get much more noise that way vs running it all the way to the back?
Straight down and it resonates off the pavement, can be even more annoying than the way I have it setup. By pointing them at each other and slightly down Im hoping for some slight noise cancelation. No matter how I look at it, it sucks. Also tried to direct the exhaust gas away from the inside of the wheel so I cut the angle accordingly. I would love to have full tails going out the back which would be significantly quieter but there are to many monkey bars back there. I try to do every thing I can myself with car building, exhaust systems have become my nemisis. It didn't seem obnoxiously loud while running in my basement, so it will have to do for now.

[67ragtp]

Well it finally got out on the driveway, exposed to the sun. First time since it came home from paint, one year later. Ran the engine for a while, Fan turned on at 200, I was happy to see that working properly, off at 190. The second fan never turned on, dont know what the set point is. First check was steering, couldnt move the wheel, and the brake pedal was bouncing all over the place. This is a hydraboost system so we jacked up the front end and turned the wheel a half million times and pumped the brake pedal another half million times. It feels alot better now. The hyd clutch needed 2 turns on the clevis linkage, and hopefully Im not bottoming out the master, pedal is hitting the floor board so I believe it is stopping before it hits the bottom of the master. The clutch feels good, drove up and down the driveway a few times and it seems to work nice, grabs just off the floor. I couldnt take it out for a maiden voyage since the the front fenders are practically sitting on the tires.
I think the Wilwood WS6 calipers were a poor choice on my part there just to big and the .250 spacer to clear them pushed the 10 inch forglines out enough to be to close to the edge. Ive got a little over 2 deg of negitive camber in this thing and cant get it to clear. I hope adjusting the ride height helps. My rims are a 7 inch inner and a 3 inch outer, Im wondering if I went to a 2.5 inch outer hoop making the rim a 9.5" would the 275 tire fit on it and would it be in the front fender a 1/2 deeper. If this makes sense please comment. Heres some pics almost complete outside. Thanks Rich

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[elitecustombody]

Beautiful car:thumbsup:great attention to detail

[War]

Rich, the car came out incredible. That is a great looking car you have, well done.:thumbsup:

[cencalc6]

your car is beautiful :cheers:

[Ron in SoCal]

Wow Rich...major props, she looks great from every angle! FYI, my Forgelines are 6.9" BS so I think you're right on the money. DSE does not use the C6 control arms as the AME sub on my bucket but I believe it's the same geometry and wheel clearance (i.e. 18x10). Front fender width should be very close also, which means time to roll those lips or get a diff front caliper? Keep me posted!

Oh, and that Endura buumper looks right at home...:lol:

[waynieZ]

Oh So SWEET! Nice work Rich, it looks great. Thaty must have felt good even just in the driveway. Very Nice.

[67ragtp]

Thanks guys, its been rewarding, I still have a bunch of sorting out to do. And Ed Hutchings is coming to my house to tune this thing the last week in June so I need to make it road worthy.

Thanks again- Rich

[fleetus macmullitz]

Car looks great. :thumbsup:

If you haven't already, you could try the wheel/tire and brake forum for your question.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/forumdisplay.php4?f=53

[tones2SS]

Wow Rich. You car looks killer. Very, very nice.:cheers:

[67ragtp]

WOW WOW WOW, IM A BELIEVER. All I can say is LS power is awesome, truly big block power in a smaller light weight package and responsive is an understatement. Four days ago I installed 500 lb springs in the chassis to get the ride height where I wanted it and perhaps make the car a little more sporty in the corners. It worked out well and dont think I went to heavy since the ride is very nice. What an end to a week, I hired master tuner Ed Hutchings(edcmat-l1) to tune my LS7. Super nice guy, spent a couple days with him at my house, we fought off the rain and he did what he does best tune the engine/car. He just flat out knows what he's doing and knows what the engine needs. When I say master tuner Im not kidding, after tuning hundreds of cars his experiance and knowledge base of all the different software packages and the hardware is extensive. His stories of his tuning trips to China, Germany, and Austria are incredable. Ed, I can't thankyou enough, I learned a bunch of things that I didn't know, and it was a pleasure having you. Ed lives in the Virginia Beach area so if you guys are looking for a tune, I highly recomend you look him up.

I still cant believe how the car handles, the DSE sub and Quad link are a killer combo. Im on overload, got a few little thing to sort out but overall the car is awesome!

Rich

[waynieZ]

SWEET! Glad to hear it went well. Just in time for the weather to clear up. :thumbsup:

[70rs]

Congrats on a truly awesome car Rich! Im really happy for you.
Keep us posted on the fine tuning and shakedown.

PS....I missed what color that red is. (paint code/name)
Can you clue me in?

[67ragtp]

Congrats on a truly awesome car Rich! Im really happy for you.
Keep us posted on the fine tuning and shakedown.

PS....I missed what color that red is. (paint code/name)
Can you clue me in?

Thanks- Just took my 20 year old son out for a ride, 2nd to 3rd shift, the friggin car flys, crazy how quick it accelerates.

No problem, its a stock gm color, Torch red, PPG deltron 2000 brand code 4230, also none as redline red.

Thanks again Rich

[70rs]

Thanks Rich.

20 year old son in a LS7 powered '69 Camaro, bright red and haulin a** ....... I bet he just might like that huh?:thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

Sounds like fun....:D :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

WOW WOW WOW, IM A BELIEVER. All I can say is LS power is awesome, truly big block power in a smaller light weight package and responsive is an understatement. Four days ago I installed 500 lb springs in the chassis to get the ride height where I wanted it and perhaps make the car a little more sporty in the corners. It worked out well and dont think I went to heavy since the ride is very nice. What an end to a week, I hired master tuner Ed Hutchings(edcmat-l1) to tune my LS7. Super nice guy, spent a couple days with him at my house, we fought off the rain and he did what he does best tune the engine/car. He just flat out knows what he's doing and knows what the engine needs. When I say master tuner Im not kidding, after tuning hundreds of cars his experiance and knowledge base of all the different software packages and the hardware is extensive. His stories of his tuning trips to China, Germany, and Austria are incredable. Ed, I can't thankyou enough, I learned a bunch of things that I didn't know, and it was a pleasure having you. Ed lives in the Virginia Beach area so if you guys are looking for a tune, I highly recomend you look him up.

I still cant believe how the car handles, the DSE sub and Quad link are a killer combo. Im on overload, got a few little thing to sort out but overall the car is awesome!

Rich

That is awesome Rich! Great car, well built...you deserve every smile the car gives you...:cheers:

[67ragtp]

Sounds like fun....:D :thumbsup:

Hey Todd, I wanted to let you know the Liberty prepped 600 is awesome, its getting smoother with every shift, only 20 miles on it. Its got a 5.0 shifter that they set up as well and the throws are so short. Its a world of difference from the stock 600 in my 67.

BTW we signed a bunch of papers today and made an offer, they did get the short sale approval from there banks. It will get interesting this week, thanks again :unibrow:

Rich

[Vegas69]

Yep, I'm definitely going down that road eventually.

Let me know how it turns out. Looks like a great place to call home.

[Flash68]

Hey Todd, I wanted to let you know the Liberty prepped 600 is awesome, its getting smoother with every shift, only 20 miles on it. Its got a 5.0 shifter that they set up as well and the throws are so short. Its a world of difference from the stock 600 in my 67.



Great info. Thanks for sharing that.

[CKTA]

Got to see the car in person 2 nights ago! WOW! This car is amazing!!!!!

Rich knocked it out of the park on this one. Hands down one of the nicest cars I have ever seen! :hail:

Good seeing you again Rich.

Doug

[67ragtp]

Got to see the car in person 2 nights ago! WOW! This car is amazing!!!!!

Rich knocked it out of the park on this one. Hands down one of the nicest cars I have ever seen! :hail:

Good seeing you again Rich.

Doug

Thanks Doug, It was good seeing you to, I didnt get out of there until after 9pm, fun night. I was all talked out. See ya around -thanks again- Rich

[Hulley]

Hey Rich, car looks awesome! I bet it'll be a cover car like your 67'. BTW I still have the mag. I cant wait to see it, I'll have to take another trip with Tommy.

[67ragtp]

Hey Rich, car looks awesome! I bet it'll be a cover car like your 67'. BTW I still have the mag. I cant wait to see it, I'll have to take another trip with Tommy.

Hey Steve,

Thanks real happy with the car, few things to sort out, good to hear from you, must be heating up in Gorgia. Definatly stop by if your in jersey, say Hi to Tommy when you see him.

Rich

[Ron in SoCal]

Time for an action shot Rich...:unibrow: :D

[waynieZ]

I'm with you Ron!

[67ragtp]

coming soon guys, the photographer who shot my 67 for super chevy saw the new car wednesday night and he wants to shoot it right away. So were gonna try some highway shots early with a chase car. Should be interesting to say the least.

Rich

[waynieZ]

Thats Sweet! All your hard work will pay of in Spades.

[ModernMuseum]

Wayne- Thanks, I do feel a lot better, it just needs to be dialed in. I will keep you posted.

ModernMuseum- Thankyou, Dont mind at all, the intake tubing is from spectre performance you can purchase through summit or jegs. One 90deg 4 inch OD alluminum tubing with a 7 inch leg- part number 97990 and one 22 deg 4 inch OD alluminum tubing with a 6 inch leg- part number 97290

The filter is K&N part number RE-0870
And an AEM dry flow pre-filter part number- 1-4001

The MAF housing and sensor is a Powermax- powerMAF 100 its basically a stock ls7 hitachi sensor with there custom housing.

I used spectre's couplers. Hope this helps- Rich

Rich-

That Spectre coupler that you are using to connect the two intake tubes together with....how long is that by chance? I looked on summit and the longest one I could find is 3", but it looks like the one you have there is around 6". Thanks.

[67ragtp]

It may be hard to see from the other photo's, What your looking at is the PowerMaf plastic housing in between two silcone couplers. Both couplers are two inches wide. I dont have part numbers for them and they are not spectre. Some brand that was supplied with the MAF housing. The coupler up at the throttlebody is also a two inch made by spectre. Heres a closer look-Hope this helps- Rich
http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u188/ragtp/Picture294.jpg

[ModernMuseum]

It may be hard to see from the other photo's, What your looking at is the PowerMaf plastic housing in between two silcone couplers. Both couplers are two inches wide. I dont have part numbers for them and they are not spectre. Some brand that was supplied with the MAF housing. The coupler up at the throttlebody is also a two inch made by spectre. Heres a closer look-Hope this helps- Rich


Thanks Rich. What is the primary function of this little plastic housing piece? Is it to extend the length of the tube and ultimately locate the filter further inside the fender? It looks like it's the same OD as the other (metal) tubes.

[67ragtp]

Its function is to house the Mass Air flow sensor. If you look towards the background of the pic you will see the MAF sensor protruding out. It is approx. 4 inches in length, many are made in Alluminum, mine is manufactured by PowerMAF made of some kind of plastic. It does extend the overall length of the intake system by 4 inches. The slot style Ls7 MAF sensor does include Intake air temp sensor as well, funny thing is I spent time trying to locate the sensor in the correct spot to avoid air turbulence problems and we ended up tuning the engine in a speed density mode which doesn't even use the darn MAF.
Hope this helps.

[Matt@BOS]

Rich, how much did you say you had to space out the front wheels after putting the Wilwood W6 calipers on? I had a similar issue and was able to grind a bit off the edge as to keep the caliper from hitting the hidden hardware.

Matt

[67ragtp]

I ended up with a .250 spacer and have about 2mm(.080) clearance overall. I think I would have had to grind a bit off the counter bore boss that holds one of the big caliper cap screws. Its tight in there, I have a 3 inch outer with a 7 inch inner with the dse recommended back space. For some reason I cant seem to bring myself to start grinding on the calipers. It looks like my interference issues are with the blind cap bolts as well. I hate the fact that I have negitive 2.2 degrees of camber in this thing just to clear the fender. I would love to move the tires in. I spoke with Scott at forgline and we discussed going to a 2.5 outer and a 7.5 inner that wouuld move the tire in 1/2 inch but I would still have to use the spacer to clear the caliper. Question is do I have the room at full lock back and forth. The 10 inch deal is a tight fit, throw in the huge calipers and its a mess. I will tell you these calipers kick azz, damn thing detaches the retna's from your eye balls.

What size are your hoops?

[ModernMuseum]

Its function is to house the Mass Air flow sensor. If you look towards the background of the pic you will see the MAF sensor protruding out. It is approx. 4 inches in length, many are made in Alluminum, mine is manufactured by PowerMAF made of some kind of plastic. It does extend the overall length of the intake system by 4 inches. The slot style Ls7 MAF sensor does include Intake air temp sensor as well, funny thing is I spent time trying to locate the sensor in the correct spot to avoid air turbulence problems and we ended up tuning the engine in a speed density mode which doesn't even use the darn MAF.
Hope this helps.

Ahh, sounds good. Thanks man.

[Stuart Adams]

Nice car, great setup. Congrats.

[Matt@BOS]

I ended up with a .250 spacer and have about 2mm(.080) clearance overall. I think I would have had to grind a bit off the counter bore boss that holds one of the big caliper cap screws. Its tight in there, I have a 3 inch outer with a 7 inch inner with the dse recommended back space. For some reason I cant seem to bring myself to start grinding on the calipers. It looks like my interference issues are with the blind cap bolts as well. I hate the fact that I have negitive 2.2 degrees of camber in this thing just to clear the fender. I would love to move the tires in. I spoke with Scott at forgline and we discussed going to a 2.5 outer and a 7.5 inner that wouuld move the tire in 1/2 inch but I would still have to use the spacer to clear the caliper. Question is do I have the room at full lock back and forth. The 10 inch deal is a tight fit, throw in the huge calipers and its a mess. I will tell you these calipers kick azz, damn thing detaches the retna's from your eye balls.

What size are your hoops?

I'm *only* running an 18x9 with a 275. However, the car is sitting so low with the half-height bushings, and springs, (which seem to keep settling a little after track days), that I had the wheels re-hooped half an inch wider on the outside, so that the wheels wouldn't scrape the control arms at close to full lock. Other than the rim width, we're running a nearly identical setup, so I'm thinking a little bit of grinding might solve the problem - if you can bring yourself to do it. Of course, having the fronts re-hooped and/or stepping down to a 9.5" would be the right way of doing things. I don't think you'd be sacrificing any significant performance. With DSE's rear bar, the car is fairly neutral in the corners.

Matt

[Vegas69]

A thicker hat that moved the wheel spokes away from the caliper would be the best option. Then you could adust your shell where it needs to be.

[67ragtp]

I'm *only* running an 18x9 with a 275. However, the car is sitting so low with the half-height bushings, and springs, (which seem to keep settling a little after track days), that I had the wheels re-hooped half an inch wider on the outside, so that the wheels wouldn't scrape the control arms at close to full lock. Other than the rim width, we're running a nearly identical setup, so I'm thinking a little bit of grinding might solve the problem - if you can bring yourself to do it. Of course, having the fronts re-hooped and/or stepping down to a 9.5" would be the right way of doing things. I don't think you'd be sacrificing any significant performance. With DSE's rear bar, the car is fairly neutral in the corners.

Matt

Its funny that you mention the springs settling, the 450# springs delivered with the frame settled just sitting in my garage to a point where I just got disgusted. Not even test driving the car yet I popped the lower ball joint and installed the 500# hyperco's, they seem to be holding the ride height although I have not done any real spirited driving yet. I truly wish that I went with a 9 or 9.5 rim, these forgeline's have not been with out a lot of issues, my wheels have been back there twice for major leak down issues. I thought if I just reduced the outer hoop to 2.5 making the rim a 9.5 it would help but it wont. The tire will not really move in much according to scott. I need to leave the center where it is and move the whole wheel in a 1/2 inch.
Todds recommendation is good to get rid of the spacer but it doesnt move the tire inward. Im certainly not worried about a performance loss this thing will out perform me any day of the week, the recommendation I took on this wheel size is just wrong especially with the brake package. Live and learn, Im just not sure if I want to cut my losses with forgeline or buy new wheels, probably still cheaper to have all new hoops made. A smaller caliper moves the wheel in a 1/4 inch, might have to get that grinder out.

[67ragtp]

Nice car, great setup. Congrats.

Thankyou Stuart. Your car, Scott's car and Charlie's jackass were a huge inspiration to me before and during the build of the car.

[Vegas69]

If you increase the hat thickness to clear the caliper you can move the hoop/tire where it needs to be.

[67ragtp]

If you increase the hat thickness to clear the caliper you can move the hoop/tire where it needs to be.

I totally agree, I just have to come to terms with purchasing all new hoops.

I might just have new centers made with the additional .250 built on to the back side of the wheel mounting pad then adjust the hoops accordingly

Im running a 14.25" rotor, I wonder if a 14 inch smaller diameter rotor would move the caliper down a bit and maybe clear.

[Vegas69]

Rich, I made the mistake of letting Scott shave a little off the hat to give me a little more wheel lip. I ended up having nut to caliper clearance issues with 14" rotors and didn't want the 1/4 spacer for obvious reason so I went to a 13" rotor as it was the cheaper alternative. If I ever replace the wheels, I'll likely put the 14" rotors back on since they don't have many miles on them and my 13's are getting used...:D

[ModernMuseum]

Its function is to house the Mass Air flow sensor. If you look towards the background of the pic you will see the MAF sensor protruding out. It is approx. 4 inches in length, many are made in Alluminum, mine is manufactured by PowerMAF made of some kind of plastic. It does extend the overall length of the intake system by 4 inches. The slot style Ls7 MAF sensor does include Intake air temp sensor as well, funny thing is I spent time trying to locate the sensor in the correct spot to avoid air turbulence problems and we ended up tuning the engine in a speed density mode which doesn't even use the darn MAF.
Hope this helps.

Man, I searched all over the internet last night for PowerMAF and couldn't find anything. Turns out it is spelled PowrMAF :rofl:

http://www.powrmax.com/PowrMAF%20100.html

I think I'm just going to weld a MAF bung to a 4" piece of aluminum pipe and save some cash though.

[Gandalf]

Spectre sells a 4" aluminum tube (about 6" long) with the bung welded on for a blade-style. It's about $30. I'd give you a direct link but their web site is absolutely lame. Go here: http://www.spectreperformance.com. Look in their catalog under "Modular Air Intakes", "Mass Air Flow Sensor Solutions" and "4" Polished Aluminum MAF tube".

Gregg

[67ragtp]

Man, I searched all over the internet last night for PowerMAF and couldn't find anything. Turns out it is spelled PowrMAF :rofl:

http://www.powrmax.com/PowrMAF%20100.html

I think I'm just going to weld a MAF bung to a 4" piece of aluminum pipe and save some cash though.

Sorry about the mis- spelling, Im a gramatic(not sure if thats a word) nightmare. GM performance parts sells a 4 inch MAF aluminum housing also.

[67ragtp]

Made a bit of progress sorting this car out. Had to re-shim the hydraulic throw out bearing since it was barely disengaging and grabing right off the floor. Had to pull the trans to do it, no fun there. So while the exhaust was out, I got rid of the big rubber bands that magnaflow delivers to hang the mufflers. Replaced them with some nice stainlessworks hangers and those blue isolator thingy's. Amazing how much more secure the system is now. The clutch grabs closer to the middle of the pedal travel too, feels much nicer. Also installed a front spoiler, finishes off the nose. Heres a few car porn pics.

Rich
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[War]

Wow! Nice job Rich. How do you like the Magnaflows?

[Vegas69]

Man, I had to put on my sunglasses. :thumbsup: Looks great!

[Ron in SoCal]

Car looks ss-mokin' hot Rich! If you're like me, you better get a couple of extra front spoilers cause they go away fast on our lowered cars/driveways...:)

[waynieZ]

It looks awesome Rich! Those tires look so aggressive. Sweet

[67ragtp]

Wow! Nice job Rich. How do you like the Magnaflows?

Thanks Jason- The Magnaflows sound great, not annoying on the highway, deep throaty idle, and when your on the gas they really become loud, I wasn't sure about them when I purchased the set up, but Its definatly one of the best deals for the money. Not sure about the grade of stainless(its magnetic), but when you consider that our cars dont get driven daily, you cant go wrong, Im diggin the sound. I think you will like them :thumbsup:

Rich

[67ragtp]

Man, I had to put on my sunglasses. :thumbsup: Looks great!

Thanks Todd and Ron- I know what you mean, Im on the second one with the 67. I thought about lowering this car a bit more but I really need to have some driving clearance so Im not gonna push it.

Thanks again Rich

[67ragtp]

It looks awesome Rich! Those tires look so aggressive. Sweet

Thanks Wayne- Im looking forward to seeing yours in a couple weeks :cheers:

Rich

[waynieZ]

Me TOO! :willy:

[tones2SS]

Very nice Rich. Your car looks great!

[edcmat-l1]

That's a beautiful car.

If I haven't said it, it was great meeting you and your family. Thanks for the hospitality! I hope to hear from you soon. If there's anything you ever need, you know how to get in touch with me.

[Roger Poirier]

I'm impressed big time. Love the color and wheels! :thumbsup:

[67ragtp]

That's a beautiful car.

If I haven't said it, it was great meeting you and your family. Thanks for the hospitality! I hope to hear from you soon. If there's anything you ever need, you know how to get in touch with me.

Hey Ed, Likewise- We did great considering all the bad weather we battled. The car runs fantastic, your tune is spot on. About a month after you left I dropped the trans to adjust the hyd throw out bearing. The clutch grabs in the middle of the travel and the car doesnt buck on leaving from idle. I relized that with the clutch grabbing immediatly off the floor that the rpms were dropping under load before I was giving it the gas to get her going. I cant believe how this thing accelerates its like a jack rabbit. Ill shoot you an email soon, got some pics to show you.

Rich

[67ragtp]

I'm impressed big time. Love the color and wheels! :thumbsup:

Hey Thanks Roger- I must say your 69 judge is second to none! That car is gorgeous. Glad to hear your doc is getting you dialed in.

Stay healthy- Rich

[edcmat-l1]

Hey Ed, Likewise- We did great considering all the bad weather we battled. The car runs fantastic, your tune is spot on. About a month after you left I dropped the trans to adjust the hyd throw out bearing. The clutch grabs in the middle of the travel and the car doesnt buck on leaving from idle. I relized that with the clutch grabbing immediatly off the floor that the rpms were dropping under load before I was giving it the gas to get her going. I cant believe how this thing accelerates its like a jack rabbit. Ill shoot you an email soon, got some pics to show you.

Rich

Great! Good to hear. Please shoot me an email. I have some Pro touring pics to share with you as well. Also some events some of my other pro touring customers will be participating in, and wndering if you're interested.

I'll be in Pittsburgh all next week, and LS fest Sept 9-11. Hit me up if you get a chance.

[MarkM66]

Great looking car.

I probably missed it, but what's the color on it?

[67ragtp]

Great looking car.

I probably missed it, but what's the color on it?


Thanks Mark, its GM Torch Red

[67ragtp]

Small update, finally got the front forgeline's re-hooped. had them pull the 3 inch outer hoop and replace it with a 2 inch so the rim is a 9 inch now. The 275s fit good on it, it really doesn't bulge to much. It has a lot more room to at the front fender edge. I think I like the wheel better now since the wheel center is out further or appears that way since it lost 1" of lip. Also had Ogden Chrome do there magic chrome work on a gm rear bumper for me. what a difference from the junk repro I first installed. These do nice work at a reasonable price.
Rich
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[tones2SS]

Looks killer Rich. Very nice.

[waynieZ]

It looks good Rich, it will be a lot better incase of hitting a bigger bump in the road.

[67ragtp]

Thanks guys, I think its pretty much done for now. Maybe Santa will bring me an autometer A/F ratio guage for the dash for Christmas. Time to put a few miles on it.

Rich

[waynieZ]

DRIVE ON ! The perfect weather is still ahead of us. Enjoy it !

[Mark S.]

I met Rich last night at a local meet and this car is beautiful! He really did an incredible job. I am just sorry I got there so late and didn't get to really drool all over it. There is another meet this Sunday, so I'll bring a bib for that one and really have at it. Again, great job Rich, the car is awesome!

[67ragtp]

Thanks Mark, nice meeting you as well.

Rich

[Gandalf]

Hey Rich - how's the car running??

What did you end up doing for an oil cooler?

Cheers,
Gregg

[Bryan O]

Awesome car you've got Rich. I've really enjoyed reading (and re-reading and re-reading) your build the last year or so I've been on Lat-G. :thumbsup:

[67ragtp]

Hey thanks Bryan, The car has been under going some change, I really should update the thread and shoot a few pics. I needed a winter project and decided to remove the the TKO and install a t56 magnum. The t56 is a behemoth gear box, thing just beat me up installing it, its really getting old wrestling this stuff laying on my back, enough wining! Also did a wavetrac upgrade in the rear. Got to send the driveshaft out for shortening and clean up a few things.

Thanks again Rich

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey thanks Bryan, The car has been under going some change, I really should update the thread and shoot a few pics. I needed a winter project and decided to remove the the TKO and install a t56 magnum. The t56 is a behemoth gear box, thing just beat me up installing it, its really getting old wrestling this stuff laying on my back, enough wining! Also did a wavetrac upgrade in the rear. Got to send the driveshaft out for shortening and clean up a few things.

Thanks again Rich

Awesome Rich! I knew you wouldn't sit still...:lol: Tell me about the Wavetrac. We're there any issues at your HP level w the Truetrac? Also, you're upgrading axles too, right? Oh, and....

:ttiwop:

[67ragtp]

Hey Rich - how's the car running??

What did you end up doing for an oil cooler?

Cheers,
Gregg

Hey Gregg, the car is running great, I just need to stop wrenching and drive more. The oil cooler is still on my list, I will most likely go with a Setrab, possibly the factory ls9 setup, its pretty cool.

Rich

[67ragtp]

Awesome Rich! I knew you wouldn't sit still...:lol: Tell me about the Wavetrac. We're there any issues at your HP level w the Truetrac? Also, you're upgrading axles too, right? Oh, and....

:ttiwop:

Hey Ron, sorry Im gettin lazy with the camera. No issues with the trutrac, car has less than 200 miles on it. Just wanted to get it out before I get the car down to NJ motorsports park, and then more than likely hurt it. I can tell you they all make a little noise back there especially when you un load them coming off the highway stopping and starting. It seems these gear type diffs like heavier lube, it quiets them down a bit, they just dont have any spring tension to take up gear lash the way a conventional posi does, you got lash in the ring/pinion the splines in the axles and lots of little gears in the diff and it all moves a bit. The wavetrac is a ncely machined piece, I went with the 35 spline axles. In a 12 bolt application with the 35 spline axles moser uses a diff bearing where the bearing cage protrudes out the back surface of the race, so they had to make these ring spacers, you cant just stack the standard shims up against the cage. These spacers are only about 3/16 wide and just thick enough to clear the cage and then you stack the shims. It just seemed a bit weak, after talking with some engineers, I come to relize theres very little side loading there and once the bearing cap comes down and locks the assembly in place it aint going anywhere. Oh ya, I think the axles added another 100 lubs to the back of the car, there friggin huge. If your road coursing the car or even heavy autocross the wavetrac is good insurance. Wavetrac uses some serious steel in there units, I call it unobtainium, you wont blow that beast.

Rich

[sunoco67]

WOW... Your car looks great.. My 67 Camaro was first painted Porsche Guards Red back in the late 80s but after some paint adhesion problems I painted it black and said I would never change the color. Well Im thinking of a color change especially after seeing your car in Torch Red.. Im still not sure what color but red is such a clean color. Thanks for the progress photos.

[Ron in SoCal]

Hey Ron, sorry Im gettin lazy with the camera. No issues with the trutrac, car has less than 200 miles on it. Just wanted to get it out before I get the car down to NJ motorsports park, and then more than likely hurt it. I can tell you they all make a little noise back there especially when you un load them coming off the highway stopping and starting. It seems these gear type diffs like heavier lube, it quiets them down a bit, they just dont have any spring tension to take up gear lash the way a conventional posi does, you got lash in the ring/pinion the splines in the axles and lots of little gears in the diff and it all moves a bit. The wavetrac is a ncely machined piece, I went with the 35 spline axles. In a 12 bolt application with the 35 spline axles moser uses a diff bearing where the bearing cage protrudes out the back surface of the race, so they had to make these ring spacers, you cant just stack the standard shims up against the cage. These spacers are only about 3/16 wide and just thick enough to clear the cage and then you stack the shims. It just seemed a bit weak, after talking with some engineers, I come to relize theres very little side loading there and once the bearing cap comes down and locks the assembly in place it aint going anywhere. Oh ya, I think the axles added another 100 lubs to the back of the car, there friggin huge. If your road coursing the car or even heavy autocross the wavetrac is good insurance. Wavetrac uses some serious steel in there units, I call it unobtainium, you wont blow that beast.

Rich

Great description Rich....:cheers:

I took a hard look at the WaveTrac. Stout unit no doubt! I'm also keeping my options open for a floater rear (one day, phase two perhaps) and not sure I want to limit my options to one 35 spline vendor. I also agree about he noise, and possible breakage when beat on (my 31 spline axles are good to 700hp I was told), but decided to take the risk. We'll see how that goes...:question:

[pro-touring.no]

Hi Rich...
:) car looks so nice...

Kjell