Hogan's vs. Precision Metalcraft vs. ?

[Van B]

I am looking to fuel inject the L92 I am building for my Camaro and liked the looks of the Hogan's fabricated intake until I saw the one from Precision Metalcraft that Jody put on his Chevelle.

I am not doing forced induction, but NA. I would like to have one of each to dyno test, but realize that might be a tough thing to do without writing some large checks and selling the one I don't use. I just hate to make a $2000+ investment only to find out it does not work well.

So, if anyone has either laying around and would be willing to allow some dyno testing, contact me and we can work out details. I have had preliminary talks with Jeff Schwartz regarding dyno testing and came up with the comparison idea after we talked.

I smell a comparison article brewing if I can pull it off.

[Datsbad]

I have one sitting in the shop now and we are also curious to what it will do NA.

Let me know if you get one to try. This is our second one since UPS damaged the 1st . I would send it to you but with the damage on the 1st I am a little worried.

[camcojb]

My guess is the PMC unit will make more low and mid-range torque due to the runners extended up into the plenum with a bell top making it an IR setup with a plenum over it. It would be a cool test though.

Jody

[Van B]

My guess is the PMC unit will make more low and mid-range torque due to the runners extended up into the plenum with a bell top making it an IR setup with a plenum over it. It would be a cool test though.

Jody

So the Hogan's runners stop at the plenum? I realize that it is a huge leap for someone to send me their $2000+ intakes, but I would hope that enough people here either know me or have dealt with me to know I am a straight up guy.

Jason, what part of PA are you in? My boss is from Pittsburgh and is in and out of there all the time. We'll see what happens.

I also have a local guy who might fab one for me to add a third to the test. Here is the one he made for his Ferrari.

[camcojb]

yes, Hogans are like this:

http://www.camcojb.com/temp/mal081.jpg

Precision Metalcraft is like this:

http://www.camcojb.com/temp/malitude 357.jpg

Jody

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

are there any gains out of these intakes?.. signifigant ones?

I was looking at the PMC one for my LS7 but still was reserved about it..

[1955LSX]

From my personal experience, unless you're going forced induction, many of the sheetmetal intakes turn a smooth & hard running LSX into more of a peaky, old scool SBC feel. I have had several guys run them, & go back to a FAST 90 or equivalent.

[camcojb]

From my personal experience, unless you're going forced induction, many of the sheetmetal intakes turn a smooth & hard running LSX into more of a peaky, old scool SBC feel. I have had several guys run them, & go back to a FAST 90 or equivalent.


that is true, but I'm still thinking with that extended runner length of the PMC design that it will give a very broad power range and very good low to mid range torque. It sure does with an IR setup, and that's pretty much what this is, with a plenum over the top.

I of course have no facts to back this up; this just comes from running an IR setup and the changes it made over a single 4 barrel throttle body and single plane intake, and looking at the design of my PMC intake, just my personal opinion. I'd love to see someone do some back to back engine dynoing of stock vs the PMC.



Jody

[deuce_454]

i would love to see the kinsler cross-ram IR setup in that test.... and possibly a fast92 and OEM l92 intake....

[Datsbad]

So the Hogan's runners stop at the plenum? I realize that it is a huge leap for someone to send me their $2000+ intakes, but I would hope that enough people here either know me or have dealt with me to know I am a straight up guy.

Jason, what part of PA are you in? My boss is from Pittsburgh and is in and out of there all the time. We'll see what happens.

I also have a local guy who might fab one for me to add a third to the test. Here is the one he made for his Ferrari.

VAN, I trust you its the shipping companies I dont. I am in chambersburg pa . It is about 2.5-3 hrs from Pittsburgh.
Let me know if I can help in anyway , Jason

[lil427z]

i have both . the hogan maid 1200hp on a 427ci sbc tt. the pmc is on a 427 ls7 motor
rick k:cheers:

[Van B]

i would love to see the kinsler cross-ram IR setup in that test.... and possibly a fast92 and OEM l92 intake....

I assume you were talking about this one.

http://www.kinsler.com/NewProducts/Pics/JPG/LS7XRam_Silver_CarbonWeb.jpg

I like it. Anyone have any idea on pricing? I am willing to give up a little power for some wow factor when you open the hood, so I don't need the on that makes the most HP. How about driveability? What ECU would you use?

Also, some say a MAF system is better than speed density. Opinions?

[Bowtieracing]

From my personal experience, unless you're going forced induction, many of the sheetmetal intakes turn a smooth & hard running LSX into more of a peaky, old scool SBC feel. I have had several guys run them, & go back to a FAST 90 or equivalent.

I remember someone tested sheetmetal "ultimate LS7 intake" in LS1tech and low and mid range power ( where all of us do the 99% of driving..) was less than factory stock. As 1955LSX said there is not more to gain than killer looks.

[XcYZ]

I assume you were talking about this one.

http://www.kinsler.com/NewProducts/Pics/JPG/LS7XRam_Silver_CarbonWeb.jpg

I like it. Anyone have any idea on pricing? I am willing to give up a little power for some wow factor when you open the hood, so I don't need the on that makes the most HP. How about driveability? What ECU would you use?

Also, some say a MAF system is better than speed density. Opinions?

It's around $6k. Kurt is building a 69 Camaro right now with the Kinsler intake on an LS7. The car is almost identical to mine, (same cam, trans, rear, etc). It will be chassis dyno'd at the same shop that did mine, so it's going to be interesting to see what kind of numbers it makes.

There's a bunch of pics here:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=15999

http://www.autokraft.org/gallery/hayim/album/images/0070.jpg

[FreddyG]

Wilson also makes sheet metal intakes. If doing a comparison, you might want to check them out too.

Also, if you want one of the coolest intakes around, look at a Harrop. They're a company from Australia and their intake has 8 individual throttle bodies and is just SICK.........but be sitting down when you price them!

Harrop Hurricane............ (http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/harrop_manifolds/amfd7022-00.html)

Good Luck! It sounds like a Cool Project! :cheers:

[deuce_454]

id like to hear about the drivability and idle of the IR manifolds aswell... and if somone could post a dyno clip with sound ;-)

[Datsbad]

Wilson also makes sheet metal intakes. If doing a comparison, you might want to check them out too.

Also, if you want one of the coolest intakes around, look at a Harrop. They're a company from Australia and their intake has 8 individual throttle bodies and is just SICK.........but be sitting down when you price them!

Harrop Hurricane............ (http://www.harrop.com.au/root_folder/harrop_manifolds/amfd7022-00.html)

Good Luck! It sounds like a Cool Project! :cheers:

Yeah , we did that on Fuel back in 05 .ACTUALLY CHEAP COMPAIRED TO SOME OF THE OTHER INTAKES OUT. Worked great and provide much more power than a standard LS style intake
http://www.gforcedesignconcepts.com/albums/fuel_completed/20060527_009.jpg
http://www.gforcedesignconcepts.com/albums/fuel_completed/DSC01841.jpg

[Datsbad]

id like to hear about the drivability and idle of the IR manifolds aswell... and if somone could post a dyno clip with sound ;-)

Driveabiltiy on Fuel was great . The harrop made by larger camshaft very smooth . Pretty common on the IR set ups.

[FreddyG]

Yeah , we did that on Fuel back in 05 .ACTUALLY CHEAP COMPAIRED TO SOME OF THE OTHER INTAKES OUT. Worked great and provide much more power than a standard LS style intake
http://www.gforcedesignconcepts.com/albums/fuel_completed/20060527_009.jpg
http://www.gforcedesignconcepts.com/albums/fuel_completed/DSC01841.jpg

:drool: That car is SICK! You did a Beautiful job on that! :cheers: Could I Please ask what something like that sells for?

From the sound of it, if you can get the tune of the separate throttle bodies right, it has Wicked throttle response!

id like to hear about the drivability and idle of the IR manifolds aswell... and if somone could post a dyno clip with sound ;-)

My guess would be that quite a bit of drivability is in the tune. That's regardless of intake, but some intakes might make it easier to tune, that's just my guess.

Here's one that I found on youtube of a 454 LSX motor running a Beck sheet metal intake! This thing sounds Absolutely WICKED!

LME 454 LSx MONSTER.......... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxzYMF2vErg&feature=related)