many turbo questions

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Hello guy's i'm in the process of buying a car from a member here and also want to start planning the build. I have question's cuz i'm new to turbo's and want to do this right the first time. My first question is will a crate motor (ZZ4-ZZ383) work with a twin turbo setup. What about tran's, auto or manual or does it make different. I would like an auto but if the manual would work better then that's what i'll do. The car will be something i drive but also hit the track ever so often. And last were is a good place to buy turbo's.

thank's i'm sure i'll have more question's later.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Hello guy's i'm in the process of buying a car from a member here and also want to start planning the build. I have question's cuz i'm new to turbo's and want to do this right the first time. My first question is will a crate motor (ZZ4-ZZ383) work with a twin turbo setup. What about tran's, auto or manual or does it make different. I would like an auto but if the manual would work better then that's what i'll do. The car will be something i drive but also hit the track ever so often. And last were is a good place to buy turbo's.

thank's i'm sure i'll have more question's later.


Any motor can be good for turbo's if its got the correct parts inside it. Do you want to source a custom kit or buy and off the shelf setup?

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Thank's for the reply, see i do'nt know if the ZZ4 or ZZ383 is good enough cuz i dont know anything about turbo's. As for buying im not sure there either. If you could show me some site's that sale turbo's and kit's.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Thank's for the reply, see i do'nt know if the ZZ4 or ZZ383 is good enough cuz i dont know anything about turbo's. As for buying im not sure there either. If you could show me some site's that sale turbo's and kit's.

Out of the crate the zz4 might be able to handle a small amount of boost without breaking. The bottom end and heads will need work and strengthening of you want longevity / reliablility.

Pick up Corky Bells "Maximum Boost" and go to one of his websites - http://www.bellengineering.net/ Also check out http://www.bankspower.com/twin-turbo-products.cfm for some info on a kit. Gale and Corky in my opinion are the ones to learn from.

The best way to turbo a car is to do the research and determine which setup is best for YOU. What do you feel comfortable with fuel injected, carb blow through, super charger, turbo, etc. Take the time and you'll only buy things once and enjoy the car much more.

[01somta]

When it comes to trannys it doesn't matter if it is a manual or auto. If it is for drag racing purposes an auto would be better due to not lossing as much boost in between shifts.

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you guys are being very helpfull

so i might just build a motor then buying a crate engine if i would have to change parts anyway.

[01somta]

you guys are being very helpfull

so i might just build a motor then buying a crate engine if i would have to change parts anyway.

Here are a couple sbc and bbc shortblocks that are built for boost. You can also look through their turn key engines and get one with a 9.5:1 CR. The turn key motors come with a 2 yr. unlimited mileage warranty.

http://www.ultrastreet.net/poweradder.asp

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i think i found the short block im going to go with.....

http://www.ultrastreet.net/poweradder_short_sb.asp

the stage 1 406 cu in for $4770.00

thanks :thumbsup:

[01somta]

About this time last year I finished up a DIY turbo build on my 93 mustang that had a stock 302sbf short block with alum. heads and 150k miles. At 9psi it put down 532rwhp with out a dyno tune, it took about 3 months to build and about 3k. I had no turbo experience when we started and with help from a friend (mechanical engineer) it was a breeze. I also used alot of info from turbomustangs.com (not just for mustangs now). Just make sure that you get a good wideband or a/f guage, do a boost leak down test, and do the best that you can to keep your under hood temps down. You can't bet the feel of a turbo and the car had very good street manners. That was one of the cars that I wish I would not of sold. Here are a couple pics, when we were completely finished the engine bay looked alot cleaner.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/93lx019.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/93lx020.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/93lx009.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/93lx001.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/93lx008.jpg

[01somta]

Here are a couple videos of when we first cranked it over.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/th_93lx011.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/?action=view&current=93lx011.flv)
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/th_93lx012.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a91/fish451983/?action=view&current=93lx012.flv)

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That is a nice setup, what size turbo is that. I've been to that forum before a few times they have some nice car's there. Id like to make around 1000-1200hp and still be able to drive cross country.

[01somta]

That is a nice setup, what size turbo is that. I've been to that forum before a few times they have some nice car's there. Id like to make around 1000-1200hp and still be able to drive cross country.

It was a Master Powers t70, if you are wanting to make that much power and drive cross country then you need to find the best ways to lower your underhood temps. Those turbos, headers, and exhaust will put off some heat. You will want some turbo blankets, header wrap, maybe some electrical heat shield and etc.

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K i'm makeing a list of thing's i'll need and i will put those item's on it. I still need to get the car home and do a look over then start on the body. After that i'm going to do the suspension then the drive train will be next. The interior and paint will be last cuz i'm not sure which color i'm goin to paint it. I might keep it primed for awhile before i paint it.

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what about a T3/T4 hybrid i keep hearing about those turbo's.is that a turbo i can use to make the power im looking for.

[01somta]

what about a T3/T4 hybrid i keep hearing about those turbo's.is that a turbo i can use to make the power im looking for.

You would have to run two to make the kind of hp (1200 hp) your looking for and even running two you would be running them at the max. 1200rwhp is a reachable goal, but what is the highest hp car that you have owened/driven?

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yea i would like it to be a twin turbo but if the t3/t4 would be pushing it then i wont worry about them. the most power ive own was a 500hp 350 in a 67 camaro when i was 19. so two t70 wuld be a better choice.....

[01somta]

yea i would like it to be a twin turbo but if the t3/t4 would be pushing it then i wont worry about them. the most power ive own was a 500hp 350 in a 67 camaro when i was 19. so two t70 wuld be a better choice.....

I'm not trying to talk you out of your goal, but 1200rwhp is alot, and ALOT of money. I would look for a reasonable 750rwhp max with a single turbo. The stage 1 short block that you choose is good up to 800 hp (and that's probably fwhp), if you are really look to make 1200hp then you need to step up to the stage 3 shortblock, which is double in price and that not including upgrading your fuel system and everything else to support 1200 hp.

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i see what you saying, and i am thankfull. you are right i might just settle for 800hp or the stage 2 engine 1000hp. My budget on the motor plus turbo setup is $10,000.00 would that make a reasonable power point.

thanks for all the help you are giveing me...........

[01somta]

i see what you saying, and i am thankfull. you are right i might just settle for 800hp or the stage 2 engine 1000hp. My budget on the motor plus turbo setup is $10,000.00 would that make a reasonable power point.

thanks for all the help you are giveing me...........

15k at min. would probably be a better starting point and that is with you fab'ing the turbo stuff yourself. If you do fab your own setup just start pricing your mandrel bends and you would be suprised how fast that will add up, also ask around and see how much a set up turbo headers will run you. You could easily have 10k in your turn key engine after adding everything to your shortblock, not including your fuel setup. I'm not even sure if your going EFI or carb., and that will change your budget. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I just want you to know what you are getting into before you start buying parts and then can't afford to finish.

[camcojb]

15k at min. would probably be a better starting point and that is with you fab'ing the turbo stuff yourself. If you do fab your own setup just start pricing your mandrel bends and you would be suprised how fast that will add up, also ask around and see how much a set up turbo headers will run you. You could easily have 10k in your turn key engine after adding everything to your shortblock, not including your fuel setup. I'm not even sure if your going EFI or carb., and that will change your budget. I'm not trying to discourage you, but I just want you to know what you are getting into before you start buying parts and then can't afford to finish.

I agree, 10K for a turbo setup is probably low.

Jody

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what kind of power can i get with a budget of aound $10,000.00 or so. (turbo or n/a)

[01somta]

what kind of power can i get with a budget of aound $10,000.00 or so. (turbo or n/a)

http://www.ultrastreet.net/540_classic.asp

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WOW now that is nice, im so undesided to go turbo or n/a, i dont mine going over my budget if it gives me what i want. i guess when its time to buy an engine i will flip a coin.

[01somta]

I will tell you one thing you can't beat the feel of a turbo!!! If you look at the bottom of the page that 540ci has a street package which drops the c.r. down to 9.5:1 which would be good for n/a (plenty of hp also) now and turbo later (when you can afford or just ready).

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That's not a bad idea,:thumbsup: i was thinking the samething. I can alway's lose some of the weight in the front end to help with the size of the big block. I might just go with one turbo if i can get another 200-300hp out of it if not then two. I think the drive train and the suspension w/brake's will cost the most out of the whole build.