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Cage or Roll Bar Specs?
I'm starting to do research for my cage/rollbar, and can't find any NHRA or IHRA rule books online.
I don't want to speculate on what quarter mile times my car will run, But it'll be mini-tubbed and have all the DSE goodies, along with smallblock and twin turbos. Anyone know what wall thickness and diameter/points are required for different quarter mile times? |
Bill, this is an older article, but gives you an idea of the different levels and breakdowns. I know the NHRA dropped the 11.99 cutoff to 11.49.
http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/48019/ |
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Thanks Scott. :thumbsup:
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And speaking of DSE, one of our members is now a dealer for them! I'm sure he'll chime in when it's ready for publication. |
dse dealer
whos the dealer, fess up?? camco? vince???
give it up jake |
Bill, this is the most technical info I could find. You will want to get a hold of a rulebook to be sure this is the most up to date. I know on Jan 1, 2005, the 11.99 break moved to 11.49.
ROLL BARS{reprint from IHRA Rulebook} Mandatory in all cars running 11.49 or quicker, or per class requirements. All roll bars must be within 6 inches of the rear or side of the driver's head, extend in height at least 3 inches above the driver's helmet with driver in normal driving position, and be at least as wide as the driver's shoulders or within 1 inch of the driver's door. Rollbar must be adequately supported or cross-braced to prevent forward or lateral collapse. Rear braces must be of the same diameter and wall thickness as the roll bar and intersect with the roll bar at a point not more than 5 inches from the top of the roll bar. Sidebar must be included on driver's side and must pass the driver at a point midway between the shoulder and elbow. Swing-out sidebar permitted. All roll bars must have in their construction a cross bar for seat bracing and as the shoulder- harness attachment point; cross bar must be installed no more than 4 inches below, and not above, the driver's shoulders or to side bar. All vehicles with OEM frame (i.e. pickup truck where body bolts to framerails) must have roll bar welded or bolted to frame. Installation of frame connectors on unibody cars does not constitute a frame; therefore, it is not necessary to have the roll bar attached to the frame. Unibody cars with stock floor and firewall (wheeltubs permitted) may attach roll bar with 6-inch x 6-inch x .125-inch steel plates on top and bottom of floor bolted together with at least four 3/8-inch bolts and nuts, or weld main hoop to rocker sill area with .125-inch reinforcing plates, with plates welded completely. All 4130 chrome moly tube welding must be done by approved TIG heliarc process; mild steel welding must be done by approved MIG wire feed or approved TIG heliarc process. Welding must be free of slag and porosity. Any grinding of welds prohibited. Roll bar must be padded anywhere driver's helmet may contact it while in driving position. Adequate padding must have minimum 1/4-inch compression or meet SFI Spec 45.1. ROLL CAGE{reprint} Mandatory in all cars running quicker than 10.99 seconds or faster than 135 mph, or per class requirements. Cars with unaltered firewall, floor and body (from firewall rearward, wheeltubs permitted) running between 10.00 and 10.99, roll bar permitted in place of roll cage, or per Class Requirements. Cars with altered firewall, floor faster than 11.49 must have rollcage and window net. All cage structures must be designed in an attempt to protect the driver from any angle, 360 degrees. All 4130 chrome-moly tube welding must be done by approved TIG heliarc process; mild steel tube welding must be approved MIG wire feed or TIG heliarc process. Welding must be free of slag and porosity. Any grinding of welds prohibited. Additionally, roll cage must be padded anywhere the driver's helmet may contact it while in the driving position. With driver in driving position, helmet must be in front of main hoop. If helmet is behind or under main hoop, additional tubing, same size and thickness as roll cage, must be added to protect driver. Main hoop may be laid back or forward, but driver must be encapsulated within the required roll cage components. On unibody cars with stock floor and firewall (wheel tubs permitted), the roll cage may be bolted or welded to the floor/rocker box via 6- inch x 6-inch x .125-inch steel plates Unless attaching to OEM floor or frame, the minimum requirements for a frame member to which a roll cage member is attached are 1 5/8- inch x .118-inch MS or .083-inch CM round and/or 2-inch x 2-inch x .058 MS or CM rectangular. All cage structures must have in their construction a cross bar for seat bracing and as the shoulder-harness attachment point; cross bar must be installed no more than 4 inches below, and not above, the driver's shoulders, or to side bar. All required rear braces must be installed at a minimum angle of 30 degrees from vertical and must be welded in. Side bar must pass the driver at a point midway between the shoulder and elbow. Unless an OEM framerail is located below and outside of driver's legs, a rocker or sill bar, minimum 1 5/8-inch x .083 CM or .118 MS or 2-inch x 2-inch x .058-inch CM or MS rectangular, is mandatory in any car with a modified floor or rocker box within the roll-cage uprights (excluding 6 square feet of transmission maintenance opening). Rocker bar must be installed below and outside of driver's legs and must tie into the main hoop, the forward hoop, frame, frame extension, or side diagonal. Rocker bar may not tie into swing-out side bar support. If rocker bar ties into side diagonal more than 5 inches (edge to edge) from forward roll-cage support or main hoop, a 1 5/8-inch x .083 CM or .118 MS brace/gusset is mandatory between the diagonal and forward roll-cage support or main hoop. |
Cool! Thanks again Scott; that's really in-depth, man. Yeah, I guess I'll have to fork over the ten bucks to get the book.
I don't plan on being a dragstrip junkie by any means, but I do plan on making a few passes and want it to be safe and legal. |
Anyone know what Scca or Silver state Regs on cages are?
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NASA requires at least 2"X.120" (at it's thinnest) so better go with at least 2"X.165" for the bends. You can go down to a 1.75"X.095 if you run cro-mo. Not worth it IMO. Silver state and SCCA are very similiar...way more stringent than NHRA or IHRA.
Of course hitting a guard rail at 120MPH is not really as bad as barrel rolling 6X at over 150MPH through the rocks and into a mountain side. Most of the SSCC wrecks I have seen you can't even tell what kind of car it might have been. |
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