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SuperB70 04-05-2011 12:48 PM

Can F1/WRC-rally driver do well in nascar?
 
Well, they have let the cat out of the bag:

Räikkönen drives in KB team in truck series...

More in Nascar.com

What do you think, can he be succeed in there?

CFster 04-05-2011 05:31 PM

Stock cars rely more on mechanical grip than aero grip, which along with being heavier and having relatively skinny tires makes them more of a handful to drive. Some guys who have come over from Indy or even F1 have failed for this reason. Heck even F1 champion Nigel Mansell said the same thing after he transferred from Williams F1 to Newmann Haas Indycar back in '93. And he said that about an indycar, which weighed 400lbs more than an F1 car at the time. He said an F1 car is so nimble if he screwed up a corner entry he could correct several times before the apex - an indycar was more sluggish and heavy, so you were pretty much committed when you turned the wheel. One can only imagine what a stock car would have felt like to him.

However, in Kimi's case I think he has an advantage for several reasons. He grew up on the ice, and has been racing Rally cars for the last few years. That's all about mechanical grip. Also, he hasn't been racing long enough in any particular series - so he's been able to adapt to new formulas. And bear in mind he only had about a dozen and a half races under his belt (in anything) before entering F1. When his heart was in it he was unmatched on track. Tons of natural talent.

Now for the bad. One reason Kimi left F1 was because he didn't like the media attention. He didn't like giving interviews period. Not a very outgoing guy. I don't imagine that will fly well with the NASCAR crowd, and may ultimately be his downfall. He's got more money than god, so I think if his team owner pulls him aside and tells him he has to do silly commercials or appear on any one what seems like a dozen NASCAR theme shows on a given weekend he'll just tell him to go screw and leave. Hell, he already walked away from F1.

rogue 04-06-2011 10:36 AM

nascar - wrestlin's form of racing

Rybar 04-06-2011 12:09 PM

Pretty sure Ferrari paid him out as he was still under contract for 2010. This to bring in Alonso. I think he was making around $40 million/year

Not sure why in the heck he would want to try Nascar Trucks, but the guy is still quite young to retire. maybe he saw what happened to Robert Kubica and decided he wanted out of Rally racing??

I don't follow Nascar, but how has crybaby Montoya done since he arrived?

onevoice 04-06-2011 12:47 PM

Montoya has done ok, he's won on a road course. The bottom line is that a good driver will be able to adapt. It will take a couple of years, and a good team, but the cream always rises to the top. The open wheel drivers that haven't made it in nascar haven't given it enough time. It is popular in some circles to trash talk nascar and it's drivers, but it takes a lot of skill and car development to rise to the top.

Not only have drivers cross pollinated the two series, designers have made the move also.

Quote:

Briton Mike Coughlan, the former McLaren Formula 1 Design Director, is now working in NASCAR as the director of vehicle design for Michael Waltrip Racing
“NASCAR - for good or for bad - is becoming a more engineering-led sport. As an engineer you believe it’s the right choice.”

As a design engineer, he doesn’t have to attend races, but, has been to a few already. “I’ve been to Bristol; every motor racing fan should to go Bristol.” He also attended the night race in Charlotte.

Even though the NASCAR Sprint Cup cars are very, very, similar one to the other, Coughlan says that finding speed in NASCAR takes “twice” as many steps as in Formula 1 due to their design.
Nascar is old tech, but it sure as hell isn't low tech.

SuperB70 04-06-2011 01:02 PM

Actually Kimi has been driven on tarmac almost all his life, started racing with go-carts in age of 5 or 6.

He was bought out from Ferrari. I guess he lost his drive in F1 after the victory.

And he is not a quiet guy when his "off" work. He has done those ridiculous commercials too. And in many tabloids has told about hes partys and other advendures, like any other star.

You have to understand that we are Finns, like my friend always says: -"We are from Finland, we are not retarded but we do abuse english":lol:
We are quiet and shy. But give us something stronger than water,and we talk all night long. Have to give us more to get us to shot up.:willy:

In here we all learn how to drive fast on snow and ice, because the long winter and we all learn our way around mechanical instruments, such as cars, tractors, trucks and motorcycles. Maeby thats why we are so good in motorsports. Think, there is only around 5 million of us Finns.

If you compare WRC-success between Mr.Block and Mr.Räikkönen, it is peculiar situation, if one had to guess, easily expect it to be other way around.

Like the Ford WRC-team leader M.Wilson say'd couple years ago: -" If you wanna win, hire a Fin." He did hire two.

,Juhani

CFster 04-06-2011 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratman67 (Post 342062)
now try going from nascar to f1...not gonna happen....lol micheal andretti went from cart to f1 and never scored a point, had his azz bounced off the starting grid the first couple of races...the lateral g's are more than most people can handle:hail:

Andretti scored points in three races for a total of 7 in his only season in F1, and finished 3rd at his last GP in Italy. He had seven retirements that season, and his teammate, a fellow by the name of Ayrton Senna had four.

The reason Andretti sucked was because he was thrown into the car with absolutely no testing. He also chose to "commute" back and forth to Europe for the race weekends - a definite mistake on his part. He really needed to immerse himself in the team more.

onevoice 04-06-2011 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratman67 (Post 342062)
now try going from nascar to f1...not gonna happen....lol micheal andretti went from cart to f1 and never scored a point, had his azz bounced off the starting grid the first couple of races...the lateral g's are more than most people can handle:hail:

There were a lot of reason Michael Andretti wasn't successful at F1, but none of them was because:
Quote:

the lateral g's are more than most people can handle:hail:
That is just ignorant. F1 isn't the be all end all of drivers or knowledge. If you want to know the real reasons, see this

http://www.f1rejects.com/centrale/andretti/index.html

XcYZ 04-07-2011 05:24 AM

Räikkönen is paying Kyle Busch Motorsports $100,000 per race to 'rent' his ride. That's going to add up fast.

Quote:

Raikkonen's plan is to "pay for some truck races to raise interest and get a sponsorship budget for Nationwide and possibly the (premier) Sprint Cup". His contract with Busch is reportedly for three to five races.


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