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fleetus macmullitz 05-04-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 548898)
ROFL Skip!!! You nailed it again. That was us for the last 6 hours.

Just stayin in my very narrow lane Vince. :D

Glad it could bring some comic relief. :thumbsup:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-04-2014 10:15 AM

It's no problem skip, I have great sense of humor and I tend to come off harsh but it's all the Monte Python and three stooges growing up. And they say TV rots your brain... I laugh and say "what brain?!?!"

Vince@Meanstreets 05-04-2014 08:04 PM

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so back to the Orange, we poked around and looked over the various oil gally plugs they have run and failed in the past and I was able to determine it was an AN o-ring fiting and not a thought to be NPT.

I happen to have a -4 union but no plug, so I chopped one side off and welded the hole shut. rolled on an o-ring and installed it. Good fit. Tried it and it held up. So its off to Thunderhill.

intocarss 05-04-2014 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 548955)
so back to the Orange, we poked around and looked over the various oil gally plugs they have run and failed in the past and I was able to determine it was an AN o-ring fiting and not a thought to be NPT.

I happen to have a -4 union but no plug, so I chopped one side off and welded the hole shut. rolled on an o-ring and installed it. Good fit. Tried it and it held up. So its off to Thunderhill.

So how'd he do at TH??

HERE'S TO YOU VINNY

Vince@Meanstreets 05-05-2014 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 548975)
So how'd he do at TH??

HERE'S TO YOU VINNY

thanks, oh the classics...
I don't think he got any track time due to what time he got up there but knowing him it didn't stay in the trailer... I guess he did great for a parade car.
No details yet. If he is feeling anything like I do he is asleep under his supervisor desk.

Here are a few pictures of the cell box and mounting cage.

Ron Sutton 05-05-2014 08:16 AM

Nice fuel cell cage. :)

Vince@Meanstreets 05-05-2014 08:19 AM

Thanks Ron,

He will be going in for a cage revision soon and we'll get some down bars to tie into.

BTW, I wish I had gone with 38" canister hoses.

Flash68 05-05-2014 01:02 PM

Car looked really good Vince.... your customer, however, did not.

:action-smiley-027:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-05-2014 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 549057)
Car looked really good Vince.... your customer, however, did not.

:action-smiley-027:

lol...he was tore up. no one got pictures?

1transam 05-05-2014 01:23 PM

Nice, that thing came out killer................... VINCE GET SOME SLEEP lol!!!!!!!

ANOTHER ONE GONE........ :computer:

Flash68 05-05-2014 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 549060)
lol...he was tore up. no one got pictures?

I took this one but my finger got in the way

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...pskqmkdnzx.jpg

fleetus macmullitz 05-05-2014 02:54 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^

A moderate response..

:sarcasm_smiley:


lol

Vince@Meanstreets 05-05-2014 04:32 PM

Haaaaa haaaaaa one 69. Can't believe your finger covered his entire head.

Vince@Meanstreets 05-05-2014 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 1transam (Post 549061)
Nice, that thing came out killer................... VINCE GET SOME SLEEP lol!!!!!!!

ANOTHER ONE GONE........ :computer:

You got it man! 2 more gone by this Thursday.

Track Junky 05-05-2014 06:24 PM

First off need to say thanks to Vince and Allen for putting in the long haul Saturday and Sunday to get the car done. We started at about 10:00 a.m. Saturday morning and I think we finished around the same time Sunday morning. Worked straight through with no sleep. Yup, we worked 24 hours plus......LOL. It was something else to say the least. I'll post some pics in a bit.

Vegas69 05-05-2014 06:28 PM

Please tell me you smoked the runt.

Vince@Meanstreets 05-05-2014 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 549110)
First off need to say thanks to Vince and Allen for putting in the long haul Saturday and Sunday to get the car done. We started at about 10:00 a.m. Saturday morning and I think we finished around the same time Sunday morning. Worked straight through with no sleep. Yup, we worked 24 hours plus......LOL. It was something else to say the least. I'll post some pics in a bit.

theres nothing like taking a break from some hard work and watching the sunrise. Thats the first time we ever did a marathon with a customer...never again. LOL

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 549112)
Please tell me you smoked the runt.


Track Junky 05-05-2014 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 549062)
I took this one but my finger got in the way

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...pskqmkdnzx.jpg

LOL.....fricken Dave :lol:

Track Junky 05-05-2014 07:22 PM

Heres a shot of the Woodward steering column, OMP steering wheel, and gauge/switch panel. Dash is only partially done at this time and we'll finish it some time later this year.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/a...-4-2014474.jpg

Hers a shot of the cockpit adjusters for the ARS 3000 series shocks.


http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/a...-4-2014473.jpg

67zo6Camaro 05-05-2014 08:16 PM

That's cool having real time adjustment to the shocks. I'm wondering what you think of those. I'm guessing it will make it easy to do a lap at one setting then another lap at a different setting.... getting some direct feedback which setting was better feeling and/or faster. I likie.

rustomatic 05-07-2014 10:46 PM

I know a good road for testing out those shock adjustments . . . maybe not...

Track Junky 05-08-2014 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 549136)
That's cool having real time adjustment to the shocks. I'm wondering what you think of those. I'm guessing it will make it easy to do a lap at one setting then another lap at a different setting.... getting some direct feedback which setting was better feeling and/or faster. I likie.

Yeah, its going to be interesting Bret. I'm always making adjustments at the track so hopefully this will save me from having to have to pull the floor jack out after every sesion.

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Originally Posted by rustomatic (Post 549497)
I know a good road for testing out those shock adjustments . . . maybe not...

I think we have quite a few around us that would be more than helpful but we all know thats a no no.

Flash68 05-08-2014 10:02 AM

It was nice to finally see this mythical creature to verify its existence.... it can look like a PT car from 20 feet with the nailed stance and pretty Forgeline rims, but it's all bidness when you get up close. Go get some. :guns:

Ron Sutton 05-08-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 549136)
That's cool having real time adjustment to the shocks. I'm wondering what you think of those. I'm guessing it will make it easy to do a lap at one setting then another lap at a different setting.... getting some direct feedback which setting was better feeling and/or faster. I likie.


Hey Bret,

Gaetano & I were looking at typical shock brands, but he had a need for lots of travel (7"+) in a short shock package ... along with race valving, more rear tire grip & adjustability. So I had these built custom by a race shock company I have used for years, with my secret sauce digressive valving curve. They are not cheap, but they are bad ass, awesome race shocks. (Not for street, as they need to be rebuilt more often.) They utilize super low gas pressure for increased tire grip which is what G needed.

The double adjustability ... with remote cables
... it great for a track car. It makes your track time more productive. When G runs a couple laps & sees the car needs more entry grip, he can dial in some more rebound on a straight and feel the change the next lap. That will grip up the exits too. The time saver is you don't have to wait until your sessions is over ... go to the pits & tune ... and wait until the next session to see how it worked. the results show in the next corner. If G wants to free up the middle of the corners, he can stiffen the compression a few clicks. If he wants to grip up the corners, he can soften the compression. He can tell how it performs in the next corner.

Note: If you adjust rear shock rebound too stiff ... the car will loosen up again on corner entry, as the heavy car will simply "pull" the too stiff shocks & rear end with it & unload the rear tires. Like most things ... it's about finding the balance.

For just rear shocks, it's a pretty tunable package. If we added similar fronts (with correct front valving) dialing in the total handling is a snap. A lot of guys see the knobs and think it's confusing. But you don't have to turn them. They're clearly marked & once you get used to which direction does what ... it's pretty cool.


:cheers:


Ron Sutton 05-08-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 549559)
It was nice to finally see this mythical creature to verify its existence.... it can look like a PT car from 20 feet with the nailed stance and pretty Forgeline rims, but it's all bidness when you get up close. Go get some. :guns:


Love it ... Cheeseball. :cheers:


rustomatic 05-08-2014 10:30 PM

Gee Ron, you make it sound so easy. My front Konis take about 30 minutes, what with all the bolts I've got to undo; fortunately, thanks to my recent "track prep," I'm now out of adjustment, so no more tears...

The rears are a bit easier, and are great for one-arm bench pressing practice. I need to learn to more consistently not brake with my downshifts to understand the true value of the damping in my rear shocks...

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 549567)

Hey Bret,

Gaetano & I were looking at typical shock brands, but he had a need for lots of travel (7"+) in a short shock package ... along with race valving, more rear tire grip & adjustability. So I had these built custom by a race shock company I have used for years, with my secret sauce digressive valving curve. They are not cheap, but they are bad ass, awesome race shocks. (Not for street, as they need to be rebuilt more often.) They utilize super low gas pressure for increased tire grip which is what G needed.

The double adjustability ... with remote cables
... it great for a track car. It makes your track time more productive. When G runs a couple laps & sees the car needs more entry grip, he can dial in some more rebound on a straight and feel the change the next lap. That will grip up the exits too. The time saver is you don't have to wait until your sessions is over ... go to the pits & tune ... and wait until the next session to see how it worked. the results show in the next corner. If G wants to free up the middle of the corners, he can stiffen the compression a few clicks. If he wants to grip up the corners, he can soften the compression. He can tell how it performs in the next corner.

Note: If you adjust rear shock rebound too stiff ... the car will loosen up again on corner entry, as the heavy car will simply "pull" the too stiff shocks & rear end with it & unload the rear tires. Like most things ... it's about finding the balance.

For just rear shocks, it's a pretty tunable package. If we added similar fronts (with correct front valving) dialing in the total handling is a snap. A lot of guys see the knobs and think it's confusing. But you don't have to turn them. They're clearly marked & once you get used to which direction does what ... it's pretty cool.


:cheers:



Vince@Meanstreets 05-08-2014 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rustomatic (Post 549710)
Gee Ron, you make it sound so easy. My front Konis take about 30 minutes, what with all the bolts I've got to undo; fortunately, thanks to my recent "track prep," I'm now out of adjustment, so no more tears...

The rears are a bit easier, and are great for one-arm bench pressing practice. I need to learn to more consistently not brake with my downshifts to understand the true value of the damping in my rear shocks...

it really isnt so bad but when your in 130 degree weather, 175 degree ground and 300 degree exhaust, it can be a bit challenging. Anything to make changes easy is good by me.

Track Junky 05-09-2014 07:21 AM

Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial :unibrow:

GregWeld 05-09-2014 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 549751)
Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial :unibrow:




Thank goodness for caller ID.......

Vince@Meanstreets 05-09-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 549751)
Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 549752)
Thank goodness for caller ID.......

don't forget to make the beep noise at the end if you do accidentally pick up.

Ron Sutton 05-09-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 549751)
Thanks again for helping me out Ron. Looking to run either June 13th at T-Hill or June 14th at Sonoma. Fair warning....your on speed dial :unibrow:


Awesome. Please do text or call me after your runs so we can talk. Because it could be dangerous if you called me during your runs. :poke:

Seriously, I understand this valving, so I can save you some time getting them dialed in and you can move on to the next thing to focus on.


Track Junky 05-09-2014 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 549820)

Awesome. Please do text or call me after your runs so we can talk. Because it could be dangerous if you called me during your runs. :poke:

Seriously, I understand this valving, so I can save you some time getting them dialed in and you can move on to the next thing to focus on.


Fair warning Ron. Couldn't wait till June. Registered for NASA Time Trials at T-Hill for May 24th. :hello:

GregWeld 05-09-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 549914)
Fair warning Ron. Couldn't wait till June. Registered for NASA Time Trials at T-Hill for May 24th. :hello:




TRACK ADDICT!!!!



LOL

Track Junky 05-09-2014 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 549916)
TRACK ADDICT!!!!



LOL

Yeah Right!! Look who's talking!! LMAO

Vince@Meanstreets 05-10-2014 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 549917)
Yeah Right!! Look who's talking!! LMAO

Make sure you check torque on your wheels please. I ordered the correct plug for the side, its here....is it still good to go?

Don't wait for the track, you can get a base shock setting driving around town.

Track Junky 05-11-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 549932)
Make sure you check torque on your wheels please. I ordered the correct plug for the side, its here....is it still good to go?

Don't wait for the track, you can get a base shock setting driving around town.

Wheels torqued. Your magic oil plug has seemed to do the trick so we're good there.
Car felt a bit bouncy so Ron Sutton adjusted them at T-Hill. Drove the car around town a bit and they feel they are at a decent base setting now.

GregWeld 05-11-2014 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 550169)
Wheels torqued. Your magic oil plug has seemed to do the trick so we're good there.
Car felt a bit bouncy so Ron Sutton adjusted them at T-Hill. Drove the car around town a bit and they feel they are at a decent base setting now.




Is that so you can claim it's a "street car"?? LOLOLOLOLOL

Track Junky 05-11-2014 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 550187)
Is that so you can claim it's a "street car"?? LOLOLOLOLOL

Boy, your on a roll today.........:lol:

Flash68 05-11-2014 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Track Junky (Post 550169)
Wheels torqued. Your magic oil plug has seemed to do the trick so we're good there.
Car felt a bit bouncy so Ron Sutton adjusted them at T-Hill. Drove the car around town a bit and they feel they are at a decent base setting now.

I thoroughly enjoyed when you asked Ron if he wanted to ride with you around the Thunderhill paddock to test your new shocks and settings... his answer being "absolutely not" with a dead serious look on his face. :lol:

Vince@Meanstreets 05-20-2014 11:48 PM

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I thoroughly enjoyed when you asked Ron if he wanted to ride with you around the Thunderhill paddock to test your new shocks and settings... his answer being "absolutely not" with a dead serious look on his face. :lol:

he would have loved hangin with us today setting his brake prop valve.


Finally got him to go with a manual master....after 3 years of bitching a faulty power booster pushed him over the edge.

We usually run 15/16 bore with the Baer Track Claw but I opted for a 7/8" for a easy pedal. Feels great.

New shoes too.


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