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CamaroAJ 03-24-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Goosesdad (Post 701778)
Looks awesome AJ!!!

Thank you. It looks way better in person now then it did. I have a ton of work I can do now. Looking forward to trying to make the front tubs like you did yours. might be tricky not being able to flip the car over though.

waynieZ 03-24-2020 12:42 PM

That looks NASTY!

Goosesdad 03-24-2020 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroAJ (Post 701786)
Thank you. It looks way better in person now then it did. I have a ton of work I can do now. Looking forward to trying to make the front tubs like you did yours. might be tricky not being able to flip the car over though.

Hmmm... for sure that would be a challenge. Maybe prepreg carbon, vacuum bag it?

CamaroAJ 03-24-2020 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosesdad (Post 701793)
Hmmm... for sure that would be a challenge. Maybe prepreg carbon, vacuum bag it?

What I'm thinking is to make it in small sections and join them all together in the car so I don't have to fight gravity. It might be a little more time consuming though. My other option is expandable foam some how. Possibly foam blocks and get a rough shape then take it out and finish shaping it.

jmac 03-24-2020 03:12 PM

Looks awesome. The front fenders look stock compared to your rear quarter flares!

CamaroAJ 03-25-2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jmac (Post 701796)
Looks awesome. The front fenders look stock compared to your rear quarter flares!

Very much so. I think when I widen the door and the fender it will bring everything back and make it harder to tell what was changed.

CamaroAJ 03-30-2020 03:08 PM

Saturday my racks were tied up so I used it more as an engineering kinda day to lay out some ideas and placement of things. With the fenders now lined up I double checked the alignment so I know my wheels are in the right place to be able to cut the fenders.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/align.md.jpg

With that out of the way I built some mock up sized heat exchangers to see if they would fit where I want to put them. I'll have one 11x17 exchanger on each side of the car that will be ducked in the front and exhaust through the wheel wells. I also found a place to mount my front Infinity Box power cell.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/heatex.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/heatex1.md.jpg

I then moved into the dash to locate a spot for the Infinity Box inMotion cell that controls the windows and door latches. As I'm not using an air bag in the car it just so happen that the C6 dash passenger air bag bracket was a perfect spot for the module and I can access it by opening the glove box door all the way.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/bracket.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/bracket1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/bracket2.md.jpg

With that stuff handled I started to lay out some different hood vent options. This is two of the options. So far the 3 vent is the one I'm leaning towards and I have one more option using a 5th gen Camaro Vent (not pictured). Both 3 vent options will have the center rib removed from the front valance, hood, and wiper cowl. Kris Horton is working on updating my renders with the options so I can make a for sure decision.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/hood.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/hood1.md.jpg

Spiffav8 03-30-2020 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroAJ (Post 701986)

With that stuff handled I started to lay out some different hood vent options. This is two of the options. So far the 3 vent is the one I'm leaning towards and I have one more option using a 5th gen Camaro Vent (not pictured). Both 3 vent options will have the center rib removed from the front valance, hood, and wiper cowl. Kris Horton is working on updating my renders with the options so I can make a for sure decision.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/03/30/hood.md.jpg

I really dig this idea but from this angle it looks like the vents on the sides are forward of the center. If that's the case, it doesn't flow visually. Just my humble oppinion, which is worth nothing.

:peepwall:

CamaroAJ 03-30-2020 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 701988)
I really dig this idea but from this angle it looks like the vents on the sides are forward of the center. If that's the case, it doesn't flow visually. Just my humble oppinion, which is worth nothing.

:peepwall:

They are forward of the center vent. I already have holes cut for the anvil vents that I might not use and would need to cover with the new vents. The center vent is just behind the curve in the cowl on a flat spot.

WSSix 03-30-2020 07:13 PM

Definitely the first option of those two options. It might help if the two rectangle vents weren't rectangle. Could you round the corners, or a corner? I'm just thinking it might look better if they complimented the center section better.

CamaroAJ 03-30-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 701997)
Definitely the first option of those two options. It might help if the two rectangle vents weren't rectangle. Could you round the corners, or a corner? I'm just thinking it might look better if they complimented the center section better.

Track spec Motorsports are the vents I’ve been looking at. The side vents are their first gen Camaro t1 vents and the center vent is their C3 vette vent.

WSSix 03-31-2020 05:46 PM

To me, the side vents are good without the center vent. Once you put the center in, the curves throw off the side. The C5/C6 T1 vents look good together. Something like the BMW E90/92 side vents are what I was trying to describe earlier.

F'in mine 03-31-2020 07:07 PM

I kinda have to agree with Trey, the two sides look good as is. Seems a bit out of proportion & a lot going on on top of the whole hood. I'm sure its functional for removing heat build up though.

How about this center one if its on your must have list?
https://www.yatesperformance.com/cc0220.html

I by no means am an expert merely suggestions, keep up with the progress as I look forward to your updates.

CamaroAJ 03-31-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by F'in mine (Post 702026)
I kinda have to agree with Trey, the two sides look good as is. Seems a bit out of proportion & a lot going on on top of the whole hood. I'm sure its functional for removing heat build up though.

How about this center one if its on your must have list?
https://www.yatesperformance.com/cc0220.html

I by no means am an expert merely suggestions, keep up with the progress as I look forward to your updates.

That one is being rendered up already. Kris Horton is working up a few options for me so I can see it before ordering anything.

CamaroAJ 04-06-2020 03:34 PM

Saturday got off to a late start because of rain and having to move cars around at work. So I did't get to what I wanted to do. Instead I got the fuel tank mounts trimmed to fit, then hammer and dollied the dents and scrapes out of them.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/tanks.md.jpg

I've decided to start doing some wiring where I can by getting the pig tails built. So far I have half of the transmission connectors and some of the engine sensors done.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/wire.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/wire1.md.jpg

I also got the Vapor Worx controllers mounted for my fuel system behind the driver seat.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/fuel1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/fuel.md.jpg

I finished up the day doing a finial marking for trim on the core support.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/core.md.jpg

And laying out a 5th gen Camaro hood vent with the Anvil vents.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/hood.md.jpg

And because everything is lined up and this was a good angle of the car.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/06/back.md.jpg

WSSix 04-06-2020 07:50 PM

Looks mean!

Beechy 04-06-2020 09:03 PM


SUPER professional build going on here AJ. So lucky to have support from your shop management.

I'm nitpicking here, but the Gurney needs a negative curve on the lower edge, and some crown on the top edge.
Check out a factory equivalent part.

Auto design 101...Page 1..... never a straight line nor flat surface on an auto body. They make either themselves or surrounding surfaces look hollow.

:patriot:

CamaroAJ 04-07-2020 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Beechy (Post 702255)
SUPER professional build going on here AJ. So lucky to have support from your shop management.

I'm nitpicking here, but the Gurney needs a negative curve on the lower edge, and some crown on the top edge.
Check out a factory equivalent part.

Thank you.

From what I'm reading about the flap is its supposed to me 90* to the pressure side. If you're thinking about the ones on the Vette's I think they have a lot of design styling in them. The 5th gen Z28 was a flat piece of aluminum added to the spoiler.

Goosesdad 04-07-2020 07:53 AM

Late start....and you got all that done....and it looks bitchen!!??!!

CamaroAJ 04-20-2020 02:57 PM

Started back on the outer wheel tubs so I can get that finished up and ready for epoxy so I can get the floors welded in and the quarters closer to being ready to weld back on. The small stuff takes the longest to fab up and get fit right. Hoping to get the driver tub finished up next weekend. The passenger side is already close to being done so not as much work to get that side finished up.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/20/tub.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/20/tub1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/20/tub2.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/20/tub3.md.jpg

CamaroAJ 04-28-2020 02:48 PM

Saturday I got back on the driver quarter and outer tub. To get the rear part done first I needed to address the quarter that didn't line up right because of the wide body mod. I had to pie cut the quarter to fix the gap.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/quarter.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/quarter2.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/quarter1.md.jpg

With the out of the way I was able to finish up the outer tub.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/tub.md.jpg

Since thats the main part I had planned for the day I was able to also check fitment of the supercharger tank that I've been tinkering with. The fitment was good so I'll get the back welded up and get the fittings welded in and check one more item off the list.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/tank.md.jpg

I also picked up a 5th gen hood vent to see how it will fit. I like the more forward option and it will clean the supercharger this way as well.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/vent.md.jpg

The rest of the afternoon I played with ideas for exhaust layout. I decided to run a Borla muffler even though its only 2.5" and I'm running 3" all the way back. The plan is for it to be quiet when normal driving and not drive me nuts with drone. Its an X style muffler and I'll run the exhaust in from each end and out the opposite side in a cross flow setup. I'm not to worried about it messing with the flow of thing as I'll also have vacuum actuated bypass valves. Since I went with this setup and with the trans cooler in the back it made me have to change from exhaust center under the tail lights to a center exhaust. It will still blend very well into the rear defuser.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/muffler.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/04/28/exhaust.md.jpg

rustomatic 04-29-2020 09:20 AM

That one wheel tub with the dimpled bracket has nicer bodywork in it than my entire car.

CamaroAJ 04-29-2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rustomatic (Post 703054)
That one wheel tub with the dimpled bracket has nicer bodywork in it than my entire car.

Beat to fit, paint to match lol

zz430droptop67rs 04-29-2020 11:40 AM

Fantastic work so far and such a *major* undertaking.

I was wondering if you are worried about rolling the car around without the rear stub axles installed. I have seen the hub/bearing fall apart on other vehicles because of the lack of support the stub axles provide, even just rolling through the shop.

Keep up the great work, I have been following since the beginning.

CamaroAJ 04-29-2020 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by zz430droptop67rs (Post 703058)
Fantastic work so far and such a *major* undertaking.

I was wondering if you are worried about rolling the car around without the rear stub axles installed. I have seen the hub/bearing fall apart on other vehicles because of the lack of support the stub axles provide, even just rolling through the shop.

Keep up the great work, I have been following since the beginning.

Thank you.

I was concerned at first and I took the half shafts apart so I could put the stubs in, but I rolled it to see if they would loosen up (because I have also seen them come apart) and they aren't even loose. Its been 3 years like this so I'm thinking I'm good to go. I have another set of lower mile bearings that I plan on using when the car gets finial assembled so I can toss these in the scrap pile then.

CamaroAJ 05-04-2020 02:49 PM

Saturday I decided it was time to tackle the front fenders to get started on making them wider to clear the wheels. In order for that to happen I needed to get the lower fenders mounted. I decided to extent the outer rocker and start the flair with that. I bought a repop outer rocker to save myself some time making the bends hoping it would line up easier. To get started with everything I marked the fender and made my first cut into very expensive fenders.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/fender.md.jpg

As you can tell from the picture below the repop rocker wasn't even close to the same size, bend angles, or dimensions as a stock rocker.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/rocker.md.jpg

With the top part of the rocker the only thing remotely close to right I took the rocker sections and rolled them with a very flat wheel in the english wheel.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/rocker1.md.jpg

After bending the correct dimensions into the rocker I ran it through the stretcher and again through the english wheel to give it a little curve by the door area and it was enough to flow with the body and gain me 1.5" of flair. And yes, I know the body line doesn't line up. I have some more trimming to do on the bottom of the fender, but its easier to remove then it is to add.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/fender1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/fender2.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/fender3.md.jpg

With the passenger side tacked mostly welded in I moved onto the driver side.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/driver.md.jpg

With the new extensions mostly welded in I went back to the passenger side to start finishing it out. I started with the end cap so I could tie into the frame rail and make sure nothing moved. I left the top and bottom open as I need to install Rivnuts to mount the wheel well liner when I get that made and I need to weld in tubed so I can run bolts up into the fender. The back side of the fender will have aluminum L channel bonded to it on the back side.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/cap.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/cap1.md.jpg

I also checked fitment of the trans tunnel plate as well. I made it 3.5" longer because of the wheel base change and cut it out of 1/8" aluminum. This is more than likely going to be made out of carbon fiber as well.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/plate.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/04/plate1.md.jpg

Goosesdad 05-04-2020 06:33 PM

Excellent!!!

WSSix 05-04-2020 06:51 PM

x2 This is excellent work. I couldn't cut up those fenders. I'd be scared, lol.

CamaroAJ 05-05-2020 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 703171)
x2 This is excellent work. I couldn't cut up those fenders. I'd be scared, lol.

I have a really cool hot glue gun if things went wrong lol

Goosesdad 05-05-2020 10:30 AM

Hi AJ. Wonder your thoughts. After getting my extended rockers and the inners completed... I sort of regret that capped the rocker in front of the tire such that the tire would kick debris towards metal that will be body color. I did think about this while I was building it but didn't worry about it because I had intended on clear wrapping the entire bottom of my car...that was until the PPG guy advised not to do that as it could cause the paint to fail (and the skim coat of filler), since it wouldn't be heat cured.

CamaroAJ 05-05-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Goosesdad (Post 703189)
Hi AJ. Wonder your thoughts. After getting my extended rockers and the inners completed... I sort of regret that capped the rocker in front of the tire such that the tire would kick debris towards metal that will be body color. I did think about this while I was building it but didn't worry about it because I had intended on clear wrapping the entire bottom of my car...that was until the PPG guy advised not to do that as it could cause the paint to fail (and the skim coat of filler), since it wouldn't be heat cured.

I plan on making my fender liners cover the ends. I'm also making side skirts so that will keep the paint damage down some too. I don't understand how a clear sticker will cause the paint to fail. GM has them on the trucks from the factory and tons of people put clear bras on their cars all the time with no problem. Maybe let the paint cure first, kinda like how you're not supposed to wax within the first 30 days.

CamaroAJ 05-11-2020 09:34 AM

Saturday I got the driver rocker capped off. I'm still waiting on some parts I ordered to finish things off before I can finish boxing in the extensions.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/rocker.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/rocker1.md.jpg

So with the stand still on the fenders I moved to the hood. I got everything measured out and then cut a big hole in the carbon fiber to start mounting the hood vent.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/hood.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/hood1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/hood2.md.jpg

With that out of the way I decided to finish up the metal work on the roof. Some hammer and dolly work to get things banged into place then the shrinking disk to finish things off. I'm going to have my body guy check it out and if its acceptable then I'll weld the inner structure and roof supports back in.
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/roof.md.jpg

With time to kill still I got the front and back of the spoiler marked to follow the stock spoiler curve and ready to cut out. My band saw blade broke so I'm gonna try and get a new one today.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/spoiler.md.jpg

With the little time I had left I started messing with the hood latch. I didn't buy the cheap knock off one that everyone is selling. I found a clean original Porsche latch on ebay pretty cheap.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/latch.md.jpg

Then out in the sun loading up. The rocker being black is hard to get pictures of inside.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/11/rocker2.md.jpg

214Chevy 05-11-2020 12:39 PM

Good progress...

CamaroAJ 05-18-2020 02:42 PM

Saturday I wasn't planning on working on the car as I was supposed to work. Another guy asked me to swap weekends with him so I wasn't really prepared to get anything done on the car. I did have the wicker bill trimmed up and filed to shape and got that installed. Now it follows the body lines.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/wicker1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/wicker.md.jpg

Then I moved onto the hood latch. I forgot to cut the adapter plate out so I couldn't finish it up.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/latch.md.jpg

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/latch1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/latch2.md.jpg[/url]
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/latch3.md.jpg

After that I got started on mounting the HVAC module. I got two of the 3 or 4 mounts done. Some dimple die work and bead rolling to keep it strong and lose some weight.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/hvac1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/hvac.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/hvac3.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/hvac4.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/05/18/hvac2.md.jpg

Goosesdad 05-19-2020 10:06 AM

Nice!!

CamaroAJ 06-02-2020 03:11 PM

Saturday I got after it. I had the hood latch bracket cut out and hand filed to match the shape of the hood which has an offset design. Then I got it all lined up and the bracket bolted up. I needed to slightly modify the lower bracket to accept the hood cable, but it all works like it should now.


https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/latch.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/latch2.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/latch1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/latch3.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/latch4.jpg

Hood latch out of the way I got the dash removed and finished up mounting the HVAC module.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/hvac.md.jpg

Then I got the inner roof structure welded back in.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/roof.md.jpg

I finished things up by getting the trunk latch support bracket modified to fit the new floor. I wasn't planning on getting this much done, so I kinda ran out of things to do for the day with the parts that I brought with me to work.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/02/trunk.md.jpg

waynieZ 06-03-2020 10:24 PM

Very Nice! They look good.

CamaroAJ 06-08-2020 03:32 PM

Saturday I got after the lower fender mounts on the passenger side. I decided to use aluminum angle that will be panel bonded to the carbon fiber fenders. The rockers I drilled large holes so I could feed tubing through with thick washers welded on the end. this let me run allen headed bolts up from the bottom. After I got the passenger side done I started on the upper close out panel. It will be finished welded in and metal worked when I take the fenders off next. I'll try and get more pictures of how I did it on the driver side. I thought I took more then I did.

https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/fender.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/fender1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/fender3.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/fender4.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/rocker.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/rocker1.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/rocker2.md.jpg
https://i.hmjimg.com/images/2020/06/08/filler.md.jpg

F'in mine 06-10-2020 06:49 PM

In for my weekly visit to witness you're metal mastery AJ. Man that hood latch looks great, maybe you need to mass produce it and some other of your fine components to help pay for that build of yours. Now back to our regularly scheduled program!

CamaroAJ 06-11-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by F'in mine (Post 704212)
In for my weekly visit to witness you're metal mastery AJ. Man that hood latch looks great, maybe you need to mass produce it and some other of your fine components to help pay for that build of yours. Now back to our regularly scheduled program!

Thank you. There is a company that produces and sells a kit (where I got the idea from), but it’s $450 plus $30 shipping and they use the cheap $20 hood latch. I am thinking about making the wicker bill in carbon and making a few of them to sell a some carbon tail lamp housings I’ve been working on.


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