Tilton c/c Clutch Question

[tyoneal]

To all:

I'm wondering what you think this clutch set up is worth. Any comments would be welcome.

I'm trying to assemble parts for a new drivetrain. (LS2/LS7, T-56/Tremec 500/600 and 9 inch rear) I saw this and although it wouldn't be used till next year, if it was priced right, it might be worth picking up. (1969 Camaro, 550 RWHP)

What price range would constitute a good price? Is this the best clutch for the job?

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

Tilton 5.5 inch Carbon clutch, Bell housing, Starter, Throwout bearing, and lines was used in our ASA Tour car with the LS1 motor package. It is in exellent shape and it comes with extra shims. It is a 3 disk clutch with extra shims and a low ground clearance bell housing with a reverse mount starter. The throw out bearing assembly is mounted inside the bell housing. The fly wheel teeth are in perfect condition and it fits the Chevy LS1. This package retails for well over 5000!

[chicane]

Small diameter 3 disk'ers are more like an on/off switch... more than anything else. They use a solid marcel carrier and do not like to be slipped... at all. Dont get me wrong... that is a bitchen package. But it will take some finesse' to drive it on the street... and lets hope you NEVER see traffic.

The LGC packages are pretty cool... as they free up a lot anchors from road irregularties. But remember, you just can go to the local auto parts store and pick up a starter... and you will also have to create the TO mount. Not to mention that you will have to adapt the T56 to the LGC bellhousing.

I'd say $1500-2000 depending on condition.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Small diameter 3 disk'ers are more like an on/off switch... more than anything else.

Couldn't be farther than the truth. I had a Tilton Carbon in my Supra making 1000hp, and it was a DREAM to drive on the street. You can idle away from a stop and slip it anytime you want. And the best part is the Carbon loves heat so the more you slip the better it grips.

Ty I highly recommend the setup. You'll love it and will hate driving single disk clutches ever again...:lol:

[chicane]

Well there is a HUGE difference between a 4500lb Supra... and a 2800-3000lb Nova that doesnt sit on its face until you get past the lag. :lol:

I am also pretty damn sure that you were not running a 5.5" triple either. You have to compare apples to apples... not merely composition of materials.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Well there is a HUGE difference between a 4500lb Supra... and a 2800-3000lb Nova that doesnt sit on its face until you get past the lag. :lol:

I am also pretty damn sure that you were not running a 5.5" triple either. You have to compare apples to apples... not merely composition of materials.

My car weighed 3480lbs, and was running a 7.25" disk Tilton.
That's the best thing about the Carbon Tilton there is no such thing as lag or waiting for power. I could cruise in 4th gear at 30mph plant the gas and push in the clutch until it started slipping and WHAM! The car would go just like it had an auto in it.

[slownova]

i can attest to that.

[chicane]

Your right... carbon has nothing to do with lag... but a huge squirrel making 1000hp does.

3840 huh ?? What was it... a rolling shell ??

There is still a whole lot more to a 5.5" triple in contrast to a simple 7.25". Let me ask you this... have you driven an ASA Tour car... or everdriven a 5.5" triple before ??

Its not the same as your ole street clutch...

[tyoneal]

To All:

Thanks for the information so far. Given the information I mentioned about the car:

"I'm trying to assemble parts for a new drivetrain. (LS2/LS7, T-56/Tremec 500/600 and 9 inch rear) I saw this and although it wouldn't be used till next year, if it was priced right, it might be worth picking up. (1969 Camaro, 550 RWHP)"

What set up would you recommend?

Tilton 7.25 c/c Triple with the Tilton Flywheel and the Bell housing that gives the extra ground clearance?

Thanks again for all your remarks.

Those of you who have experience with the Tilton c/c clutch, please let me know what you think of them. If you didn't like them, why?

What other clutches do you really like?

Thanks,

Ty

[deuce_454]

ive driven an 800 hp 67 mustang (elanore clone) with a tilton C/C clutch and it was soft easy to feather and much like the pedal in a honda... a world from my old 66 imp with a centerforce that killed my knee... i can only recomend the C/C clutch.. id have one if it wasnt for the price (3500 bucks is one expensive clutch!!) but it is what corvette uses to win at le mans, so it cant be all that wrong..

if your money tree is altttle shorter id recomend mcleod street twin, also an awesome clutch but at arround the 1000 dollar mark its in real proples budget range imho.. it is also a really nice drivable clutch that will take almost whatever you throw at it..

thats my 0.02$

[chicane]

I love Tilton... if it is configured correctly for the intended application. A 7.25" would make one hellofa street clutch... but I have to ask, what is your driving force for getting a triple ?? An 8.5" two disk will be more than plenty for that power level. I have driven everything from their 5.5" four button clutch to their 8.5" two disc (solid marcel). The small diameter stuff is nearing too light to be used in a street car... especially if you go triple or quad. There is so much surface area and so little mass... that the clutch engagement commonly stalls the engine. With the 7.25" and 8.5"... that little extra mass goes a long way... and its just enough for daily use.

There is also the McLeod Street Twin. Since I was part of the development team for the McLeod Street Twin... I can tell you all kinds of things about it. Its a dream to drive on the street due to that it utilizes a sprung marcel carrier and straps on the floater. Just those two things alone reduce the chatter and rattle to ZERO. We learned that from the 'dual mass' flywheel's that the C4 used with the Getrag... they were just... noisy. For its price, you cant go wrong. And their billet slave cylinder is the only one to use...

Exedy has a few choice options too. The Multi Plate and Carbon series have had good reviews from the boys over on LS1Tech. Maybe Andrew will step in... afterall he is the Exedy dude for Holley Brand.

Textilia has also had its fair share of reviews.

You should really check out what the guys that beat the hell out of their LSx clutches say about all the clutches in question. LS1Tech is full of this information...

[tyoneal]

Chicane:

The reason I inquired about the Tilton was that someone had one for sale and since it is relatively cheap to re-build, I thought I would be worth it to ask a few questions.

You wrote:

".....but I have to ask, what is your driving force for getting a triple ??"

1) I read that the 3 plate was good to around 750 HP. Since I was shooting for 550 Rwhp, the 3 plate sounded like it would fit the bill. I know nothing of the Tilton. As I have mentioned in earlier post, my last experience with clutches was many moons ago.

2) The clutch for sale was a 5.5 inch, 3 plate clutch

I had thought if it was a good enough deal, I would go ahead and buy it as I am collecting parts for this new drivetrain.

I have in the past had the opportunity to drive some cars with just excellent street clutches. You could drive them in traffic all day long without fighting them all the time, like some of the older High Performance Clutches. The racing/high performance clutches I remember were just a total PITA.

I am hoping to drive my car a lot of miles, and if the clutch is comfortable to use, while not losing performance, it just adds to the enjoyment of driving. In that regard, that is why I am putting some nice Recaro Seats in it. "Touring" to me also means comfortable.

I will also investigate the other recommendations you mentioned.

Does this information change any of the advice or recommendations you made?

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal