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XcYZ
05-22-2007, 10:30 AM
I watched the documentary called the Great Global Warming Swindle. It took me a week worth of lunch breaks to watch it all, but I have to say, it's well worth the time. I encourage everyone to watch it, the contributors, the scientists, do a great job explaining the climate changes as well as the political pressure to do the opposite.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170

Controversial director Martin Durkin said: "You can see the problems with the science of global warming, but people just don't believe you - it's taken 10 years to get this commissioned.

"I think it will go down in history as the first chapter in a new era of the relationship between scientists and society. Legitimate scientists - people with qualifications - are the bad guys.

Hdesign
05-22-2007, 01:59 PM
Gee, why am I not surprised.

It's funny, I had a design project dealing with climate/environment and human impact upon it back in college. Our task was to raise awareness of global warming through an innovative mailer. All 15 of my classmates followed along (like sheep) with the suggestions made by our 2 professors who critiqued our work regularly. They, of course, supported Al Gore's opinion. For some reason, open critiques of my project always erupted into a major political and philosophical discussion because I chose to research both sides of the issue and I happen to subscribe to the opposing view.

Anyway, so it came time to present the final design. I was 1 of 4 that actually had something to pass in. The presentation went very smoothly and I received compliments on the overall design by a few classmates. The final grades were posted outside the head professor's office a week later. I received the same grade (C) as the students who didn't pass their work in on time while the other 3 ranged between A-and B. I confronted the teacher about it, to which he simply replied that "You didn't follow the instructions." I wish I could have thought of something clever to say at that moment, but I was raised to respect my elders.

It's tough to be the black sheep.

Steve1968LS2
05-22-2007, 02:26 PM
How did mankind cause the last ice age to end by warming the planet?

Was it factories? Our cars? oh wait.. that was thousands and thousands of years ago :yes:

BC69
05-22-2007, 02:32 PM
Thats great you linked to that video. I had that as my away message on instant messanger for weeks trying to get kids my age to watch it. There is just as much, if not more science saying it ISNT our fault. I am not saying we shouldn't debate it, but people need to be open to the other side!

Great Video!

Tim

PS: I bought "Planet Earth" on DVD's. Go get it! I have a soft side for nature and take bio classes for fun. (Nerd), but they are great videos.

Ummgawa
05-22-2007, 03:08 PM
When Mt Saint Helens blew, it, but itself, spewed out 400%(at last calculation) more emissions into the atmosphere than all of the factories/cars/air conditioners/cows farting since humans began farting. (I guess the beginning of atmospheric deterioration as we know it)

This is more than in the history of HISTORY!!

Global Warming is just the new religion of the Liberal Extreme. Evolution and the sky is falling were first and second, not it that order.

But the "They" don't want you knowing that. Go Figure.

jannes_z-28
05-22-2007, 10:08 PM
The problem isn't really global warming. The planet will always be there but we, the mankind, will eventually cease to excist.

The problem that we will face is that we will be to many for the planet to handle us. Nature will always win over mankind.

Mankind also have a great ability to adapt to environment, so we will cope in the short perspective (as a race) but many have to suffer.

One Swedish scientist had an article the other day saying that global warming will take care of itself because we would have burned up all fossilfuels very soon (the peak will be somewhere between 2008-2018) and then the problem would have solved itself.

If many enough people are wrong, it eventually will be be correct!

RussMS
05-23-2007, 05:54 AM
I remember sitting through a documentary in 1986 saying that all fossil fuels would be used up in 12 years so we had to find alternative fuel sources. Now almost 10 years beyond that mark, we are not in a crisis. While it may one day come to pass that we do deplete our earth's petroleum reserves, I do not believe that we can accurately predict when that will be.

My 2 cents anyway.

Steve Chryssos
05-23-2007, 06:25 AM
:rolleyes: So......





......Global warming is caused by the Sun. What a concept. Us humans are so silly. The global warming debate has as much merit as back in the old days when we argued if the world was round or flat.

RussMS
05-23-2007, 08:19 AM
Everyone knows she isa Round!

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o216/rpersonscpa/Fun%20Stuff/chris.jpg

deuce_454
05-23-2007, 09:03 AM
the bullet to shoot down the CO2 theory has just been revieled.. there is global warming on mars as well thises years.. so the solar activity theory just got a heck of a lot more credible, i mean who is going to claim that whatever is heating up mars isnt heating the earth at the same time...

ProTouring442
05-23-2007, 11:43 AM
I remember sitting through a documentary in 1986 saying that all fossil fuels would be used up in 12 years so we had to find alternative fuel sources. Now almost 10 years beyond that mark, we are not in a crisis. While it may one day come to pass that we do deplete our earth's petroleum reserves, I do not believe that we can accurately predict when that will be.

My 2 cents anyway.


Don't forget, we actually don't know how the oil got there. We keep finding more, even after we predict there shouldn't be more. It's a process we don't understand, any more than we understand the enviroment.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

Doug Harden
05-23-2007, 11:56 AM
The scariest part of all of this is the fervor that this myth is being shoved down our throats and into policy....


The result is a cadre of GW believers and plenty of doubters among the so-called "scientific community." Which group gets the media attention and lucrative research grants? Which gets ignored, marginalized, ostracized, demonized, sometimes fired and even death threats? Yes, death threats! Such is the depth of GWF passion.

The New York Times, among others, took Gore's GW Inconvenient Truth film apart for its errors and exaggerations. He says CO2 is the most important "greenhouse" gas. But 95 percent of that mix supposedly causing Earth to cook is water vapor; CO2 is four percent.

For example, just two percent of Antarctica is dramatically warming while 98 percent is cooling, according to Bjorn Lomborg, author of the widely acclaimed book, The Skeptical Environmentalist, and sea mass is increasing in the Northern Hemisphere while decreasing in the Southern Hemisphere. And global temperatures dropped for three decades following their recent high point in 1940 despite increasing levels of CO2. Now they are rising again and approaching that 1940 high. These cycles correlate closely with solar activity, not CO2.


What seems difficult for non-scientific GWFs and GW believers to grasp is that two things happening simultaneously - increasing CO2 and increasing temperatures - are not necessarily linked. Is increasing human life expectancy caused by increasing CO2?

The fact that CO2 levels are higher than they've ever been, Easterbrook points out, "does not mean that CO2 is causing global warming. The increase in CO2 since about 1945 has been from 0.03 percent [of the Earth's atmosphere] to 0.038 percent, a change of only 0.008 percent. The data I have indicates that CO2 is not the cause."

All human activity (including breathing) produces about 3.3 percent as much CO2 as does nature itself, primarily from solar ocean heating and decaying plants and animals. While CO2 now comprises 0.038 percent of the total global atmosphere, human activity contributes just four percent of that, and the U.S. supposedly 25 percent of that four percent. So if the entire United States were to disappear overnight, the resulting reduction in generation of new "greenhouse" gas would be one percent!

.......listen to geologist Easterbrook: "Extending the past [global temperature] pattern into the future," he contends, "we should start cooling again beginning between sometime this year and 2010." That should eventually hush GWF hysteria and send doomsayers over the edge (again) about "global cooling," as in the mid-'70s. He further projects that the globe will cool "half a degree or so" between 2010 and 2040, warm between 2040 and 2070, and cool again from 2070 to 2100, "give or take five years."



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rlplive
05-24-2007, 12:10 PM
Nice, that really got me thinking. I wanted to rent an inconvenient truth but I don't think I will anymore.

mstennes
05-24-2007, 01:03 PM
My question is "how has come that so many people buy into the GW myth?" One more, how is that Al Gore can prech it but than build this huge mansion that will use 5 times more energy than the average house lead the charge against GW. Are people really that dense that they follow by words and not example with no hard proof?