Can anyone recognize what this blasphemous image shows?

[67rsconvert]

I can barely look at it.....the horror :willy: :faint:

[XcYZ]

2JZ in a 1st Gen?

[71Nova]

Ewwww

[67rsconvert]

2JZ in a 1st Gen? Ding ding ding...we have a winner! A camaro that sounds like a Supra, just doesn't work.

[buickfunnycar.com]

Almost as bad as putting a Ford motor in there....

[JohnnyGMachine]

OK, is this a purist muscle car guru's dream? NO! Is it still cool - I think so. C'mon, why not? Do I want to see 20-30 of these driving around no but I sure as hell would love to toss this thing around to see what it is like. Heck PHR magazine is puttin an LS motor in a 5.0. At first thought I said that I'd never do anything like THAT! But after keeping an open mind and reading the article and seeing that they are making some interesting points I actually thought that yeah it could be pretty cool. That motor stock can take on soooo much boost it's insane. I've seen a few 1000 hp street supras that kids are putting together and driving on the street. It's a killer motor. I thought about putting a hemi in a fox body Mustang nothcback - think it'd be killer! HEMISTANG! LOL! That ought to raise some hair on the backs of some Mopar fanatic's necks!

[G-TX]

WRX power in an original Beetle is a popular swap...It's pretty cool because it still sounds like a VW since it's a Flat 4.:D

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/78454.jpg
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/78456.jpg

[69 L88 Camaro]

I just threw up. Lucky for me the picture did not show much of the fenders.

[Mike Hall]

It would be awesome if you could use the WRX AWD setup in that bug.

Mike

[californiacuda]

The Porsche Awd setup would work, with a subi or porsche motor

[Fluid Power]

I like it...
I would like to see someone build a 32 ford with Street King's Lexus SC motor and a 6 speed. But what do I know, I have a 69 Camaro with a small block...:rolleyes:

Darren

[J2SpeedandCustom]

The 2JZ will decimate all... :lol: I'm going to be biased after owning a 1000hp Supra, they are one bad azz machine!

And what is really ironic is the "new" thing for Supras is to swap a twin turbo toyota V8...:rolleyes:

[Datsbad]

I was almost ready to do this , I think the 2JZ would be awesome.

Actuallt I would love to build a fox body Mustang with a 2JZ in it also.
A light weight coupe or something .

[Gordz32]

The 2jz has to go down as one of the best engines ever built! Anything with that thing in it is gonna move. PLus they sound amazing.

[fesler]

This is what drives what we all do here, you dont have to love everything up here but you can admit that its pretty cool to see things like this. If everyone just did the same old things what would be the point of going to shows and building cars. Our goals here are all similiar we just do different things to get there. :thumbsup:

[ProTouring442]

I was almost ready to do this , I think the 2JZ would be awesome.

Actuallt I would love to build a fox body Mustang with a 2JZ in it also.
A light weight coupe or something .


Cool... what size its it? I've thought about some sort of turbo DOHC for a Mustang, a newer version of an SVO.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill

[DarKnight]

My dad has been sticking small block chevy's in everything from a 87 lotus to a 280z. and a bmw 635 inbetween.

mixing and matching power trains and bodys can really give you some wild combo's and provide you with a car that tells something about who you are.

[ArisESQ]

i gotta admit that i would probably never do it, but i still think its a pretty cool idea. that thing probably puts out just as much if not more power than most of the nicest first gen around here, and it probably weighs a little less too.

[RACERAL]

What kind of motor was it.. It could have been a 4 cylinder Chevy in a Chevy

[ProStreet R/T]

That car is a bucket. The builder posts over on 6speedonline and even the exotic crowd thinks it's a tragedy.

It has stock suspension. :willy:

It's getting 14" brakes... woooo :rolleyes:

The guy builds pretty cars that are half azz builds.

It will make 4 digit hp, but won't have any torque to move the car off the line. Who wants to drive a car that doesn't make any power till 5k rpm and needs $16/gal fuel to do anything fun... and $25/gal fuel to really get crazy. :rofl:

[ArisESQ]

http://www.97supraturbo.com/New%20Turbo's/Final%20Dyno%20overlay%205th%20gear%20SAE.JPG


what were you saying about no torque?

and that particular motor isn't anything special. ive seen some of these things making 1000+ hp with well over 800 ft lbs.


and to the question earlier: it's an inline 6 out of a supra.

[aonghus]

I've got a 2JZGE in my IS300. That engine doesn't belong in an american car, neat or not. With that mentality, why don't we just drop S54 BMW motors into everything and call it a day. They already have individual throttle bodies, make 300+hp N/A and drive like all hell.

Why do people want a torque curve that looks like a cheerleaders chest?

I don't know about you guys, but I enjoy losing traction in every single gear at any speed. It just seems manly.

:willy:

[JohnnyGMachine]

Speakin' of BMW motors in everything - well sort of...
In the late 90s, I was at Rolls Royce facility in England on a photoshoot for the Franklin Mint. We were taking photographs and doing sketches to document the new rolls royce cars there. Rolls Royce was having issues with trying to get their engines to run right to comply with emissions standards. Basically they couldn't get 'em to run right. So guess what was under the big plastic beauty cover on both the Bentleys and Rolls Royces? BMW engines LOL! BMW makes great engines but just thought that that was kinda funny. BMW Arnage??? LOL!
Anyways, we're all going to like and dislike different things and that's a good thing. That way we don't see all the same stuff all the time. I like to see stuff like a Supra motor in a Camaro because those are the kind of things that SHAKE IT UP! Get people thinkin' out of the box.
When I went to see the Tokyo Drift movie - yeah I saw it and I own it and like watchin' it - I admit it. I didn't like it at first when I heard they put a Skyline engine in it but once I saw it and seen it run and why they did it in the "story" I was alright with it.
Just don't be afraid to think out of the box - even a little because that's what will set you apart from every other guy.

[ProStreet R/T]

what were you saying about no torque?

and that particular motor isn't anything special. ive seen some of these things making 1000+ hp with well over 800 ft lbs.


and to the question earlier: it's an inline 6 out of a supra.

I was saying it doesn't make dick for torque till nearly 5k rpm... That puny 530rwhp car has what, a single 67 on it? Yeah cause thats gonna react the same as a T6 88 :rolleyes: I have plenty of friends with 1000rwhp supras and SC300's with 2jz swaps. They are horrid from a dig and I personally hate driving them around. Good highway car where you can roll from 5k rpm, but other than that terrible.

I prefer my cars to make 500+ ft/lbs from 2k rpm on up, makes it much nicer to drive around town.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c141/ohhhnoes/4-13-07-dyno-1.jpg

So yeah... no torque. :rofl:

[aonghus]

Thinking outside the box or not, why put a motor that has such a steep torque curve in a relatively heavy car?

It'd be a totally different story if the Camaros weighed 2500lbs.

[JohnnyGMachine]

I've been in and seen plenty of Supras that have no problems from a dig. Besides it depends how you wanna look at it - I guess you could have an easier time launching the Supra that supposedly doesn't come out hard "on a dig" or you can spin your tires not hooking for the first 2 gears in a Viper? LOL! My point was that someone was doing something different and I thought it was cool.
As far as a Camaro being heavy? 1st gen Camaros barely break the 3000 lb. mark? Besides a Supra weighs in at a hefty 3600 lbs. all day!

[Tony@AirRideTech]

We can argue about this all day long but we all know its cool.... nothing is lamer an a typical small block. That is pure boring.... For some reason, alot of people these days think that everything has to have a V-8 in order to be a cool hot rod which is absolutely wrong. Knuckledraggers have been modifying 4 and 6 cylinders for ever.... I mean seriously, how cool would an early stroked out 235 6 cylinder with a turbo be...? Very cool!:thumbsup:

[Croaker]

There was a guy that used to post on LS1.com back in the day called Voodoo Childe that was dropping a forced-induction big-inch Hemi into a MkIV Supra. Last I heard of the project the car got twisted all to hell because of the torque he was putting out.

As for the 2JZ in a 1st-gen...eh. It could be worse. It'll just be fun and a little sad to see a Camaro running 12's at 140+.

[s10kool]

well me being more domestic here if i was going to build a type - Muscle Ricer - i would at least put a domestis type motor

I have read alot on the Ecotec 4cyl and with some small changes will pull over 500 HP and with more changes will pull 1200 HP or more
So i have been kicking the idea of doing a vega or monza build with a killer 4cyl, but that is just me being more loyal to domestic and not cross breeding with imports just too much Tokyo Drift for me

[ProTouring442]

well me being more domestic here if i was going to build a type - Muscle Ricer - i would at least put a domestis type motor

I have read alot on the Ecotec 4cyl and with some small changes will pull over 500 HP and with more changes will pull 1200 HP or more
So i have been kicking the idea of doing a vega or monza build with a killer 4cyl, but that is just me being more loyal to domestic and not cross breeding with imports just too much Tokyo Drift for me

Interesting! I have though about building my wife a SVO Mustang with one of those newer Ford DOHC 4 cyl engines. Then again, doesn't Ford share that engine with Mazda... see, things get so complicated these days! :willy:

As for the Supra powered Camaro, I kind of like it. Doesn't look like he is going for the drift-car style as the engine compartment is way too clean looking for a car you are going to put through all that drifting stuff.

How about a turbo Sprint-6? You know, one of those Pontiac OHC engines?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

[s10kool]

The Ecotec is a over engineered GM motor

i will have to find the read up on it by GM performance boys getting over 1200 HP out of it and with minor mods can push 500 HP

Very bad ass

[PASD U]

Sometimes we are so damn funny and picky. We don't want our Porterhouse steaks to touch our Veggies. Hahaha. Quit trippin about it. I'll admit I'm on the fence about this one, but if we WERE mindless robots we'd all be pushing 14" wheels with crappy treaded tires, we'd be able to reach our hand out the window and almost swipe the ground from so much body roll and everybody's interior/exterior would REALLY show what 40 years of natural history will do to a machine. 99% of us like modified cars/trucks. I damn sure don't want to see 1,000,000 copies of that same thing. :rolleyes:

[PTAddict]

Although this isn't what I would do, I'm perfectly OK with it. This hobby is all about experimentation and individual expression, that's what makes it fun.

Don't forget, the whole pro-touring thing was essentially inspired by European car standards of balanced performance. The PT movement in the early days was widely derided as a sissy, non-American trend in muscle cars - Pro Street was in. And putting 16 or 17 inch wheels with those rubber band tires on a piece of premium American muscle - just like those ricer cars! How disgusting!

I'm building a '69 right now, with LS7, T-56, DSE front clip and QuadraLink, Baer 6-pistons. There might be 50 or more people in the country right now building cars to those same exact specs. That doesn't bother me - the whole point of this build for me is to use well-sorted, proven combos because I want to drive and track it, not fuss with it. But if I was looking to push the boundaries, what would have been a bleeding edge combo 3 years ago is common today ...

[FYRARMS]

Couple things...

First, I am a new member here. Great site! Been viewing it for a long time and finally decided to join. :)

Secondly, I am one of the head moderators at Supraforums.com, and the shop that built the Camaro in question posted the photos over there. The car received the same mixed reviews that it did here. I am not too much of a fan of the car. I can certainly appreciate the time and effort involved in the build, but a Camaro that doesn't sound like a Camaro just isn't my cup of tea.

Lastly, in regards to high-horsepower Supras, while the power curve isn't exactly a mirror image of a Viper, it is most definitely useable. With so many improved turbos using ball-bearing technology, EFI systems with anti-lag, two-steps, transbrakes, etc., many well-built 2JZ cars are leaving the line hard under boost. Plenty of 10, 9, and even 8-second street-driven Supras running around on the stock IRS putting the hurt on trailer-queen V8 cars. Turbo lag is overrated---if a Supra with a large turbo can't get off the line easily, either the driver can't drive or he isn't using the right equipment.

Personally, I sold a 10-second street-driven Vortech-supercharged F-body to purchase my Supra. It is my first import, and pretty much the only import I would consider building in to a high-horsepower monster. The rest of my fleet is all V8 domestic iron. The Supra is definitely my favorite car---handling, braking, comfort, power, uber-reliability and sexy looks make the choice easy. Hard to beat an overbuilt inline-6 that will handle over 800hp on stock internals.

Chevy V8 in to a Datsun 240Z? Sure! That is an upgrade.
Supra I6 in to a 1st gen Camaro? Meh... Not for me.

[XcYZ]

Welcome to the site.

I have mixed feelings about it, too, but I know it probably goes like a bastard. I'd need a ride in it to make a fully informed decision on whether it's cool or not. :D

Kudos for thinking outside the box. Fresh ideas are (generally) a good thing.

[FYRARMS]

I agree!

Oh, and just before anyone asks, my current pro-touring project is a FFR Cobra replica. 427" EFI small-block Ford, TKO600 trans, modern interior with stereo and (gasp) air conditioning, 19's at all corners sitting on Griggs suspension. Should turn out pretty sweet. Always wanted a scary-ass roadster deathtrap. :willy:

[SteveMcqueenRules]

man i hate foreign motors in american cars. I think a turbo ecotec would be way cooler than a supra motor. who owns this thing. the kind of guy i would imagine would be driving this thing is some ricer guy who jumps on the muscle car bandwagon.

[FYRARMS]

the kind of guy i would imagine would be driving this thing is some ricer guy who jumps on the muscle car bandwagon.Please tell me you are not referring to Supras as "rice", and just generalizing on the guy who would do this swap. Thanks.

[FYRARMS]

Link to the builder/owner website:

http://www.evsmotors.com/home.html

[PASD U]

man i hate the muscle car bandwagon.

Hahahaha, the bandwagon. I guess we aren't allowed to like domestics AND imports. Better not drive a 4 cylinder but build an 8 cylinder? Blah to you sir! Double Blah!

[ProTouring442]

man i hate foreign motors in american cars. I think a turbo ecotec would be way cooler than a supra motor. who owns this thing. the kind of guy i would imagine would be driving this thing is some ricer guy who jumps on the muscle car bandwagon.

Buddy... So uncool! It's fine to not like the car, but you don't have to rag on the owner! :omg:

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

[JohnnyGMachine]

I really don't even like the term "ricer:...little derogatory maybe:question:
A motor is just an air pump - who cares how the air pump makes power just that it can make power - big power. I've seen plenty of japanese engines lay waste to V8 engines at the dragstrip from little 1.6 and 1.8s all the way up to 2jz turbo motors.
About 4 years ago I bought a clean little black 1991 Si Civic hatch with a blown motor SOHC 1.6 (108 hp.) for $1100! I bought a stock JDM 1.6 DOHC ZC engine (125 hp). By the time I did the header, stainless exhaust, CAI, and custom chip I was making over 150 hp. Not a lot of power but the car only weighed in at just over 2000 lbs. I also drove this car everyday and got 36 mpg. Now this was no torquemonster by any means BUT it was quick enough to slowly pull away from a stock 87-93 Mustang GT. Imagine what it would do to a heavy mid to late 70s stock Z28?! I had only $3000 into the car including the coil over suspension and we did the work ourselves.
I now drive a 5.0 GT everyday because I miss the torque and sound of a V8 but still wish I hadn't sold the Civic - point is, it was a fun car.

J

[SteveMcqueenRules]

i don't mean to say thats the way the guy actually is but thats just what comes to mind when i see something like that.
I think supra are awesome cars i would actually like to own one but to me putting the motor in a muscle car just grates. it doesn't seem to me to have any point at all. i mean keep a theme to the car. I am not some V8 only guy my buddy has a spirit r/t that will waste anything I ever had.

Hahahaha, the bandwagon. I guess we aren't allowed to like domestics AND imports. Better not drive a 4 cylinder but build an 8 cylinder? Blah to you sir! Double Blah!
that isnt even what I said!!!! I like things with 1 cylinder four cylinders or 5 cylinders for that matter or even things that don't have cylinders like rx7's

and NO I DONT CONSIDER SUPRAS RICE NOT AT ALL. there is a local supra that is fast as hell that thing sounds like a freakin banshee. I have been contemplating a lexus SC 2jz swap i think it would be a good low buck alternative to a supra.

NOW BACK TO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING....

[ProTouring442]

i don't mean to say thats the way the guy actually is but thats just what comes to mind when i see something like that.
I think supra are awesome cars i would actually like to own one but to me putting the motor in a muscle car just grates...

...and NO I DONT CONSIDER SUPRAS RICE NOT AT ALL. there is a local supra that is fast as hell that thing sounds like a freakin banshee. I have been contemplating a lexus SC 2jz swap i think it would be a good low buck alternative to a supra.

NOW BACK TO REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING....

Ok, we're cool! Let's face it, typing doesn't express all of what we mean when we say something, I thought you were downing the guy for doing it.

I don't think I would do it either, but that Supra motor in a Vega, Monza, or one of their clones would rock!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

[Bandit]

Ok, we're cool!
Dang it, I was just starting to enjoy the show...:P