A part that SOMEBODY needs to make...

[Steve1968LS2]

I was driving my Camaro, shortly before it was sent back to the bodyshop, and noticed a glaring area where it needed improvement.

The cowl hood.

90% of us don't run the factory cowl vents on the hood since we aren't running the cowl-induction air cleaner. This means we are stuck with an undinished area of the hood that we have to stare at when driving down the road.

Somebody needs to make a part to close off this area, some sort of wire mesh with a frame that will bolt to the factory locations. It would really do a lot to clean up this area and give a finished look.

Thoughts?

A laser cut piece of stainless? A more elaborate solution? Who will solve this common first gen problem.

I know I would buy one :)

[buickfunnycar.com]

A buddy of mine fabricated his own mesh screen on his 'glass 2x4 hood and it looks great...gives it that '60's "competition" look.:yes:

I still run the factory cowl flapper so mine's intact...but I do know what you mean.That is the first thing you see as soon as you're behind the wheel.

[Stenod]

Check out the hood going on the "red witch"...:D

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=7736

It's a carbon copy of what your looking for, we should have them for sale in about a month or so. :thumbsup:

Stenod

[Steve1968LS2]

Check out the hood going on the "red witch"...:D

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=7736

It's a carbon copy of what your looking for, we should have them for sale in about a month or so. :thumbsup:

Stenod

I know Joe.. I'm on the list :woot:

Still, somebody needs to make/sell this part. I would imagine many guys with regular cowl hoods would spring for them

You shipping my hood next week??? :unibrow:

[XcYZ]

You shipping my hood next week??? :unibrow:


Heh, get in line, Buddy. :D

[mazspeed]

Hey Steve, that's on our list with my buddy to do. He is doing a water jet ti item for this that will be plated. I don't know what color yet, but he has a pattern already picked out. I will not have it before Pleasanton though.

[Steve1968LS2]

Hey Steve, that's on our list with my buddy to do. He is doing a water jet ti item for this that will be plated. I don't know what color yet, but he has a pattern already picked out. I will not have it before Pleasanton though.

Cool, just a simple cover that would bolt onto the hood.. one that allows for airflow. Heck, they could be painted whatever color.

Have a picture? Seem redundant for everyone to design thier own. Someone need to curn out a hundred or so, mark them up a notch, and sell them.

:yes:

[Steve1968LS2]

Heh, get in line, Buddy. :D

I am and I even bribed Joe to put me ahead of you.. sucka!

:lol:

[mazspeed]

Cool, just a simple cover that would bolt onto the hood.. one that allows for airflow. Heck, they could be painted whatever color.

Have a picture? Seem redundant for everyone to design thier own. Someone need to curn out a hundred or so, mark them up a notch, and sell them.

:yes:

Ill see. The water jet guy who is the employee of my buddy just got his face rebroken due to getting it broken in a bike accident, and he's the one doing my parts. Ill ask him when he gets his mouth unwired. He knows what I want and I'm not going to bug him about it right now. Or maybe I should, it's not like he can talk back to me or anything. :P

[Derek69SS]

On Dad's '68, we cut out a sheet of aluminum to close off the cowl hood. Without it sealed, the hot under-hood air comes out there and goes right into the cowl vents and into the interior when the blower fan is on... really sucks if you don't have A/C.

[tyoneal]

The CF Hoods are awesome.

Please keep me posted on when these go up for sale.

Thanks,

Ty O'Neal

[tyoneal]

I know Joe.. I'm on the list :woot:

Still, somebody needs to make/sell this part. I would imagine many guys with regular cowl hoods would spring for them

You shipping my hood next week??? :unibrow:
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To All:

Regarding the CF Hoods:

Do they need/ have any structure on the underside of them like the metal ones, or are they good to go without it?

Does anyone know if the gel coat could be tinted when they are made. It would look really cool to see a Red Hood that showed the CF underneath. Maybe just a Tint if nothing else.

Thanks,

Ty

[Steve1968LS2]

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To All:

Regarding the CF Hoods:

Do they need/ have any structure on the underside of them like the metal ones, or are they good to go without it?

Does anyone know if the gel coat could be tinted when they are made. It would look really cool to see a Red Hood that showed the CF underneath. Maybe just a Tint if nothing else.

Thanks,

Ty

The hood needs no support. This lends extra room for maybe a blower or such :)

I'm sure the gel could be tinted. You could also just shoot the hood in a tinted or candied clear.

[camcojb]

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To All:

Regarding the CF Hoods:

Do they need/ have any structure on the underside of them like the metal ones, or are they good to go without it?

Does anyone know if the gel coat could be tinted when they are made. It would look really cool to see a Red Hood that showed the CF underneath. Maybe just a Tint if nothing else.

Thanks,

Ty

I think on the Red Witch they just painted the hood on top to match the car, and left the underneath in carbon fiber.

Jody

[DRJDVM's '69]

I've been meaning to make one for my car for years... every time I drive it I think " hey I still need to make some sort of mesh cover for that vent"

I would buy one if someone made them....

[Bowtieracing]

90% of us don't run the factory cowl vents on the hood since we aren't running the cowl-induction air cleaner. This means we are stuck with an undinished area of the hood that we have to stare at when driving down the road.

Somebody needs to make a part to close off this area, some sort of wire mesh with a frame that will bolt to the factory locations. It would really do a lot to clean up this area and give a finished look.

Thoughts?



I am sure Marquez desing or Ring borthers could do it. Billet frame and stainless mess would be a hot ticket. Something similar than RingBros have for mustangs allready

http://www.ringbrothers.com/images/mustang-cowl-vents.jpg

[syborg tt]

Steve,

Make me a pattern of what you need and i'll have a few hundred made no problem.

[slck6t9]

I for sure would be in for one. I hate the look of the back of my hood now.

[awr68]

LOL, I've never noticed this loose end...but then again, I've never driven my car yet either! I'm interested!! :)

[the camtender]

Firewheel Classics in Wyle,Texas has been selling grills for the back of the cowl opening that screw in at factory spots for a couple yrs. now.There not very expensive,waterjet cut,but not billet alum.Works good for me.

Jerry

[MarkM66]

On Dad's '68, we cut out a sheet of aluminum to close off the cowl hood. Without it sealed, the hot under-hood air comes out there and goes right into the cowl vents and into the interior when the blower fan is on... really sucks if you don't have A/C.

Under hood air comes out the cowl hole? You sure about that? Would debunk the whole cowl induction theory then...

[Van B]

Under hood air comes out the cowl hole? You sure about that? Would debunk the whole cowl induction theory then...

I would have to believe that hot air would come out of there unless the air cleaner is sealed to the hood in which case the whole cowl induction theory holds water.

[tyoneal]

With low pressure at the base of the window, I would think that the evacuation of hot air from under the hood might even be a better use for it rather than using it to pull air to the engine. There are plenty of ways of piping outside/cooler air to the engine.

Also, at speed relieving air from under the hood would help keep the car low to the ground.

Is this wrong??:_paranoid

Ty

[Blown353]

The base of the windshield is a high pressure area. However, to determine the flow of air you'd have to check and compare the mean underhood pressure vs pressure at the base of the windshield/cowl inlet; the air will flow across the pressure gradient from high to low. You'd have to get some pressure transducers or rig up a quick manometer setup to check the pressures. Or, go budget-style and simply tape a piece of streamer tape or paper to the back of the cowl hood and go for a drive and note if it sucks into the hood or flaps outwards.

With the cowl hood not sealed to a carb pan (as in the original installation) I don't know what the direction of flow will be-- someone do an experiment and find out, I want to know. I'm cowl-less or I would do it myself.

[Bowtieracing]

Firewheel Classics in Wyle,Texas has been selling grills for the back of the cowl opening that screw in at factory spots for a couple yrs. now.There not very expensive,waterjet cut,but not billet alum.Works good for me.

Jerry

Hello Jerry! Thanks for the tip:thumbsup:

I found it here:

http://www.firewheelclassics.com/PDF/Firewheel%20Classics%202006%20Catalog.pdf page 115 .

Btw really good pics on their catalog too.

[Derek69SS]

Under hood air comes out the cowl hole? You sure about that? Would debunk the whole cowl induction theory then...The carb/air cleaner was not sealed off to the hood on Dad's car. If they were sealed off, it would work as designed to pull in cool air from high-pressure area at base of windshield.

The heat coming out of it, and into the interior is much more noticeable at low-speeds... the engine fan is pulling air in, and the hot air (which rises) escapes through the unsealed cowl hood.

Sealing off the carb would solve the problem, but Dad is cheap, and doesn't care much about performance, so we just covered the opening so it would be more comfortable to drive.

[USA Steel]

Here is a filler piece that Scott at Chubby's Welding made for his 68 and my under construction 67. A really nice piece and he also makes a piece similar to it as a hold down on his tricked out 68. He is a very good fabrication guy. He is a Lateral-G member by the name of coolwelder62. Give him a call at his shop 785-594-7481
Scott is also the guy who performed ALL the fabrication work on Mizfits 69 Camaro that is now for sale at $185,000 unfinished.
Have a good one,
Rusty

[Steve1968LS2]

Here is a filler piece that Scott at Chubby's Welding made for his 68 and my under construction 67. A really nice piece and he also makes a piece similar to it as a hold down on his tricked out 68. He is a very good fabrication guy. He is a Lateral-G member by the name of coolwelder62. Give him a call at his shop 785-594-7481
Scott is also the guy who performed ALL the fabrication work on Mizfits 69 Camaro that is now for sale at $185,000 unfinished.
Have a good one,
Rusty

Wow, that's really nice.. I might have to give him a call.

Here's the one from Firewheel Classics.. Hard to beat for $22 and it can be painted any color you wish. Nice people too.

http://picsorban.com/upload/plate.jpg

[awr68]

Personally I would like to have it done in mesh with a small frame. Don't the glass hoods have it in mesh...I thought I remembered seeing that? Perhaps your old hood Steve?

[Steve1968LS2]

Personally I would like to have it done in mesh with a small frame. Don't the glass hoods have it in mesh...I thought I remembered seeing that? Perhaps your old hood Steve?

Yep, my old 4" Harwood hood had it in mesh.. looked GREAT. I do believe it was moulded into the hood.

[RECOVERY ROOM]

Steve, McMaster-Carr has a whole section of at least 100 diffrent mesh sizes in stainless that can be orderd by the inch or foot

[Bowtieracing]

Steve, McMaster-Carr has a whole section of at least 100 diffrent mesh sizes in stainless that can be orderd by the inch or foot

That is unbelievable site.. allmost too much to choose. Btw i couldn find the stailess mesh but did a lot something else really cool!!

[MODO Innovations]

That is unbelievable site.. allmost too much to choose. Btw i couldn find the stailess mesh but did a lot something else really cool!!

The site is very easy to use as well.
I have one of their catalogs in my collection...its easy to find, its the big yellow one with green writing on it and every time I look at it I find something new.

[ViperBlue68]

Wow, that's really nice.. I might have to give him a call.

Here's the one from Firewheel Classics.. Hard to beat for $22 and it can be painted any color you wish. Nice people too.

http://picsorban.com/upload/plate.jpg

this is the one I've had for about 2 years now bought it from Super Muscle Car Parts in Sacramento...painted it black and it fits ok...pain in the azz puting on with the hood and windshield in place tho! cant beat it for the price...i'd buy a billett one with mesh screen if marquez or someone else makes one...

[awr68]

it fits ok.....

Could you please elaborate? Got any pics? I need to figure something out soon!!

[Steve Chryssos]

Cowl induction grille in the works at Twist Machine!! Royalty check to Steve Rupp (But don't plan on retiring to Tahiti any time soon)

[Bowtieracing]

Cowl induction grille in the works at Twist Machine!! Royalty check to Steve Rupp (But don't plan on retiring to Tahiti any time soon)


Sign me up for a one Steve!

[Steve Chryssos]

Will do.

The "no obligations/no deposit required" waiting list starts now.

[Rick Dorion]

I'm interested. What material Steve?

[Steve Chryssos]

CNC machined aluminum.

[Steve1968LS2]

CNC machined aluminum.

Nice!

You have two months to get it done! lol

[awr68]

Will do.

The "no obligations/no deposit required" waiting list starts now.

I'll take one for sure please!! And I might need one or two more as well.

Thanks for taking care of us!! :thumbsup:

[MODO Innovations]

Cowl induction grille in the works at Twist Machine!! Royalty check to Steve Rupp (But don't plan on retiring to Tahiti any time soon)


Steve you beat me to it. I will have to get on the ball faster next time. I have been working on new Mustang pedal sets and have missed out on another opportunity.

I have no doubt that it will be a nice product. Best of luck.:thumbsup:

[DAWG]

sign me up for one aswell

[Steve Chryssos]

Thanks Shannon, I really need to find time to order two sets of auto pedals. Feel free to call me if you get a chance.

Thanks everyone for your interest. We will have the part done in a week or so. We are turned off by the available slotted or mesh "plate" designs. That plate solution, in particular, appears to block off about 60 percent of the air opening. And mesh seems redundant since we all use air filters. The mesh doesn't seal out the environment either.
Instead, we are coming up with a finished panel that retains the full function of the opening. It will be something completely different and three dimensional--sure to blow everyone's mind. We want to do something that LOOKS as though it works similar to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHtgXsIxA8A

[BThibodeaux]

Thanks Shannon, I really need to find time to order two sets of auto pedals. Feel free to call me if you get a chance.

Thanks everyone for your interest. We will have the part done in a week or so. We are turned off by the available slotted or mesh "plate" designs. That plate solution, in particular, appears to block off about 60 percent of the air opening. And mesh seems redundant since we all use air filters. The mesh doesn't seal out the environment either.
Instead, we are coming up with a finished panel that retains the full function of the opening. It will be something completely different and three dimensional--sure to blow everyone's mind. We want to do something that LOOKS as though it works similar to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHtgXsIxA8A

Sounds great. Please add me to the list. Thanks.

[jski67]

I'm really looking forward to see this... :thumbsup:

Jason

[DAWG]

I was on that boat during that incident.
uss roosevelt CVN 71.
Not a laughing matter due to the guy was one of my suboordinates.

[Steve Chryssos]

I was on that boat during that incident.
uss roosevelt CVN 71.
Not a laughing matter due to the guy was one of my suboordinates.

Wow! What are the odds? Sorry if I offended you. The guy survives. I will edit my post if you wish.

[mazspeed]

I might need to be added to the list as well. My buddy who is doing my core supports and a few other things might not be able to do the mesh screen now, he smashed his face and he had to have it rebroken by the doctor to correct it. He's in a bit of pain and not working for the time being. So I have to scale down my request list at this time for just a few things, so If you can make them, I could use it. :hail:

[DAWG]

NP just wanted to point it out.
wasnt funny at the time .
hey hows the cowl panel coming along?

[Steve Chryssos]

It's coming along nicely. Don't expect a flat plate. :unibrow:

[DAWG]

cool let all know when done plz.

[Rick Dorion]

Hey, Steve! Any eta :)

[Steve Chryssos]

7 to 10 days. Here's a video of the first (very rough) prototype from a coupla weeks ago. The wife says not to show off the video because we look like bozos. But so what. :goofy:

http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/cowlplate.html

[Rick Dorion]

Thanks, Steve. Great dynamics!

[MODO Innovations]

Steve, that looks pretty sharp.:thumbsup: I was expecting a flat sheet metal plate with some fancy cut outs or something.

[DRJDVM's '69]

You are absolutely right... I dont want to have to cut my car or tap anything .... my car is done and painted, so no fabrication to get stuff to fit

[Steve Chryssos]

Steve, that looks pretty sharp.:thumbsup: I was expecting a flat sheet metal plate with some fancy cut outs or something.

Thanks. We looked at the part and immediately thought to make something venturi-like.

[Steve Chryssos]

You are absolutely right... I dont want to have to cut my car or tap anything .... my car is done and painted, so no fabrication to get stuff to fit

Yeah...Frank and Jimmy are hardcore racers. Those guys will instinctively cut a car in half if they think it'll gain 'em a tenth. Good for one-off designs. Bad for production parts. It's my job to herd them in the right direction like CNC cattle. It's all part of the process. Watch it again and you'll see how their like: "...we'll just move it up some."

You'll be able to install the final design without even removing the hood.

[69Nova]

Dam Steevo that looks sweet. I'll defintly order one when they are ready. It will be a shame but I guess I'll probly black mine out(powder coat I guess?) to go along with everything else on my car.

[DAWG]

cmon I want mine now lol.
what kinda price are we talking about?
will there be different designs?

[Steve Chryssos]

That's why I make it a rule to NEVER discuss a new product until it is in a box and on the shelf. Broke my own rule. I can't state a price at this point.

Andrew, what brand hood do you have? Does it have a factory style cowl door opening--irregularly shaped?

[mazspeed]

That's why I make it a rule to NEVER discuss a new product until it is in a box and on the shelf. Broke my own rule. I can't state a price at this point.

Andrew, what brand hood do you have? Does it have a factory style cowl door opening--irregularly shaped?


Ill be ordering one as well. My fab guy is out of commission for a while with his re broken jaw.

[Rick Dorion]

I'm definately in. Thanks, Steve, for the effort!

I too am considering powdercoat.

[69Nova]

That's why I make it a rule to NEVER discuss a new product until it is in a box and on the shelf. Broke my own rule. I can't state a price at this point.

Andrew, what brand hood do you have? Does it have a factory style cowl door opening--irregularly shaped?

Good question Steve. I'm not sure what the correct opening is so how about I just take a picture and send it your way so you can let me know if your product should fit.

[tyoneal]

Steve:

I liked the video. Looks like the part will be really nice. I will probably be giving you a call sooner or later to pick one up.

Ty

[Steve Chryssos]

Thanks guys.

[Steve Chryssos]

Trim Plates are done. Just gotta order up hardware and figure out packaging. Price is $55 including stainless steel button head screws. Designed so that you can install it without removing the hood. Works on OE style hoods but we kept the design simple so that it can be easily adapted to aftermarket hoods
http://homepage.mac.com/streetfytr/.Pictures/Posting/trimplateA.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/streetfytr/.Pictures/Posting/trimplateB.jpg

[Steve1968LS2]

Should I PM you my address?? lol

Very nice.. looks like a good candidate for New Products :thumbsup:

I wonder how it would look with some black mesh behind it.. hmmm

[awr68]

Looks great! Are you going to add mesh as well? Is black hard coating available as a finish?

Thanks Steve! :thumbsup:

[Steve Chryssos]

We decided against mesh. Mesh won't keep the rain and snow out, but if you imagine moving all of those pieces of wire together, they will cut down on airflow-probably by 30%. We've all been doing without mesh for 30-plus years. Our goal was to dress up the area without cutting down on airflow. We can black anodize them. Anodizing is pricey on Long Island. Figure on $80-$85 in black. Maybe less. Maybe more.

[69Nova]

We decided against mesh. Mesh won't keep the rain and snow out, but if you imagine moving all of those pieces of wire together, they will cut down on airflow-probably by 30%. We've all been doing without mesh for 30-plus years. Our goal was to dress up the area without cutting down on airflow. We can black anodize them. Anodizing is pricey on Long Island. Figure on $80-$85 in black. Maybe less. Maybe more.


Steve is that out the door or do you add $80 dollars on top of the 55 dollars?

[Steve Chryssos]

Naw, Total. Part and hard coat for $80. I think. Might be less.

[HotRod68Camaro]

I will definetely take one.

[Rick Dorion]

I'm in. Hmmm - anodizing. I was going to powder coat but I think the anodizing would look a bit cleaner. Can't wait.

[69Nova]

Naw, Total. Part and hard coat for $80. I think. Might be less.

Perfect. Thats exactly what I want then.

[Steve Chryssos]

We've kept track of this thread as a wait list. Trim panel orders will be filled in post sequence. Please feel free to call or email with contact info.

Thanks everyone.

[69Nova]

Just sent you a email with my contact info.

[Steve Chryssos]

Got it. Thanks

[mazspeed]

E-mail sent.

[Steve1968LS2]

We've kept track of this thread as a wait list. Trim panel orders will be filled in post sequence. Please feel free to call or email with contact info.

Thanks everyone.

Then I must be #1 on the list.. lol

[HotRod68Camaro]

I need to start posting sooner

[jack67rs]

Steve, I need one of these also, I'll give you a call.


thanks,
Jack

[Steve Chryssos]

Happy to announce that Billet Cowl Induction Trim Plates will start shipping tomorrow. We have quite a large number of backorders to fill so it will take a few days. And the phones are nuts so be sure to give Mike Redpath at MuscleRodz.com a call too.
Thanks everyone for your business. Here 's some more pix.
/Steevo

http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/trimplatesfinished.html

http://web.mac.com/streetfytr/iWeb/TwistMachineLLC/trimplatesfinished_files/IMG_1123.jpg

[HotRod68Camaro]

SWEEEEET! cant wait to get it installed.

[mazspeed]

I need to have mine before Rupp does. Just so I can be one up on him and stuff. :unibrow:

[Steve Chryssos]

Sorry guys, the pace always gets first dibs on new products. It's becoming a tradition.