So, how was your day?

[Steve1968LS2]

Most likely better than mine.. lol

Remember the "Penny Lives" thread? Well in the words of Borat "Not so much..."

http://picsorban.com/upload/broked.jpg

We should have the whole engine out today.. rebuilt tomorrow and back in completely Wednesday. Fun huh?

The new quote for the day "The first 98% of building a car is easy, it's the last 2% that will make you cry"

We had low oil pressure (8 psi) at idle. Dropped in two quarts and it went up to 25 psi at idle. We though it was the oil pump o-ring, maybe the pick-up tube.

So far the o-ring is perfect. We pulled the cam to have a look and noticed the journals (that ride in the cam bearings) had grooves on one side and not on the other. Considering the cam is new it shouldn't of had any grooves.

Thinking there might of been a heat treating issue, not sure until we tear it down and send the part to the experts. The cam was a custom grind and even with COMP working miracles in customer service it would take three days to grind a new one. By the way, the CS at COMP has been top notch. I really couldn't ask for more.

Old cam specs:
230/232 .591/.595 114+2

New cam specs:
232/234 .595/.598 112

Will be a little more lopey. I don't think the power curve will change much. COMP has this in stock and is going to next day air it to me.

We will tear down the block, check everying and toss in new bearings where needed. we will then tripple check the pickup tube and reasemble the engine.

Will hopefully fire it up Wednesday late.. hopefully.. lol

The cam scoring could have caused the oil pressue issue although it wasn't that "loose". Will know more tomorrow when we have her torn down completely.

Penny will live, just not today.. :yes:

[pushrod243]

bummer sounds like you willl be burning some midnite oil

[radrambler]

steven

that sucks,,,,,sorry to hear about that...
sounds like youll have her running in no time...
will we have a video clip????
check your email please

radrambler

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Damn I know your pain........Lucky if my car is on the road by the end of june!lol

(sorry this is off topic but could you tell my the sizes the holes are on your master cylinder is the front 1/2 and the back 9/16? thanks):)

[Steve Chryssos]

A bigger cam? That's the only change? I'm shocked.:faint:

[race-rodz]

so how far did it go before yanking the motor? the prostreet 57 went 28 miles before breaking a distributor gear:faint: gotta love workin out the bugs:thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

A bigger cam? That's the only change? I'm shocked.:faint:

And a better clutch.. hey, I can only scam so many parts in a day.. lol

The bitch of it is that I just sold an ARP main stud kit and rod bolt kit. I didn't use them because I didn't want to tear down a new motor.

Jokes on me I guess.. :rofl:

Oh well, that's hot rodding for ya. Sometimes you're the hero and sometimes you're the goat.

[camcojb]

And a better clutch.. hey, I can only scam so many parts in a day.. lol

The bitch of it is that I just sold an ARP main stud kit and rod bolt kit. I didn't use them because I didn't want to tear down a new motor.

Jokes on me I guess.. :rofl:

Oh well, that's hot rodding for ya. Sometimes you're the hero and sometimes you're the goat.


well, both those items aren't bolt-ins, they require machine work. So you saved yourself some money and time!:D

[mazspeed]

That sucks Steve. Time to get drunk. :unibrow:

[Steve1968LS2]

That sucks Steve. Time to get drunk. :unibrow:

Actually I unwound by having pizza, beer and overly violent computer games (SIN Episodes)

Owe ya a phone call.. been overly preocupied..

[Steve1968LS2]

well, both those items aren't bolt-ins, they require machine work. So you saved yourself some money and time!:D

I know, but if I had known I was going to tear down the engine I would have done it.

No biggie.. It's only time and money.. right? Ok, now I need another beer..

[rockdogz]

Oh man that's rough... will make it that much sweeter when she's on the road!!

:cheers:

[ProTouring442]

Just like in the build, it's always the little crap that gets you.

Does remind me of a dumb mistake I made years ago, kind of off topic, but I thought it might make you laugh.

Ever shim an oil pump with a welch plug? Know what happens when you do? Oil pressure is fine at idle, but as soon as you give it some gas, the bypass opens, lets the oil in, but it won't bleed out and locks the bypass closed. Did you know you can actually blow an oil filter right off of a 409 with this little trick? :wow: 'Bout peed my pants when it exploded the filter off of it's mount. Took me a few to figure out what I had done wrong!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
'89 ASC/McLaren
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

[MarkM66]

A treatment problem with a Comp cam? Look around over at Team Chevelle, doesn't appear to be that uncommon.

[Payton King]

Keep you head up little buck-a-roo? I don't think that would help. That really sucks! Now I am all freaked out about starting mine. Running a comp grind as well.

I will be thinking about you and having a beer...just on the other coast

When things settle down give me a buzz.

[superslow]

I was going to ask if you used a double roller timing chain on your engine. Reason I ask is because some of the sets have oil pump shims with them. Similar to what ProTouring442 had mentioned the driverside shim can be flipped upside down and still bolt on. It will cut off 2/3's of the oil passage to the upper engine. Something to look into if you did have shims. Dont ask how I know. :faint: :lol:

[68protouring454]

wasn't this motor dynoed, why was the low oil pressure not caught then?? would of eliminated all of this and is exactly what dyno testing is for
killer car, killer motor goodluck

[Steve1968LS2]

A treatment problem with a Comp cam? Look around over at Team Chevelle, doesn't appear to be that uncommon.

Now Now.. it's only a theory. Let's not bandwagon. They are next day airing the new one to me.

[Steve1968LS2]

wasn't this motor dynoed, why was the low oil pressure not caught then?? would of eliminated all of this and is exactly what dyno testing is for
killer car, killer motor goodluck

Oil pressure was fine on the dyno. It wasn't "endurance tested" for a long period. It was ran in then tested in stock form. Then tested with the heads and the last 10 pulls were made with the new cam.

Also, there's no evidence the low oil pressue is related to the cam issue. I feel the low oil pressue is a problem with the pick-up tube (crack or such). Will know for sure today.

Like I said, just part of the "car building experience".. what can ya do?

[TonyL]

well that sucks.. Good luck Steve.

[syborg tt]

Keep you head up little buck-a-roo?

you can't say buck-a-roo to Steve. There the competition printing those other car mags.

Keep you head up Steve.

On a good note your hood pin - skuff plates are going to be shipped or maybe even hand delivered to you if you like.

[Steve1968LS2]

you can't say buck-a-roo to Steve. There the competition printing those other car mags.

Keep you head up Steve.

On a good note your hood pin - skuff plates are going to be shipped or maybe even hand delivered to you if you like.

:woot:

Hey, have you seen the new June issue of PHR yet???

[Mean 69]

Well, crap. That's just not cool, sorry to hear it's more than something simple. This car has really had a man streak in her at times, it'll get sorted out though. You'll look back and laugh in a few years, for now just keep muscling it.

M

[Rybar]

Tough luck steve, at least you'll get a bigger cam and possibly a rebuild with ARP hardware making the motor even stronger. Please post up what happened when you find out. :(

[Steve1968LS2]

Well, crap. That's just not cool, sorry to hear it's more than something simple. This car has really had a man streak in her at times, it'll get sorted out though. You'll look back and laugh in a few years, for now just keep muscling it.

M

Yea, they sometimes fight you at the end.. asserting dominance I guess. lol

I went ahead and upgraded my clutch, the Lambo on Bullrun got me thinking ;)

[Payton King]

I am running a textralia with a billet flywheel. I hear the Mcleods are real good as well.

[sick65]

Damn I know your pain........Lucky if my car is on the road by the end of june!lol

(sorry this is off topic but could you tell my the sizes the holes are on your master cylinder is the front 1/2 and the back 9/16? thanks):)

Better hurry your ass up if you are going to make Indy....:D

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Better hurry your ass up if you are going to make Indy....:D

lol

Not going to make indy.....made some more changes in the build..lol

Plus dosent help when dads down in North Carolina!

[race-rodz]

.. asserting dominance I guess. lol


just show your teeth and piss on it...show it who is really boss:lol:

[Steve1968LS2]

A moment of silence for the fallen crank.. she led a short, but.. well a short life.

If I went 30 under it MIGHT be ok.. 30.. :willy:

Still no idea what killed it. The heads and valvetrain are perfect, pistons look like new. :shrug:

[mazspeed]

A moment of silence for the fallen crank.. she led a short, but.. well a short life.

If I went 30 under it MIGHT be ok.. 30.. :willy:

Still no idea what killed it. The heads and valvetrain are perfect, pistons look like new. :shrug:

You lost the crank already? What crank was it?

[Steve1968LS2]

You lost the crank already? What crank was it?

Stock crank..

In positive news I found a local crank from another LS2 (pull-out) for $500.. Could be worse I guess.

If it was easy everyone would do it.. lol

[mazspeed]

Stock crank..

In positive news I found a local crank from another LS2 (pull-out) for $500.. Could be worse I guess.

If it was easy everyone would do it.. lol
Ouch. Yeah, but at least the engine is not fried.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Stock crank..

In positive news I found a local crank from another LS2 (pull-out) for $500.. Could be worse I guess.

If it was easy everyone would do it.. lol

Damn sorry to hear that Steve! Glad to hear the rest of the motor is good to go. And thanks again for the mag coverage :thumbsup:

[Steve1968LS2]

Damn sorry to hear that Steve! Glad to hear the rest of the motor is good to go. And thanks again for the mag coverage :thumbsup:

No problem on the coverage. See, it's easy to get in a magazine. :)

Ouch. Yeah, but at least the engine is not fried.

Yea, and after a mad scramble I found one from a local builder (one pulled from a crate engine) for $175...

That's not too bad. Should have the engine back together by mid-day Thursday. :)

[Steve1968LS2]

These look fine.. don't ya think? :yes:

http://picsorban.com/upload/messed1.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/messed2.jpg

[zbugger]

Those look just fine.... For a motor run with no oil. Good god man!!! Is there any way to make sure the oil galley isn't blocked in any way to make sure that doesn't happen again?

[Steve Chryssos]

Turbos.....:_paranoid

[Steve Chryssos]

Needs two turbos :yes:

[Ricochet]

Sorry to hear your troubles Steve.


Needs two turbos :yes:


It's always fun spending other peoples' money!! :D

[Steve1968LS2]

Those look just fine.... For a motor run with no oil. Good god man!!! Is there any way to make sure the oil galley isn't blocked in any way to make sure that doesn't happen again?

Yep, everything has been thouroughly cleaned, inspected, cleaned and redone. The oil pump has been rebuilt, ported and double checked.

The oil pan has been tanked, scrubbed and checked over.

The factory oil pump seemed a little wacked. the valve was sticky. Hard to know for sure at this point. I will send the cam to COMP so they can check it out.

We may never know what happened but we are going on the principle of "replacing everything it could have been" :)

Hey, it's a learning experience and will make getting the car done that much sweeter. (I tell myself that as part of my therapy.. lol )

[Steve1968LS2]

Needs two turbos :yes:

Now that I know how easy it is to pull the engine I'm thinking that a little FI might be in order down the line to "liven things up" :unibrow:

Right now I just need her done for her date with the Super Chevy cameras..

[Musclerodz]

Dad to hear, sounds like a very dry start. Any warranty from GM on a new LS2? Probably was damaged on the intial fire. Too tight tolerances will kill one. Of all the issues I am hearing with GM crate motors I am growing less fond of them.

Mike

[trapin]

Wow...I can't believe just a little bit of low oil pressure can chew the hell out of a crankshaft like that. Sorry to hear that, Steve. But that's hotroddin' for ya. Two steps forward, five steps back. I'll be watching my oil system closely on my LS1 as a result of this.

[Steve1968LS2]

Dad to hear, sounds like a very dry start. Any warranty from GM on a new LS2? Probably was damaged on the intial fire. Too tight tolerances will kill one. Of all the issues I am hearing with GM crate motors I am growing less fond of them.

Mike

I don't think the warranty applies if you swap heads, cam and intake then dyno flog it.. lol -- sorta hard to blame GM.

We had TONS of oil pressure on the engine dyno. Then again all it takes is one pull where it drops. Engines blow up, it's in there nature. The whole process of an engine working is extremely violent if you think about it, it's nearly amazing that they work as well as they do.

Should have the engine back together today and back in the car tomorrow. In a month it will just be a "funny story" that I can tell when I'm out cruising around the Camaro.

[Musclerodz]

I don't think the warranty applies if you swap heads, cam and intake then dyno flog it.. lol -- sorta hard to blame GM.

We had TONS of oil pressure on the engine dyno. Then again all it takes is one pull where it drops. Engines blow up, it's in there nature. The whole process of an engine working is extremely violent if you think about it, it's nearly amazing that they work as well as they do.

Should have the engine back together today and back in the car tomorrow. In a month it will just be a "funny story" that I can tell when I'm out cruising around the Camaro.
Didn't remember the dyno. Was anything changed or modified on the motor from dyno to car? Like the oil pan where pump depth might have been altered?

Mike

[Mean 69]

Holy moly!!!! That'll get your attention. I'm guessing that you didn't ahve the ability to tank the block out, i.e. boil the heck out of all of the galleys, etc? I'd be checking the break-in oil big time if you didn't have the op' to tank it all out. Run it, change it, run it, change it....

Every car has a story I guess, some more than others.

Steve, please check your pm's.
Mark

[Steve1968LS2]

Holy moly!!!! That'll get your attention. I'm guessing that you didn't ahve the ability to tank the block out, i.e. boil the heck out of all of the galleys, etc? I'd be checking the break-in oil big time if you didn't have the op' to tank it all out. Run it, change it, run it, change it....

Every car has a story I guess, some more than others.

Steve, please check your pm's.
Mark

The block was steam cleaned at the shop next door, cleaned some more then steamed again. Every part was cleaned and re-cleaned. We will run some dino oil through it on start up then then drain and refill.

I did name her BAD Penny.. I guess she's earning it. lol

[Steve1968LS2]

Didn't remember the dyno. Was anything changed or modified on the motor from dyno to car? Like the oil pan where pump depth might have been altered?

Mike

We added an f-body oil pan, pick-up tube and windage tray. I guess there could have been some sort of contamination. We did clean it good though.

Could of a been a problem that started on the dyno and got worse, hard to say.

[novanutcase]

These look fine.. don't ya think? :yes:

http://picsorban.com/upload/messed1.jpg

http://picsorban.com/upload/messed2.jpg

OH ****!!!!! WTF??? How did this happen?? Sorry to hear about this! Was there some sort of contamination when you installed the cam? Oil galley blocked?

BTW....thanks so much for the coverage! You and Johnny went WAY beyond what I would have ever expected!(Where do I send the hookers?:unibrow: :lol: )

John

[Steve1968LS2]

BTW....thanks so much for the coverage! You and Johnny went WAY beyond what I would have ever expected!(Where do I send the hookers?:unibrow: :lol: )

John

PM me for the shipping addy for the hookers.. be sure to poke holes in the box to let air in. :unibrow:

[novanutcase]

PM me for the shipping addy for the hookers.. be sure to poke holes in the box to let air in. :unibrow:

Actually, I was just going to leave two holes in the box but not so much for air! What? Who said Glory Hole!??!!:rofl:

John

[Steve1968LS2]

PENNY LIVES!!! AGAIN!!!! lol

We got the new motor stabbed back in today and fired up. almost 60psi on start up so the oil pressure is golden.

Fired right up too and ran nice. A little righ I'm sure.

Chassis dyno set for next Thursday, then align and Super Chevy photo shoot.

So close..

The slight detour of rebuilding the engine is past, and we did it without f'ing up the firewall or stuff.

:woot:

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Congrats!:thumbsup:

Getting it in and out without F'ing up anything is a great thing to!

[XcYZ]

Actually, I was just going to leave two holes in the box but not so much for air! What? Who said Glory Hole!??!!:rofl:

John

LMAO!

[mazspeed]

That's great news Steve. :thumbsup:

[slck6t9]

That's great to here Steve. I bet it makes it nice knowing you have a good crew you can count on..

[novanutcase]

Great News Steve! BTW...do you guys have an office in Los Angeles off of Wilshire?? IF so can you PM me the addy and suite #?

John

[Steve1968LS2]

Great News Steve! BTW...do you guys have an office in Los Angeles off of Wilshire?? IF so can you PM me the addy and suite #?

John

I don't have the addy but I can get it. It's the office where Hot Rod, Car Craft and Chevy High are located.

[Payton King]

What no victory lap around the parking lot or cool video? How about a shot of relief on your face?

Congrats on the thrash, you have definitley been burning up the midnight oil.

Can't wait to hear how she drives