Update time!!

[awr68]

Well after some now or never thinking I decided to add an intercooler. I didn't have the money for a Ron Davis IC so I had to get creative and after many late nights of searching the net I mad a choice to use a Treadstone IC...I feel it's the best bang for the buck and that's what I was after.

This perticular model flows just under 1500cfm which works for me as my ProCharger P1SC max is 1200cfm. It's off the shelf and basically bolts right in! Also I was able to use the stock hood latch and latch brace with a little modification to the brace. All in all I'm very pleased with the outcome and can't wait to plumb it!! :D

I'm thinking of painting it black so it wont stand out...any ideas on what the best process would be? Powder coat, Paint, ect.?

[GeoffP]

It looks very nice - made for a clean fit. If it were me and I was going to paint it, I would scuff all the smooth parts with a scotch brite pad, shoot on some epoxy primer, and paint it whatever shade of black. The epoxy should help with the bond to aluminum and provide a good base for the paint.

I would love to know particulars on your LT1. Do you have a website or maybe a specific post I can look at?

Great project BTW. I love seeing someone doing something different when it seems everyone is doing LSx based engines.

GeoffP
68 Camaro LT1/T56
87 Camaro LT1/4L60E

[Streetking]

Looks great Anthony.

SW

[awr68]

Thanks Guys!

Geoff, sorry no web page at the moment but here's a quick run down. It's a 96 crate motor that was never used and I got a great deal on it. I was going to go n/a but then got the bug to add the ProCharger (thanks Frank!). So now I have a forged bottom end from Scat and had Diamond build some blower pistons to lower the CR to 8.5:1. Everything has been balanced but I'm waiting to finish the fab work on the car to assemble the motor. I haven't bought the new valve train yet, but most likely will be replacing the Hot Cam that's in it now. The intake is an Accel DFI part that Jody had modded to work on a LT1 and I got the Wilson Manifolds elbow and TB from Jody as well. I have Stainless Works 1-7/8" long tub headers on order. ATI set up the blower for 600hp non-intercooled, now that I have an IC I could add more boost if I wanted. Basically, I would like to see 600rwhp as I've been told that's really the limit of usuable power and I'm not going for bragging rights...just (hopefully) a reliable and powerfull package.

Spark is controlled by MSD products, and I use a Holley Commander 950 w/ wide band O2.

I have a T56 w/ Hurst shifter and McLeod clutch and flywheel.

Well there's more to it, but that's the basics! :)

Thanks again guys for the kind words!!

[awr68]

Man over 160 views and 2 replies...tuff room!! No other ideas on how to make it/keep it black? :(

[wiedemab]

Could it be anodized black??????

I'd hate to build up too much of any kind of coating material - it will effect it's heat transfer capabilities.


Later,

Brandon

[Flash68]

Anthony, that looks great! What a nice clean fit. :thumbsup:

Looks like a great deal for less than half the price of some of those other IC's...

I too am curious if a powdercoat would be better/worse vs. paint or anodizing... Wish I had the answer! :question:

[p_call]

I agree with wiedemab, I would look into having it anodized. It would be a thinner layer than paint or powder coating. Should have less effect on your heat transfer.

[awr68]

I was talking with jp and he recommended anodizing it for the reasons you guys mentioned. It is all aluminum and it can be done so I think I will look into this option more....hope it can be done for a fair price!!

[jack67rs]

looks good, wonder what it would run to anodize it black? what are your plans for plumbing? Is it an rs front end?

[awr68]

looks good, wonder what it would run to anodize it black? what are your plans for plumbing? Is it an rs front end?


I will be using all 3" plumbing, not sure what material yet though...haven't decided what finish I want in the end. I have to decide soon though! :)

I will be routing the inlet threw the core support and the outlet will fit perfectly under the core support next to the frame. This is nice since I can still mount the radiator catch can and a/c drier (back to back) on the c/s.

I have a standard front end.

Are you thinking of adding an IC?

[tyoneal]

I'd leave it the way it is:

1) Maximize Cooling
2) Put money where it shows, or makes more power

My $.02,

Ty

[ArisESQ]

if you really want it black i think you may have to annodize it.
i know paint and powdercoat will affect how well the fins actually transfer heat, so you wont want to do that....

[mdprovee]

Looks good Anthony. I just got a P1sc also have have been looking into intercooling it. Looks like a nice option. Do you have any contact info?

Found them, thanks though.

[jack67rs]

Anthony, I had an IC, but with the rs grill the headlight doors really screwed with the way I was going to plumb it. I'm only running 8-9 psi and so far it works fine the way it is. I used two stainless donuts on mine, one 3" out of the blower and a 3.5" on the inlet side ducted to the other side of the inner fender.

[sc68z28]

I think they look cool unpainted.:yes: Yours sure fits nice:thumbsup: .

Here's mine.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/sc68z28/proof1.jpg

---Bill.

[awr68]

Anthony, I had an IC, but with the rs grill the headlight doors really screwed with the way I was going to plumb it. I'm only running 8-9 psi and so far it works fine the way it is. I used two stainless donuts on mine, one 3" out of the blower and a 3.5" on the inlet side ducted to the other side of the inner fender.

Jack your ducting looks great! Did you TIG it and then gring down the welds...it looks seemless!! Did you have to build the transition at the TB? If so I bet that was a slow process!! Did you bead roll the end of the tubing?

Your car really turned out nice!! :thumbsup:

[awr68]

I think they look cool unpainted.:yes: Yours sure fits nice:thumbsup: .

Here's mine.

---Bill.

Looks good Bill! Who built that IC? Got any more pics/specs??

[sc68z28]

Looks good Bill! Who built that IC? Got any more pics/specs??

Thank you, it's a Procharger 3" 3 row, race.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/sc68z28/1-01-07002.jpg

---Bill.

[jonny51]

Anthony,mine is painted black.It should be running shortly,I will let you know if there are any problems but I doubt there will be.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/907rs/DSC01943_00.jpg

[Flash68]

I think they look cool unpainted.:yes: Yours sure fits nice:thumbsup: .

Here's mine.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/sc68z28/proof1.jpg

---Bill.

Bill, I think that looks pretty damn sharp that way! :thumbsup:

Would you mind providing the width of that intercooler?

thanks

[awr68]

Bill, thanks, I looked into that IC as well. Have you had it on a Dyno yet? We need more pics and info on your car...it looks like it would haul ass!! What SC is that P1SC? And how much boost?

Jonny, that would be great, thanks!! Does this mean the car is out of paint and being assembled?

[clill]

If you are on a budget you could just take it to a radiator shop and have them paint it with that water thin black paint they use. I would not powder coat it.

[sc68z28]

Bill, Have you had it on a Dyno yet? We need more pics and info on your car...it looks like it would haul ass!! What SC is that P1SC? And how much boost?


The last chassis dyno was done with small tube (1 5/8") headers and only a 2 1/2" exhaust sys, it also had a valve floot problem at 6200 rpm, thats all fixed now. At 14.6# boost it made 712rwhp with the old Edelbrock EFI sys.
It's currenly a FAST XFI with 72# injectors, the Procharger is the F1.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/sc68z28/dyno_1.jpg

There are more details in this CHP story
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a224/sc68z28/0609coverzoom1.jpg
http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/featuredvehicles/0609ch_1968_chevy_camaro_z28/

Drag racing has become my new passion, it's still a street car, but less of a G-car everyday. Traction has been a big problem, this vid will show that. At the end you will see it wheel hop and tear up the rear gear and suspension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICeq235yf4
---Bill.

[BThibodeaux]

I was talking with jp and he recommended anodizing it for the reasons you guys mentioned. It is all aluminum and it can be done so I think I will look into this option more....hope it can be done for a fair price!!


Be careful. The advice I have gotten from the folks at Ron Davis is that anodizing is not an option due to the cooling fins being too thin. They have seen several radiators ruined this way.

Epoxy primer with a top coat of paint is probably your best bet.

[mdprovee]

I like the black "option" better than the aluminum color behind the grille. Matches everything else. Please let us know how that works Jonny.

[jack67rs]

yeah anthony, everything was tigged and grinded down. The transition was hand formed with two 3.5" tubes cut in half and seamed down the midldle. no rolled ends, did'nt think it was necessary with the boost pressure and it's tight as hell on the pressure side. If it blows I'll weld a bead around the end.

[awr68]

All good info guys, thanks!!

[sc68z28]

Bill,
Would you mind providing the width of that intercooler?

thanks

It's 27" wide at the tanks, plus about an inch, each side for the hose connections. ---Bill.

[Flash68]

It's 27" wide at the tanks, plus about an inch, each side for the hose connections. ---Bill.

Thank you, Bill. Awesome car you have. I remember reading that article. :thumbsup:

[awr68]

My God Bill that car is wicked!!!

[sc68z28]

Thank you, Bill. :thumbsup:

Your welcome. Can't wait to see yours when it's done, it is coming along nicely:yes:
---Bill.

[sc68z28]

My God Bill that car is wicked!!!

Thank you. :_paranoid I feel like I hijacked your thread. ---Bill.

[awr68]

no worries!! :)

[Flash68]

Your welcome. Can't wait to see yours when it's done, it is coming along nicely:yes:
---Bill.

Thank you. If it comes out nearly as nice as yours I will be stoked! I just want it to be done so I can drive it with all this nice weather this winter has brought!

Thanks for chiming in on this thread. I know it has helped me a lot.

[Flash68]

Anthony, I just ordered the exact same IC as you did from Treadstone. Thanks for posting your install pics and showing what a nice fit that piece is! Helluva budget price too.

You figure out what, if at all, you are going to do about the color/finish on yours?

[XcYZ]

We need more pics. :D

[awr68]

If I go black I will probably use Charlie's advice and take it to a radiator shop as they have the proper paint. Anidizing is out, after hearing that Ron Davis doesn't recommend it....I have a lot of respect for RD and it they say don't do it, then don't do it. :)

Ordered all the plumbing materials the other day, so that project will happen real soon!!

[mdprovee]

Keep us updated, I am real interested in this as I am doing the same procharger, and thinking a intercooler too.

[wiedemab]

That's good info on not being able to anodize radiators and intercoolers. I guess I should have made sure everyone knew that I was throwing that out there as an option to be investigated. I had never done it, but it made sense theoretically. You know us dumb engineers - theoretical doesn't always translate into the real world!

I'm sure any coating will have some effect, but as long as it's applied as thinly as possible I'm sure it won't be a huge deal. I think the black will look great - it adds to the stealthiness (is that a word?)

Thanks for the anodizing info - Ron Davis would definitely know more about it than me!

Brandon

[SteveMcqueenRules]

krylon flat black

[mdprovee]

Any updates Anthony?

[awr68]

Mike, the IC plumbing is half way mocked up. I'm waiting on my harmonic balancer so I can line up the SC with the crank pulley. Also, I have a Mark VIII fan coming, I want that mounted as well before I finalize the routing of the plumbing. Both should be here early next week, then I can connect the plumbing from the IC to the motor!

I got my Stainless Works headers and mufflers Thursday. They are 1-7/8" and look like a sweet fit for stock steering, but I have a Unisteer rack and am having steering shaft issues. I'll have to reroute part of the #1 primary to fix this, but everything else looks good!

Also, I finished mocking up the interior and rolled it all the way out of the garage for the first time in over 5 years!

Looking to finish mock up soon and get it torn down and back on the rotisserie by summer!! My goal is to have the bottom and subframe painted by fall.

[GeoffP]

Wow - I REALLY like what you did with the center of the dash. It would be nice if someone made that panel as a weld in replacement (hint, hint!).

[awr68]

Wow - I REALLY like what you did with the center of the dash. It would be nice if someone made that panel as a weld in replacement (hint, hint!).

Thanks! You are the second member that has asked for one...the stock dash doesn't really allow for a din mount head unit to be installed correctly and I needed more gauges as well. So this is what I came up with. :)

[GeoffP]

I'd definitely be interested. My dash was already hacked up (believe it or not back in the 80's) to make a DIN unit fit. It looks like crap. I've been looking around trying to find a good solution. So far yours is (IMHO) the nicest looking and as it appears to me to be the most functional. I really like how you mounted the Vintage Air control too. Very nice!

[awr68]

I'll PM you so we can talk further...

[mdprovee]

Thanks for the update..I'll keep watching.

[mazspeed]

That looks mean. Keep us updated Anthony. :thumbsup:

[jonny51]

Nice work Anthony!

[Flash68]

That IC and piping, and everything else for that matter, is looking sweet! Great stance too..

[Musclerodz]

looks good, come along way since I was there. Unfortunately mine hasn't changed much with everything else going on right now.

Mike

[awr68]

Thanks for the kind words guys!!!

[awr68]

That IC and piping, and everything else for that matter, is looking sweet! Great stance too..

Thanks! Have you ordered your IC yet?

[awr68]

looks good, come along way since I was there. Unfortunately mine hasn't changed much with everything else going on right now.

Mike

Yeah it has changed a lot since you were over...for the good I hope! :)

Yours will happen in time...you have a lot on your plate at the moment!! :yes:

[Flash68]

Thanks! Have you ordered your IC yet?

Yup, and it just arrived at my builder's shop last week... exact same as yours. I am making a trip up to Carson City next week to check it out and my new Boze wheels and some other parts. Hope to have it all put together and running in a month.

Glad you are leading the way with the IC setup so I can copy cat. :_paranoid

[awr68]

Yup, and it just arrived at my builder's shop last week... exact same as yours. I am making a trip up to Carson City next week to check it out and my new Boze wheels and some other parts. Hope to have it all put together and running in a month.

Glad you are leading the way with the IC setup so I can copy cat. :_paranoid

Cool! You're well on your way now!! What wheels did you get?

[Flash68]

Cool! You're well on your way now!! What wheels did you get?


I am excited to see the car painted and wheels and tires on it. last time i saw it it was a mess and just a shell.

I got the Boze Tach wheels. This pic is one of mine mocked up on a diff 1st gen in the shop. Too darn shiny for me (polished). We are gonna look at powdercoating options when I am up there, or at least getting them brushed. Shoulda done that in the first place. Oh well...

hey what radiator did you get again? I need that next...

[awr68]

I am excited to see the car painted and wheels and tires on it. last time i saw it it was a mess and just a shell.

I got the Boze Tach wheels. This pic is one of mine mocked up on a diff 1st gen in the shop. Too darn shiny for me (polished). We are gonna look at powdercoating options when I am up there, or at least getting them brushed. Shoulda done that in the first place. Oh well...

hey what radiator did you get again? I need that next...

Those look good, I agree doing something diffeent with the centers will help though.

My radiator is from http://www.prcinc.com/ nice product for the price. I just received my Mark VIII fan last night and it fits very well to this radiator. Jody has used this setup a time r two himself. check out this car for pics. http://www.lateral-g.net/estel/

[Flash68]

Those look good, I agree doing something diffeent with the centers will help though.

My radiator is from http://www.prcinc.com/ nice product for the price. I just received my Mark VIII fan last night and it fits very well to this radiator. Jody has used this setup a time r two himself. check out this car for pics. http://www.lateral-g.net/estel/


Ok now I remember looking at PRC. Yeah that is a great price compared to many others. And if it worked in Don's car, no reason it shouldn't work well with my car.... (you know that is the motor I bought from Don, right?) :unibrow:

I have heard great things about that Mark VIII fan.

[awr68]

(you know that is the motor I bought from Don, right?) :unibrow:

I have heard great things about that Mark VIII fan.

Didn't know that...sweet!! Yeah that fan kicks ass!!

[Flash68]

Didn't know that...sweet!! Yeah that fan kicks ass!!

Yeah it came up for sale on here at just the right time. Was going to build a N/A 540, either carbed or EFI, but this was too good a deal to pass up, and was nearby.

I might have to go with that same fan too.

[Tim_in_NC]

Any updates (photos) on the plumbing of this IC setup?

Thanks,
TIM