Look at what we've been working on......

[CraigMorrison]

http://images20.fotki.com/v366/photos/4/453080/1755002/File0025w-vi.jpg

Just took pics for the 07 catalog yesterday, and couldn't wait to share this with you guys! Pricing will be out shortly. Enjoy the sneak peek!

[Mr.VENGEANCE]

whoa... maaan if the price is right!

[camcojb]

that looks great Craig. I assume first gen Camaro?


Jody

[CraigMorrison]

Yes it is.

[norcal68]

Craig,
Looks awesome, can't wait for the price. Hopefully, it is compatable with DSE or WD unit. One question, will we see any picture of the test mule you used to test this platform?

Thanks,

Sam

[CraigMorrison]

We will be taking installation photos on Friday of the installation into Matt's Camaro. It's already been test fit a number of times, just this time we will take pictures.

[Rick D]

:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: That is way cool looking. Can't wait to see the pricing and options. How big of a front wheel and tire will it take??

[XcYZ]

Glad to see it ready to go public, Craig. :thumbsup:

Any chance on getting a more detailed image of the trans crossmember?

[Jr]

Craig,
What do you expect this front end to do on the G meter?

[CraigMorrison]

Good question. It's definitely tough to speculate the performance, but I am guessing that it will be right there with the others out there.

[J2SpeedandCustom]

Really nice Craig! Can't wait to see pics of it in the car. :thumbsup:

What are you guys thinking about price range wise?

[Silver69Camaro]

Thanks for the compliments, guys.

The front end geometry used on the subframe is the same as used on Art & Craig's 3G Vette, which has the potential to break the 1g barrier. This subframe certainly holds the same potential, but it obviously will depend on your vehicle.

I haven't absolutely confirmed the max tire size of as yet, but from what I've tested so far, you can fit a BIG tire in there. I will probably know as of next week and I will update this post.

XcYZ,
I'll see what I can do about getting a more detailed view. That crossmember setup is designed the way it is such that 2.5" exhaust can be plumbed through without losing any ground clearance (which is at 5-6" depending on tire diameter), but will also allow the use of anything from a Richmond 6 speed to a T56 to a Powerglide.

[syborg tt]

More and More i am really considering a Camaro for my next project.

YOu guy's really are making some nice products.

PS - you also did a good job on TV last night.

[Diognes56]

:cool: :thumbsup:

David

[XcYZ]

What is the track width on it?

[Stuart Adams]

Nice piece. Will it work with LSX and stock AC brackets without modifying?

[Sales@Dutchboys]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!

[71Nova]

Nice Craig!! That looks great. If it is lower in price than the DSE sub you will sell a lot of them. Good to see morrison coming out with products aimed at the pro touring world instead of the drag race world. Way cool!!

[Ummgawa]

Price wize, can we get a group purchase going? :D If you have ever seen me I am group unto myself.

[jeff hanson]

Yeah, what they said. :bow:

[Van B]

How about something that will accept DSE suspension, maybe like Scott has? :unibrow:

[slownova]

im assuming thats c5 vette suspention? so 07 zo6 brakes will bolt up nicely eh?

[Datsbad]

im assuming thats c5 vette suspention? so 07 zo6 brakes will bolt up nicely eh?

Most likely I would think ?
Man I cant wait to get one of these!

[awr68]

Very nice Craig!! I think I need one!! Will it accept the DSE arms, and if so will it maintain the same geometry as using the C5 parts?? :thumbsup:

[Steve Chryssos]

Looks great Craig. There is obviously room for some fat tires with good turning radius.

[radrambler]

craig

nice new camaro peice...too bad i dont have one...hehe
really
nice job on the sema interview with the vette....that car loooks awesome!!

radrambler

[DocDave]

Wow. Sweet looking. If I had a Camaro I am sure I would enjoy it even more.

[Steve Chryssos]

craig

nice new camaro peice...too bad i dont have one...hehe....

Naw, you can make it fit Tom.
/S

[CraigMorrison]

We are taking more pics tomorrow morning of the clip installed in Matt's 69. I'll post some "installed" pics later in the day.

[Silver69Camaro]

The hub track width is slightly wider than stock Camaros, to 60 1/2". My goal is the keep scrub low to minimize feedback, but not too low. I had it originally set the hub track at 61 1/2", but found you'd have to buy some high $$$ wheels, due to the deep offset, to make things fit. With this track width, we can have the best of both worlds: Good geometry, and affordable wheels.

Initial fitament of a F-body 2001 LS1 engine & trans showed the alternator clears the steering rack. The AC compressor will be installed on the motor today to make sure that fits without modifications. I was very pleased to see that our customers would not have to purchase expensive accessory brackets to make their LSX fit. :yes:

Any 1997+ Corvette brake setup will fit this suspension. Anything from high end Brembos to budget oriented C5 brakes will work, and will give people the oportunity to start small and upgrade later if they need to.

I don't have any details on DSE's control arms to say if they'd work with this subframe. This uses stock C5/C6 control arms & knuckles, so any replacement will fit. I would advise caution, however, since the geometry used on this system is NOT stock C5/C6...it has been modified to better match a F/X-Body's characteristics, and ultimately better performance and driver feel. Any suspension components produced to modify stock C5 geometry will probably adversely effect this subframe's geometry.

I hope this answers some of your questions...and please keep 'em coming! :thumbsup:

[slownova]

$$$$$$$

[Rob07002]

Matt will regular backspacing work. ei 4.5 - 4.75"?

[rwhite692]

Nice!

I would be interested in a version that would allow me to use "stock replacement" type tubular upper and lower A-Arms such as DSE, GW, Speedtech, Hotchkiss, etc with coilovers.

Not everyone wants to run the C4/5 stuff.

[Van B]

Nice!

I would be interested in a version that would allow me to use "stock replacement" type tubular upper and lower A-Arms such as DSE, GW, Speedtech, Hotchkiss, etc with coilovers.

Not everyone wants to run the C4/5 stuff.

This is what I was getting at with my earlier post....

[awr68]

Yeah many of us have all the suspension parts and just need the frame and perhaps a rack. I have DSE arms, QA1 c/o's, and a Unisteer rack...

[Rybar]

Nice job Craig, and you guys are pretty close to me. Maybe a future upgrade.... :unibrow: Also interested if it can accept aftermarket arms :thumbsup:

[23corner_blitz]

http://images20.fotki.com/v366/photos/4/453080/1755002/File0025w-vi.jpg

Just took pics for the 07 catalog yesterday, and couldn't wait to share this with you guys! Pricing will be out shortly. Enjoy the sneak peek!


:drool:


you wouldn't happen to be donating one to a poor college student, would you ;) ;)

[kaptainkw]

I want the first one off the line! When can I come pick it up??? Seriously! Just don't abuse us on price... please!

:unibrow:

[Blake Foster]

For sure a standard 4 - 4.5 BS wheel will not fit, not only that but the suspension is designed for about a 45-50 mm positive off set
so a 8.5" wheel 6.5 to 7 BS. a 4.5 BS would adversly change the scrub way too much ( i have this argument with my partner alllll the time he always wants a bigger lip on the front wheel and it is really not possible) we have built frames with c5 and made them narrower than AM will and i know you make the bump steer worse but when your putting C5 into a 66Nova i think the trade off of a little bump steer is worth the upgrade, besides if the rack goes in the optomimum position it is not that bad our last one we ended up with .071 deg of toe change in 1.0 inches of travel and .157 toe out @ 2" of compression ant the track width is 53.5"

[Beach Cruiser]

Any Chance you'll be producing one that will support the C4 stuff?

[Blake Foster]

I bet the answer will be the "C4 stuff is too wide. it is a good 6-8 inches wider than the C5 stuff and that is just the lengths of the arms and the knuckle is also wider.

[CraigMorrison]

Well we had our photographer shoot some pics of the LS engine with all accessories bolted in place and 265's lock to lock with plenty of clearence. Will post a few more teazer shots on Monday.

For those who have been asking, we are planning on offering this with C5 components only. We are also looking into the posibility of Pontiac engine mounts for the Poncho crowd.

Pricing is still being worked on, but we're trying to keep it very close to Wayne Due's price point. It should put us smack in the middle of the range. Some less expensive, some more expensive. More info when available.....

Thanks for all the feedback, we really appreciate it! :thumbsup:

[Bowtieracing]

Thank you Craig and Silver69camaro for really really good looking frame!!!

I cant wait to get more details and pictures :yes: How wide front wheels can be used?

Yes! I want one!!!

[CraigMorrison]

Here's a folder I put on my Fotki site. More info in Jan on the AME site.
Subframe pics (http://public.fotki.com/CraigMorrison/1st-gen-camaro-fron/)

[Datsbad]

that is very sweet , I will take 2 !
Craig PM me when you can .

[comp-spec]

I'll take 1

[rwhite692]

Looks like Craig was kind enough to post some "Installed" Shots, as he had promised:

http://public.fotki.com/CraigMorrison/1st-gen-camaro-fron/installed-shots/

Looks good Craig! :thumbsup:

[Silver69Camaro]

As you can tell, there is plenty of room for the AC compressor. As I've said before, this subframe allows the use of the common F-body LS1 engine accessory mounting, so expensive aftermarket brackets are not needed. :thumbsup:

[Beegs]

Matt or Craig,
Any idea on delivery dates? Not looking to hold you to a specific date, just looking for a rough time frame. TIA

[Silver69Camaro]

Matt or Craig,
Any idea on delivery dates? Not looking to hold you to a specific date, just looking for a rough time frame. TIA

Sure, we're looking at late January so far. Currently we're getting headers made, so that option will be available. Everything is proceeding smoothly and on schedule.

[XcYZ]

Matt, what header options are you guys putting together? SBC, BBC, LSx, LS7, etc?

[Beegs]

Sure, we're looking at late January so far. Currently we're getting headers made, so that option will be available. Everything is proceeding smoothly and on schedule.

Thx Matt

Are these being made on the new bender? Just curious.

[Silver69Camaro]

Yep! These are indeed on the new bender. The capability on this new machine is amazing and opens up the door for some new projects that we couldn't do before.

Currently, header options will be SBC, BBC, and LSX. If you are using an LS7 or a dry sump deal, let Craig or I know.

[Beegs]

Yep! These are indeed on the new bender. The capability on this new machine is amazing and opens up the door for some new projects that we couldn't do before.

Currently, header options will be SBC, BBC, and LSX. If you are using an LS7 or a dry sump deal, let Craig or I know.

Sweet! I was hoping you would say that! :thumbsup:

[Rick D]

Any idea of pricing yet? Is there going to be a list that we can get on for when they are ready to be sold?

Thanks :thumbsup:

[CraigMorrison]

Rick- pricing should be finished (I'm out of the office right now, so I will check on that in the next day or so)......as far as a list, please either PM me your phone# or give our tech guys a ring and leave your details with them. The goal is to have production pieces available at the end of Jan 07. The biggest hurdle was sorting out our new bender, and that has been done. Hope this helps!

[Rick D]

PM Sent :thumbsup:

[comp-spec]

Can u run bags with that subframe??

[Silver69Camaro]

PM Sent :thumbsup:

Craig is out of town at the moment, he will be back soon!

Comp,
Are you asking if you can put air bags on our setup? I don't know of any kits currently available for that, but it may be possible. One of the small Shockwaves may fit, I haven't investigated that area.

[1970cuda]

Sorry to ask a Ford question but will your Corvette front clips be able to welded into a 67-68 mustang?
Thank you

[comp-spec]

Craig is out of town at the moment, he will be back soon!

Comp,
Are you asking if you can put air bags on our setup? I don't know of any kits currently available for that, but it may be possible. One of the small Shockwaves may fit, I haven't investigated that area.

Yes, Im looking into changing the front subframe (fatman now) on the 67 camaro and were running airbags on that car

[cluxford]

Craig,

Just sent you a PM on this...interested in a right hand drive version if possible

[TBART70]

is a seond gen frame prt of your plans

[Silver69Camaro]

is a seond gen frame prt of your plans

Possibly.