I guess the word is out ! . . . . .

['Crockett]

I have been developing some Billet core support bars for some time now, and am very close to releasing them for sale.

Several people have been given a preview of them for purposes of getting imput on the final product . . . . . . now I see this:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=6482

The simillarities in styling are just too great to assume a coincidence here. I am sorry that my first post here has to be under these circumstances but right now I am almost speechless that this has happened.

I guess I must congratulate Twist on getting them to market first . . . . . .

Here are the pictures of my pre-production units.

I have put alot of time and effort into this project only to be . . . . . well, you be the judge . . . . 'Crockett

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/Crockettpix/spars004.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/Crockettpix/spars002.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/Crockettpix/spars003.jpg

[frankenstang]

Yeah- you got scooped. I would remake them like some kind of turnbucle setup. I can't imagine the attachment brackets in my head. But solid aluminum bar stock with small rod ends would be cool. I'm not a Camaro guy (yet) so I don't know if it's already been done. The Stang guys have strut tower bars with the solid bar and rod end all over the place.
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[camcojb]

I have been developing some Billet core support bars for some time now, and am very close to releasing them for sale.

Several people have been given a preview of them for purposes of getting imput on the final product . . . . . . now I see this:

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=6482

The simillarities in styling are just too great to assume a coincidence here. I am sorry that my first post here has to be under these circumstances but right now I am almost speechless that this has happened.



I have put alot of time and effort into this project only to be . . . . . well, you be the judge . . . . 'Crockett








They are similar in that they are straight and bolt down on each end, but then again any support made as a direct replacement will be the same. As far as design I don't think they copy yours at all.

Yours:



http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j75/Crockettpix/spars002.jpg

Steves:

http://homepage.mac.com/streetfytr/.Pictures/Posting/DSCN1348.JPG

[Van B]

Actually I like the look of yours better. Clean look from the top.

[Steve1968LS2]

Stylistically they are very different. Functionally they are identical but as was said, how different can you make them and still have them bolt on?

I'm sure the market is big enough for both. Some will prefer your styling and some the ones from Twist Machine.

To be honest I'm surprised someone just now came out with this product.. it's a pretty obvious concept.

Your's look very nice.

And I would resist the urge to call "shenanigans" unless you know for sure.. :yes:

[z4me69]

to be honest i like yours alot better

[rocketrod]

...I'm sure the market is big enough for both. Some will prefer your styling and some the ones from Twist Machine.

To be honest I'm surprised someone just now came out with this product.. it's a pretty obvious concept.
I also believe Ring Brothers is developing a brace also.

[fatlife]

personally I think they are unecessary in the first place, even the stock ones. Second it still blows my mind how much money people spend on useless "bling" parts. I felt the same about the hood hinges, but at least those do something. Whats next? billet inner fenders? aluminum is the new chrome

[Bill Howell]

personally I think they are unecessary in the first place, even the stock ones. Second it still blows my mind how much money people spend on useless "bling" parts. I felt the same about the hood hinges, but at least those do something. Whats next? billet inner fenders? aluminum is the new chrome

Maybe chrome solid radiator hoses..... :rofl:


I know for a fact Twist has been working on these for over 6 months, and Steve was talking about them last year at SEMA.

I also know Steve well enough to know he would not copy someone's idea over a $200 or less part.

[XcYZ]

Whats next? billet inner fenders? aluminum is the new chrome

Sure, I would agree with that, aluminum is the new chrome. It is what it is though, some people want it, some people hate it. No different than any other aftermarket piece really.

Billet inner fenders? No. Carbon fiber.

[Bill Howell]

Billet inner fenders?????
That would be a polishing nightmare. I say lets anodize em first.... :thumbsup:

No wait, that would defeat the purpose.....

Now, carbon fiber, that might be the ticket, with massaged areas front and rear for the new DSE frame and others......KYLE, WHERE ARE YOU....lol

[fatlife]

hey, my rad hoses are stainless, and are functional, self-made, and didn't cost anywhere near $200 :mad: so therefore they are usefull bling :D Kinda like your beer-belly, costs a lot to fill up, but gives you a nice place to rest your next beer on :_paranoid

[Bill Howell]

No, the belly is different, more like a set of headers that hang to low. It drags if you are not careful. Difference is, it has flex built in so you don't bend it up. :rofl:

Stainless radiator hoses? My kinda bling, no polishing required.

[71Nova]

Stevo would not have copied those parts. He has more integrity than that.

[Steve Chryssos]

The simillarities in styling are just too great to assume a coincidence here. I am sorry that my first post here has to be under these circumstances but right now I am almost speechless that this has happened.


We didn't copy your part. I have never seen your part before this post. Similarities are based on the fact that is is a long narrow part that is CNC machined using common tools and practices (i.e. slots).

I guess I must congratulate Twist on getting them to market first . . . . . .


Thank you. We're very proud. Let this should serve as a valuable lesson to you. Your part has not been copied until it is ACTUALLY a part. Spilling the beans to a few people is not the same as design, investment and production of actual products.

While I owe you absolutely nothing, I will be glad to provide a list of people--well known industry people--whom I spoke with about this product. They will confirm that we had this idea about a year ago and had a prototype at the beginning of the summer.

Maybe that will help. Or maybe you will be content in the fact that two people had the same idea--which helps confirm that it is in fact a good idea. Those Mororo chrome fender struts have been sold for 30 years and no one bothered to make a set out of billet--FOR 30 YEARS!! Trust me, you and I are not rocket scientists for developing this part. It has literally been staring everyone in the face since the popularization of the CNC machine.

Sorry to ruin your day, but this is a coincidence. You are not the first person to cut a slot into a long narrow piece of aluminum. Deal with it. Oh and by the way, nice rad support cover. Did you invent that too?

[jimhamptons]

Steve has talked with me about doing these for at least 6 months.

[Bowtieracing]

I think you both own me some credit building solid aluminium fender bars at 1990 to my "pro then" trans am . I did smooth em to look like machined surface. Wery cool back then because everybody else had chorme parts under the hood.

How about that - 17 years ago :P
http://www.bowtie-racing.com/cars/79transam/images/79transam.jpg

[61Bubbletop]

Personally, I would have to give my design nod to the Twist part, I think the other example looks too much like my aluminum level ...but both will find a market, and kudos to both of you for tapping an untouched area of the market.

Fatlife, There is nothing wrong with someone wanting to have thier car stand out through the use of different parts that are available out there. I find it ironic that you state, consistently I might add, "it still blows my mind how much money people spend on useless "bling" parts". Looking at the picture of your car, you have billet valve covers, aluminum brackets, braided heater hoses, billet air cleaner, stainless hoses etc etc... it is a very nice car, I really like it, but with the exception of the brackets moving accessories, all of those can fall under the category of "useless bling" and it doesn't matter if they cost less than $200.00, it still falls in the same category.....and your car is by no means lo-buck.

While I am glad you are a contributing member to the site I truly think you have a serious "us vs. them" mentality. Just because a guy can afford to put these types of parts on HIS car doesn't make it wrong, or useless or whatever...it is just different and its OK. You appear to be constantly critical of everything people post that you don't agree with. I am not saying I expect everyone to, in your words, be a "leg-humper" but many of your comments, not all but many, appear to me to come across as pretty insulting, but always followed with a compliment to make it "OK"...of course, this site would be boring if we all agreed as well. Doesn't really matter either way, but that is just the way I see it. Variety is the spice of life, and life would be boring if our cars all looked the same. :thumbsup:

[Ummgawa]

I guess I should pipe in here, so I am pipeing in. If you have been here more than a little while you know what I mean. Steevo I think yours are trick. Excellent idea.

[Bill Howell]

Jim,
You better be getting your fatass on a plane shortly. I am sitting here now waiting on the one for big boys. See ya soon. :thumbsup:

[clill]

What do these fender braces weigh compared to the stock ones ? And if either of you need them produced in quantity...I know a guy......

['Crockett]

streetfytr68,

Thank you for your response, I now know what your development time line was and where it began to parallel mine . . . .

I feel no need to further debate this . . . I stated the facts as I know them in my first post and you have chosen to post a response. Both sides have made their statements now and any further debate may just cause the thread to deterorate into insults and name calling . . . . I am above that.

Oh and by the way, nice rad support cover. Did you invent that too?

I'm sorry you have chosen to go that direction already . . . . I choose to not participate . . . . .


Have a great day . . good luck at SEMA. . . .


'Crockett

[68protouring454]

"you chose not to participate"
how the heck do you say that when in your first post you say you have been duped?? when you had no idea when twist machine started the deign process on these, but then when they beat you too it you come on a site you do not belong too and call twist machine out?? but you chose not to participate uh???
dude get a life

[camcojb]

since both sides had their say, and we all know where this is heading now, let's lock it up.


Jody