67 Firebird - Project start date 1981

[CanyonRider]

Yes, it was May 1981. I was 16yrs old - car shopping with $500 in my pocket. I found a early 70s Torino with a 351, 4-spd that had been hit in the front and needed a grill and fender. The guy wanted $500 – I passed – I would live to regret that decision. Then I found a 67 Firebird that a father/son team had started restoring. They got as far as taking it apart. It didn’t run, the interior was in boxes, it was multi-color primer. They assured me it was all there, the engine ran and it was a solid car – they wanted $300 – delivered. I bought it. I have been known to say MANY times since that fateful day that I had over paid for the car. Haha!

It took me most of that summer to put it back together and get it running, but by the first day of my senior year of HS, here it was!

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Notice the sheepskin on the rear package tray and the black euro side mirror my girlfriend bought for me.

After 20 years of use, abuse, autocrossing, breaking and fixing, I parked it where it sat another 20yrs – until last week. I dragged it out of the barn and pushed it up onto the lift. So here she is – needing A LOT of attention.

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I don’t have a long build sheet that I’ve been dreaming up for years. I don’t really have much of a plan nor a set budget. Almost certainly the worst possible way to start a project - but have built a few cars and I know myself pretty well and I know what keeps me motivated. I like to get a car running, drive it, maybe track it, then work on it for a couple months, then drive it some more – rinse and repeat. This is clearly not the most efficient way to get to the final destination, but I know I can’t spend years working on a project without driving and enjoying it. Driving the car and taking it to the track motivates me to keep working on it and inspires me with new ideas. So I’ll preface this build with – You probably shouldn’t do it this way, but we’re gonna have a good time!

The first order of business is to drop the tank, rearend and rear suspension. We have some structural issues to address.

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Stay tuned!
CR

[CanyonRider]

It was a perfect day to work in the shop with the doors open! I removed the fuel tank. I believe this is about the only thing I have never removed before on this car. A look inside yielded a pleasant surprise – there was only about a quart of old gas in it and most of the tank looks pretty shiny and clean. I had assumed I’d be replacing it but looks like it will clean up nicely!

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The trunk floor appears to be quite solid.

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Next was dropping the rearend. It’s an original Pontiac unit with a worn out posi and factory dual traction bars – I always thought this was very cool! It also has a VSE, Herb Adams, rear swaybar that I installed back in the 90s. Everything came apart pretty well – only one clip-on captive nut that I had to cut off.

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I mentioned structural issues. Back in 1981, being a youngster, I didn’t know what to look for when buying a 12yr old muscle car and there was no Carfax or Internet back then, so it wasn’t long after I owned it that I discovered it had been hit pretty hard in the rear. The rear valance had a ½ inch of bondo on it, the rear frame rails were kinked and cracked and as I learned today, the fuel tank support structure is pretty F’ed up too.


Passenger side frame rail
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You can see when I installed the swaybar brackets, it took a stack of washers because the frame rail was so deformed.

Driver side
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Passenger side tank support - notice it is pulled down from the trunk floor.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/Firebird/i-86B2mR3/0/52e3d626/XL/IMG_20200426_155124-XL.jpg


Driver side - notice the deformation of the floor.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Cars/Firebird/i-SDDP9hz/0/b0554ca9/XL/IMG_20200426_155147-XL.jpg


So yeah, we got that going for us!

Next steps will be to remove the shocks and swaybar brackets and begin the fun known as – wait for it – cleaning and degreasing!

More to come!
CR

[Spiffav8]

Oh this is going to be epic. :popcorn2:

[andrewb70]

In for updates!

Andrew

[shelteredV]

I smirked at the can-do attitude of shimming the sway bar mounts out away from the crumpled frame. You are certainly going to have some fun with this and have a sweet ride when you're done! Keep it coming-:knokwood:

[CanyonRider]

Spent an hour making a tram gauge and studying the Fisher Body manual.

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Don't look at my welds! I was like, "WTF!?" Then realized I forgot to turn on the gas. Dooh!! Look away - it's hideous! Haha!

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Did a few calcs to setup the gauge and a quick measurement looks like H, I and f are about a half inch off. I have more measuring to do after I get it cleaned up and ready for some tugging.

Stay tuned!
CR

[CanyonRider]

If you're going to degrease and pressure wash your car inside the garage, it's best to wait until the wife is out of the house. Haha!

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After:

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The frame rail damage really isn't that bad - I've definitely seen worse.

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Still some cleaning to do. Then we'll be putting the porta-power to it.

More to come!
CR

[CanyonRider]

So we got the laser level setup so we could take some accurate measurements.

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Clearly my lift is not level. Haha! I shimmed the jack stands so the car IS level. Then started taking measurements.
The elevation difference f-d is dead on at 8-3/4"
The width J at the back of the rails is 42-5/8" about a 1/4" too narrow
The width G at the front of the rails is dead on at 33-1/2"
The diagonals I match at 66-5/8" about 1/16" short
The length H from the front of the rails to back is 55" about 1/4" short on both sides

Not as bad as I thought. My plan it to slice the rails where the kink damage is and stretch them back a 1/4".

More to come!
CR

[rustomatic]

Cool project! I had a '68 back in the early '90s, with a 400. It really could have used those traction bars, but then again, tires back then offered much less grip . . .

Here's to continued progress!

[CanyonRider]

So I'm debating what to do about the rear axle. The stock unit is a 10-bolt, 8.2", BOP, UW-axle code meaning 3.55 & LSD. Not exactly a desirable unit. At one point, I had a Chevy 10-bolt I thought I might build for it but I ended up selling that unit. I have a 9" Ford with a Detroit Truetrac that I built for another project, but it is 1-1/4" wider and has no brakes setup on it - I don't recall the gear ratio - 3.55 or 3.70 something like that. I have an extra pair of monoleaf spring perches. I also have a set of adjustable Koni shocks (NIB) for the stock suspension.

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The primary use of this car will be Autocross, HPDE and some daily driving. I have no expectations that the car will be remotely competitive - just fun to drive.

Option 1:
Rebuild the stock unit, install a new LSD, buy new springs, use the Konis and call it a day. $

Option 2:
Weld perches on the 9", buy new springs, use the Konis, have a driveshaft made, buy a brake setup, figure out the proper wheel offset and what will fit, deal with different bolt patterns front vs rear, etc. $$

I'm trying not to overspend on this project which is very easy to do - although I haven't defined what overspend means. I just know this is not a premium example of a desirable car - translation: it will never be worth what is spent on it.

Leaning towards Option 1. Thoughts?
CR

[CanyonRider]

Started tweeking - a little bit at a time. Seems to want to spring back when I release it. I'll do a little on each side - don't have to go far - maybe 1/4".

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CR

[jarhead]

Cool!
Following

[CanyonRider]

I spend weeks researching rear suspension options: monoleaf, multileaf, composite leaf, watts links, bushing types, etc.

I finally decide I'm gonna rebuild my 10-bolt BOP with an Eaton posi, install Global West Cat5 reverse-eye leafs with 2" drop, a Fays watts link, Koni adjustable shocks and figure out an adjustable swaybar (my current VSE bar is not).

I call GW - their spring supplier is gone, they have nothing left in stock for the 1st gen f-body and have no idea if or when they might get a new supplier.

Grrrrrr!

[Kmelander]

Have you considered back-halving the car? A-lot of work but...it’s a 67 Firebird!


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[CanyonRider]

Waiting on frame rails. Got most of the spot welds cut. Welding in the frame rails will be as much back-halfing as I'll do. :lol:
CR

[Kmelander]

Waiting on frame rails. Got most of the spot welds cut. Welding in the frame rails will be as much back-halfing as I'll do. :lol:

CR



10-4. Can’t say I blame you. Could have shaved years off my project and I’d still have a back seat. I remember seeing re-pop frame rails for these cars. I think my 74 Nova and your Firebird have the same frame structure.


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[CanyonRider]

Ooooo! Shiny parts delivered today! We'll have something to do this weekend!

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Getting Giddy!
CR

[CanyonRider]

As I plan to replace just the damaged center section of the frame rails, I wanted to test fit the watts link frame so I could plan my cut line. The last thing I want is for the cut/weld line to end up right at the bolt holes.

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So I set the frame in place and scribed the brackets into the 1/8" thick rust- proofing. :lol:

I want my cut line to be between the two legs of the bracket. The yellow lines are my cut lines. The red line is the edge of the bracket.

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I placed jackstands at the front and rear of the frame rails and shimmed until all the measuements were spot on. The porta-power did a great job - you can see the gap create in the relief cut.

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Then we cut the rails and bust the spotwelds.

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Now some cleaning and grinding before we bravely cut the new frame rails to fit. :confused59: I tried to make nice square cuts to make the job a bit easier. We'll see.

If you are wondering exactly what category of build this is - I think I'd call it a ProKill build. Somewhere between a ProTouring and RoadKill build. :lol:

CR

[WSSix]

Why not go ahead and replace the whole rail from the cut back to the rear? That's what I would do.

Good luck either way.

[CanyonRider]

Yeah after I stood back and looked it over, I thought the same thing. So off it came!

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Still some clean up to do.

CR

[CanyonRider]

It's been a while since the last update - ya know how life can get in the way. Lol!

Anyway, the passenger side rail is out and the new one is fitted. It's approaching good-enough, but not quite ready to weld. I want to get the other side in place before breaking out the welder.

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Trying to get this project back on track!
CR

[sleepertime]

While the rails are still out you might want to continue to remove all the old material gunk/paint while you still have access around those areas and then spray weld thru primer back over the bare metal. It will make you life a lot easier later on.
Little by little you will get there.

:superhack: :welder: :whenitsdone: :flag2: