Engine debate New or salvaged

[NickBurns]

Hey folks,
In your honest opinion, do you think its worth while to buy a complete ready to run engine from Georgia's grave yards out of a ZL1, engine 6060 trans, all the bells and whistles.... OR a brand new crate 6.2 LSA engine with the pulley's, and crate 6060? I think most of the stuff you get when you buy a ready to run engine out of a wreck, you wouldn't use anyways when you are LS'ing a pro touring Camaro? Thanks in advance

Nick

[cjsgarage]

I usually buy the pullouts. They're usually a better deal, and it leaves some $ left over for improvement (cam/heads, etc).

The new ones are good if you need the warranty, but honestly we've never had a warranty on any block in the 2yr/24,000 miles GM gives you on crate engines.


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[NickBurns]

That’s what I was thinking but I’m looking at 16K for a pull out vs 14K brand new ..... 16K gives you the rest of the pieces from the car ...... 14K gives you two crates pulleys through trans- no wiring etc-


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[cjsgarage]

That’s what I was thinking but I’m looking at 16K for a pull out vs 14K brand new ..... 16K gives you the rest of the pieces from the car ...... 14K gives you two crates pulleys through trans- no wiring etc-


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In my experience, the Crates don't come with starter, flywheel (flexplate only), wiring, the right oil pan, headers/manifolds, and no intake snorkel or ECM. The pullouts do. And pullouts are negotiable. Tell him you've got 14k, see if he bites.


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[NickBurns]

That’s exactly what I will do - I’ve been looking for a private seller, salvage companies don’t seem to want to move on the price...... fingers crossed. Thanks for the follow up.


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[cjsgarage]

That’s exactly what I will do - I’ve been looking for a private seller, salvage companies don’t seem to want to move on the price...... fingers crossed. Thanks for the follow up.


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For the prices you're talking, you might also check with the sales ads here on LatG or even buying a core.

I have a 4.8 bored into a 5.7L that was built for road race boost that cost me 9800$. With a trans and harness/ECM you'd be in the same ball park. Especially if you're not long full tilt, like my block was.

A block with full ARP studding and forged pistons with balanced OEM crank and rods is good to close to 1000hp, and would have the cylinders and rocker issues fixed. Ported heads with stainless valves would still keep you under 9k for the assembled block. New in box trans can be had for 2500$. Then you just have to get mounts, exhaust, wiring and intake snorkel/MAF


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[cjsgarage]

That’s exactly what I will do - I’ve been looking for a private seller, salvage companies don’t seem to want to move on the price...... fingers crossed. Thanks for the follow up.


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We're way away in CA, but there's a highly reputable shop here that builds engines and every once in a while, someone gives up on one.

Or I shop around for a cheap block core.

Try car-part.com. Might find a good deal on what you're looking for (they sell pullouts) Shipping is usually less than 1k even to go cross country.


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[cjsgarage]

We're way away in CA, but there's a highly reputable shop here that builds engines and every once in a while, someone gives up on one.

Or I shop around for a cheap block core.

Try car-part.com. Might find a good deal on what you're looking for (they sell pullouts) Shipping is usually less than 1k even to go cross country.


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I found some results nearby for you. Looked up a 2011 Vette without drysump with manual trans.



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[joeko23]

LSAs have recently gone down in price slightly since more and more people are using the latest and greatest LT4. I got my pullout LSA and TR6060 from eBay for $14k with like 10k miles on it. If I had to do it again I would definitely buy from a forum member. I’m not sure if he’s on latg. But he’s definitely on protouring. His name is loyaltyisking. Send him a PM he has great prices on pullouts. I think he was asking 12-13k for LSA TR6060. This is his Facebook if you want to contact them directly.

https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Automotive--Aircraft---Boat/CountySpeed-293162204134635/

In my opinion it’s not worth it to buy new because then you need to buy tranny, clutch, accessories, wire harness, PCM, oil pan. With pullout you’ll just need oil pan and wire harness, get PCM reflashed and that’s it. Also with pullout you can ask for the heat exchanger, heat exchanger Pump and fuel pump for free.

[NickBurns]

LSAs have recently gone down in price slightly since more and more people are using the latest and greatest LT4. I got my pullout LSA and TR6060 from eBay for $14k with like 10k miles on it. If I had to do it again I would definitely buy from a forum member. I’m not sure if he’s on latg. But he’s definitely on protouring. His name is loyaltyisking. Send him a PM he has great prices on pullouts. I think he was asking 12-13k for LSA TR6060. This is his Facebook if you want to contact them directly.



https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Automotive--Aircraft---Boat/CountySpeed-293162204134635/



In my opinion it’s not worth it to buy new because then you need to buy tranny, clutch, accessories, wire harness, PCM, oil pan. With pullout you’ll just need oil pan and wire harness, get PCM reflashed and that’s it. Also with pullout you can ask for the heat exchanger, heat exchanger Pump and fuel pump for free.



In will totally reach out today and thank you ! That’s all I was looking for. It seems an eBay we are roped into these commercial junk yards . You do make sense with all of the extras needed.




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[joeko23]

Good luck. They have had LT4 pullouts for sale too

[TheJDMan]

To be honest I would look for a Copart salvage car that way you have all the parts you need to complete the conversion. When your done you just call the salvage and they will haul off the hulk.

[NickBurns]

I went salvaged folks / found a 2013 LSA with the TR6060 trans and all the parts - who do you guys recommend for the wiring harness? Speartech seems very expensive... PSI?


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[joeko23]

I personally bought a PSI after doing much research. The price is unbeatable and it’s great quality. Also I spoke to a few vendors and they use PSI in their personal projects. Carl from Vaporworx recommends them as well as RestoMod Air.

[vdrivinmike]

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Thanks for posting this! I was not aware of the ability to search on Carpart.com.

[NickBurns]

I personally bought a PSI after doing much research. The price is unbeatable and it’s great quality. Also I spoke to a few vendors and they use PSI in their personal projects. Carl from Vaporworx recommends them as well as RestoMod Air.



That’s who I will go with and thank you !


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[Ketzer]

I went with Speartech because they had the option to make the 6L90 in my swap work with the Lokar electronic shifter and had an output for a gear indicator while in manual mode...

I've also used Hotwire in my Gen3 Hemi swap, worked flawless and was very high quality. Gen3 Hemis are a completely different animal when it comes to harnesses...(ABS modules, reluctor wheels, BodyControl Modules...)


Jeff-

[Redlines01]

I have gone used and utilized carpartscom too. Engines can generally be negotiated to come with whatever you need especially with the smaller family owned yards too.

[ironworks]

I only like to buy the salvage engine if I can see in some form or fashion the car it came out of.

Some ways I think you get get a better product new if your going to change everything. Headers, Front engine drive system, Intake, Etc. The Tr6060 trans is great just all the extra stuff to hood up is a pain in the ass. A T56 Magnum works awesome. Some cars the stock configuration just wont fit. Modern AC compressors dont work with aftermarket AC. All those things like that

But if your keeping all the parts and using all the parts that were stock it can be a good deal. But when your paying some one to put the car together, I think new is wise for the warranty. Would suck to supply an installer an engine for him only to discover its not what you hoped. I have had that happen a few times. I want to know the history of all the parts we install in builds so I have some one to look in the eye or call.