Aeroquip Push Loc hose for EFI?

[Doug1]

Anyone here have experience with Aeroquip Push Loc with EFI? My hydraulics shop tole me it was fine. It was rated for fuel and 250PSI.

The problem is that after 500 miles one of the hoses came loose and sprayed gas everywhere while I was driving. I found the following when I went to fix it. The two 6AN fuel rail lines run to a 8AN out Y fitting before meeting up with the filter.

So you can see where the hose split and then after I cut the hose back about 6 inches you can see what I found inside. Disconcerting to say the least?

Does anyone on here have similar experiences with their stuff? At roughly $6 a foot, I expect better.

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[dhutton]

I don’t see any kind of liner in that hose. I use Holley Vaporguard hose. Looks similar but has a liner. Fittings use a crimp ring.

SAE 100R6 is hydraulic hose. Most likely not intended for fuel.

Don

[CamaroAJ]

I though you were supposed to put those crimp bands or the aluminum retainer rings on those still?

Like this
https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/100080/10002/-1

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[Doug1]

Thanks guys. I'll look for some J30 hose.

Does anyone know of a push lock hose that is EFI certified?

[Musclerodz]

Thanks guys. I'll look for some J30 hose.

Does anyone know of a push lock hose that is EFI certified?

I run Gates push lok on all our stuff. Never had an issue.

[cjsgarage]

I use Redhorse everything, but the gates stuff is easy to come by, too. And the metal crimps are mandatory insurance on the push lock stuff


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[camcojb]

I've never had problems with XRP hose and fittings. I have seen issues mixing and matching hose and fittings; different manufacturers may have slightly different sizing on their fittings.

I also like their clamps for higher pressure apps, makes me feel better. :lol:

[Doug1]

I run Gates push lok on all our stuff. Never had an issue.

Do you use clamps or bands with the Gates hose?

[Beechy]

dhutton is correct......this is not fuel rated:bang:.......find a better hydraulics shop

[Musclerodz]

Do you use clamps or bands with the Gates hose?

I use the bands. clamps are ugly.

[Doug1]

I use the bands. clamps are ugly.

Agreed. Looks like I need to place an order for some new hose and bands. Too bad, that was a lot of expensive hose that's now trash. At least I learned a valuable lesson without burning the car down. Aeromotive shows their push lock hose is suited for fuel in it's brochures. I bought the hose because I bought their fittings. So off it comes and new hoses will be built before it drives anywhere again.

That's 11 hoses in my fuel plumbing. All under 3 feet or so but still a lot of hose. I might buy the Kool Tool push on hose kit to do that many hoses again. I had a sore shoulder last time trying to get the hoses on all the way. Even with lube that Aeromotive hose is stiff.

[Musclerodz]

Agreed. Looks like I need to place an order for some new hose and bands. Too bad, that was a lot of expensive hose that's now trash. At least I learned a valuable lesson without burning the car down. Aeromotive shows their push lock hose is suited for fuel in it's brochures. I bought the hose because I bought their fittings. So off it comes and new hoses will be built before it drives anywhere again.

That's 11 hoses in my fuel plumbing. All under 3 feet or so but still a lot of hose. I might buy the Kool Tool push on hose kit to do that many hoses again. I had a sore shoulder last time trying to get the hoses on all the way. Even with lube that Aeromotive hose is stiff.

The gates hose is real easy to push on compared to some other brands. I have tried some pushlok that was so tight, I gave up.

[cjsgarage]

If you run hardline except for the flex for tank drop-down and from firewall to block, you'll save on serviceable pieces.


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[Doug1]

If you run hardline except for the flex for tank drop-down and from firewall to block, you'll save on serviceable pieces.


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Pretty much what I do.

1 from rear bulkhead return fitting in tank
1 from in pump in tank to fuel filter
1 from fuel filter to rear bulkhead pressure line
1 from front pressure bulkead fitting to filter
1 from filter to Y adapter to split to fuel rails
2 from Y adapter to fuel rails
2 return lines from fuel rails to regulator
1 from regulator return to return bulkhead

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[cjsgarage]

Just saying, if you make the fuel-rails-to-y a hardline, then you only have the soft line from
Y to hardline-at-firewall.

In total, any car I build is usually only 4-6ft total of soft line. So there's only ever 2 lines and 4 fittings total for soft line. Makes it nice for future servicing—only two lines to replace if they're worn.


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[Doug1]

Just saying, if you make the fuel-rails-to-y a hardline, then you only have the soft line from
Y to hardline-at-firewall.

In total, any car I build is usually only 4-6ft total of soft line. So there's only ever 2 lines and 4 fittings total for soft line. Makes it nice for future servicing—only two lines to replace if they're worn.


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Makes sense. I'll plan it that way next build!

[Doug1]

The gates hose is real easy to push on compared to some other brands. I have tried some pushlok that was so tight, I gave up.

Thanks. I'll look for the Gates stuff.

Otherwise I'd have to buy this from Kool Tools.... If I did this professionally, I'd buy this in a minute!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDFjUk-dmc

Of course, my motto is "there's no job worth doing that doesn't require a new tool" so.... I might buy it anyway. LMAO

[cjsgarage]

Thanks. I'll look for the Gates stuff.

Otherwise I'd have to buy this from Kool Tools.... If I did this professionally, I'd buy this in a minute!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDFjUk-dmc

Of course, my motto is "there's no job worth doing that doesn't require a new tool" so.... I might buy it anyway. LMAO



The Kool Tools has heaps of bad reviews, I've heard. Anyone have any experience with install tools?


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[Doug1]

The Kool Tools has heaps of bad reviews, I've heard. Anyone have any experience with install tools?
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I see from your tag you like wiring. PM me if you have done any SSR work. I did quite a bit in this build and it was interesting

[dhutton]

I have one of those Kool Tools. Works fine for what I use it for.

Don

[shelteredV]

I'm using Hot Rod Fuel hose on this project, he has been stellar with his service , the product is very nice, and prices decent. Does anybody else have any reviews of him?

[craig510]

Most fuel has ethanol in it now and will eat most of the an type hose. You have to make sure it is specifically rated for ethanol. In CA all pump gas has ethanol.

[cjsgarage]

Most fuel has ethanol in it now and will eat most of the an type hose. You have to make sure it is specifically rated for ethanol. In CA all pump gas has ethanol.



That, along with coercive pricing, made me switch to using all Redhorse. Everything I set up is Compatible all the way up to E85.. pumps and all


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[shelteredV]

Am I missing something here and excuse me for being dense, but who in their right mind is going to use a push on fitting with 60 psi on a fuel line? The PTFE hose isn't all that bad to work with IMHO.

[cjsgarage]

Am I missing something here and excuse me for being dense, but who in their right mind is going to use a push on fitting with 60 psi on a fuel line? The PTFE hose isn't all that bad to work with IMHO.



Theorhetically, once it's crimped, it should work. I use threaded AN ends on AN hose.. but the barbs in there aren't any better maybe than the push loc ones.. maybe crimpload is higher.

But OP was using a PushLoc that let go. I've even seen Nylon Fuel line, like factory GM, give out without a crimp.

I use AN, haven't had an issue yet


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[shelteredV]

Granted, OP put a round peg in a square hole- right fitting, wrong hose. Just seems the easy way out isn't necessarily good. AN for fuel.

[Doug1]

Theorhetically, once it's crimped, it should work. I use threaded AN ends on AN hose.. but the barbs in there aren't any better maybe than the push loc ones.. maybe crimpload is higher.

But OP was using a PushLoc that let go. I've even seen Nylon Fuel line, like factory GM, give out without a crimp.

I use AN, haven't had an issue yet


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Areoquip pushlock. 250 PSI no crimping. My problem was I was using their black hose, non fuel rated. Just picked up rolls of 6 and 8AN fuel rated. No crimp / clamp made to fit it. They state a crimp could damage it. Look up Areoquip AQP FC332-08

[Doug1]

Granted, OP put a round peg in a square hole- right fitting, wrong hose. Just seems the easy way out isn't necessarily good. AN for fuel.

I believe you are incorrect. Hydraulic shop clerk gave me the wrong Areoquip hose. I just needed the blue AQP hose rated for fuel. Still pushes on with no crimp and is good for 250 PSI. Got the right stuff today still push loc.

Check out the Areoquip push loc AQP hose. I've posted the specs below for your perusal.

[Build-It-Break-it]

I've used gates efi hose for years on a bunch of cars without any issues? The hose was used with 6an push lock fittings all the time but I always used efi hose clamps in conjunction. I never had an issue. Link below to hose I've used. Gates 3/8 efi hose with 6an push lock fittings.

In the first few lines of the first link below it states it won't deteriorate with modern fuels.

https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-po...-pkg/p/p100111


https://www.gates.com/us/en/fluid-po...ine-hose/c/201
Ahmad B.

[Doug1]

Alright here are the specs. States it is for fuel and has a 250 psi rating. They advise AGAINST using a clamp.

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[JohnUlaszek]

I would not assume "gasoline" means all possible blends that can come out of a pump. In the absence of a definition I would assume they mean 100% gasoline and not any of the many reformulated gasoline variations (E5, E10, E15, etc.).

[camcojb]

Thanks. I'll look for the Gates stuff.

Otherwise I'd have to buy this from Kool Tools.... If I did this professionally, I'd buy this in a minute!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqDFjUk-dmc

Of course, my motto is "there's no job worth doing that doesn't require a new tool" so.... I might buy it anyway. LMAO

Thanks for costing me money... :lol: Very cool tool, now just need a project to try it on.

[silvermonte]

I bought a few of these push on fittings, havnt used them yet but I will when I swap my engine to efi in the next few weeks. My question is how to attach the soft line to the hard fuel lines that already exist in the truck? I'm sure I cant just slip the love over the hard line and use some clamps, I would think it would leak under efi pressures.

[Boss 5.0]

Just a quick review for the Kool Tools equipment. My coworker bought two different tools from them. The one for the push lock type hoses, and the one for AN style braided hoses. I used both when plumbing my car and I can tell you from first hand I would never want to plumb a car without them again. A huge time saver and did not ruin or make any trouble once.

I also used their tool for brake line fitting that laps the ends to make sure you have leak free connections. This tool also did its job perfectly. All stainless brake lines and fittings and not a single leak afterword.

I give them a complete thumbs up rating.

[TheJDMan]

I have been running the AQP hose since 2012 when I got the car operational. But I never felt comfortable with not using clamps so I made my own clamps using a Clamp Tite tool and .032 stainless safety wire.


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