What are tho options for Cuda/Challenger PT type suspensions?

[Ripped]

Yeah it's bad, when I get the ideas about doing another car. Anyway so skip to the hard part, while I was surfing the net, I did not see many good options for a track-inspired pro touring type suspension for the cuda and challenger.

Most of the stuff I am seeing is semi-pro-street

Is that the case, or am I looking in the wrong places?

[Matt@BOS]

I don't think there are a ton of options like there are for Chevy or Ford builds. XV Motorsports is the first one that comes to mind. I'm sure Morrison and Roadster shop have full frames as well!

[214Chevy]

I don't think there's much to choose from. When and if you do find something, guess what? >>>>>:G-Dub::G-Dub:

[ADY]

I remember watching Graveyard Carz a while ago and they upgraded a 71 Cuda using suspension parts from this place:
http://www.magnumforce.com/index.htm

[Schwartz Perf]

Yes you're looking in the wrong places!

We have a full chassis available for 68-70 B body, 70-74 E-body.

They are the only one out there that "bolts in" to the car with minimal floorpan mods.. Unlike more universal chassis that require you to cut the whole floor out, build mounts, or weld it to the rockers.

Where have we been? Well the B-body chassis was introduced in 2009-2010 and the E-body in 2011.

Check it out here: http://www.schwartzperformance.com/mopar-e-body-cuda-challenger-chassis-full-frame/

and

http://www.schwartzperformance.com/mopar-b-body-chassis-full-frame/


Here's a few photos:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5473/13615184475_706a2c7a3c_c.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3892/14887248092_d1b3d75073_c.jpg

-Dale

[MoparCar]

I'm a Mopar guy building a Challenger PT version also. There are several choices out there depending on what you want. Not all are as easy and as high end as the GM crowd but still viable.

Gerst (GTS) Suspension-Front and back with a watts link option for rear also. Rack system. Newer to the market but gaining a following.

Reilly Motorsports (RMS)-front and back. Rack system.

Magnum Force-front and back but only do the transformer version front with the shock tower braces for a PT ride to get the coil over support away from the frame rails as Mopars were designed for torsion bar loads. Rack system.

Control Freak-front and back. Rack system.

XV Motorsports/Racing-front based on C6/C7 Vette arms and good geometry. Rear 3-link. Rack system. Original owners did a lot of R & D.

QA1-mostly improved factory items. Very reasonable.

Firm Feel-stock upgrades.

Hotchkis Suspension-Uses the factory style upgraded torsion bars with very good UCAs for geometry and leafs in rear. Lots use just the front with some sort of 4-link/PT rear suspension. Fox body shocks. Their system rocks. Just check out the YouTube videos of their yellow E-Max Challenger and then go to a Goodguys AutoX and get a ride. You may not even consider a different front. Plus the factory suspension keeps a tight turning radius and good ackerman steering angle which most of our mopar rack conversions compromise on greatly. Many use the tighter ratio Borgeson box with this set-up for PT.

These above are more or less bolt in.

If you have some fabrication skills:
Yes Schwartz

Roadster Shop-they have some items not listed on their website. Either full frame, clips or universal weld-in.

DSE-use their universal X-gen front weld-in IFS and then one of their either Camaro or Mustang rear Quadralink and order it un-welded. That's what I'm doing for my rear.

Ron Sutton-go all out!

Wes

[Ripped]

Thanks, everyone for all the informative responses. It's a good number of choices to start investigating options.
Next I guess I will have to look at powertrain options. I'll have to figure out the weights vs HP of the B and RB engines vs the modern crate engine offerings.

For the longest time, I was a small block mopar guy. It might be hard to get out of that frame of mind.

[MoparCar]

Modern 3G Hemi all the way. Less weight, heads flow awesome and more and more offerings.

You can get the 707HP Hellcat crate motor (Hellcrate) with computer and everything for $14K right now. Sure that sounds like a lot initially, but it's nearly bulletproof, factory supported, blown and has all different internals. They list for around 18K but you can usually get them around 14K. If this had been available when I bought my 6.1 Hemi new, I would jump on it because by the time you get the motor, computer, build it for bigger power, harnesses and all the little things it makes since and 707 street worthy HP out of the box is pretty cool.

Otherwise pick up a salvage 6.4L and it will do nicely. Cleveland Parts has a lot of take outs with all the accessories on a crate.

If your are on the cheap even junkyard 5.7L and 6.1L can be found very reasonable and built crazy good. Most of the police cars which auction very cheap have 5.7L Hemis in them and you can get all the accessories with them, part the rest. Lots of choices for the 5.7L and a bit less for the 6.1L. Trucks and Challengers both have the 6.4L available so you can pick those up fairly reasonable as well.

Wes

[jarhead]

Wow, Dale has some cool stuff!

[Ripped]

Does anyone know what is the weight of the modern 3G Hemi, compared to say a 360 stroked to 408 LA or magnum engine?

[MoparCar]

I may be off a little but here's what I found.

3G Hemi with steel block and exhaust manifolds around 485 pounds.
360 with steel block, heads and exhaust manifolds around 525-550 pounds.

So with aluminum heads on the 360 probably close? A lot of variables here since some 3Gs come with plastic intakes and some aluminum but it get's you in the ball park. You can also get a complete aluminum block for the 3G Hemi which really takes it down also.

[Ripped]

I may be off a little but here's what I found.

3G Hemi with steel block and exhaust manifolds around 485 pounds.
360 with steel block, heads and exhaust manifolds around 525-550 pounds.

So with aluminum heads on the 360 probably close? A lot of variables here since some 3Gs come with plastic intakes and some aluminum but it get's you in the ball park. You can also get a complete aluminum block for the 3G Hemi which really takes it down also.

Thanks a lot