Do you guys think this is right??

[Streetking]

You guys know I have been looking around for a PT type Mustang. I have been looking at this car for 2 months and had a friend of mine look at it. I left him a message about 2 weeks ago but he said he never got it. Sunday night, I saw that he had listed it on E-bay. I called him yesterday (monday) and we struck a deal. He said he would fax over a bill of sale and copy of title by this morning. I said as soon as I got them, I would transfer the money asap. Got to the office this morning and no paperwork.. I called him, left a message, sent a e-mail with no responce. About 3 hrs later, his wife calls and said that the car was her's and she wanted to leave it on e-bay until the auction ended. What I think happened was, last night the bid was about 25k, this morning it was 45k and still is, I think they think they can get alot more money than what we agreed on, which was more than 45k.. In my book, a deal is a deal. Maybe I'm wrong? Here's the link..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-1969-Mustang-Fastback-Shelby-GT-Showcar-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ300015081630QQihZ020QQcategoryZ62 36QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

SW

[camcojb]

You're not wrong SW. I am like you in that I'm a man of my word. I have made a deal before and been offered a lot more to sell to someone else, but I never even considered it.


Problem is, most people are not that way in regards to money. I would probably explain that we had a deal, and if he does not honor it he's on his own. If it doesn't reach your price he loses, hopefully a lot.

Remember, everything happens for a reason. Good luck my friend.

Jody

[customcam]

sux hey especially coz uv been dealing with him for so long :mad:
he thinks hell get more for it > ??? honesty is a good thing when buying a car
oh and how are they custom wheels? there Aussie simmons made in china 10k

[tyoneal]

This a nice looking car.

I wish someone would come out with a front spoiler like that for a first generation Camaro.

tyoneal

[Datsbad]

Guys, last week I had a sweet 62 impala wagon bought for 18k , I was to get a deposit to him the next day while it was still on ebay . The next day it was at 29k . How could i blame him not to sell it to me?? I was fine with it .

These things happen !

[ProdigyCustoms]

I think it sucks!

[Stuart Adams]

It stinks. Hey SW, buy Kona!

[trapin]

Do you know if this guy's wife was involved in the deal that the two of you agreed to? Perhaps she wasn't and when she found out what he did she was furious. Hey...I don't tell my wife everything, and it's usually had devasting results in the bedroom. LOL!!!! (sorry...too much info? :_paranoid ) Unless she was standing right there and was involved in the deal, you can't blame her for nixing it and sticking to her original plan to let it ride on eBay.

I will say this though....that is a KILLER mustang. But with the black paint and wheels it almost looks like your '69 Camaro.

[jimhamptons]

All I know about this car is this. I am bidding on Kona and I received an unsolicited email on the ebay system from the seller to check the car in question's auction. To them, the car is in play, which is a bit shady to me when a deal with SW has been struck already.

[Blown353]

Wow, that's Heath Elmer. I talked with him a couple years back when I was considering buying his PT-style two-tone GN and he was a stand-up guy. Sorry to hear he flaked on you.

He does nice work, but backing out of a deal is a no-no and passing off the "brush off" to the wife is pretty lame IMO.

[Vince@Meanstreets]

that does suck but it happens... usually a gentlemans agreement doesn't happen till some type deposit is left. Sounds like the agreement that was made was while the wife was asleep. See how far it goes and bid on it...maybe you can get it for less???

[BC69]

See how far it goes and bid on it...maybe you can get it for less???

Thats what I was thinking. If you really want the car, and don't mind dealing with the guy a bit longer to get the car. Simply try to bid for it cheaper. I understand you shouldn't even have to go through the bidding process, but if you got it cheaper...well then you got your own little victory.

[68protouring454]

i hope the ebay buyer falls thru and you get a better deal, that sucks
i just bought 2 69's, a 427 alum head motor, 2 full 1/4's etc for 7k, the guy had just the car and parts on ebay for 4500 reserve, sold me everything for 7k, the car it self went to 5200 with 5 days left but he still sold it to me cause he knew there would be no hassle, sorry to hear sk
jake

[Payton King]

If the car does not sell he will be calling you and I would offer much less than the originally agreed upon price.

[Streetking]

Wow, that's Heath Elmer. I talked with him a couple years back when I was considering buying his PT-style two-tone GN and he was a stand-up guy. Sorry to hear he flaked on you.

He does nice work, but backing out of a deal is a no-no and passing off the "brush off" to the wife is pretty lame IMO.

Yes, it is Heath. He seemed to be a nice stand up guy until yesterday..

trapin, his wife was well aware this, I have been looking at this car for about 2 months and everything was a go. Like I said, they saw the bidding go from 25k on monday night to 45k tuesday morning and I'm sure they thought they can get more money from someone else. If they want to play that game, I really don't want it. If I bought it now, I would think about the way I got screwed around everytime I looked at it.. There are other cars out there or I will build one exactly like I want..

When I give someone my word, I stand by it no matter what, plus my wife never tells me what to do with my cars.. :D

SW

[Stuart Adams]

Probably a blessing in disquise SW. Good talking to you last night. See you at SEMA.

[ProdigyCustoms]

Ya know, the only thing weaker then a guy that uses his wife as a shill excuse for things he decides he does not want to do, is a guy that really does let his wife interfere with his business.

[Rob07002]

SW this guys is a real tool. What a pos to make his wife handle his dirty work. If the mo doesn't have the sack to call you himself and explain he made a mistake by accepting your offer, screw him.

If he calls after the auction and the high bidder backs out offer 5-10k less and tell him to sit on that...

[Rybar]

I am a man of my word, like my father. Too bad he got screwed for millions for being that way. It's a tough go, but these days people care less and less about morals and only about money and themselves. :(

I say screw this guy and build one the way you want. :thumbsup:

[78macho]

Maybe everyone should know the whole story: Yes, SW did want to buy our Mustang and we did agree to a price. In our final conversation two weeks ago long before it was on Ebay SW said "so whats it going to take to buy it?" I replied "the original amount we discussed" he replied " I have to change some stuff and ship it too, so I need to figure out if it's in the budget" I replied "let me know". I waited 2 weeks and never heard from SW. He claims he left a message that I never received and he has my email as well. After waiting my wife says put it on Ebay, SW see's it and now decides he wants it again, so he calls me and I make a deal with him without checking with my wife, now I don't care what anyone says, the car is hers and thats no BS, my name is not on the title. She says she won't sign the bill of sale to SW because theres already bids on Ebay and its not fair to the people who have already bid.
So here's my situation: do I risk divorce, piss of SW, piss off the bidders or all the other people who keep offering me money to end the auction or let my wife do it her way?
I decide to have my wife call SW and explain her decision.
I regret backing out of the deal with SW and the only way to be fair is let it run on Ebay. SW did have the oppritunity to buy the car before it went up for auction. What would you do? I think my wife made the right decision.
SW, I'm sorry your mad, you can still bid!

[Streetking]

Maybe everyone should know the whole story: Yes, SW did want to buy our Mustang and we did agree to a price. In our final conversation two weeks ago long before it was on Ebay SW said "so whats it going to take to buy it?" I replied "the original amount we discussed" he replied " I have to change some stuff and ship it too, so I need to figure out if it's in the budget" I replied "let me know". I waited 2 weeks and never heard from SW. He claims he left a message that I never received and he has my email as well. After waiting my wife says put it on Ebay, SW see's it and now decides he wants it again, so he calls me and I make a deal with him without checking with my wife, now I don't care what anyone says, the car is hers and thats no BS, my name is not on the title. She says she won't sign the bill of sale to SW because theres already bids on Ebay and its not fair to the people who have already bid.
So here's my situation: do I risk divorce, piss of SW, piss off the bidders or all the other people who keep offering me money to end the auction or let my wife do it her way?
I decide to have my wife call SW and explain her decision.
I regret backing out of the deal with SW and the only way to be fair is let it run on Ebay. SW did have the oppritunity to buy the car before it went up for auction. What would you do? I think my wife made the right decision.
SW, I'm sorry your mad, you can still bid!


If I was not interested in the car, I wouldn't have wasted my friend Dennis' time coming over to look at it. I did want the car and our last conversation was, "we have a deal". This is a small community and most everyone knows each other. I just got off the phone with the guy in New York that wanted to buy both of your cars and he thought he had a deal with you also... I guess when I make a deal with someone, I stick to it. Good luck with the sale and I hope you get more $$ than what we agreed on...

SW

[camcojb]

Maybe everyone should know the whole story: Yes, SW did want to buy our Mustang and we did agree to a price. In our final conversation two weeks ago long before it was on Ebay SW said "so whats it going to take to buy it?" I replied "the original amount we discussed" he replied " I have to change some stuff and ship it too, so I need to figure out if it's in the budget" I replied "let me know". I waited 2 weeks and never heard from SW. He claims he left a message that I never received and he has my email as well. After waiting my wife says put it on Ebay, SW see's it and now decides he wants it again, so he calls me and I make a deal with him without checking with my wife, now I don't care what anyone says, the car is hers and thats no BS, my name is not on the title. She says she won't sign the bill of sale to SW because theres already bids on Ebay and its not fair to the people who have already bid.
So here's my situation: do I risk divorce, piss of SW, piss off the bidders or all the other people who keep offering me money to end the auction or let my wife do it her way?
I decide to have my wife call SW and explain her decision.
I regret backing out of the deal with SW and the only way to be fair is let it run on Ebay. SW did have the oppritunity to buy the car before it went up for auction. What would you do? I think my wife made the right decision.
SW, I'm sorry your mad, you can still bid!

Well, you admit you made a deal and then backed out. Not very honorable in my book. :(

Jody

[Streetking]

I just want to thank everyone that has thought about this situtation for your opinions, it means alot to me. I guess I get too emotional about car stuff and I shouldn't. It's not the end of the world, there are other cars out there. Everything is good, I will end up building exactly what I want. I have been talking with Rick Flores, he had 2 mustangs at SEMA last year, said he would be glad to help me out..

thanks again everyone.

SW

[mdprovee]

Sounds like a simple phone call to confirm or deny before putting it on Ebay would have solved everything. A little communication goes a long way.

[camcojb]

Sounds like a simple phone call to confirm or deny before putting it on Ebay would have solved everything. A little communication goes a long way.

It actually hit Ebay when he didn't hear back from SW, although SW did try to contact him. They made a deal Monday when the auction was running, but later his wife said no.

Unfortunately he should not have made a deal if he needed to talk to the wife first. I've been married for 18 years so I understand the issues there, though I'm fortunate in my car dealings, as she has no input on those, they are totally up to me.

I hope it works out good for both sides.

Jody

[Stuart Adams]

SW you made him a very good offer. Better than flea bay will bring, probably. You are very credible. Build your own and don't look back, IMO.

Nice car Jody.

[BC69]

I just want to thank everyone that has thought about this situtation for your opinions, it means alot to me. I guess I get too emotional about car stuff and I shouldn't. It's not the end of the world, there are other cars out there. Everything is good, I will end up building exactly what I want. I have been talking with Rick Flores, he had 2 mustangs at SEMA last year, said he would be glad to help me out..

SW, you have always been a great guy to everyone on both the PT sites, always willing to share news, pictures, and info about your incredible collection. I know you have personally helped out fellow members in the past, and I am sorry this happened to you.

I think you have the right attitude though! There are ALOT of cars out there! You have proven very able to build your own kick a$$ cars when looking at...EVERYONE you own! Good luck and keep us posted on the outcome! Should be one sweet ride!

Tim

[Speedster]

SW-
You are in the car biz. You know you have some good deals and some bad ones. So go build what you want. Tastes change and it's always the "little details" that really make the difference. You have the other rides to enjoy that much more in the meantime. Can't wait to see the magazine article with the new ride in it when you complete it. I'm sure it won't look like a Yugo...

[trapin]

trapin, his wife was well aware this, I have been looking at this car for about 2 months and everything was a go. Like I said, they saw the bidding go from 25k on monday night to 45k tuesday morning and I'm sure they thought they can get more money from someone else. If they want to play that game, I really don't want it. If I bought it now, I would think about the way I got screwed around everytime I looked at it.. There are other cars out there or I will build one exactly like I want.
Well if that's the case...both he and his wife can take a flying *bleep*!!!

[78macho]

Yes, I admit I backed out, but I truly did want to sell the car to SW. You guys may say I'm a "tool" or whatever but, its a sticky situation.
The best solution is to sell it to no one and let the auction go. Also I never agreed to sell it to "NY Brad", he made an offer and I told him the same thing "if you want the car, Bid. I can't single one guy out."

Please don't bash me or the cars and I'm not bashing anyone here. My wife and myself thought this was the only way to be fair.

[camcojb]

Yes, I admit I backed out, but I truly did want to sell the car to SW. You guys may say I'm a "tool" or whatever but, its a sticky situation.
The best solution is to sell it to no one and let the auction go. Also I never agreed to sell it to "NY Brad", he made an offer and I told him the same thing "if you want the car, Bid. I can't single one guy out."

Please don't bash me or the cars and I'm not bashing anyone here. My wife and myself thought this was the only way to be fair.

It's a tough deal no doubt. Appreciate your honest and mature response.

Jody

[fatlife]

Give the guy a break, business is business and if the guy wasn't the owner of the car then the verbal contract is void. Simple as that. As a bunch of business owners I thought people here would understand that. When buying and selling, you can't start taking things personally. And going around and spreading bad stuff about people just because of one transaction that your not happy with the outcome is not the way to gain strength and popularity and isn't very mature in my opinion. I think the whole deal should of been kept private, but hey thats just me. Anyway nothing is final until money exchanges hands. Face it, not everyone is made out of money, and some people can't just honor a deal just because its ethically correct, if there is more money on the plate most people will take the deal that includes more payout. I can't imagine doing verywell in life if you got mad everytime a deal fell through

[tyoneal]

SW-
You are in the car biz. You know you have some good deals and some bad ones. So go build what you want. Tastes change and it's always the "little details" that really make the difference. You have the other rides to enjoy that much more in the meantime. Can't wait to see the magazine article with the new ride in it when you complete it. I'm sure it won't look like a Yugo...

Bruce:

Sorry, this is off the subject, but I was looking at the engine you are putting in your Bird. All I can say is, Wow!!! The video from Nelson Racing was very impressive.

Would you mind at all giving me a Ballpark idea what an engine like yours would cost to build?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing your car finished.

Take Care,

tyoneal

[68protouring454]

i hope whoever wins the car does not show up then, when it goes back on ebay, it brings crap
get a life, my wife, my wife, if it was your wifes car you would of told sw you had to check with her, nice excuse, you'll get many friends doing crap like this

[Speedster]

tyoneal -
You have a PM.

[Streetking]

Give the guy a break, business is business and if the guy wasn't the owner of the car then the verbal contract is void. Simple as that. As a bunch of business owners I thought people here would understand that. When buying and selling, you can't start taking things personally. And going around and spreading bad stuff about people just because of one transaction that your not happy with the outcome is not the way to gain strength and popularity and isn't very mature in my opinion. I think the whole deal should of been kept private, but hey thats just me. Anyway nothing is final until money exchanges hands. Face it, not everyone is made out of money, and some people can't just honor a deal just because its ethically correct, if there is more money on the plate most people will take the deal that includes more payout. I can't imagine doing verywell in life if you got mad everytime a deal fell through

I do business deals everyday, so getting mad on one deal is not even in the picture. Having or not having money has nothing to do with sticking to your word or doing the right thing. There have been alot of times I have committed to sell a car and someone else wants it and offers more money or can pay right away, but I always stick to my word no matter what. I just explained my situation here because this site is about PT cars and if someone else was thinking about looking at this car, I want them to know what happened with my transaction, not trying to gain "strength"?

Heath sent me a very nice E-mail and explained his stiutation. I just wished he would have told me originally when he committed to me,that his wife had to make the final decision. Anyway everything is good, time to search for another project. :)

SW

[fatlife]

good luck :)

[T Bell]

I sure will be checking the listing to see what it went for.

[Stuart Adams]

SW, I'm glad it ended somewhat OK. His loss, IMO.

Fat, man what a post!

[Ummgawa]

My Dad told me when I was very young..."When a MAN gives his word, it's his bond"

He did not say "When a Man gives his word, it's his bond unless money is involved"

We can all agree to disagree here and go home, but some things just never go out of style.

Seems to me you have a built in market with 25 plus bidders. Go build the car again, sell them at the price you agree to and make a mint.

[71Nova]

I go out of my way to avoid doing biz with people like that. If your word isn't worth anything then what is? If he did not have permision to make deals for his wifes car it is un ethical and un honest of him to strike up deals without saying he needs to check with his wife. Simple as that.

[Stuart Adams]

A few points then I'll get off.

If it truly is the wifes car then her name and cell should have been the contact number, not Heath's.

Is it really worth your integrity for a couple grand at best.

He should not have been talking about a very specific deal with SW if he intended to let the bidding take place first, especially when SW had someone look at the car beforehand.

Pure greed, nothing else. Funny thing is SW's deal is more than it will fetch on ebay, oh well bad decisions are made everyday. Peace out, next.

[Ricochet]

My Dad told me when I was very young..."When a MAN gives his word, it's his bond"

He did not say "When a Man gives his word, it's his bond unless money is involved".


Exactly, integrity is everything!! I have to say I was fortunate when I had the 57 for sale at SEMA. I had mulitple people interested, but nobody stepped up at the show. I made a "Gentleman's agreement" over the phone with a guy in Indy after SEMA. No money had exchanged hands at this point. I then had later that week willing to kick me more $$. I told him I'm not wired like that. If the deal falls through, I'll call him, But for now consider it sold.

I guess I have a conscience and like to sleep at night!!

Brent

[ProdigyCustoms]

Well, you have to know that "IF" the wife really nixed the hubby;s deal, there has to be some special satisfaction in knowing there was probably some "spirited" conversation in that house!

[70boss]

All I know about this car is this. I am bidding on Kona and I received an unsolicited email on the ebay system from the seller to check the car in question's auction. .


I am selling Kona....this type of auction interference can get a seller banned on eBay. It is called auction interference. I do not do "Private" auctions. but I may start after things like this.

As far as the deal in question....you said you looked at it for 2 months...plenty of time to make a decision IMO. I always let eBay work, and sometimes I will sell a car early, BUT, the complete payment is in hand BEFORE an auction is cancelled.

eBay forces a buyer to make a decision. Why didn't you just bid on it like everyone else?

[Stuart Adams]

70, sometimes deals take 2 months - especially if both parties are still talking. If the owner sais " let me know next week" and you make an offer 2 months later - that don't fly. But when both parties are negotiating it might take that long. He didn't have a line of buyers during that time anyway or it would have been sold, ya think.

[Streetking]

I am selling Kona....this type of auction interference can get a seller banned on eBay. It is called auction interference. I do not do "Private" auctions. but I may start after things like this.

As far as the deal in question....you said you looked at it for 2 months...plenty of time to make a decision IMO. I always let eBay work, and sometimes I will sell a car early, BUT, the complete payment is in hand BEFORE an auction is cancelled.

eBay forces a buyer to make a decision. Why didn't you just bid on it like everyone else?

First off, you know nothing about what transpired between me and Heath for two months. If you can read, MY point was that we had a deal and then we didn't. E-bay doesn't force me the do jack s.. Why should I bid on something I thought I already owned? Money is not the issue here, principal is.

Thanks for your input. :beathorse

SW

[Steve1968LS2]

Exactly, integrity is everything!! I have to say I was fortunate when I had the 57 for sale at SEMA. I had mulitple people interested, but nobody stepped up at the show. I made a "Gentleman's agreement" over the phone with a guy in Indy after SEMA. No money had exchanged hands at this point. I then had later that week willing to kick me more $$. I told him I'm not wired like that. If the deal falls through, I'll call him, But for now consider it sold.

I guess I have a conscience and like to sleep at night!!

Brent

Same deal.. on my Ranger truck. Had a guy come look at it for his daughter. He liked it and we made a deal. He asked if I wanted a deposit (was going to come back 4 days later to pick it up). I said no, his word was good enough. During the 4 days I litterally had 6 calls from people that wanted the truck. I realised I had it listed too cheap and could get more, but I told all the people it was sold and to call back Sunday in case the guy fell through.

Sure it was only a matter of a few hundred bucks but when I give my word it's a done deal.

This deal just sounded like mis-communication, which is a shame. Hope it works out for all parties.

[Stuart Adams]

The only miscommunoication I can see is the dudes wife wears the pants and its her car and its her title and its her decision and its hers, hers , hers , yada yada yada....

[70boss]

First off, you know nothing about what transpired between me and Heath for two months. If you can read, MY point was that we had a deal and then we didn't. E-bay doesn't force me the do jack s.. Why should I bid on something I thought I already owned? Money is not the issue here, principal is.

Thanks for your input. :beathorse

SW


First of all....I have been on your side of the stick probably ten times in the last year. This stuff happens you move on. I have "made deals" only to have the seller use my number to pimp a local buyer in giving more. you can argue principle all you want but at some point you just move on and find another car. Bickering back and forth on a forum, serves no purpose other than to point fingers and flame people..etc.

And I disagree, about eBay....if you bid, it is a legal contract between buyer and seller.

Getting pissy with outside parties who don't agree with your position does nothing but undermine your position.

Yes I do know how a two month deal goes....for me it was on a six figure car that ended up costing me and extra $25,000!!! Because of some wanna be broker psuedo dealer who couldn't have bought the car anyway.

[T Bell]

Bickering back and forth on a forum, serves no purpose other than to point fingers and flame people..etc.

I agree. Can we lock this one mods?