Question for those that have owned Shelby Cobras/replicas

[fleetus macmullitz]

I live out in a rural area with lots of back roads to blast along on. Looking for a raw, V8 powered in your face ride and the Cobra style roadster seems the place to start. Drove one but it was a while ago. Had a couple nice V8 ragtops but they're not the same of course.

So...how long did that feeling last after you got your Cobra?

:D

[Ketzer]

I bet the boat comparison could be used here... best two days...

There are at least half dozen here in my town but I never see the owners out in them, only parked at shows.

[Panteracer]

Skip
I have a friend who just built a beautiful factory
five with a Coyote engine. Speed a little much for him at first
but a blast to drive
He found that due to no top you do not take it out
on a hot sunny day. Others have said the same for
cold days (he just finished his so no there yet)

I had a Gt350r clone for a while that was a gutted street legal
race car Very fast and fun to drive but I would not take it on
real long drives

My Pantera is a well setup track car that I have taken to Vegas and back,
Montery all the time. It has recaros and an overdrive 5 speed
Very comfortable and a blast to drive.

If you are just thinking spirited short drives then
and it goes fast and handles well it is
hard to lose that great feeling of driving them
The problem is most don't really drive their cars
To me that is what they are for. If no track event then take
it out for an early morning spin with no traffic

Bob

[fleetus macmullitz]

I bet the boat comparison could be used here... best two days...

There are at least half dozen here in my town but I never see the owners out in them, only parked at shows.

I get the boat thing...but it won't be an impulse buy.

Car shows aren't my thing...I like to keep moving.


Skip
I have a friend who just built a beautiful factory
five with a Coyote engine. Speed a little much for him at first
but a blast to drive
He found that due to no top you do not take it out
on a hot sunny day. Others have said the same for
cold days (he just finished his so no there yet)

I had a Gt350r clone for a while that was a gutted street legal
race car Very fast and fun to drive but I would not take it on
real long drives

My Pantera is a well setup track car that I have taken to Vegas and back,
Montery all the time. It has recaros and an overdrive 5 speed
Very comfortable and a blast to drive.

If you are just thinking spirited short drives then
and it goes fast and handles well it is
hard to lose that great feeling of driving them
The problem is most don't really drive their cars
To me that is what they are for. If no track event then take
it out for an early morning spin with no traffic

Bob

Good points Bob.

Yes, it would be for spirited shorter drives. No traffic to speak of.

Summers here are fairly mild, so that helps too.

If the Cobra is too annoying to live with, a mid-year sidepiped Vette roadster is the next choice.

[Boss 5.0]

So I can't speak from personal experience. But, I did the body and paint on my brother in laws Factory Five Cobra 6 years ago. He still drives the hell out of it as much as possible. While building it he installed heat warmers in the seats for those cool fall drives.

[fleetus macmullitz]

So I can't speak from personal experience. But, I did the body and paint on my brother in laws Factory Five Cobra 6 years ago. He still drives the hell out of it as much as possible. While building it he installed heat warmers in the seats for those cool fall drives.

Thanks Glenn. :thumbsup:

Cool that he is still driving it hard 6 years later.

[Flash68]

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[fleetus macmullitz]

^^^^^^^^^^^

You are a very good man!

:D

b4_TeT4XhlY

[GregWeld]

Get a nice mid-year 'Vette with an L79 - drop top with N14 factory side exhaust -- With Power steering and A/C - Power windows.... and have a car you can actually use and enjoy.

On top of that -- you don't have to respond to the same stupid question everywhere you drive it -- i.e., "is that real?"

Look for one in C2 "nice driver" condition.... Or just call Lillard and have him find one he thinks is right.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Get a nice mid-year 'Vette with an L79 - drop top with N14 factory side exhaust -- With Power steering and A/C - Power windows.... and have a car you can actually use and enjoy.

On top of that -- you don't have to respond to the same stupid question everywhere you drive it -- i.e., "is that real?"

Look for one in C2 "nice driver" condition.... Or just call Lillard and have him find one he thinks is right.

Thanks Greg. :thumbsup:

I prefer the rawness of the Cobra replicas.

But a mid-year plus a/c etc should be enough to get my favorite person in the passenger seat...with the Cobra it's #nobueno.


:lol:

[GregWeld]

It such a "similar" car and feel and drive --- top down -- side exhaust blasting the best bass in history.....


However ---- a drop top WITH windows (vs the Cobra's nothingness) --- means you can USE the car --- and with A/C -- trust me - you get real tired of the heat on a trip and the sun beating on your head and the bugs in your teeth (remember I've owned MANY of these - and done 1000's of mile trips in them -- and my roadsters etc).... It's very nice to have OPTIONS......

If you really want the full monty --- get a 400hp tri-power with A/C or the 390 Hp version -- for that torquey big block feel that only big cubic inches can provide.

For my money ------- a BBC side pipe - A/C drop top..... Oh yeah buddy!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Nice appearing L79 car with the N14...sounds awesome.

md9MujmBOX4

Greg,

I'm glad you mentioned the big block models. I prefer those too.

Is it tough to keep them cool, both from an engine cooling perspective and the interiors? Or does the a/c take care of the later issue?

Also, what about cowl shake on the roadsters?

Thanks. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

They're ALL hot floorboards ---- side exhaust doesn't help that either -- but so worth it. I drove with AC on - turned to my feet (use the heater settings to direct airflow). On a long trip on a hot day ---- yeah ---- you can basically burn your feet. LOL

There's cowl shake in every roadster ever built - get over it. It's nothing that will bother you - unless the car is some kind of complete POS rebuild. Obviously if the car is done wrong - it can be worse.

When I used to buy droptop '69 Camaro's ----- If I had 2 or 3 of them at a time -- I'd drive them all -- the one with the worst cowl shake would go down the road to the next idiot. They do all behave differently.


These cars drove differently when they were brand spanking new. NEVER EVER EVER NEVER buy a car you haven't looked at with your own eyes and DRIVEN YOURSELF. It's a 100K car -- spend $1500 on airfare and a hotel room. If you can't do that -- then you shouldn't be buying anything.

[GregWeld]

I've owned 6 or more mid year Corvettes --- and drove one daily back in the early 70's.... (it went down the road with 108,000 miles on it IIRC). I've NEVER owned one that overheated -- EVER. IF they do that -- there is something wrong with them.

Just because someone "restored" it - doesn't make it right. But, done right these cars are a joy to own and drive.

Many of the so called "restored" cars --- if they don't have NCRS judging sheets --- can end up with the wrong fan - wrong radiator - wrong fan shroud. The A/C cars did NOT use the same fan that the Non A/C cars used! But if people don't know what they're doing ---- then they "restore" them with the wrong stuff. The BBC A/C cars used a SEVEN blade fan..... Can't tell you how many cars I've seen that are wrong.

[fleetus macmullitz]

They're ALL hot floorboards ---- side exhaust doesn't help that either -- but so worth it. I drove with AC on - turned to my feet (use the heater settings to direct airflow). On a long trip on a hot day ---- yeah ---- you can basically burn your feet. LOL

There's cowl shake in every roadster ever built - get over it. It's nothing that will bother you - unless the car is some kind of complete POS rebuild. Obviously if the car is done wrong - it can be worse.

When I used to buy droptop '69 Camaro's ----- If I had 2 or 3 of them at a time -- I'd drive them all -- the one with the worst cowl shake would go down the road to the next idiot. They do all behave differently.

These cars drove differently when they were brand spanking new. NEVER EVER EVER NEVER buy a car you haven't looked at with your own eyes and DRIVEN YOURSELF. It's a 100K car -- spend $1500 on airfare and a hotel room. If you can't do that -- then you shouldn't be buying anything.

Oh I will be there, drive it, have an experts' help, etc.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I've owned 6 or more mid year Corvettes --- and drove one daily back in the early 70's.... (it went down the road with 108,000 miles on it IIRC). I've NEVER owned one that overheated -- EVER. IF they do that -- there is something wrong with them.

Just because someone "restored" it - doesn't make it right. But, done right these cars are a joy to own and drive.

Many of the so called "restored" cars --- if they don't have NCRS judging sheets --- can end up with the wrong fan - wrong radiator - wrong fan shroud. The A/C cars did NOT use the same fan that the Non A/C cars used! But if people don't know what they're doing ---- then they "restore" them with the wrong stuff. The BBC A/C cars used a SEVEN blade fan..... Can't tell you how many cars I've seen that are wrong.

Greg,

I appreciate your great advice. :thumbsup:

Likin' this.... But, done right these cars are a joy to own and drive.


And like you said, look for a driver.

[Flash68]

But a mid-year plus a/c etc should be enough to get my favorite person in the passenger seat...with the Cobra it's #nobueno.


:lol:

Banya lives near you?!

[GregWeld]

Greg,

I appreciate your great advice. :thumbsup:

Likin' this.... But, done right these cars are a joy to own and drive.


And like you said, look for a driver.




I'd look for a "driver" that has a CURRENT judging sheet ---- the reason for that --- even if it was a second flight car --- it's been looked at by super knowledgeable people and it would point out things such as it having the wrong fan... Then you can see if that was "corrected".

These cars need to be done RIGHT ----- and there are many models and many model differences. Unless you really know what you're looking at -- you can end up with a very expensive pile. These cars DO RUST --- they DO have frame parts that rusted -- and poorly repaired fiberglass - or who knows. You'll know in half a mile and by third gear - whether or not the car is going to be a great driver --- and there are Decent drivers -- there are good drivers --- and there are GREAT drivers..... and until you've spent some time in the seat -- you're not going to be able to know a "good" from a "great". You, or anyone, will know a pile.

When you read the descriptions on a place like Pro Team Corvette --- you'll note that Terry will describe a car as a "good" driver ---- or he'll use a word like EXCELLENT driver..... those might be easily glossed over by the unwashed. They're very very important words.

Also --- "matching numbers" vs the added description of ORIGINAL or BORN WITH or something such as that is another clue --- matching numbers just means the numbers match --- doesn't mean that it's the ORIGINAL NUMBERS MATCHING part (engine etc). That's a big part of the value for buying and for resale.... and we ALL resale.

NCRS now recognizes "restamped" blocks as a "restoration part" --- but that is worth 25K or much more in value. Just as they finally were forced to not deduct points for perfect bodies and modern paint.....

You don't need a Duntov car for a driver -- but those judging sheets are worth A LOT towards the value of a collector car --- and these ARE collector cars.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Banya lives near you?!

Ouch!

:P

https://youtu.be/baJ_cOzOOfI

[fleetus macmullitz]

I'd look for a "driver" that has a CURRENT judging sheet ---- the reason for that --- even if it was a second flight car --- it's been looked at by super knowledgeable people and it would point out things such as it having the wrong fan... Then you can see if that was "corrected".

These cars need to be done RIGHT ----- and there are many models and many model differences. Unless you really know what you're looking at -- you can end up with a very expensive pile. These cars DO RUST --- they DO have frame parts that rusted -- and poorly repaired fiberglass - or who knows. You'll know in half a mile and by third gear - whether or not the car is going to be a great driver --- and there are Decent drivers -- there are good drivers --- and there are GREAT drivers..... and until you've spent some time in the seat -- you're not going to be able to know a "good" from a "great". You, or anyone, will know a pile.

When you read the descriptions on a place like Pro Team Corvette --- you'll note that Terry will describe a car as a "good" driver ---- or he'll use a word like EXCELLENT driver..... those might be easily glossed over by the unwashed. They're very very important words.

Also --- "matching numbers" vs the added description of ORIGINAL or BORN WITH or something such as that is another clue --- matching numbers just means the numbers match --- doesn't mean that it's the ORIGINAL NUMBERS MATCHING part (engine etc). That's a big part of the value for buying and for resale.... and we ALL resale.

NCRS now recognizes "restamped" blocks as a "restoration part" --- but that is worth 25K or much more in value. Just as they finally were forced to not deduct points for perfect bodies and modern paint.....

You don't need a Duntov car for a driver -- but those judging sheets are worth A LOT towards the value of a collector car --- and these ARE collector cars.

Greg,

Some of the above I know, but I have a lot more to learn.

If you were to buy one in todays world, would it be the best driver you could find?

Or, an excellent pro-touring build?

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Some of the above I know, but I have a lot more to learn.

If you were to buy one in todays world, would it be the best driver you could find?

Or, an excellent pro-touring build?




Well --- it used to be it had to be a 100 point NCRS or Bloomington Gold car for me ---- but ---- those cars are losing value at a high rate of vibration as the crowd that wanted them ages.... we all "age" out of these cars..... think about the Model A restoration crowd (gone!).

However --- I would NEVER pay up for a pro touring (anything).... but would probably prefer to drive a modern pro tour car of any type. But it's like anything else.... the PYRAMID gets very toppy in a hurry -- and stuff that goes sideways from the "norm" becomes toppy. Having said that ---- HELLFIRE would be top of my list if I was shopping for a '69 Camaro.... but that is because it's build to standards -- it IS the standard - and therefore is worth a premium. I've driven many "pro touring" cars that I'd park within a 100 yards and walk away. The steering hunts rabbits - or the big brakes that can't stop the car - or the ride is worse than a 1949 International....

Only when you jump in the car can you judge any of this -- and they're all completely different and most don't live up to the looks.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Great insights/info to 'chew' on. :thumbsup:

Thanks Greg.

[Ketzer]

Greg,

I'm glad you mentioned the big block models. I prefer those too.

Is it tough to keep them cool, both from an engine cooling perspective and the interiors? Or does the a/c take care of the later issue?

Also, what about cowl shake on the roadsters?

Thanks. :thumbsup:

x3 on the BBC!
As has already been said, it shouldn't overheat or even run hot. Even a recent build should have been sorted before offered for sale. If someone uses the excuse that it "just hasn't been sorted out..." run away.
There are some really good products out to help with interior heat. Might involve pulling seats and carpet, but that's a weekend project.


Jeff-

[fleetus macmullitz]

x3 on the BBC!
As has already been said, it shouldn't overheat or even run hot. Even a recent build should have been sorted before offered for sale. If someone uses the excuse that it "just hasn't been sorted out..." run away.
There are some really good products out to help with interior heat. Might involve pulling seats and carpet, but that's a weekend project.


Jeff-

Thanks Jeff.

Just starting to research these n depth, so I'll see whats been done to effectively curb the cabin heat.

[fleetus macmullitz]

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https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/d/1965-corvette/6274253956.html

[DWC]

Cosmo,

I built a Factory Five in the early 2000's. It had a mild EFI 302, T5 trans, 8.8" rear end...pretty basic build. I learned A TON during the build and enjoyed that part of the experience as much as the driving.

It was definitely a sunny day driver. But I did autocross it a couple of times, which it was quite a handful. That led to an interest in road racing, which led to the sale of the FFR Cobra and the purchase of a '95 Mustang Cobra, which was gutted, caged, and tracked at Road Atlanta, VIR, etc.

As a data point, there used to be a couple of vendors that made soft and hard tops for the FFR's.

Daniel

[GregWeld]

Re the Craigslist '65


#1 -- it's the wrong year -- '65's have never been sought after -- with one or two exceptions - the fuelie - or the high hp 327

#2 -- a good resto mod at that price needs to have a trick chassis to go with all the other mods....

#3 -- If you buy something like this -- you want to get the original motor etc so the car has extra value down the road.

#4 -- driver door already shows sag

#5 -- It's an automatic (boring to the max in a car like this)

LOL ----- other than it's 60K too high price it appears to be an "okay" car. The guy stopped before it was really a nice car (chassis etc).... to me -- it's like a half breed.... got some goodies - but lacks others. If I'm paying UP for a resto mod car -- it needs bad ass stance - fat tires - slammed - trick chassis -- 6 speed.... otherwise -- if it's going to look factory - then just be a factory restoration and have "value" for that. This is just my unhumble opinion of course.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Cosmo,

I built a Factory Five in the early 2000's. It had a mild EFI 302, T5 trans, 8.8" rear end...pretty basic build. I learned A TON during the build and enjoyed that part of the experience as much as the driving.

It was definitely a sunny day driver. But I did autocross it a couple of times, which it was quite a handful. That led to an interest in road racing, which led to the sale of the FFR Cobra and the purchase of a '95 Mustang Cobra, which was gutted, caged, and tracked at Road Atlanta, VIR, etc.

As a data point, there used to be a couple of vendors that made soft and hard tops for the FFR's.

Daniel

Thanks Daniel, glad you had a good experience building and driving. :thumbsup:

I was reminded yesterday of the kind of compromises a Cobra bring. The weather, like many places, can change on a dime around here. I left my windows open on a bright sunny day, and when we got home a short time later a whole bunch of electronics were wet.

I think the Cobra would be a ton of fun to own, just not as a primary 'nice appearing day' driver. :)

[GregWeld]

When I think "RESTOMOD" I think all the way......



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[GregWeld]

By the way ---- if I was buying a Cobra replica -- I'd buy a Superperformance model --- not a Factory Five version.

Friends own Park Place Ltd in Bellevue Washington and are a Superperformance dealer -- I always thought the quality was top notch.



100K less than the Craigslist '65


http://www.parkplaceltd.com/used-cars/detail/1965-Superformance-Cobra-MKIII/995/SP02023



60K Less -- big block badassery


http://www.parkplaceltd.com/new-cars/detail/1965-Superformance-427-Cobra-MkIII-SC/995/SPO3264

[fleetus macmullitz]

Re the Craigslist '65


#1 -- it's the wrong year -- '65's have never been sought after -- with one or two exceptions - the fuelie - or the high hp 327

#2 -- a good resto mod at that price needs to have a trick chassis to go with all the other mods....

#3 -- If you buy something like this -- you want to get the original motor etc so the car has extra value down the road.

#4 -- driver door already shows sag

#5 -- It's an automatic (boring to the max in a car like this)

LOL ----- other than it's 60K too high price it appears to be an "okay" car. The guy stopped before it was really a nice car (chassis etc).... to me -- it's like a half breed.... got some goodies - but lacks others. If I'm paying UP for a resto mod car -- it needs bad ass stance - fat tires - slammed - trick chassis -- 6 speed.... otherwise -- if it's going to look factory - then just be a factory restoration and have "value" for that. This is just my unhumble opinion of course.

Thanks Greg.

Not endorsing that car. I just like black over red. It was directed at Don, who likes the LS.

1. Any like for the '65 396-425hp cars?

2. Yep, when I saw no chassis at that price...nah. :shakehead:

3. I wouldn't buy any classic Vette without the SBC/BBC it was spose to come with, or a close facsimile.

4&5. Since it was an LS/auto car I really just gave it a quick look see.

I agree with how you would build it.Seems obviously built to a very specific taste. Most likely that will cost him big.

[GregWeld]

Yes Skip -- didn't think you were endorsing the car -- and, of course, we're just discussing "food for thought" here..... and many read all these posts -- so we're really just dissecting.


I will tell you -- Hillbanks -- always has a load of just killer Superperformance models ready for your choice of motor ---- and every time I go to look there - I get a pang of "I WANT".... the gut says I want -- the head says -- bad choice.... sometimes a bad choice can be good! LOL

Damn there's nothing quite like a big block body Cobra. They also sell the "continuation" cars... and for $160K that's what I'd buy vs the other replicas -- or I'd just buy a low milage Superperfomance version and use it for those days I could.

Investment wise - I'd buy the higher end Vette correct resto with paperwork -- if capital loss doesn't matter - I'd love to own the Restomod Vette - If I want to just fall in love -- it would be the Cobra (continuation for capital preservation - Superformance for lower initial cost).

[fleetus macmullitz]

When I think "RESTOMOD" I think all the way......


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That is all the way. :)

I need to drive a mid-year roadster restored correctly/drives right and see if I like it.

Maybe try the better looking coupes as well.

If I like the cars but not the factory ride and handling, I'd consider doing a restomod with a top rated chassis, a period correct BBC, 6 speed, 17" knockoffs, side exhaust, a/c, power windows, etc.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

Thanks for the very helpful suggestions and advice plus the linkage. I will browse there.

I prefer the looks of the Cobras to the Vettes. They make it tough to look away...lol

I would not be surprised to see a Cobra in your signature someday. IIRC you've resisting the urge for awhile.

:D

[GregWeld]

That is all the way. :)

I need to drive a mid-year roadster restored correctly/drives right and see if I like it.

Maybe try the better looking coupes as well.

If I like the cars but not the factory ride and handling, I'd consider doing a restomod with a top rated chassis, a period correct BBC, 6 speed, 17" knockoffs, side exhaust, a/c, power windows, etc.
The ride on a proper factory version is great -- nice touring cars... a new stock Prius will take it in the corners... back THEN they were the shizzle - today - not so much. That's not what people buy them for these days. They've BEEN a good place to park some cash -- have some enjoyment -- not lose too much....

Restomods are for the people that understand the old vettes are lame handlers -- want to redline a motor without the worry of blowing an original motor (thus destroying the value of the car by twice what a motor costs) and want something up to date - spirited handling is a priority - and modern LS power etc just works.... best to start with a NOM car - or some 327/300hp (or worse - the '64 327/250hp) powerslide tranny car... not worth much to begin with -- and spend a small fortune like any custom build.

To which I personally say --- AWESOME - go for it -- just know you'll spend 2 or 3X what it's going to be "worth". It's a niche market for cars like that - purists don't buy them - and it's now just another PT car and there's lots of 'em...





Greg,

Thanks for the very helpful suggestions and advice plus the linkage. I will browse there.

I prefer the looks of the Cobras to the Vettes. They make it tough to look away...lol

I would not be surprised to see a Cobra in your signature someday. IIRC you've resisting the urge for awhile.

:D


Charley gets in my head every time I even mention it.... LOL --- he is absolutely correct of course!

Then he talks me into the Porsche Turbo S drop top --- and GWEN loves the thing.... Drove it by herself roundtrip from here to Napa a few weeks ago and loved every minute of it. It's all the Cobra - fat hips - the restomod - and the Corvette rolled into one car.... top goes up and down - everything works every time you drive it - it doesn't use or leak oil - it's faster than snot - you can drive it in automatic or row the "stick". It's pretty tough to beat actually.

The Cobra is the hot date with all the baggage... The Vette is the smart hot girl that can cook... the Porsche is the hot successful lawyer that's also just plain nice to be around.... LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

"The Cobra is the hot date with all the baggage... The Vette is the smart hot girl that can cook... the Porsche is the hot successful lawyer that's also just plain nice to be around.... LOL"

Greg, I put that quote in a safe place...it's a keeper.

:thankyou:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Very cool Greg how well Gwen fares on a long trip like that in the Porsche.

#CharleyFTW


:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

One of the baddest C3's on the planet imho.

Pa-1_o44e68

[fleetus macmullitz]

'70 coupe with a 540 Merlin.

Daily driven 35 miles daily to work... 419K on it.

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[Vegas69]

'70 coupe with a 540 Merlin.

Daily driven 35 miles daily to work... 419K on it.

xBqHgenXgGk

Hot rodders are notoriously full of ****, but a 540 spinning 8k. sure

[GregWeld]

Hot rodders are notoriously full of ****, but a 540 spinning 8k. sure




Totally agree Todd! Complete BS --- and why would you "galvanize and powder coat" the chassis....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Same guy...

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[GregWeld]

At 8,000 RPM's it ought to be about 900+ HP.....

[GregWeld]

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[fleetus macmullitz]

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Nice...Bruh

:D

[thedugan]

So back to getting a Cobra.

not my car but makes me want to get one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ae5hd9UJ8k

[fleetus macmullitz]

So back to getting a Cobra.

not my car but makes me want to get one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ae5hd9UJ8k


Stay strong like Greg!

lol

[fleetus macmullitz]

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Not sure why anyone would want one of these...plus this one doesn't even have sidepipes.


:P

[fleetus macmullitz]

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I 'get' all the small block replicas, or the ones with the Coyote 5.0. Nice to see a big block Ford 427 in one though.

[NOPANTS68]

I share a FF Cobra with my dad. It's a Mark IV we built years ago together and have about 5200 miles on. Our car is an IRS unit using the upgraded 03-04 Cobra diff with custom pin drive axles. This allows for a 315 mm rear tire and a deep wheel. Car rides great and turns stupid quick. Ours runs about 475hp and a Tremec which is a good balance of power/weight for reference. I've never weighed it but it feels like 2500 or so lbs. Yeah it's a fair weather car, but it's one of the collection that gets warmed up on a nice night or a fall cruise. On the right day, I 100% guarantee you it's the perfect car. If people ask me if it's real I just tell them I don't know. I bought the FF car because of the value. I didn't want a show car or a car that's "accurate ". I'm no purist. My research showed me it was the best engineered frame and suspension out there. After seeing several competitive products apart at a local Cobra specialist, I'm glad I bought what I bought. Yes, the Superformance and the ERA are more "accurate" cars, but I'm in mine $42k done and unless you're building a car to admire from a lawn chair who cares. Build time should be 18 months or less including paint jail. If you need references or help let me know.

[GregWeld]

I share a FF Cobra with my dad. It's a Mark IV we built years ago together and have about 5200 miles on. Our car is an IRS unit using the upgraded 03-04 Cobra diff with custom pin drive axles. This allows for a 315 mm rear tire and a deep wheel. Car rides great and turns stupid quick. Ours runs about 475hp and a Tremec which is a good balance of power/weight for reference. I've never weighed it but it feels like 2500 or so lbs. Yeah it's a fair weather car, but it's one of the collection that gets warmed up on a nice night or a fall cruise. On the right day, I 100% guarantee you it's the perfect car. If people ask me if it's real I just tell them I don't know. I bought the FF car because of the value. I didn't want a show car or a car that's "accurate ". I'm no purist. My research showed me it was the best engineered frame and suspension out there. After seeing several competitive products apart at a local Cobra specialist, I'm glad I bought what I bought. Yes, the Superformance and the ERA are more "accurate" cars, but I'm in mine $42k done and unless you're building a car to admire from a lawn chair who cares. Build time should be 18 months or less including paint jail. If you need references or help let me know.



Good info! And spot on. The FF models were built to "race" or in other words -- have an up to date competitive suspension etc. Whereas the Superperformance brand is much more "replica". HUGE difference in costs --- but like everything --- there are reasons for that usually. One is a "kit car" designed for DYI -- one is built and sold as a car ready for motor and transmission of your choice.

Personally - I've never seen any of them - regardless of quality or fit and finish etc --- that I didn't swivel my head and think --- damn! I need one of those! LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

I share a FF Cobra with my dad. It's a Mark IV we built years ago together and have about 5200 miles on. Our car is an IRS unit using the upgraded 03-04 Cobra diff with custom pin drive axles. This allows for a 315 mm rear tire and a deep wheel. Car rides great and turns stupid quick. Ours runs about 475hp and a Tremec which is a good balance of power/weight for reference. I've never weighed it but it feels like 2500 or so lbs. Yeah it's a fair weather car, but it's one of the collection that gets warmed up on a nice night or a fall cruise. On the right day, I 100% guarantee you it's the perfect car. If people ask me if it's real I just tell them I don't know. I bought the FF car because of the value. I didn't want a show car or a car that's "accurate ". I'm no purist. My research showed me it was the best engineered frame and suspension out there. After seeing several competitive products apart at a local Cobra specialist, I'm glad I bought what I bought. Yes, the Superformance and the ERA are more "accurate" cars, but I'm in mine $42k done and unless you're building a car to admire from a lawn chair who cares. Build time should be 18 months or less including paint jail. If you need references or help let me know.

Like Greg said great write-up.

My fav... "On the right day, I 100% guarantee you it's the perfect car."


Thanks for those insights; very helpful. :thumbsup:

Nice vid flogging some of the very loud FF offerings. :cool:

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Factory Five w/331 destroked SBF efi motor. Best lap 1:49.

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And if a Cobra replica is good enough for Bob Bondurant...

:D

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[fleetus macmullitz]

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[GregWeld]

Bob personally told me the Cobra was "the worst car he ever raced".....


Here is why - when you're on track - you ALWAYS wear protective helmet - clothing - REAL BELTS - and have a roll cage/bar!! WTF ...... and you never ASSume everything will be just fine. You can blow a tire - break suspension - hit oil/anti-freeze.... have someone spinning.... someone tags you (even a bump can push you off track!)




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[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

Thanks for posting that vid. Having watched a number of Cobras being tracked, I wouldn't race one either for all the reasons you mentioned.

We have a huge deer population out here crossing all these 55mph back roads we have to travel on constantly. A family friend was just killed when he hit a deer on his motorcycle...and it doesn't look like a Cobra offers all that much more protection than a bike. He was just buried last weekend, so something that wasn't forefront in my thinking now is...for now at least.

A t-top C3 might be the best way to get a mostly open air experience, plus still offer more protection then a Cobra replica/C2 roadster; for blasting along these back roads.

I'm open minded on all 3 choices right now. Gotta drive all of them and see what's what.

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Thanks for posting that vid. Having watched a number of Cobras being tracked, I wouldn't race one either for all the reasons you mentioned.

We have a huge deer population out here crossing all these 55mph back roads we have to travel on constantly. A family friend was just killed when he hit a deer on his motorcycle...and it doesn't look like a Cobra offers all that much more protection than a bike. He was just buried last weekend, so something that wasn't forefront in my thinking now is...for now at least.

IIRC you like C3's about as much as a certain medical procedure, but a t-top C3 might be the best way to get a mostly open air experience, plus still offer more protection then a Cobra replica/C2 roadster; for blasting along these back roads.

I'm open minded on all 3 choices right now. Gotta drive all of them and see what's what.




If we're making a run to Boise (3 hours one way) and either need to start out early -- or be coming back at dusk --- I drive the pickup not the Porsche... for that very reason. We have Pronghorn Antelope - Elk - and Deer up the wazee around here. I don't need one thru the windshield. Now -- I'm not a "fatalist" or anything -- but I do try to minimize the challenges....

Obviously anything can happen at any time..... and there is a certain aspect of AVOIDANCE and a car with superior braking and handling might be able to avoid the problem.

My post of the Cobra wreck was more because I saw a passenger in the Bondurant video with ZERO protection - a lap belt - no helmet - no roll bar - on track..... even with experienced drivers -- stuff happens and it happens quickly.

I was at Oregon Raceway Park for a weekend event -- prior to the event Palatov had the track for testing their Pikes Peak car. Of course I had my nose in there talking to them etc. The driver asked if I'd like to go along on a track test. I asked -- "should I suit up etc?" --- He said --- You know what? I've never planned to have an accident -- but I've had plenty -- so since I never know when that's going to happen in advance.... I always suit up. DONE. Advice I don't forget.

[DBasher]

Skip, from what I've been reading here, I'd say a Vette is the way to go....if you fit. My hotrod (I call it my medicine) has two wheels and is used in the same way you're looking to "get away". I don't go out when it's raining but I've been rained on plenty of times, the flip side is the heat. The NW isn't known for having extreme temperatures in the summer but I can tell you, it's no fun sitting on a hot bike with the sun beating down on you. It gets exhausting and "this isn't fun anymore" pretty quick.

The weekend get away I just returned from had some great roads and beautiful scenery. I thought quite a bit about what kind of car would give the same feel and experience as a bike but also be comfortable. It wouldn't be a Cobra or Vette for me but it would have AC and a ragtop for sure.
:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

If we're making a run to Boise (3 hours one way) and either need to start out early -- or be coming back at dusk --- I drive the pickup not the Porsche... for that very reason. We have Pronghorn Antelope - Elk - and Deer up the wazee around here. I don't need one thru the windshield. Now -- I'm not a "fatalist" or anything -- but I do try to minimize the challenges....

Obviously anything can happen at any time..... and there is a certain aspect of AVOIDANCE and a car with superior braking and handling might be able to avoid the problem.

My post of the Cobra wreck was more because I saw a passenger in the Bondurant video with ZERO protection - a lap belt - no helmet - no roll bar - on track..... even with experienced drivers -- stuff happens and it happens quickly.

I was at Oregon Raceway Park for a weekend event -- prior to the event Palatov had the track for testing their Pikes Peak car. Of course I had my nose in there talking to them etc. The driver asked if I'd like to go along on a track test. I asked -- "should I suit up etc?" --- He said --- You know what? I've never planned to have an accident -- but I've had plenty -- so since I never know when that's going to happen in advance.... I always suit up. DONE. Advice I don't forget.

Good stuff Greg....thanks.

Yes, I didn't like seeing that guy with Bob Bondurant, aka 'Ferrari t-shirt guy', totally unprotected like that. Not cool.

Not a good feeling driving amidst all those big critters, is it...

Great advice from the Pikes Peak driver. :thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Skip, from what I've been reading here, I'd say a Vette is the way to go....if you fit. My hotrod (I call it my medicine) has two wheels and is used in the same way you're looking to "get away". I don't go out when it's raining but I've been rained on plenty of times, the flip side is the heat. The NW isn't known for having extreme temperatures in the summer but I can tell you, it's no fun sitting on a hot bike with the sun beating down on you. It gets exhausting and "this isn't fun anymore" pretty quick.

The weekend get away I just returned from had some great roads and beautiful scenery. I thought quite a bit about what kind of car would give the same feel and experience as a bike but also be comfortable. It wouldn't be a Cobra or Vette for me but it would have AC and a ragtop for sure.
:thumbsup:

Thanks Bash. :thumbsup:

I like bikes, and I know a soon to be 81 year old fellow that still rides, long distances too, which I think is very cool.

Good point about how well does one fit in a Vette, (or a Cobra for that matter), and how long would it be comfortable.

TBD...

[camcojb]

I've had an Arnst/Butler and a Superformance Cobra. Both great cars. Both had modified seats, but the Superformance was the only comfortable one to sit in at 6'5" tall. Also had more foot box room.

11.11 @ 128 on street tires was a lot of fun, but for some reason I didn't keep either car very long. My wife says I look embarrassed when I was driving it, like I didn't want all the attention they bring. That could be.

I sat in a friends 66 427 roadster Vette. That had less room than my Cobra lol. No head room at all, and the seat didn't go nearly far enough back for me. Not sure how big and tall you are but you need to get in one of these cars first and make sure you fit. :superhack:

[fleetus macmullitz]

Good info Jody.

I didn't know you too were a Cobra replica alumni club member. :)

Yes, footbox fit is key due to sciatica on the left side.

Interesting that you found your Cobras were a better fit interior wise than the much bigger Vette.

From watching this great vid again...

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...I guess I see why they would get a bunch of attention.

Maybe even more than a 1st gen with a well placed Lat-G sticker on it.

:D

[Sheck44]

Skip .. I built a really nice Factory 5 in 2010, and here are my thoughts in a nutshell

Nothing looks as cool, sounds so bad a$$, fun to drive and gets as much attention than a Cobra.

Pitfalls are as follows, can really only be driven when its between 70 - 80 degrees as they get real hot, and obviously no rain in the forecast. Depending on the driver (and other drivers around you) these cars are pretty dangerous. Sidepipes WILL eventually burn you or someone else

If you don't mind a car for the limited driving in perfect conditions then I'd seriously consider one

Just my 2 cents
Cheers
Steve

[GregWeld]

Skip .. I built a really nice Factory 5 in 2010, and here are my thoughts in a nutshell

Nothing looks as cool, sounds so bad a$$, fun to drive and gets as much attention than a Cobra.

Pitfalls are as follows, can really only be driven when its between 70 - 80 degrees as they get real hot, and obviously no rain in the forecast. Depending on the driver (and other drivers around you) these cars are pretty dangerous. Sidepipes WILL eventually burn you or someone else

If you don't mind a car for the limited driving in perfect conditions then I'd seriously consider one

Just my 2 cents
Cheers
Steve



Gotta love brutal honesty! I bow your direction sir!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Skip .. I built a really nice Factory 5 in 2010, and here are my thoughts in a nutshell

Nothing looks as cool, sounds so bad a$$, fun to drive and gets as much attention than a Cobra.

Pitfalls are as follows, can really only be driven when its between 70 - 80 degrees as they get real hot, and obviously no rain in the forecast. Depending on the driver (and other drivers around you) these cars are pretty dangerous. Sidepipes WILL eventually burn you or someone else

If you don't mind a car for the limited driving in perfect conditions then I'd seriously consider one

Just my 2 cents
Cheers
Steve

Always great to hear from someone who has 'lived' with a Cobra.

Very helpful info.

Thanks Steve. :thumbsup:

[Vegas69]

I've come to appreciate more versatility in a car. If the use is limited, so is the fun and seat time. Unless it's a race care, I like some refinement instead of raw, clunky, windy, and loud. Of course I just turned 40 so take it for what's worth. :D

[fleetus macmullitz]

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[fleetus macmullitz]

The 1969's are my fav C3's. I could see this checking a lot of boxes. Get the best heat shields on the sidepipes. Someone mentioned getting the sidepipes ceramic coated helps too. Do period correct looking wheels big enough to get some great brakes to fit. Good chance I'd efi it.

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'69 t-top bbc car being tracked...lightly. ;)

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Greg, here's what you were talking about, a C2 BBC roadster.

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[GregWeld]

Several things about the Corvette video.....


#1 - judging from the bouncy ass rear --- the shocks in that one are junk


#2 - I've never had a "sloppy" steering box in one - EVER - the reason for that is I always sent the box to RED HEAD STEERING in Seattle Washington --- DONE.

#3 - Ditto the brakes being "okay for an old car". With modern pads (on properly bedded rotors) - the cars brakes are FINE. Not 6 piston StopTechs - but more than "okay for an old car"....

#4 - I don't care what you attempt to do to the side exhaust - you're not going to stop them from burning the back of your calf IF you touch them... so don't waste the effort. Just remember they're there (you can't forget because your ears should be ringing) and when you swing out of the car - don't touch them. I'm 5'5" with short legs -- it was NEVER a problem. You also get in the habit of reminding your passengers. It's just that simple.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

Yep, too bad MT didn't pick a better example for that vid.

I hear you about the side exhaust.

Have you ever seen how some owners have rigged up a fitted insulated 'blanket' that they mount next to both seats and then roll them out over the exhaust when they exit?

I've seen them several times.

[clill]

Since you want a Cobra I would suggest you be patient and wait for killer deal on one. Drive it,get it out of your system and then sell it when you are ready to try something else. there are a ton of them out there and deals to be had.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Since you want a Cobra I would suggest you be patient and wait for killer deal on one. Drive it,get it out of your system and then sell it when you are ready to try something else. there are a ton of them out there and deals to be had.

Thanks Charley.

I think I'll just wait a few months for Greg to get tired of his...whenever it is that he gets a Cobra.

(Give him permission to get one please).

:stirthepot:

[Sheck44]

Skip .. good place to start unless you want a Superformance

http://www.ffcars.com/forums/18-factory-five-cars-sale-wanted-sponsored-intercity-lines/

Cheers
Steve

[GregWeld]

Since you want a Cobra I would suggest you be patient and wait for killer deal on one. Drive it,get it out of your system and then sell it when you are ready to try something else. there are a ton of them out there and deals to be had.



Good advice! There's no shortage of them - and the price swing from low to high is enormous. In fact - just thinking about it - I don't think I've ever seen one with high milage!

[GregWeld]

I'm sorry ---- this just busts me up....


Look what it costs (compare new to used here) to drive so few miles..... JUST WOW! I've known this all along - but thought I'd post it here since we're talking about 'em.




http://www.dupontregistry.com/autos/results/superformance

[MtotheIKEo]

I can't believe people are paying almost 6 figure for these things!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Thanks Steve. :thumbsup:

I made it over to the FF forum.

There's a mostly funny thread about FF guys talking to people about their other make of replicas.

The SPF guys can be extremely sensitive...lol

One example...

"I had an SPF guy go off about it not being a kit car when all I said was "nice car". "

[GregWeld]

I can't believe people are paying almost 6 figure for these things!



Really? Have you ever added up just the PARTS to build a car? Then add paint? They're a relative BARGAIN. Even more so when you buy a used one.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Really? Have you ever added up just the PARTS to build a car? Then add paint? They're a relative BARGAIN. Even more so when you buy a used one.

True dat.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I've come to appreciate more versatility in a car. If the use is limited, so is the fun and seat time. Unless it's a race care, I like some refinement instead of raw, clunky, windy, and loud. Of course I just turned 40 so take it for what's worth. :D

Todd,

Been thinking a lot about that.

How was your '69 to live with on longer drives?

[Vegas69]

It was a nice highway cruiser with good road manners. It was fairly raw with it's solid motor mounts and dump exhaust. That was my vision when I built it. I'd want something more refined if I built another. Something that needs less maintenance, quieter, smoother, and modern appointments. More function than raw performance.

I've had convertibles and the window they are useful is pretty narrow for me. They may be more useful in your environment.

[MtotheIKEo]

Really? Have you ever added up just the PARTS to build a car? Then add paint? They're a relative BARGAIN. Even more so when you buy a used one.

A used one, sure, that may be a bargain. Also not $100k. It's a pretty basic car, just hard to imagine paying that much for what you get. (Looking at that Superformane link you posted)

[Musclerodz]

My neighbor had a Superformance that was 1 of 2 with a 588 rousch. He stole it from a guy that had to sell NOW. Took him forever to sell it, and he wasn't asking the moon for it either. While it was narly to look at, sounded awesome, blah , blah, blah, I would never buy one as the market for them if very limited and saturated. Personally, I hated how far offset the pedal box was, akward if your not used to it. It was a great drive it to the local car show and watch everyone oogle over it, but that was about it for it.

A clone of Danny Popp's C3 is on my near future radar. I love that car.

[GregWeld]

Funny ---- a quarter mile from the house is The Sun Valley Lodge.... a wonderful historic "place" --- it's on the only road I take to get to my house - and lo and behold as I cruised home from a little fly fishing -- bright colors catch my eye!!

A gaggle of COBRAS parked side by side! LOL --- what's the odds of that - that they'd be here this week.

Probably 40 of them. And lots of trailers in the gravel lot out back. I was going to take a picture of them to post up here - but most of them were parked behind a gate. Wasn't really worth the effort (I'd have had to park and walk over -- LOL).

Maybe I should get the drone out and go buzz 'em.

[fleetus macmullitz]

The current owner posted this vid of the car Anne Francis drove.

https://s20.postimg.org/e71gni3vh/IMG_9370.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The 'show-touring' version of auto-crossing I guess.

:P

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[GregWeld]

That's pretty embarrassing......


LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

My neighbor had a Superformance that was 1 of 2 with a 588 rousch. He stole it from a guy that had to sell NOW. Took him forever to sell it, and he wasn't asking the moon for it either. While it was narly to look at, sounded awesome, blah , blah, blah, I would never buy one as the market for them if very limited and saturated. Personally, I hated how far offset the pedal box was, akward if your not used to it. It was a great drive it to the local car show and watch everyone oogle over it, but that was about it for it.

A clone of Danny Popp's C3 is on my near future radar. I love that car.

I searched on 'what is the best handling Cobra (replica)?'

Found several threads in which the majority of the responses said "JBL".

Below is from the former owner of the red JBL

"CHASSIS PARTICULARS

Distinctive to the JBL Roadster and designed by universally-respected Richard Hudgins, the chassis is a semi-monocoque structure fabricated from thin-wall (0.109" and 0.060") square steel (1018) tube and stress-bearing panels of mild-steel (#1018) 0.050" thickness. This delivers very high strength while maintaining a trim total vehicle mass/weight of only 2,400 lbs. [1,090 kg.].

The resulting chassis structure has an torsional stiffness of over 4,800 lbs./degree. Remember, the entire footwell area is made from steel, not fiberglass like almost all other replicas. This is the strongest, safest chassis and most torsionally rigid of any Cobra, either original or replica.

In its racing configuration (engine and gearbox stressed) the torsional stiffness will exceed 5,500 lbs./degree. This compares quite favorably to current Winston Cup and TransAm race vehicles. The installation of a full rollcage would further raise the rigidity to the region of 7,500 lbs./degree. The importance of chassis torsional rigidity is very simply the ability to maintain a stable platform for the suspension to operate from and relate to the road surface. Similarly, this über-rigid chassis also virtually eliminates wear & tear and potential stress-cracking on the fiberglass coachwork.

Front suspension: fully independent unequal-length A-arms with adjustable coils over QA1 shock absorbers.

Rear suspension: fully independent unequal-length A-arms, Ford Thunderbird hub carriers and adjustable coil-over QA1 shock absorbers."

The red one pictured was sold a few years ago. He goes into a lot more detail here for anyone interested...

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4salefolder/deanJ-JBL/home.html



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Not sure if they are still in production or not, but instead of building a chassis to fit an anatomically correct body made from a mold off a Shelby, they built a body to fit their super strong chassis. One benefit is bigger foot-boxes. Much higher price at the time which also limited their appeal.

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https://s20.postimg.org/xlygbdt0d/IMG_9329.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/o1etoi3o9/)

IIRC it was only designed for small blocks.

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[fleetus macmullitz]

Funny ---- a quarter mile from the house is The Sun Valley Lodge.... a wonderful historic "place" --- it's on the only road I take to get to my house - and lo and behold as I cruised home from a little fly fishing -- bright colors catch my eye!!

A gaggle of COBRAS parked side by side! LOL --- what's the odds of that - that they'd be here this week.

Probably 40 of them. And lots of trailers in the gravel lot out back. I was going to take a picture of them to post up here - but most of them were parked behind a gate. Wasn't really worth the effort (I'd have had to park and walk over -- LOL).

Maybe I should get the drone out and go buzz 'em.

Greg,

Sometime back I came across a write-up of the Sun Valley Lodge. Historic for sure. :thumbsup:

Oh and btw... imho if you came across a bunch of C2's, we'd be lookin' at pics by now!

:D

[fleetus macmullitz]

A clone of Danny Popp's C3 is on my near future radar. I love that car.

Mike,

I didn't know the story behind the '72 coupe...that both his Dad and his Mom ran auto-x with it and his Dad purchased the car in 1973 for that very purpose.

All-iron SBC too...old skool cool for sure.

http://www.superchevy.com/features/1304-chpp-1972-chevrolet-corvette-stingray/

[fleetus macmullitz]

Car selling 101 right here...aka 'how to sell a $100K C2'.

https://pennstate.craigslist.org/cto/d/corvette-3-deuces-car/6275804248.html


:popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

Greg,

Sometime back I came across a write-up of the Sun Valley Lodge. Historic for sure. :thumbsup:

Oh and btw... imho if you came across a bunch of C2's, we'd be lookin' at pics by now!

:D



No --- I would have done the same thing..... Only reason I'd have stopped to take the pic was just to tie the coincidence of them being here in town with the thread being fresh. I have 20,000 car photos on my computer.... don't really need any more. LOL

Sun Valley is "historic" for one reason -- it was the WORLDS very first ski lift (1936). Averell Harriman (owner of Union Pacific Railways) had it built and built the lodge for his rich and famous friends - and to pimp passengers to ride his railroad. A walk thru the hallways is a trip back in history of the "who's who" during several decades.

Funny -- the stores at the base of the mountain are named "The Brass Ranch" -- the area was, in fact, the Brass Ranch - which was purchased (at $4 per acre) to build the "resort". To put that into perspective.... I bought 1.6 acres for 1.625M - to put that into perspective - current owners of "Sun Valley" bought the entire operation in 1977 for 12M - of which my property was part of that deal. LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,


My wife likes old musicals and watched

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Valley_Serenade that was filmed there.

Being in the same room, I caught some friendly fire.

:waveflag:

[GregWeld]

Okay -- just for you Skeep..... I pulled over on my way home and took a couple shots.

There are 26 ORIGINAL Cobras -- about to start on a 1000 mile cruise up in to Montana and back here (their trailers are all here). It explains them being at the Lodge (not the cheapest place in town - it's 5 star hotel).





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[fleetus macmullitz]

I appreciate that Greg. :thumbsup:

Food will taste better, you'll sleep better, Charley might even be a little nicer (for one day). All these kinds of things happen to people that take pics of real Cobras.


:thankyou:

[Musclerodz]

Okay -- just for you Skeep..... I pulled over on my way home and took a couple shots.

There are 26 ORIGINAL Cobras -- about to start on a 1000 mile cruise up in to Montana and back here (their trailers are all here). It explains them being at the Lodge (not the cheapest place in town - it's 5 star hotel).





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http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=63130&stc=1&d=1505162716You think they would have security on site with that much money laying around.

[fleetus macmullitz]

https://s20.postimg.org/jls9oviu5/IMG_9422.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[GregWeld]

You think they would have security on site with that much money laying around.



Oh they do.... trust me.

[GregWeld]

https://s20.postimg.org/jls9oviu5/IMG_9422.jpg (https://postimages.org/)



Okay -- you know he was a Sun Valley guy right?


http://hallhall.com/ranches-for-sale/properties/pioneer-moon-ranch


And you know he had a LOTUS 11 -------- which is why the late models are called a Lotus 2-11 ---- it's the second version from the original 11 --- they're twice as heavy and twice the horsepower....


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[GregWeld]

I appreciate that Greg. :thumbsup:

Food will taste better, you'll sleep better, Charley might even be a little nicer (for one day). All these kinds of things happen to people that take pics of real Cobras.


:thankyou:



Never happen..... and I have to spend 6 or 7 days with him this month on the GoodGuys Hall of Fame Tour.... UGH!

[fleetus macmullitz]

Greg,

The Sun Valley/McQueen stuff sounds familiar, but I didn't know about the Lotus.

Thanks.

[fleetus macmullitz]

https://s20.postimg.org/3rvqxynml/IMG_9108.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/eepk3dvrt/)

Maybe built by this guy?

https://s20.postimg.org/94klc3bj1/IMG_9440.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/6ahfyn9cp/)

[Ketzer]

I've never had the desire to own a Cobra but I have enjoyed the veiwpoints in this thread! A lot of it could be applied to most hotrods....

[fleetus macmullitz]

I've never had the desire to own a Cobra but I have enjoyed the veiwpoints in this thread! A lot of it could be applied to most hotrods....

Good point...

[fleetus macmullitz]

Besides Factory Five (which I need to study a lot more) another popular replica I found is Backdraft.

I like the pro-touring vibe some of them have too. Uses a suspension system based on a BMW M3 suspendion iirc.

https://s20.postimg.org/qemnla5gd/IMG_9277.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/l37r0kjdl/)

https://s20.postimg.org/nhzmkzzml/IMG_9280.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/vwanvcba5/IMG_9271.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/box831dsp/)

https://s20.postimg.org/uep7js6jh/IMG_9269.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Optional 'GT' fender treatment. Personally I'd pass on it...

https://s20.postimg.org/bibpul4pp/IMG_9470.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/lxhw3i1wd/IMG_9466.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/mj6uzlwyl/IMG_9473.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/h2ssiysyl/IMG_9477.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/loowrbehl/)

[GregWeld]

Quit talking and buy something.

[GregWeld]

Backdraft is a Florida company --- now's the time to strike a deal. They'll be in need of cash for cleanup.

Remember these are glass bodied cars --- therefore are not "expensive" to start with. They have several in stock and ready for you to install a motor. Pick up the phone and buy something.

[fleetus macmullitz]

NEVER EVER EVER NEVER buy a car you haven't looked at with your own eyes and DRIVEN YOURSELF. It's a 100K car -- spend $1500 on airfare and a hotel room. If you can't do that -- then you shouldn't be buying anything.

No buyee over the phone.

See above.

:P

[GregWeld]

No buyee over the phone.

See above.

:P

They still fly airplanes.....

[fleetus macmullitz]

They still fly airplanes.....

Yep.

Found one especially for Florida...Bruh ;)

https://s20.postimg.org/g4cfgofml/IMG_9485.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


(No offense to our Florida folks of course).

These guys are Backdraft dealers and are a lot closer.

http://www.toybarncars.com/inventory?page=2

Found a Vette in the same state too.

[GregWeld]

No buyee over the phone.

See above.

:P




Ah ----- WTF..... forgot you're not dealing with Charley

[fleetus macmullitz]

I don't mind if I have to take a plane ride... gives me a chance to catch up on my reading.

https://s20.postimg.org/roh98ponx/IMG_9490.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/d5a47avix/)


:popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=63140&stc=1&d=1505258671

[fleetus macmullitz]

^^^^^^^
I see it got very good reviews.

If McQeen had lived, he and fellow SV resident Clint Eastwood would both be 87.

Likely you remember this article Greg. And since CE talks about 'Pale Rider', it doesn't count as hijacking my own thread....lol

https://s20.postimg.org/6nr7nsl5p/IMG_9496.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/70iltz3fd/)

[GregWeld]

He was a car guy - McQueen..... so it's still a car thread! LOL

Eastwood is here all the time --- and hangs out at the Warm Springs ski lodge - where he is free just to be himself. Not a soul bothers him. He can hang with his friends and just go out and ski. Ditto the myriad of other 'famous' folks that have homes around here. They can just come and be people, not famous people. They can work out at the gym - ski - have a nice lunch in a restaurant.... nobody asks for an autograph or pulls out a camera. It's kind cool like that here. Not sure why it's like that - but it is.

I think that's why the Allen & Company conference has been here for so many years -- all of those folks can come and feel safe -- and not be bothered one iota.

26 REAL Cobras come here to cruise town - and drive around - cruise the mountain hiways.... and they don't have to worry about them. I've never removed the keys from my cars or locked them - since I moved here. Pretty nice to live that way. They've come here for several years now it seems.

So now you need to buy a real Cobra...... and come cruise with them!!! LOL -- See how I brought that back to a Cobra discussion?



:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :G-Dub: :flashie:

[DBasher]

If you're looking for the real deal, Skip...I got a guy. It's real but doesn't have any kind of important history...other than it's a real Cobra :lostmarbles: He mentioned it was for sale...you know it's a great investment.😎

[GregWeld]

Love the car next to it --- BP -- "B" Production. That's what Old Yeller is supposed to be a clone of -- and Charley owned, and tracked, a real B/P 1966 GT 350 that I think was a class champion.

Lined up here -- Big Mike and his NASCAR - CHARLIES '66 - ME - and then Chet (used to be Pantera Bob's car)






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[fleetus macmullitz]

Making sure the 'yutes get a proper education. :)

https://s20.postimg.org/3t223xafx/IMG_9519.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/7zmwj9a1p/IMG_9517.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The guy in the background almost looks like a security type...interesting.

https://s20.postimg.org/y97z21vz1/IMG_9518.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/4xw49awwt/IMG_9513.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/rmlb8veah/)

[fleetus macmullitz]

He was a car guy - McQueen..... so it's still a car thread! LOL

Eastwood is here all the time --- and hangs out at the Warm Springs ski lodge - where he is free just to be himself. Not a soul bothers him. He can hang with his friends and just go out and ski. Ditto the myriad of other 'famous' folks that have homes around here. They can just come and be people, not famous people. They can work out at the gym - ski - have a nice lunch in a restaurant.... nobody asks for an autograph or pulls out a camera. It's kind cool like that here. Not sure why it's like that - but it is.

I think that's why the Allen & Company conference has been here for so many years -- all of those folks can come and feel safe -- and not be bothered one iota.

26 REAL Cobras come here to cruise town - and drive around - cruise the mountain hiways.... and they don't have to worry about them. I've never removed the keys from my cars or locked them - since I moved here. Pretty nice to live that way. They've come here for several years now it seems.

So now you need to buy a real Cobra...... and come cruise with them!!! LOL -- See how I brought that back to a Cobra discussion?


:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :G-Dub: :flashie:

Sun Valley sounds like a very special place. :thumbsup:

The old saying "You are known by the company you keep." seems to fit SV. :)

26 real deal Cobras there...hope someone took some high quality vids.

I hadn't thought about owning a real one until you and Bash brought it up.


If you're looking for the real deal, Skip...I got a guy. It's real but doesn't have any kind of important history...other than it's a real Cobra :lostmarbles: He mentioned it was for sale...you know it's a great investment.😎

Thanks Bash for posting that.

#yesplease

I like the investment part to go along with the fun factor. :)

Love the car next to it --- BP -- "B" Production. That's what Old Yeller is supposed to be a clone of -- and Charley owned, and tracked, a real B/P 1966 GT 350 that I think was a class champion.

Lined up here -- Big Mike and his NASCAR - CHARLIES '66 - ME - and then Chet (used to be Pantera Bob's car)

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/attachment.php4?attachmentid=63142&stc=1&d=1505306426

Cool pic Greg. :thumbsup:

[DBasher]

That BP car happens to be the first Shelby built for competition, I believe it's serial number 002. The owner actually has serial number 001 as well which was the first "street" version....and the last Shelby built in 69...and 2 of 4 Shelby convertibles. It's a great place to go work for the day. :flag2:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hemmings.com/magazine/mus/2015/02/Shelby-Nirvana/3746831.html%3famp=1

[fleetus macmullitz]

That BP car happens to be the first Shelby built for competition, I believe it's serial number 002. The owner actually has serial number 001 as well which was the first "street" version....and the last Shelby built in 69...and 2 of 4 Shelby convertibles. It's a great place to go work for the day. :flag2:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hemmings.com/magazine/mus/2015/02/Shelby-Nirvana/3746831.html%3famp=1

Very impressive Bash...

[fleetus macmullitz]

Funny the stuff you come across when you're not even looking to further suck up more bandwidth here...

:BlahBlah: :BlahBlah:

https://s20.postimg.org/ef4aywaal/IMG_9625.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/g6x9tstnd/)

Credit to Lee Stewart and his little 3.5mm page view muscle car thread.

https://www.highdefforum.com/1412525-post13911.html

That appears to be bigger than the legendary 'locked but loaded' BMF Camaro thread...

:P

[GregWeld]

I met her - in an unusual way..... parking the OUSCI cars in front of the Museum so we could get a photo... and then tour the museum. This was - of course - a closed event.... and I was sending the OUSCI cars one way - and the supporting folks etc to a different area.

A gentleman rolls up in a Shelby Super Snake - with a nice lady passenger - and stopped so that I could ask who they were with - and park them accordingly..... The guy says nicely "we're here with the museum" - but by the time he could spit that out - she had gotten out of the car and came around to introduce herself. LOL -- She was so sweet -- not a "do you know who I am" attitude.... just thanked me for volunteering - asked if I was having fun - if I'd seen the museum before - and just made me feel like we were just having a nice chat. Made some nice comments about the cool cars being parked and what a killer shot that was going to be etc. She was so gracious.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I met her - in an unusual way..... parking the OUSCI cars in front of the Museum so we could get a photo... and then tour the museum. This was - of course - a closed event.... and I was sending the OUSCI cars one way - and the supporting folks etc to a different area.

A gentleman rolls up in a Shelby Super Snake - with a nice lady passenger - and stopped so that I could ask who they were with - and park them accordingly..... The guy says nicely "we're here with the museum" - but by the time he could spit that out - she had gotten out of the car and came around to introduce herself. LOL -- She was so sweet -- not a "do you know who I am" attitude.... just thanked me for volunteering - asked if I was having fun - if I'd seen the museum before - and just made me feel like we were just having a nice chat. Made some nice comments about the cool cars being parked and what a killer shot that was going to be etc. She was so gracious.

Greg,

Talk about lasting first impressions...wow. :thumbsup:

Very cool story.

Thanks for sharing that.

[GregWeld]

It's been pouring here for the last two days --- such is life at high altitudes..... the Cobras are supposed to be returning here today -- since all of their trailers are here in the parking lot.

Times like these I'd prefer something with a top and windows and heat and A/C.... They're on a 1000 mile trip in the mountains.... today's high so far is 47*

[Fluid Power]

Here is one for sale:

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/427-c-cobra/6302361796.html

[Fluid Power]

Or perhaps this.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/282648504152


This is just nuts!

Darren

[fleetus macmullitz]

It's been pouring here for the last two days --- such is life at high altitudes..... the Cobras are supposed to be returning here today -- since all of their trailers are here in the parking lot.

Times like these I'd prefer something with a top and windows and heat and A/C.... They're on a 1000 mile trip in the mountains.... today's high so far is 47*

Like you suggested Greg, a C2 roadster done right and equipped with a/c, p/s and p/w offers way more useability.

But if rawness is the #1 priority, there is a Cobra in every flavor.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Here is one for sale:

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/d/427-c-cobra/6302361796.html

Or perhaps this.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/282648504152


This is just nuts!

Darren

Thanks for the links Darren. :thumbsup:

[RDuke]

It all depends on how you build it. Sometimes they are a PITA to deal with, sometimes they are a pleasure to drive. It costs a little more to build it yourself vs. buying it, but you can modify it to make it what you want.

After 6 or 7 muscle car builds, I dipped my toes into the cobra replica world last year and built this. Overall it was about the same work/price as a full muscle car build (lower end PT build) but I'm pleased with the comfort and ease of use. The top works great and stores away in the trunk.

If you go this route, make sure you first research registration. It varies wildly by state. I ended up spending 2m to register it, including nearly a dozen meetings/inspections and having to buy an older car, having it crushed to do an epa energy credit transfer for emissions exemption. I won't be doing that again anytime soon.

Build thread:
http://thefactoryfiveforum.com/showthread.php?19953-8793-MK4-Build-(-15-IRS-16-Coyote-15-quot-wheels)

Finished product:
https://s26.postimg.org/qp19bfnih/2017_Duke_Cobra_iphone1.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/6hntj4q11/)

https://s26.postimg.org/7crcjjwuh/IMG_7159.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/6n8k76wat/)

[DBasher]

No stripes, scoop or side pipes....looks perfect!
Nice work.:thumbsup:

[fleetus macmullitz]

RDuke,

I read your great build thread.

Very informative plus lots of pics.

Highly recommended reading for anyone interested in building a Factory Five '65 Roadster'.

Great job. :thumbsup:

Hope you post some driving vids here at some point.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Kevin Oeste explains the 4th version of the 1967 Shelby Cobras, the 'street' version, which came without sidepipes and a hood scoop...among a number of other differences.

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[fleetus macmullitz]

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[fleetus macmullitz]

https://s20.postimg.org/v9j72vme5/IMG_9869.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/75sfel3x5/)


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[Roarvette]

I may be the worst person to ask about this, I love them both, have had the Cobra Replica for 28 years, 427 Side Oiler, with Top Loader transmission... All the best stuff. A complete blast to drive.
Or,...
Mid Year Corvette with 502 CI big block, 6sp transmission, AC, Power windows, full roll cage...

I don't NEED either, but having both kind of rocks...

[fleetus macmullitz]

28 years...wow!

One of each makes the most sense...haha. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

I may be the worst person to ask about this, I love them both, have had the Cobra Replica for 28 years, 427 Side Oiler, with Top Loader transmission... All the best stuff. A complete blast to drive.
Or,...
Mid Year Corvette with 502 CI big block, 6sp transmission, AC, Power windows, full roll cage...

I don't NEED either, but having both kind of rocks...




Nice combo!

Need never has a place in our world -- unless you're shopping for a minivan....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Real deal '65 Shelby Cobra with an automatic...


https://s20.postimg.org/8klvd6plp/IMG_0887.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://s20.postimg.org/ci952lcf1/IMG_0888.jpg (https://postimages.org/)