1970 Mustang / Ron Sutton / SpeedTech Track Warrior

[GregWeld]

Today started a new track car build --- rather than messing with the superb '65 Yellow Mustang -- I'd post a picture but it takes too much effort just for illustration -- it's the car in my signature.

So we're going to cut up the recently purchased 2007 Mustang Track car.

See here: http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=54720


The motor in that car is "lame" -- well to be honest -- to most it would be fantastic - but NOT after you've driven my yellow '65..... and it has the usual blower belt "issues" (A known fact of using blowers and stick shifts and hitting the rev limiter)..... I enlisted the help of my friend Gary Patterson (President of Carroll Shelby) to see if there is a suitable fix - but there really isn't one that I want to be bothered with...... I drive a car off the rev limiter every shift if I can.... so that whole thing is just not for the way I drive. I'm not going on track to short shift ANYTHING.... LOL


So a plan has been hatched!


The '07 will go to SpeedTech in St George Utah for a complete gutting. A complete Ron Sutton chassis will be installed -- it will also get a Ron Sutton LS7 dry sumped Track Warrior of around 700 to 750hp -- an EMCO sequential transmission - new cage - all new suspension (Rons) and whatever else we deem to be in order.


See some of the details of the Ron Sutton Race Technologies Track Warrior cars here:

http://www.ronsutton-racetechnology.com/pages.item.27/Track-Warrior.html


November should be about the start date -- and hopefully we'll be on track 6 or 7 months later. Money was wired to cover ordering all the major components and some of the other stuff as well -- clutch - brakes (All new StopTech) etc. So when SpeedTech is ready to drop the floors out of this pig -- they'll have everything they need in house all ready to go.

[rustomatic]

First! Just kidding--I'm way older than 12. That sounds awesome, Greg. I wish I could afford to drive it; maybe you can have a passenger seat in this car . . . Hopefully, I'll have the stupid Falcon on the track before you can drive this newer 'Stang without the mechanical aptitude of Ron Schwarz. He was pretty darn good at swapping that belt, though . . .

[Flash68]

Show off.

Will it be faster than Rob's Mustang?

[GregWeld]

First! Just kidding--I'm way older than 12. That sounds awesome, Greg. I wish I could afford to drive it; maybe you can have a passenger seat in this car . . . Hopefully, I'll have the stupid Falcon on the track before you can drive this newer 'Stang without the mechanical aptitude of Ron Schwarz. He was pretty darn good at swapping that belt, though . . .


Funny -- the belt only flipped off for him -- LOL


He must have hands of steel because he swapped out about 6 belts on that POS!!

Frankly --- I was going to just start a completely fresh Track Warrior build --- and then went to bed and thought ---- WTF ---- I already have a complete car that could be the donor.... it will be faster and less expensive to not have to buy all the incidentals it takes ..... things like Lexan and door handles and lights and dash and on and on..... The 2007 already has a composite hood - doors - roof skin - lexan front and rear - gutted composite doors that function..... fuel tank -- mirrors etc and all these little things that not only must be purchased - but they take TIME and LABOR to be installed etc.

[GregWeld]

Show off.

Will it be faster than Rob's Mustang?




Probably not..... Cars need TALENT to be fast.... most people forget about that. LOL

[DBasher]

- and then went to bed and thought ---- WTF ---- I already have a complete car that could be the donor.....

BRILLIANT!!


And then there were 3

[GregWeld]

BRILLIANT!!


And then there were 3




Is that a fancy way for spelling Dumas Stupidity?

[Musclerodz]

awesome!

[wiedemab]

Oooooohhh -- this is going to be fun!

[SSLance]

Heck yeah!! Sounds like this will be fun.

Best part will be all the Ferd guys panties getting wadded up with the install of the LS7...

[DBasher]

Is that a fancy way for spelling Dumas Stupidity?

No limits!!! FTW!

How many sets of wheels for this one?
ps, dibs!

[GregWeld]

Heck yeah!! Sounds like this will be fun.

Best part will be all the Ferd guys panties getting wadded up with the install of the LS7...

Oh I'm sure!

It's been done many times -- but yeah -- the Ford purists get all crazy.

[Panteracer]

The sequential tranny will be a big help
Viper boy and I have been running with Gt-3
Porsches and hanging with them but the new ones
with the sequential boxes now pull away down the front
straight. Very impressed with their box. Have not heard
how the emco box works

Would have loved to see the ring Brothers carbon fiber
Track Warrier built but the 17 sounds like it will more than do
the job.

It will be fun to see this one run

Bob

[Ron in SoCal]

EMCO, Baller!

I f'n love the plan :D

[rickpaw]

I'll be following along.

[GregWeld]

The sequential tranny will be a big help
Viper boy and I have been running with Gt-3
Porsches and hanging with them but the new ones
with the sequential boxes now pull away down the front
straight. Very impressed with their box. Have not heard
how the emco box works

Would have loved to see the ring Brothers carbon fiber
Track Warrier built but the 17 sounds like it will more than do
the job.

It will be fun to see this one run

Bob






There's no real reason for it (the sequential) except I wanted one. Was going to put one in the Lotus - but just never drove the Lotus enough (or wanted to) to pull the trigger on it. Always figured I'd do it if I had to replace the trans or rebuild the motor etc.




EMCO, Baller!

I f'n love the plan :D





HA!! You probably have two spares....




I'll be following along.




I won't be posting pics! LOL

[clill]

And then I get to buy it back cheap when he gets bored in a few months.

[gofastwclass]

And then I get to buy it back cheap when he gets bored in a few months.

Now THAT's funny! :ohsnap:

[Flash68]

Best part will be all the Ferd guys panties getting wadded up with the install of the LS7...

This guy gets it! :D

[DBasher]

This guy gets it! :D

Apparently he's not the only one....:popcorn2:

[rickpaw]

I won't be posting pics! LOL

Greg,

Reading the comments on here is just as entertaining. :lol:

[GregWeld]

Now THAT's funny! :ohsnap:



Please don't encourage him..........

[BMR Sales]

Today started a new track car build --- rather than messing with the superb '65 Yellow Mustang -- I'd post a picture but it takes too much effort just for illustration -- it's the car in my signature.

So we're going to cut up the recently purchased 2007 Mustang Track car.

See here: http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=54720


The motor in that car is "lame" -- well to be honest -- to most it would be fantastic - but NOT after you've driven my yellow '65..... and it has the usual blower belt "issues" (A known fact of using blowers and stick shifts and hitting the rev limiter)..... I enlisted the help of my friend Gary Patterson (President of Carroll Shelby) to see if there is a suitable fix - but there really isn't one that I want to be bothered with...... I drive a car off the rev limiter every shift if I can.... so that whole thing is just not for the way I drive. I'm not going on track to short shift ANYTHING.... LOL


So a plan has been hatched!


The '07 will go to SpeedTech in St George Utah for a complete gutting. A complete Ron Sutton chassis will be installed -- it will also get a Ron Sutton LS7 dry sumped Track Warrior of around 700 to 750hp -- an EMCO sequential transmission - new cage - all new suspension (Rons) and whatever else we deem to be in order.


See some of the details of the Ron Sutton Race Technologies Track Warrior cars here:

http://www.ronsutton-racetechnology.com/pages.item.27/Track-Warrior.html


November should be about the start date -- and hopefully we'll be on track 6 or 7 months later. Money was wired to cover ordering all the major components and some of the other stuff as well -- clutch - brakes (All new StopTech) etc. So when SpeedTech is ready to drop the floors out of this pig -- they'll have everything they need in house all ready to go.

Cool!:gitrdun:

[BMR Sales]

And then I get to buy it back cheap when he gets bored in a few months.


:lmao:

[Flash68]

And then I get to buy it back cheap when he gets bored in a few months.

and realizes it's an 07 Mustang. :peepwall:

[Ron Sutton]

I attached a photo rendering of what it will look like when finished ...


:) :thumbsup: :ohsnap: :D :lmao: :cheers:


.

[clill]

Just his size.

[waynieZ]

Just his size.

I was waiting for you to post that.
Nice Greg.

[GregWeld]

I was waiting for you to post that.
Nice Greg.



I do still own photos of a certain "thread contributor" in HIS little blue speck of a car.... :goggles:

[Blake Foster]

CRAZY 3 pages in and I am just finding out about this PLAN!!!

[GregWeld]

CRAZY 3 pages in and I am just finding out about this PLAN!!!




Oh I meant to call you --- parts should be arriving any day now! Prepare to get ready!

LOL

[Blake Foster]

Oh I meant to call you --- parts should be arriving any day now! Prepare to get ready!

LOL

ANY DAY NOW LOL should i hold my breath

[jarhead]

along for the ride, mostly for the humor :gitrdun:

[GregWeld]

ANY DAY NOW LOL should i hold my breath



Sure ---- but I'm not paying you any extra....

[Spiffav8]

This should be fun. :)

[NOT A TA]

Oh I meant to call you --- parts should be arriving any day now! Prepare to get ready!

LOL

AHAHAHAHA! So much for scheduling................

[Vegas69]

Once you finish this one, maybe you should take over Dave's build and polish that one off too. :poke:

[Flash68]

Once you finish this one, maybe you should take over Dave's build and polish that one off too. :poke:

I am thinking many guys around here could "fix" their projects with a 6 figure wire transfer too. :lol:

[Tinker]

So what's the record number of replies to a single post?
I think this one might have a shot.... before the car gets started. :lmao: This is going to be a riot to drive when it's done.

[fleetus macmullitz]

I am thinking many guys around here could "fix" their projects with a 6 figure wire transfer too. :lol:

I like your way better, send six figures+ in total to many different shops.

You are the 'Lat G Proletarian of the decade! (2010-2020)

:thankyou:

[Spiffav8]

So what's the record number of replies to a single post?
I think this one might have a shot.... before the car gets started. :lmao: This is going to be a riot to drive when it's done.

Yeah it escalated quickly for sure. It will be more smack talk than car related, but a lot of fun none the less. :lol:

[Vegas69]

I am thinking many guys around here could "fix" their projects with a 6 figure wire transfer too. :lol:

You know what they say about excuses...:lol:

[Blake Foster]

Sure ---- but I'm not paying you any extra....

actually if you read the contract ........................:action-smiley-027:

[GregWeld]

NEWS FLASHIE THINGY



Instead of doing the 2007 -- I'm going to cut up the '65 Yellow car. I've wanted to "improve it" but hesitated because quite frankly -
it's such a great car NOW as is.... and for whatever reason seemed to me to need to be protected from hackers like me. So I thought - nobody cares about the 2007 - so, tag - it's it. But the Old Yeller is the car my heart LOVES.

That car, (the '65) with what we're going to do to it, will be so bad as s! Unlike JCG/Karl cutting up a real 440/6 pack car -- the '65 Mustang was a "nothing" car when born.... it's just a body.... and it's already been heavily modified and turned into a track car. It has no original motor - it wasn't a real GT350 - it has no pedigree. So here we go..... ya gotta cut to cure. LOL The 2007 will be sold (I don't need any back up cars anymore - since Sutton took over management the stuff just works crazy good.

[GregWeld]

The Cortex '66 coupe will be the "model" for the '65.....






62750

[Jr]

same plan as before... LS7 and all?

[Blake Foster]

same plan as before... LS7 and all?

that part hasn't changed

[fleetus macmullitz]

that part hasn't changed

The day is still young...Bruh


:P

[Build-It-Break-it]

I'm glad you went with the 65,but why not just buy another body instead of hacking up yours?

[GregWeld]

I'm glad you went with the 65,but why not just buy another body instead of hacking up yours?




And what purpose would that serve?

[Flash68]

and realizes it's an 07 Mustang. :peepwall:

NEWS FLASHIE THINGY

Instead of doing the 2007 -- I'm going to cut up the '65 Yellow car. I've wanted to "improve it" but hesitated because quite frankly -
it's such a great car NOW as is.... and for whatever reason seemed to me to need to be protected from hackers like me. So I thought - nobody cares about the 2007 - so, tag - it's it. But the Old Yeller is the car my heart LOVES.

That car, (the '65) with what we're going to do to it, will be so bad as s! Unlike JCG/Karl cutting up a real 440/6 pack car -- the '65 Mustang was a "nothing" car when born.... it's just a body.... and it's already been heavily modified and turned into a track car. It has no original motor - it wasn't a real GT350 - it has no pedigree. So here we go..... ya gotta cut to cure. LOL The 2007 will be sold (I don't need any back up cars anymore - since Sutton took over management the stuff just works crazy good.

Welcome back Gregor. :bigun2: :thumbsup:

[Build-It-Break-it]

And what purpose would that serve?

I guess in my eyes if your going to be pretty much building a car from scratch why cut up a running car?

Your changing motors,suspension,cutting things up etc etc. Your pretty much building a new car anyways?

Your Mustang just seems well sorted for what it is. To dive into it when you can start from scratch. It just seems like a waste of your current Mustang.

Not questioning your plan,just more curious as your thought on it more then anything. Either way it'll be a cool build to watch.

[rustomatic]

I live to mess up a perfectly good thing--rock on, Greg!

Do you feel a need for IRS in this new revision of 'Yeller?

[Blake Foster]

The day is still young...Bruh


:P

isn't THAT the TRUTH!! :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
i think that Emoji sums it up

[Ron in SoCal]

isn't THAT the TRUTH!! :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:
i think that Emoji sums it up

Title of the thread hasn't changed yet ... :goggles:

[Ron in SoCal]

oh, and no pics so really G-Dub could be cutting up a GT40 for all we know.

[57hemicuda]

Totally Fing up a really, really good car. But its his really really good car, and with the crew that is on board, it will be a really really better car. Just glad its a vintage car and not an 07 Mustang.

If it worked as good as it did on leaf springs, (and it did work), cant wait to see what they come up with. And I have a soft spot for LS7 Mustangs

[DBasher]

NEWS FLASHIE THINGY



Instead of doing the 2007 -- I'm going to cut up the '65 Yellow car. I've wanted to "improve it" but hesitated because quite frankly -
it's such a great car NOW as is.... and for whatever reason seemed to me to need to be protected from hackers like me. So I thought - nobody cares about the 2007 - so, tag - it's it. But the Old Yeller is the car my heart LOVES.

That car, (the '65) with what we're going to do to it, will be so bad as s! Unlike JCG/Karl cutting up a real 440/6 pack car -- the '65 Mustang was a "nothing" car when born.... it's just a body.... and it's already been heavily modified and turned into a track car. It has no original motor - it wasn't a real GT350 - it has no pedigree. So here we go..... ya gotta cut to cure. LOL The 2007 will be sold (I don't need any back up cars anymore - since Sutton took over management the stuff just works crazy good.


BRILLIANTER!!

[Flash68]

BRILLIANTER!!

Greg showed he is somewhat human for about 48 hrs there....

[DBasher]

Greg showed he is somewhat human for about 48 hrs there....

He has been talking about flares for a few years now...and if you're going to do flares you might as well do everything else.

[WSSix]

Don't forget Maier's Mustang. That's a seriously badass gen 1 mustang, too.

Sounds like fun, Greg. Good luck on the build.

[GregWeld]

I guess in my eyes if your going to be pretty much building a car from scratch why cut up a running car?

Your changing motors,suspension,cutting things up etc etc. Your pretty much building a new car anyways?

Your Mustang just seems well sorted for what it is. To dive into it when you can start from scratch. It just seems like a waste of your current Mustang.

Not questioning your plan,just more curious as your thought on it more then anything. Either way it'll be a cool build to watch.



Good question - I guess.... not really.... but I'll try to make the case for you ("you" is a group you not you personally although you asked the question it's a question many would ask).


Anyone that has ever built or bought a car to build would tell you about the issues lurking behind the pretty paint of the perfect car they bought. And then they proceed to spend budget busting amounts of money (or years of project languishing) trying to fix the rotting pile of junk....

I know exactly what the Mustang is -- have all the photos of it when it was purchased and stripped down. The car was flawless - rustless - perfection. This is a KNOWN.

Buying a Dynacornhole body is always an option -- until you get it and find out what crap they are -- and how many OTHER PARTS AND PIECES you need to make it an actual car (track or otherwise).

I have two killer - known commodity - track cars. Both have all the basic requirements and are already set up as track day cars -- One I paid $35K for - the other (the '65) I paid $40K for. So let's use that dollar figure as my base. From here - I don't have to buy trim - Lexan - hood latches - wiring - taillights - or any of the other zillion small pieces that are required. Both have full fire equipment already install - dashes and gauges - and on and on - things like fuel safe tanks and pumps and and and....

It's not the parts and pieces that cost much -- but they cost plenty when you start spending $95 an hour (or whatever) on the labor to install and plumb and wire - and hot rod... THAT and the TIME it takes -- doing nothing for me except to further delay the project and add costs.

Just taking the '65 --- the body is flawless - has shaved drip rails - perfect paint - lexan - fuel tank - lights - wiring - headliner - steering wheel and blah blah blah

Now --- it has great brakes - worth something either to give away or sell - ditto an awesome motor and trans - expensive wheels and tires that would work on any similar Mustang.... In other words - there is a possibility of recouping a little money from parts sales....

I don't have to spend time and money making stuff fit - waiting on delivery - waiting on parts that come and don't fit or are wrong - and nobody has to "source" all these little items etc. Time is money - time is time - time is labor and effort.

When I'm all done - the car will need a wrap or a SCUFF AND SHOOT -- it won't need hours of blocking and primer and blah blah blah blah.

Is budget an issue for me.... yeah - NO. Is time and effort an issue -- yes. Both together make sense.

[GregWeld]

Don't forget Maier's Mustang. That's a seriously badass gen 1 mustang, too.

Sounds like fun, Greg. Good luck on the build.



There are several cars that we've looked at for modeling.... Maiers - (we'll most likely use the fenders or flares from his family's business


https://www.maierracing.com/


I also love the shape and look of my buddy Ron Schwarz's' Mustang (he posted above) -- but those are custom built by him - I really don't care to pee away time and money on something that doesn't make the car faster or safer.... it's a track car - not a DOOM Ridler build.... If they work - and look "decent" - then it's done. SpeedTech will have to look at it and see what works best -- "mold on" or custom flares. If it was in my shop (before cancer) I'd cut to cure... but Mikes car looks pretty bad as s -- using his mold on stuff - or their 5" flared fender set ($950 for a PAIR of fenders -- that's 10 hours of labor for a PAIR of flared fenders - pretty sure you can't cut to cure a stock fender in 10 hours!).

The build is about doing some things that I just "want" to do.... it's not about anything other than that. I want a motor that doesn't need valve lash adjustment.... or that is so snotty that it should be rebuilt every year or every other year (I've chosen to have it rebuilt it every year).... I just "want" a trick sequential tranny..... I just "want" wide by huge tires.... But the finished look is just "race car". Low - wide - mean..... it's easy to get on these cars.

It WON'T be Italian Stallion... or "Eleanor" LOL

[fleetus macmullitz]

I woulda just had the '65 sprayed in every nook and cranny with that Rick Simpson Oil instead.

Ya coulda got a whole new Stang in a few hours...and maybe even cost ya less money.


:D

[GregWeld]

I woulda just had the '65 sprayed in every nook and cranny with that Rick Simpson Oil instead.

Ya coulda got a whole new Stang in a few hours...and maybe even cost ya less money.


:D




Really? I was thinking bed liner.....

[fleetus macmullitz]

Really? I was thinking bed liner.....

Yeahbutt with the car coated in Rick Simpson Oil, everybody workin' on the build would be feelin' good...all the time!

:goofy:

:snapout:

lol

[DBasher]

Speed and aeromatics! Lol

[glassman]

I love being gone for a few daze to come back to this!! Entertaining Sunday morning read. Move along people, nothing to see hear.

Greg, I totally love your comment about the "cars going back for more work", as I've lost a total of 14 months in the last 2.5 years of "It'll just take 2 months", between the respray and heads n cam . Sometimes I wonder why ima car guy #carcrazy dumas.....good luck with build. I've heard good things about this Ron guy lol

[GregWeld]

Speed and aeromatics! Lol




Yeah ---- mine won't be a lifted truck.... Good gawd that thing is FUGLY!

[GregWeld]

I love being gone for a few daze to come back to this!! Entertaining Sunday morning read. Move along people, nothing to see hear.

Greg, I totally love your comment about the "cars going back for more work", as I've lost a total of 14 months in the last 2.5 years of "It'll just take 2 months", between the respray and heads n cam . Sometimes I wonder why ima car guy #carcrazy dumas.....good luck with build. I've heard good things about this Ron guy lol




Just hung up with Sieg --- and I made several points..... I live in Sun Valley -- soon to be spending months on a new boat cruising to Alaska etc.... and then wintering somewhere.... regardless - the car is in one location and I'm in "other" locations....... So ---- I don't want to have to pull the motor every season -- I want to be able to buzz into the track - change tires/wheels - pads - nut and bolt and get hammering on it.

With 335's squared -- I'll go thru less tires (maybe) than I am now with the 245's and running the way I do.... I won't have to adjust the solid lifters -- It should be faster and more of a challenge... and that's what all of us are about to begin with isn't it?? Pushing the envelope?

It's fun to work with people that are IN SYNC --- Sutton & SpeedTech.... He can design - SpeedTech are also racers - so they can design build AND drive.... which means -- you can get a race car to be a race car -- not some show car builder that's never driven on a track before. These guys understand what parts and pieces are needed - what the driver needs and all the other little details.

Plus - I like 'em.

[glassman]

Yep. They are. Got to spend some time with them and dr Ron in Columbus. Most likely the next mod to my Camaro (to square up too) from Speedtech NEXT year or two.
Hope you get it done Oct? Or spring fling, either way, enjoy

[Flash68]

Just hung up ON Sieg

Fixed that for ya there.

[fleetus macmullitz]

Fixed that for ya there.

U kold Bruh...


https://s20.postimg.org/7k9bvezdp/IMG_6576.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/h4syiaopl/)

[chetly]

I remember posting before when you were doing an update on the car about Mike running 315's f/r on his 66 and you adamantly said your not running that big of wheels and tires. Guess your plans have changed. Should be interesting to see it completed.

Oh by the way, Mike is no long affiliated with maier racing. He has his own shop in Livermore (closer to home) Mike Maier Inc.

[GregWeld]

I remember posting before when you were doing an update on the car about Mike running 315's f/r on his 66 and you adamantly said your not running that big of wheels and tires. Guess your plans have changed. Should be interesting to see it completed.

Oh by the way, Mike is no long affiliated with maier racing. He has his own shop in Livermore (closer to home) Mike Maier Inc.




Yes plans changed -- I didn't want to cut up the Yellow car to get that big of a tire and wheel under it -- but now I'm going to.

I know that Mike has his own shop and isn't a part of Maier Racing.

[Neil B]

Good luck on the new build Greg! I can relate with the direction you are taking. I sold a really nice '69 Corvette original 427 numbers car because I wanted to do a flared C3. It would have been WAY less time and work to flare the car I already had, but I couldn't bring myself to do it. I'm a huge fan of flares, but the '65 Mustang is one body shape that's hard to get right with flares. The black Roadster Shop car turned out nice and there are a few others out there with more integrated flares which look 'right'. I know you're doing a race car and I'm sure you and your team will turn out something awesome. Keep us posted.

[Vegas69]

It's just a mustang, slice that POS up. :D

[AMSOILGUY]

:lol: It's just a mustang, slice that POS up. :D

[DBasher]

Mike Maier? Who dat?:action-smiley-027:

I've got the old Maier racing flared fenders if you need them....asking 35k--or we could probably work out a trade. :hello:

I'll see you, Mike and the rest of the motley crew this weekend. :cheers:

[Panteracer]

Greg,
I like the move of doing the 65... I sometimes think
I should have kept the car I sold Chet but was thinking
why cut up a good car... after years of thinking about it
that would have been the way to go.. light car... easy to
do things...

Let the build begin

Bob

[GregWeld]

It's just a mustang, slice that POS up. :D

Phun kin A !! That's exactly what we're gunna do!! LOL

[GregWeld]

Mike Maier? Who dat?:action-smiley-027:

I've got the old Maier racing flared fenders if you need them....asking 35k--or we could probably work out a trade. :hello:

I'll see you, Mike and the rest of the motley crew this weekend. :cheers:



"hotley and motley" this weekend!! It's 106* in my little shed trackside today -- and I have a radiator to replace - valves to adjust - and maybe even swap out the Wilwood Master Cylinder Charley bought me. I have a "redneck A/C" idea I'm going to try tomorrow !! Thank god we have a WallySchmart practically next door!! I figure a few blocks of ice stacked behind the 36" shop fan oughter be more better than nuttin' honey!!! LOL

[GregWeld]

Greg,
I like the move of doing the 65... I sometimes think
I should have kept the car I sold Chet but was thinking
why cut up a good car... after years of thinking about it
that would have been the way to go.. light car... easy to
do things...

Let the build begin

Bob



Yeah! If you'd have kept it -- it wouldn't have lit the wall up from 9 down to 10 at Sonoma last year!!! Tore the front end off the poor thing.... He wasn't hurt thank god!! He was following me thru there and I think he said he dropped a wheel off in the dirt.... then corrected and then..... well.... it didn't work out. Except that the car is way better now with a new frontend and motor and all that stuff. Kevin Sittner did a great job on it!

[Blake Foster]

here i will save you the brain power

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiGtIPr4LjVAhVFyGMKHbmICkgQjhwIBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffivegallonideas.com%2Fair-conditioner%2F&psig=AFQjCNF79Ga_5Y4beGktczJ8r4FfX1pbyQ&ust=1501770371733231

[glassman]

Yeah! If you'd have kept it -- it wouldn't have lit the wall up from 9 down to 10 at Sonoma last year!!! Tore the front end off the poor thing.... He wasn't hurt thank god!! He was following me thru there and I think he said he dropped a wheel off in the dirt.... then corrected and then..... well.... it didn't work out. Except that the car is way better now with a new frontend and motor and all that stuff. Kevin Sittner did a great job on it!

Was wondering how he and the car were doing.

[DBasher]

. I have a "redneck A/C" idea I'm going to try tomorrow !! Thank god we have a WallySchmart practically next door!! I figure a few blocks of ice stacked behind the 36" shop fan oughter be more better than nuttin' honey!!! LOL

Put on your cool suit and rig up a fancy IV style cart you can drag around the shop....The heat is no joke, stay hydrated my friend!

[Try2paz]

So now that the yellow car is coming apart...when does the trans go for sale =)

Good luck on the new build! Was hoping to make Sonoma this weekend but new motor isn't done yet.

Do you suspect you'll run t-hill later this year?

[rustomatic]

You know you're important when your shop of choice has to run a marketing campaign to find a guy (or girl) to "fix" your car. Is this like back in the old days of coach building when they'd have to send people (experts) to and from Europe, since the bodies and chassis so frequently came from different continents?

Then again, the Stagnaro Mustang has been around for decades . . .

[Blake Foster]

You know you're important when your shop of choice has to run a marketing campaign to find a guy (or girl) to "fix" your car. Is this like back in the old days of coach building when they'd have to send people (experts) to and from Europe, since the bodies and chassis so frequently came from different continents?

Then again, the Stagnaro Mustang has been around for decades . . .

LOL no kidding hey. Actually we have been looking for a long time for the right guy. and have always advertised for hot Rod/ Muscle car builder and figured lets switch gears and see what happens. i have guys here capable of the work that will be getting done. just need more of them.

[GregWeld]

So now that the yellow car is coming apart...when does the trans go for sale =)

Good luck on the new build! Was hoping to make Sonoma this weekend but new motor isn't done yet.

Do you suspect you'll run t-hill later this year?




I'm going to have an entire car of cool parts going to new homes --- Triple JRi's -- all the front suspension that is super Sutton Sauce - Floater rearend - Jerico - great motor - with $5,000 custom built headers.... 2 sets of Formula 43 wheels.... Well -- you get the idea. Some parts are already spoken for.




I'm running Thunderhill with NASA next week --- so Sonoma Mini Nats this weekend -- and then NASA the following weekend. Then October with Shelby Club at Thunderhill. Then the car goes to SpeedTech

[GregWeld]

LOL no kidding hey. Actually we have been looking for a long time for the right guy. and have always advertised for hot Rod/ Muscle car builder and figured lets switch gears and see what happens. i have guys here capable of the work that will be getting done. just need more of them.



I make a little under a million bucks a year doing nothing..... what's it pay to come out of retirement??



:lmao: :lmao:

[GregWeld]

Was wondering how he and the car were doing.



Chet is doing great --- he ran the car after Kevin Sittner put it all back together.... it works FAR better now with all new suspension and a better motor etc.

Pete's doing great on his clinical trial with chemo --- and he'll be at Sonoma

Big Mike is signed up for Sonoma as well --- he wasn't feeling real well the last time we ran Thunderhill - so didn't run. But came up to visit.

Charley will be at Hot August Nights I think.

[GregWeld]

Put on your cool suit and rig up a fancy IV style cart you can drag around the shop....The heat is no joke, stay hydrated my friend!



I've spent two 12 hours days -- in 104* weather -- in a West facing shop space.... grinding on all the little things it takes to make a track car reliable.... For those that haven't owned one --- it takes a lot of work to keep them in tip top condition and safe!

I must have drank two gallons of water today -- and peed ONCE..... That's a lot of sweating for the uniformed. When I was doing pyro shows -- I'd drink all day -- and never pee. The key -- in heat -- is when you STOP sweating -- you haven't drank enough water. We always watched each other (two pyros on a barge) to make sure you were sweating.

[carbuff]

I'm going to have an entire car of cool parts going to new homes --- Triple JRi's -- all the front suspension that is super Sutton Sauce - Floater rearend - Jerico - great motor - with $5,000 custom built headers.... 2 sets of Formula 43 wheels.... Well -- you get the idea. Some parts are already spoken for.


Let me know if those JRI's are not spoken for... ;)

[Blake Foster]

I make a little under a million bucks a year doing nothing..... what's it pay to come out of retirement??



:lmao: :lmao:


NOT MUCH!!! comparatively lol

[gofastwclass]

I make a little under a million bucks a year doing nothing..... what's it pay to come out of retirement??



:lmao: :lmao:


Apparently I'm in the wrong business. Hahaha!!!

[GregWeld]

Apparently I'm in the wrong business. Hahaha!!!



So am I apparently since I haven't worked for almost 30 years now.....

[GregWeld]

We'll have to change the title to this disaster now ---- The current status has changed yet again.

Not cutting up ANYTHING..... We're starting from scratch -- building a Ron Sutton Track Warrior ---- complete car per his catalog.... and using a 1970 Mustang body that is being widened 6".

I just couldn't bring myself to cutting up such a great car that already exists. Old Yeller is just too sweet of a track car to do that to. So we'll just start new.

DONE.

[carbuff]

We'll have to change the title to this disaster now ---- The current status has changed yet again.

Not cutting up ANYTHING..... We're starting from scratch -- building a Ron Sutton Track Warrior ---- complete car per his catalog.... and using a 1970 Mustang body that is being widened 6".

I just couldn't bring myself to cutting up such a great car that already exists. Old Yeller is just too sweet of a track car to do that to. So we'll just start new.

DONE.

'bout time you came to your senses... :lostmarbles:

[Tinker]

We'll have to change the title to this disaster now ---- The current status has changed yet again.

Not cutting up ANYTHING..... We're starting from scratch -- building a Ron Sutton Track Warrior ---- complete car per his catalog.... and using a 1970 Mustang body that is being widened 6".

I just couldn't bring myself to cutting up such a great car that already exists. Old Yeller is just too sweet of a track car to do that to. So we'll just start new.

DONE.
There's a lot of sighs of relief going on right now.
I guess you had too much fun this weekend. Glad to hear this iconic car lives to spin out another day:lol:

[Vegas69]

Sure:tv_happy:

[Build-It-Break-it]

Very cool to hear your keeping your mustang as is. That's exactly what I was thinking when I first asked you "why not start from scratch". Your mustang just seemed to nice. Very cool build to in your future for sure.

[clill]

I wanna know more about this spinout.

[DBasher]

I wanna know more about this spinout.

More like an extreme circular drift...the recovery was text book Dirt Fish!

[fleetus macmullitz]

We'll have to change the title to this disaster now ---- The current status has changed yet again.

Not cutting up ANYTHING..... We're starting from scratch -- building a Ron Sutton Track Warrior ---- complete car per his catalog.... and using a 1970 Mustang body that is being widened 6".

I just couldn't bring myself to cutting up such a great car that already exists. Old Yeller is just too sweet of a track car to do that to. So we'll just start new.

DONE.


https://s20.postimg.org/70jr0gfq5/IMG_7185.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[gofastwclass]

So am I apparently since I haven't worked for almost 30 years now.....

Has it been that long??? We need to talk, I AM in the wrong business!!!


We'll have to change the title to this disaster now ---- The current status has changed yet again. ...DONE.

For now... :stirthepot: :confused18: :lostmarbles: :lmao:

[GregWeld]

There's a lot of sighs of relief going on right now.
I guess you had too much fun this weekend. Glad to hear this iconic car lives to spin out another day:lol:



The car is just too good. And in our effort to build a 1.40 car, so I can run a 1.54 (always just a little faster than "The Rob" in AO).... We'd need to just completely cut the car so much it would be a lot of labor "wasted". These cars weren't very wide to begin with. The 69 and 70 bodies are wider to start with and a glass body is good enough for me. I'm about the performance vs the show quality track car. I'll let Mario (Doom) stress over perfect black paint. When you see the beating these cars take on track -- it's just awful. A glass car -- wrap it -- DONE.

I have NEVER YET made it thru a track weekend without a spin. I don't go off track -- and I don't wreck -- but I always manage a spin. I'm certain that when the club sees me sign up -- they all shudder and groan.

At the driver meeting this year -- they said "WE ARE NOT RACING"..... I was in the back and raised my hand and said "I AM"..... LOL

Anyone that has never spun a car hasn't tried to actually go fast. I push the car and myself to the max every lap.

I will say that almost all the wrecks were in Turn 7 this weekend -- and I've never seen so many bad wrecks (single car wrecks). T7 was just sketchy this weekend for some reason. That doesn't stop me from trying harder and harder to find the fastest way around it (and every other corner). Road racing for me is not a drag race from corner to corner. I want to carry as much speed as I possibly can thru the turn so I can exit faster. Frankly -- we aren't that good. I still say all the time - Danny Popp could beat me in a V6 rental car.

[Blake Foster]

:confused59:

AGAIN the last to know!!

[GregWeld]

I wanna know more about this spinout.



Well -- it happens when you over rotate the rear of the car and can't catch it. This particular time I was in the roll thru and got a little hard a lot too early into the go pedal and was in second gear.... I wanted to really spank the guy behind me (Rob) down thru 8 to 9... but I swear he had a James Bond like cable hooked to my bumper. I didn't stall so I jammed 1st gear and lit em up like a NASCAR winners burnout (not nearly as controlled or as cool) and off I went like it never even happened. Then the black flag was being pointed at me and I had to go talk to Ray Banks.... Who laughed at me.

The car was loose all weekend. We lowered the track bar on both sides (My love goes out to Rich Burmea for wrenching) -- and that made the car "free" vs loose.... but T7 was just a handful for everyone this weekend for whatever reason. Rob was faster in the corners than me -- but thank god I have the HP to just keep him back there. Well -- unless you spin out.

[GregWeld]

:confused59:

AGAIN the last to know!!



You need to keep up son!! A weekend of racin' can change EVERYTHING.... LOL


Sutton is the "builder" - I just tell him what I want in a big broad brushstroke -- from there it's all him. I'm just middle management on a need to know basis (need to know how much and where to send it! LOL)

[Blake Foster]

You need to keep up son!! A weekend of racin' can change EVERYTHING.... LOL


Sutton is the "builder" - I just tell him what I want in a big broad brushstroke -- from there it's all him. I'm just middle management on a need to know basis (need to know how much and where to send it! LOL)

Well then that would make me lower management so to speak just waitin for the orders to filter through the grey matter!!

by the way no parts have showed up yet so we are already behind schedule :mock: :lmao:

[WSSix]

Glad to hear you're keeping Ol Yeller intact Greg. I know you said you weren't doing a build thread but please throw up some pics of the 70 once it gets going.

[Blake Foster]

WHY would you do a 70 when you could do THIS


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212145043732740&set=a.1052727529840.9609.1575334528&type=3

[waynieZ]

That's great Greg you can still have fun while your waiting on the 70, oh and practice those spin out things :headspin:

[Musclerodz]

You need to keep up son!! A weekend of racin' can change EVERYTHING.... LOL


Sutton is the "builder" - I just tell him what I want in a big broad brushstroke -- from there it's all him. I'm just middle management on a need to know basis (need to know how much and where to send it! LOL)

race on sunday, sell on monday as they say!

[clill]

"and using a 1970 Mustang body that is being widened 6"

That should be fun getting it in the trailer.:headspin:

[gofastwclass]

"and using a 1970 Mustang body that is being widened 6"

That should be fun getting it in the trailer.:headspin:


Just widen the trailer 6", sorted. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[GregWeld]

Well then that would make me lower management so to speak just waitin for the orders to filter through the grey matter!!

by the way no parts have showed up yet so we are already behind schedule :mock: :lmao:



The key was for Sutton and I to have a couple weekends to work out the details. I think we've got the basis for some kinda sorta maybe an idea.... :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :wacko: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[clill]

And I'll get to buy it for 40K when he gets bored.

[fleetus macmullitz]

And I'll get to buy it for 40K when he gets bored.

#word

HyTpu6BmE88


lol

[Ron Sutton]

The key was for Sutton and I to have a couple weekends to work out the details. I think we've got the basis for some kinda sorta maybe an idea.... :BlahBlah: :BlahBlah: :wacko: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorta? Hell I ordered everything this week. Not. Even. Kidding.

OK ... not the transmission. But everything else.

You guys will love it. Fastback 70 Mustang 77" wide, 335 slicks all around, low as heck, 700 hp & full aero. What's not to love?

:)

[gofastwclass]

Well, if it's your design... it's gotta be good! :)

[GregWeld]

Well, if it's your design... it's gotta be good! :)



EGG SACK LEE !!!

Great design -- Great parts -- Great builder..... Charley is going to be SO JEALOUS!!

[Sieg]

I attached a photo rendering of what it will look like when finished ...


:) :thumbsup: :ohsnap: :D :lmao: :cheers:


.

Just his size.
:lmao:

If people only knew how much effort it took to get into that little Weldmobile.
Similar to Clill getting into a '69's trunk.

[Matt@BOS]

I know you're building a MEAN track warrior, but I hope you and Ron can find ways of tinkering on Ol Yeller just enough to keep it faster than AO. A slow AI car can't be the fastest in our group. That's just wrong.

[DBasher]

.... Ol Yeller just enough to keep it faster than AO. A slow AI car can't be the fastest in our group. That's just wrong.

That's funny...this weekend should be fun.

[Flash68]

Best part will be all the Ferd guys panties getting wadded up with the install of the LS7...

My favorite too. :Tomcat:

[Matt@BOS]

My favorite too. :Tomcat:

I won't be getting upset, or feeling bad for Greg. He has the $$$$ to build a nice LS and fix it when it breaks. :D

[Che70velle]

Well, it only took 13 pages of confusion to finally figure out what your doing Greg. I'm glad Sutton ordered the parts before you changed your mind again, and cut up the 40' pickup...:hello:

[57hemicuda]

I'm just glad I'm getting the car I wanted to begin with, man your stubborn!!!!!!!!. It took weeks of constant ball bustin to get you on track. Gwen must wake up every morning and just roll her eyes back, and sigh.

How many times has the thread title changed?

[GregWeld]

I know you're building a MEAN track warrior, but I hope you and Ron can find ways of tinkering on Ol Yeller just enough to keep it faster than AO. A slow AI car can't be the fastest in our group. That's just wrong.

Agree Matt!!

He's going to have to work real hard....

[GregWeld]

Well, it only took 13 pages of confusion to finally figure out what your doing Greg. I'm glad Sutton ordered the parts before you changed your mind again, and cut up the 40' pickup...:hello:


You know.... that might be a great idea!!! It (the '40) already has a LS in it! Pickup with big aero.... old school.... that could be very interesting! LOL





I'm just glad I'm getting the car I wanted to begin with, man your stubborn!!!!!!!!. It took weeks of constant ball bustin to get you on track. Gwen must wake up every morning and just roll her eyes back, and sigh.

How many times has the thread title changed?


:catfight: :catfight: :catfight: :catfight:

[FETorino]

I'm glad you aren't cutting up Old Yeller. That car is just too nice. It just does everything right. Looks like an old GT350 but is faster on track than most.

How often do you get to see a vintage Mustang out running a fully prepped Porsche at T-Hill. :king:

Greg held to his word and spun at T-Hill also.

:headscratch: maybe it's the orange glow in the rear view mirror throwing him off.

Is Ron going to keep you in front by tuning Old Yeller or by "tuning" AO?:lmao:

[GregWeld]

I'm glad you aren't cutting up Old Yeller. That car is just too nice. It just does everything right. Looks like an old GT350 but is faster on track than most.

How often do you get to see a vintage Mustang out running a fully prepped Porsche at T-Hill. :king:

Greg held to his word and spun at T-Hill also.

:headscratch: maybe it's the orange glow in the rear view mirror throwing him off.

Is Ron going to keep you in front by tuning Old Yeller or by "tuning" AO?:lmao:



I've never finished a weekend track event without a spin --- ever --- I always manage to **** one part of it up -- cold track/cold tires -- cold me -- or push it just a bit too hard too early.... or I'm just a crappy driver. Whatever. I now have like the longest spin record in history.


Sutton is and was the magic behind Old Yeller.... PERIOD. On top of that - his driver coaching has helped me way beyond the amount of time spent doing this stuff. Without him I'd be back of the pack and struggling to figure it all out. With him -- I'm cranking hard on the cars I have -- and having a blast doing it. I owe him an amount of gratitude that money can't buy.


AO is better in spades ----- and we have yet to see the limits. You'll pass me soon enough.

[FETorino]

I've never finished a weekend track event without a spin --- ever --- I always manage to **** one part of it up -- cold track/cold tires -- cold me -- or push it just a bit too hard too early.... or I'm just a crappy driver. Whatever. I now have like the longest spin record in history.


Sutton is and was the magic behind Old Yeller.... PERIOD. On top of that - his driver coaching has helped me way beyond the amount of time spent doing this stuff. Without him I'd be back of the pack and struggling to figure it all out. With him -- I'm cranking hard on the cars I have -- and having a blast doing it. I owe him an amount of gratitude that money can't buy.


AO is better in spades ----- and we have yet to see the limits. You'll pass me soon enough.



Ron has made Old Yeller a magic car but you do drive the piss out of it. Or at least you do now.

In Rons own words, " I have won races with far less competent drivers than you Greg" so don't sell yourself short. You see what I did there, short :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

With the new car (what are we calling it?) I won't even have a chance in hell of staying on the same lap with my 335hp monster; much less a chance to pass.

[Matt@BOS]

[/B]


Ron has made Old Yeller a magic car but you do drive the piss out of it. Or at least you do now.

In Rons own words, " I have won races with far less competent drivers than you Greg" so don't sell yourself short. You see what I did there, short :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

With the new car (what are we calling it?) I won't even have a chance in hell of staying on the same lap with my 335hp monster; much less a chance to pass.

How about the Stealth Bomber? Greg will be moving so fast he won't even be on your radar.

[GregWeld]

[/B]


Ron has made Old Yeller a magic car but you do drive the piss out of it. Or at least you do now.

In Rons own words, " I have won races with far less competent drivers than you Greg" so don't sell yourself short. You see what I did there, short :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

With the new car (what are we calling it?) I won't even have a chance in hell of staying on the same lap with my 335hp monster; much less a chance to pass.



I think what he really said was ----- "I've won races with faster cars and much bigger men than you"



:action-smiley-027: :action-smiley-027:

[GregWeld]

The pesky Porsche -- that I THOUGHT was a Miata! I still laugh every time I think about it.... I just can't shake this stinking Miata! WTF is with that thing and who's driving it!!


Remember -- he's behind me -- and we're hauling the mail -- I don't have time to check out the review mirror other than to know there's traffic there.





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[Tinker]

I've never finished a weekend track event without a spin --- ever --- I always manage to **** one part of it up -- cold track/cold tires -- cold me -- or push it just a bit too hard too early.... or I'm just a crappy driver. Whatever. I now have like the longest spin record in history.
.

Gonna be fun if you keep the record going with the new car, because if you spin out 335's squared with Sutton engineering, you will be flying. it's gonna get real in a quick hurry!:eek:

[GregWeld]

Gonna be fun if you keep the record going with the new car, because if you spin out 335's squared with Sutton engineering, you will be flying. it's gonna get real in a quick hurry!:eek:

People that don't spin - or have off track excursions - aren't driving hard enough.

When you're pushing the cars hard - you'll make mistakes and find yourself off line - or too late on the brakes - or have brake bias misadjusted - or your tires have gone away - or you've found the oil from the guy that just blew up in front of you.....

There is a BIG difference in driving hard --- and the guy that spun THREE TIMES and took the wrong part of the track all in the first session (he ran the crows nest when the track was set up for the bypass). He spun because his driving SUCKS... and his judgement skills SUCK. His "reasoning" offered for spinning was "I'm in a new car and I don't know the track".... REALLY!!! Then in that case don't you think you ought to go out and learn the car and learn the track before you start attacking it. DOH!! He was taken out of our group after the next session.

[gofastwclass]

People that don't spin - or have off track excursions - aren't driving hard enough.


:D

Reminds me of the quote "if you aren't living on the edge, you're taking too much space." :burnout: :burnout:

[Panteracer]

Hans Stuck...race care driver made
a comment after running one of the euro tracks
that was lined with trees and bushes

"if you finish with both mirrors on the car then
you were not driving hard enough"

Bob

[Flash68]

He was taken out of our group after the next session.

they probably need to do some more of that at those Shelby Club events....

[Matt@BOS]

they probably need to do some more of that at those Shelby Club events....

The Shelby club operates with the exact opposite rule set as NASA...

[Tinker]

Gregg,
I hope you know I'm not making fun of you, I'm laughing with you. With anything, how do you know if you are at the edge if you never push past it. Reminds me of many years ago when i started drag racing snowmobiles and I spoke with a multi time champion, and he asked me if I ever blew up my motor yet. I wish I could have seen my own face of horror because I just spent thousands of dollars I didn't have to spare on that motor. He then asked "well then how do you know if there's not any more speed left in it?"

[Panteracer]

"Did you ever blow up an engine"

Reminds me of my first mentor when I started
Autocrossing... he always said pick up the trophies or
pick up the pieces.. I have blown up 9 motors in my firebird
and also have won many events, championships etc... but
back then motors were cheap and easy to get another one
at the junkyard... competition was not as tough as it is now either

Pushing things to the edge and knowing where that point is
what is really hard to figure out

Bob

[Tinker]

"Did you ever blow up an engine"


Yup, knocked the ring lands off the pistons. Pieces floating around inside the cylinders at 10000+RPM make more than a couple of marks! I did learn from it.

[67XR7]

I'm going to have an entire car of cool parts going to new homes --- Triple JRi's -- all the front suspension that is super Sutton Sauce - Floater rearend - Jerico - great motor - with $5,000 custom built headers.... 2 sets of Formula 43 wheels.... Well -- you get the idea. Some parts are already spoken for.



I cant even find a website for F43, they change names? or go under?

[214Chevy]

I cant even find a website for F43, they change names? or go under?

The latter...

[GregWeld]

I cant even find a website for F43, they change names? or go under?

Yep -- gone like the wind...... Wait! Wasn't that a movie?? LOL


Besides -- I'm not tearing it apart anymore -- building a whole new car so Old Yeller can stay intact.

[GregWeld]

Gregg,
I hope you know I'm not making fun of you, I'm laughing with you. With anything, how do you know if you are at the edge if you never push past it. Reminds me of many years ago when i started drag racing snowmobiles and I spoke with a multi time champion, and he asked me if I ever blew up my motor yet. I wish I could have seen my own face of horror because I just spent thousands of dollars I didn't have to spare on that motor. He then asked "well then how do you know if there's not any more speed left in it?"



Never thought that at all. But remember you're not the only one reading. It's a public question and response. When I respond - my response always tries to answer questions that others may only be thinking.

Racing is hard (they call these TRACK DAYS - but that is only a cover for "I'm not really racing" which is complete BS) -- only those that haven't done it would think otherwise. I'm no good at it - am a total weekend warrior. I know this for fact. I have never thought otherwise. I have IMPROVED... I have pushed the limits when my limits were far lower. Now I push the limits harder and mess up "less" -- less is not making for a particularly great record. LOL

I will say --- when I spin now -- I expect it - and know why I did what I did. That's a HUGE difference than when I began. Now I usually know in advance the minute I've done what I've done. My experimental line trying to find more speed or carry thru - or my later harder braking zone. Sometimes it's just that momentary lapse - and at the speeds we're carrying - there is no momentary. So yeah - usually it's just bad judgement on my part and I don't have the skills to recover.

But damn I have fun!


I would add to this -- that the car got way better -- but I don't think I got better until I had some seat time and began to push it a bit. I had to take almost a year off due to the cancer issue - and then kind of got a second wind. Seems to me that when I came back -- things just began to work better for me. Then -- the car set up needed to change because I found the limits of the set up that "was". It went from neutral to "free" to loose.... these changes happen quickly on track. Free became loose within a couple laps as the "free" used up the tires quickly. You'd have loved to have been chasing me because it was a **** show for the ages! LOL Now.... I'm not blaming the car - rather - I'm trying to explain what people may not know or understand. A cars set up can be neutral - until you begin to drive it differently - then it can go to pushy or free or loose in a hurry. Once I put some more rear grip in the car - then I suddenly found "push" - but left it alone because it was balanced and I could "cause" the push. Mind you... we only get 20 minutes (about 9 to 10 laps) and sometimes there's traffic and you don't get to explore the track to the cars (or drivers) ability. We're out there with some real different drivers and cars. You can waste an entire 20 minute session parading around... and not get out of 3rd gear. My point is -- in all of my driving -- not all that many laps are done at max effort. The experience comes slowly....

[preston]

So glad your widening the body. Looks so much cleaner than flares.
Happiest day of my life was when I figured out how I could do it and get rid of the monster truck fender flares.

[FETorino]

That is why running in a group like NASA with full course open passing is the way to go. Parade laps suck. :shakehead:

Seat time is where it's at. How often do you think people are trying to tune their car for a condition their driving is causing? :bang:

[DBasher]

That is why running in a group like NASA with full course open passing is the way to go. Parade laps suck. :shakehead:

Seat time is where it's at. How often do you think people are trying to tune their car for a condition their driving is causing? :bang:

Makes a lot of sense. :thumbsup:

[Ron Sutton]

How often do you think people are trying to tune their car for a condition their driving is causing? :bang:

Uhhhh. A lot. A whole lot.

[GregWeld]

Gotta tell you race guys ---- PRI (Performance Racing Industry) show was so much more "relevant" than SEMA for the guys that went.... We were in awe for 3 days! Plus we got to kiss the bricks at The Brickyard!!

Oh ----- and Ron Sutton walked with us and showed us all some of the trick stuff going in the new car... so just that was worth the trip!

If you've not seen one - or heard of one - check out PPG Sequential 6 speeds (we'll run non overdrive - just 6 close ratio gears).

There was so much cool stuff there is was a bit overwhelming! I saw things I didn't know existed.... and the staff at the booths knew racing and loved talking about their stuff and race cars in general.... It was just awesome weekend. COLD for sure!!

[Blake Foster]

Gotta tell you race guys ---- PRI (Performance Racing Industry) show was so much more "relevant" than SEMA for the guys that went.... We were in awe for 3 days! Plus we got to kiss the bricks at The Brickyard!!

Oh ----- and Ron Sutton walked with us and showed us all some of the trick stuff going in the new car... so just that was worth the trip!

If you've not seen one - or heard of one - check out PPG Sequential 6 speeds (we'll run non overdrive - just 6 close ratio gears).

There was so much cool stuff there is was a bit overwhelming! I saw things I didn't know existed.... and the staff at the booths knew racing and loved talking about their stuff and race cars in general.... It was just awesome weekend. COLD for sure!!

Have to agree! but i don't think we should talk about it any more or it will just turn into SEMA !! lol

who knew there were 25 companies that make BBC heads!! and 50 shock companies!!

[GregWeld]

Have to agree! but i don't think we should talk about it any more or it will just turn into SEMA !! lol

who knew there were 25 companies that make BBC heads!! and 50 shock companies!!



Totally agree ----- Hey you "race guys" ---- NOTE: There were ZERO CORVETTE OR EVO parts there. Zip, Nada, NONE.


<that ought to kill any thoughts of attending>

[SSLance]

lol @ Greg! :D

[DBasher]

Sounds like a hoot and way better then a monkey on your head!

Can’t wait to see it come together, especially the aero and pneumatic jacks...
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