Emergency Brake - Electric

[Goosesdad]

Is anyone using the E-Stopp electrically actuated emergency brake?

https://www.estopp.com

With the roll cage down tube and that I desire to have a foot rest for my left foot, there really isn't room for the stock e-brake pedal assembly. Could integrate a hand pull in the center console but that eats up valuable real estate.

Any downsides?

Appreciate any input.

[tubbed69]

I have one but not hooked up yet,story hopefully someone will help with some pics.

[dhutton]

I installed one in the Camaro convertible I did for my wife using C6 Z51 brakes. I had to temporarily defeat the safety connection that prevents the brake from engaging when the car is running so I could apply the brake while moving in reverse to adjust the brakes.

I'll probably use one again.

Don

[67greengt]

funny the mention of the pulling force being too light... I had an estopp in my car and it pulled too hard, actually bend the rear e brake backing plates and destroyed the internal e brake mechanism. One of the actuators let go when I was driving the car (low speed thankfully) and it locked up the rear wheels, ruined the brake rotor hats. I contacted E Stopp and they didn't want to make it right at all. Highly recommend not going with it, but thats just my two cents

[vstol]

not for that price

[Goosesdad]

I have one but not hooked up yet,story hopefully someone will help with some pics.

I installed one in the Camaro convertible I did for my wife using C6 Z51 brakes. It works well but the pulling force was just enough to pass the state inspection. I had to defeat the safety connection that prevents the brake from engaging when the car is running so I could apply the brake while moving in reverse to adjust the brakes.

I'll probably use one again.

Don

funny the mention of the pulling force being too light... I had an estopp in my car and it pulled too hard, actually bend the rear e brake backing plates and destroyed the internal e brake mechanism. One of the actuators let go when I was driving the car (low speed thankfully) and it locked up the rear wheels, ruined the brake rotor hats. I contacted E Stopp and they didn't want to make it right at all. Highly recommend not going with it, but thats just my two cents

not for that price

Thanks for the feedback guys!!!

[TheJDMan]

One of the actuators let go when I was driving the car (low speed thankfully) and it locked up the rear wheels, ruined the brake rotor hats. I contacted E Stopp and they didn't want to make it right at all. Highly recommend not going with it, but thats just my two cents

What do you mean "one of the actuators let go"? With an E-Stopp system there is only one actuator which pulls the brake cables to engage the park brakes. When the park brakes are released the E-Stopp actuator is extended and there is no tension on the cables or the park brake mechanism. The comment above makes no sense.

[dontlifttoshift]

I think he means one of the actuators in internal parking brake itself came loose and wedged itself inside the rotor hat.....I think.

I installed an eStopp in a car with IPSCO spot calipers and it worked quite well. Same unit, same car, now running a stock C6 internal park brake and it works flawlessly.

[GregWeld]

I've installed TWO E-stopps ---- both using the Wilwood internal brake drum rears -- works exactly as you'd expected it too. It's a great product and an even better idea!

[carbuff]

Greg,

How did you mount the unit? At 600# of pulling force, it would need a fairly significant mounting point I would expect...

[GregWeld]

Greg,

How did you mount the unit? At 600# of pulling force, it would need a fairly significant mounting point I would expect...

If you have to ask - don't start the project.....


I mounted one on a 69 Camaro using the inside of the rocker area and floor - but I built a bracket that was done with blindside fastener to remove it if it needed service (which - since we had one of the every earliest versions -- it did!).... Mounting in that position kept it away from header heat...

Other one was on my 33 coupe.... and It had a tube chassis.... again - a flat plate was used to mount it (for shear) on the tubes forming the tranny tunnel.

EVERY car is different - nobody can create or build a mount, because there are so many variables. Ya just have to figure it out.

[carbuff]

I was contemplating whether I could attach it to my subframe connector somehow, as that is certainly solidly mounted. If I tried to go on the inside of it, I expect it would be too tall. I wouldn't want it hanging below the SFC itself.

I'd like to get rid of the parking brake pedal. It's really annoying during long drives.

I'd be curious to hear how anyone else has mounted one of these as well...

Thanx Greg.

[Goosesdad]

I'm not going to have a back seat so I'm thinking of mounting it on top of the trans tunnel, basically facing (pulling) toward the front of the car and then having the cables do the 180 and poke out right at the wheel well. I'll hide it under the backseat delete structure, all happening behind the seats. I've measured it and it will fit....tight but it will fit. Sorry for the crude pic.

[MtotheIKEo]

I can't remember the thread, but someone had theirs mounted on the shelf behind the rear seat pulling laterally in the car. Seemed like a nice out of the elements, out of the way location.

[dhutton]

I can't remember the thread, but someone had theirs mounted on the shelf behind the rear seat pulling laterally in the car. Seemed like a nice out of the elements, out of the way location.

That is where I installed the one in my wife's convertible. It couldn't go on the floor pan due to all the braces that convertibles have.

Don

[Boss 5.0]

I think that reference was of me, mounting it in the trunk under the package tray. See attached picture. For my situation this made the most sense. Dry, out of the way in what is normally dead space anyway.

I am still in the assembly stage of my car so I haven't been able to try out the functionality of it, but I am hopeful.


I hope this helps someone decide a mount point. Under the car was not an option.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii273/hotrod-1947/IMG_3272_zpstnzfpv4a.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/hotrod-1947/media/IMG_3272_zpstnzfpv4a.jpg.html)

[Goosesdad]

Thanks Glenn! Great intel, I like where you mounted it. Not being critical here but I was surprised the EStopp guys didn't have more pics/ideas/direction on install options....maybe just because the install is easier than I'm making it out to be! Where did you poke out the drivers side cable?

I've not run this past the Baer guys yet in order to understand what pulling force their ebrake is looking for -- I will serve up whatever I find.

[dontlifttoshift]

Different and aesthetically unrefined.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-pRwDk2D/0/5740360e/O/IMG_1696.jpg

The outer housing from the E stopp is threaded directly into the block on the right as is the inner cable from the right side park brake.

The inner cable from the E stopp is threaded directly to the block on the left side as is the inner cable from left side park brake. The blocks look like this, I think I had to retap the blocks to match the threads on the Estopp cable and housing.

http://content.speedwaymotors.com/ProductImages/491S8070_R_ee25709b-f1ae-4c2c-90f5-7eb37eed5687.jpg

The outer housings that route to the park brake are mount to a piece of 1" box tubing with a tab on each end. All of the load is contained within that bracket and there is no load at all on the mounts of either the Estopp or the bracket holding the cables.

Why do it this way? When the Estopp is engaged, it tries to pull the inner cable into the outer housing.....pulling the left and right park brake cables closer together. Because it floats, it self equalizes, ensuring that the pulling force is equal between both sides.

[Boss 5.0]

Different and aesthetically unrefined.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-pRwDk2D/0/5740360e/O/IMG_1696.jpg

The outer housing from the E stopp is threaded directly into the block on the right as is the inner cable from the right side park brake.

The inner cable from the E stopp is threaded directly to the block on the left side as is the inner cable from left side park brake. The blocks look like this, I think I had to retap the blocks to match the threads on the Estopp cable and housing.

http://content.speedwaymotors.com/ProductImages/491S8070_R_ee25709b-f1ae-4c2c-90f5-7eb37eed5687.jpg

The outer housings that route to the park brake are mount to a piece of 1" box tubing with a tab on each end. All of the load is contained within that bracket and there is no load at all on the mounts of either the Estopp or the bracket holding the cables.

Why do it this way? When the Estopp is engaged, it tries to pull the inner cable into the outer housing.....pulling the left and right park brake cables closer together. Because it floats, it self equalizes, ensuring that the pulling force is equal between both sides.


I like the looks of the way you mounted it. I have to admit, I am a little confused as to how they each pull. One goes one way, while the other goes the opposite. So how is the E Stopp cable pulling in two directions? Maybe its obvious, but as tired as I am I'm stumped. Lol.....

[Boss 5.0]

Thanks Glenn! Great intel, I like where you mounted it. Not being critical here but I was surprised the EStopp guys didn't have more pics/ideas/direction on install options....maybe just because the install is easier than I'm making it out to be! Where did you poke out the drivers side cable?



Both cables poke through right next to their respective inner wheel house little forward of center.

[dhutton]

I like the looks of the way you mounted it. I have to admit, I am a little confused as to how they each pull. One goes one way, while the other goes the opposite. So how is the E Stopp cable pulling in two directions? Maybe its obvious, but as tired as I am I'm stumped. Lol.....

The devil is in the details that he wrote. Took me reading it a couple of times to figure it out. Very ingenious!

Don

[130fe]

Glenn/Donny, where did you guys get the brackets you used to mount the cables to (the one that has the cables pulling their respective ways)? Any info would be appreciated.

[dhutton]

Glenn/Donny, where did you guys get the brackets you used to mount the cables to (the one that has the cables pulling their respective ways)? Any info would be appreciated.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-E-Stopp-2-to-1-Brake-Cable-Adapter-Bracket-w-Machined-Finish-ESB001-/311202685105?hash=item48752020b1:g:nFYAAOSwiCRUgMD 7&vxp=mtr

[dontlifttoshift]

I made it. Box tubing and a couple of gusseted tabs welded to the ends.

[68EFIvert]

Different and aesthetically unrefined.



https://photos.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-pRwDk2D/0/5740360e/O/IMG_1696.jpg



The outer housing from the E stopp is threaded directly into the block on the right as is the inner cable from the right side park brake.



The inner cable from the E stopp is threaded directly to the block on the left side as is the inner cable from left side park brake. The blocks look like this, I think I had to retap the blocks to match the threads on the Estopp cable and housing.



http://content.speedwaymotors.com/ProductImages/491S8070_R_ee25709b-f1ae-4c2c-90f5-7eb37eed5687.jpg



The outer housings that route to the park brake are mount to a piece of 1" box tubing with a tab on each end. All of the load is contained within that bracket and there is no load at all on the mounts of either the Estopp or the bracket holding the cables.



Why do it this way? When the Estopp is engaged, it tries to pull the inner cable into the outer housing.....pulling the left and right park brake cables closer together. Because it floats, it self equalizes, ensuring that the pulling force is equal between both sides.



Where did you pick up the brass blocks? Such a great idea! Thanks for sharing it!


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[68EFIvert]

Never mind. I found them. They are made by Lokar.


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[Goosesdad]

Different and aesthetically unrefined.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-pRwDk2D/0/5740360e/O/IMG_1696.jpg

The outer housing from the E stopp is threaded directly into the block on the right as is the inner cable from the right side park brake.

The inner cable from the E stopp is threaded directly to the block on the left side as is the inner cable from left side park brake. The blocks look like this, I think I had to retap the blocks to match the threads on the Estopp cable and housing.

http://content.speedwaymotors.com/ProductImages/491S8070_R_ee25709b-f1ae-4c2c-90f5-7eb37eed5687.jpg

The outer housings that route to the park brake are mount to a piece of 1" box tubing with a tab on each end. All of the load is contained within that bracket and there is no load at all on the mounts of either the Estopp or the bracket holding the cables.

Why do it this way? When the Estopp is engaged, it tries to pull the inner cable into the outer housing.....pulling the left and right park brake cables closer together. Because it floats, it self equalizes, ensuring that the pulling force is equal between both sides.

Well played sir!! Thanks for sharing.

[dontlifttoshift]

Thanks, but I stole the concept from Cadillac. That is how they connect the cables on the CTS with the electric parking brake.

[Boss 5.0]

The devil is in the details that he wrote. Took me reading it a couple of times to figure it out. Very ingenious!

Don

Completely ingenious. Now that I am reading it clearly I see where it floats and is pulling equally. Thats what I missed the first time. Love the idea.

[TheJDMan]

Thanks, but I stole the concept from Cadillac. That is how they connect the cables on the CTS with the electric parking brake.

Donny,
Thanks for sharing this hook up! I was planning to mount my E-Stopp in that same location but was struggling with the cable routing from each wheel. This arrangement makes the routing a cinch. I know how to make this system work now.

[Sheck44]

Any chance someone could post a few pics of how you routed the cables to the callipers ?? I've been looking at the bottom of my car for hours and I'm a bit stumped on how I'm going to run these cables

Thanks
Steve

[Boss 5.0]

Any chance someone could post a few pics of how you routed the cables to the callipers ?? I've been looking at the bottom of my car for hours and I'm a bit stumped on how I'm going to run these cables

Thanks
Steve

I don't have pics handy, but I could take some. I think a lot of it is going to depend on the type of caliper, and where they route off of them. Mine are GM calipers and are pulling in a downward direction, so my cables route under the springs/axle and then up. I poked through the trunk floor tight to the inner wheel house.

Try not to over think it. I was doing that for a while on where to mount this unit, and for the cables. I walked away for a while. When I came back it just hit me where to mount this unit and the cables.

[mklinger]

Dontlifttoshift,

Great mounting idea. I went to duplicate your installation but have a problem and before I call EStopp I thought i'd ask here. The unit I received has a much shorter cable than what is pictured in your installation and certainly not long enough to make the 180 turn back. Did you modify the unit or did it come with a longer cable? Pic below is what I have.

[dontlifttoshift]

I did not modify mine at all, that is the cable that came with it.

Maybe there was a production change? Let us know what you hear back from Estopp.

[waynieZ]

mklinger, Did you ever find out about the different length cable on the E-STOPP?

[dontlifttoshift]

They all have the short cable now. I didn't ask if they could still build with the long cable.

[waynieZ]

Thanks

[Goosesdad]

Here is my set up.

Just finished the installation, it's a pretty nice piece. I used Lokar cables, they are also pretty sweet. Smooth inner liner makes for a slick cable pull even with some pretty tight bends.

This will all be covered with the center console and the rear deck area. EStopp is a little loud to be mounted inside but since this will all be covered with the center console and rear deck, most of the sound should be mitigated. The button is pretty nice and overall a pretty clean set up.

Mounted it on some 16gauge with the nuts welded underneath.

If you buy the Lokar cables, you won't need the EStopp splitter (the machined Al block) as the Lokar kit comes with a pretty nice splitter. The Lokar set up is actually a little tidier.

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[cpd004]

Nice! Which dimple die tool are you using?

[Goosesdad]

Nice! Which dimple die tool are you using?

1 3/4" from JBugs

[mklinger]

Thought I would add to this thread since some good ideas were shared. Here is what I came up with for installation in a 2nd gen Firebird. Some where between not having enough room and enough cable was this idea. Works great and looks great. Tucked out of sight.

[waynieZ]

It looks great, nice job!

[Goosesdad]

Well done!

[joeko23]

I bought this kit it has everything including that bracket that estopp sells separately all within the box. It's a nice self contained unit. I'm mounting mine right under the package tray (in the trunk floor) in my 69 Camaro. It's basically the same unit Speedway sells but way cheaper
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Push-Button-Electrical-Emergency-Brake-Kit-with-Cables-parking-ebrake-gasser-ez/123134844773?hash=item1cab689f65:g:9pgAAOSwhEla-vd4

[Dr. Jekyll]

Wow what a really great set up, thanks for sharing!

[RdHuggr68]

Different and aesthetically unrefined.

https://photos.smugmug.com/Repair-Service-Upgrades/Richs-69-Camaro/i-pRwDk2D/0/5740360e/O/IMG_1696.jpg

The outer housing from the E stopp is threaded directly into the block on the right as is the inner cable from the right side park brake.

The inner cable from the E stopp is threaded directly to the block on the left side as is the inner cable from left side park brake. The blocks look like this, I think I had to retap the blocks to match the threads on the Estopp cable and housing.

http://content.speedwaymotors.com/ProductImages/491S8070_R_ee25709b-f1ae-4c2c-90f5-7eb37eed5687.jpg

The outer housings that route to the park brake are mount to a piece of 1" box tubing with a tab on each end. All of the load is contained within that bracket and there is no load at all on the mounts of either the Estopp or the bracket holding the cables.

Why do it this way? When the Estopp is engaged, it tries to pull the inner cable into the outer housing.....pulling the left and right park brake cables closer together. Because it floats, it self equalizes, ensuring that the pulling force is equal between both sides.

Donny, I like your install on the E-Stopp below the package tray. My question is, did you come straight down to the the cable attatchment behind your backing plate? Or is there another lower bracket for the cable in front of the rear axle? Thanks

[dontlifttoshift]

After going through the trunk floor the cable is routed right to the cable mount on the axle housing.....I may have tied it off to the lower link of the rear suspension, I do not recall.

Worth noting, the eStopp comes with a much shorter cable now and will not allow for the exact setup shown in the picture. The concept would still work, but you will not be able to make the 180* bend with the eStopp cable.

[dhutton]

I saw a post from John Parsons where he only uses one cable to one wheel. A simple solution....

Don

[RdHuggr68]

I saw a post from John Parsons where he only uses one cable to one wheel. A simple solution....

Don

Could you share the post or tell me the site you saw it on? :thankyou:

[dontlifttoshift]

It was on pro-touring. I don't think there was a pic. Just route the EStopp to one wheel with one cable. It eliminates the need to divide into two cables.

[214Chevy]

I've read reviews where this E-Stopp engages while the car is driving. It's been said in many forums. Uhhh, that's not good.

[dhutton]

I've read reviews where this E-Stopp engages while the car is driving. It's been said in many forums. Uhhh, that's not good.

That is likely because they didn’t connect the ignition lockout which keeps it from engaging when the car is running.

Could you post some links because I can’t find anything on this regarding E-Stopp specifically.

Don

[jmac]

This device will not engage while the engine is running? I'd like it to do that, so I can leave the car parked in neutral while running.

[dhutton]

This device will not engage while the engine is running? I'd like it to do that, so I can leave the car parked in neutral while running.

There is a wire that you connect to ignition power to prevent it from engaging when running. You are free to omit that connection...

Don

[jmac]

Gotcha. Wonder if it's just operator error causing it to engage while driving.

[dontlifttoshift]

I never hook up that wire. Not being able to use the park brake in autox grid is dumb.

The unit engages so slowly that even if you bumped the switch on accident it would be 5 seconds before it made a full pull.......at that point the little tiny brake shoes would probably disappear.

[jmac]

It would be cool if companies started to integrate an electric parking brake in to the caliper itself like some OEMs are now doing.

[dontlifttoshift]

It would be cool if companies started to integrate an electric parking brake in to the caliper itself like some OEMs are now doing.

I agree, that is a better solution. Wilwood has this which is part way there. https://wilwood.com/Calipers/CaliperList?subname=Electronic%20Parking%20Brake

[67fairlane]

Wilwood does offer kits:


https://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdRear?itemno=140-15843-DR


https://www.wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdRear?itemno=140-15844-DR

[jmac]

I agree Donny, it's a start. I'd prefer to have it all in one caliper. I'm sure it's just a matter of time. I emailed Baer a few weeks ago on this and they said "it's being discussed"

We'll just have to wait and see I guess. Maybe by the time I actually need brakes, they'll be available! :lol:

[WILWAXU]

Wilwood setup is nice. I got to check it out at PRI

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6Ssqi2Jc2l/

[67fairlane]

Thought I'd share my version...

[Goosesdad]

Well done sir!

[python]

Very interesting

[cwylie]

Thought I'd share my version...

Is that the e-stopp setup?

[214Chevy]

Thought I'd share my version...

Niiiiiiiice!!

[67fairlane]

It is the e-stopp actuator with my version of a cable connecting bracket.

[MtotheIKEo]

After poking around at some OEM electric parking brake solutions it looks like some are using Tesla rear calipers for parking brakes.
Calipers can be found for $50-$100/pair on ebay...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tesla-Model-S-Parking-Brake-Caliper-Brembo-Electric-Good-Plug/174357005539?hash=item28987cc4e3:g:ccEAAOSwnlRewe4 a
A company sells a controller for them with a few actuation options...
https://www.pantera-electronics.com/epbcontroller.htm
You're on your own for brackets in most cases.

The calipers operate similar to a reverse polarity power window, and I had a spare window controller laying around so I'm going to try using that and see if it works. 2-way momentary switch, 1 way for engage and the other to disengage.
https://www.amazon.com/Directed-Electronics-535T-Automation-Operation/dp/B00H4N1Y2O

I like the e-stopp idea but if cables can be eliminated completely that would be ideal.

https://www.pantera-electronics.com/index_htm_files/86229.jpg

[Beechy]

Prolly can be done with regular Bosch 5-pin relays

[MtotheIKEo]

Prolly can be done with regular Bosch 5-pin relays

You lose out on the load sensing aspect, but 2 relays would certainly work from a pure function standpoint.

[MtotheIKEo]

Caliper is mounted. It works perfectly with the one-touch window controller.

[69Toronto]

Caliper is mounted. It works perfectly with the one-touch window controller.


Im just about to finish my tesla install, I used a module to control the caliper similar to pantera's

I have installed only 1 tesla caliper....do you think this enough to hold the car from rolling?

[69Toronto]

Caliper is mounted. It works perfectly with the one-touch window controller.


Im just about to finish my tesla install, I used a module to control the caliper similar to pantera's

I have installed only 1 tesla caliper....do you think this enough to hold the car from rolling?

[MtotheIKEo]

Im just about to finish my tesla install, I used a module to control the caliper similar to pantera's

I have installed only 1 tesla caliper....do you think this enough to hold the car from rolling?

1 is enough to hold my car firmly on a steep driveway. It very noticeable if I leave it engaged and try to drive away.

Did you use the Pantera controller or something else?

[69Toronto]

1 is enough to hold my car firmly on a steep driveway. It very noticeable if I leave it engaged and try to drive away.

Did you use the Pantera controller or something else?

thanks good to know...cant wait to see mine work
(car still paint)
I did not use the pantera controller, I found an actuator controller or 99.00 and some generic red/green button
once i get my car back I can take a look and post the name of the manufacturer

[Perry Mitchell]

I was hoping to get more info on the Tesla parking brake conversion for my 67 Camaro. What is the caliper made of? I'm hoping aluminum so I can remove the Tesla logo and get them anodized to match my Wilwood calipers. I also need more info about the recall that applies to the calipers. Can I fix them myself? I am trying to find a caliper cheap enough to play with but they are all around $100 and up per each. I also need to figure out how to mount them.