Abs standalone system

[Charley7]

Looking for info on adding a standalone abs unit. I saw references to a camero unit being used but no actual wire diagrams or a how to.

Any info would be appreciated

Thanks
Charley

[raustinss]

Hot rod magazine profiled someone who adapted a corvette system to their 69 camaro ....abs module, yaw sensor , steering sensor ,wheel sensors ...I know I'm missing something else.... Try firing up to googles and check it out . The nice thing is with factory parts replacement pieces are easily found

[Charley7]

Hot rod magazine profiled someone who adapted a corvette system to their 69 camaro ....abs module, yaw sensor , steering sensor ,wheel sensors ...I know I'm missing something else.... Try firing up to googles and check it out . The nice thing is with factory parts replacement pieces are easily found

Thanks. I'll look in to that

Charley

[jonathonar89]

You'll probably need late model Corvette hubs up front and Camaro rear end to get the sensors required. The rest would be grafting in GM ABS parts and GM computer.

[raustinss]

I found it online ....August 2011 issue of Hot Rod magazine

[out2kayak]

FYI:

http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/de/de/produkte/catalog_products_1_771188.php

The C6 Corvette (I can specifically state the 2010) uses what looks to be very similar components.

[Charley7]

You'll probably need late model Corvette hubs up front and Camaro rear end to get the sensors required. The rest would be grafting in GM ABS parts and GM computer.

I have c6 hubs on my nova now and looking at the Millerbuilt floater kit so the sensors are taken care of.

Just wondering how to wire and what module I'll need.

Thanks
Charley

[raustinss]

The online article doesn't seem to have all the info the magazine one did ...maybe I'm wrong either way I'm sure I still have that article here somewhere ..I'll see if I can find it I could mail you a copy ....there was a bunch more pictures and diagrams

[Charley7]

The online article doesn't seem to have all the info the magazine one did ...maybe I'm wrong either way I'm sure I still have that article here somewhere ..I'll see if I can find it I could mail you a copy ....there was a bunch more pictures and diagrams

Yeah the online was pretty vague.

Or I could find a back issue.
But that would be appreciated.

Charley

[raustinss]

I found my copy which I ripped from the magazine and kept cause I thought it was a good idea ....pm me your address and I'll mail you a copy ....I don't have a scanner so I can't email it to you

[Charley7]

I found my copy which I ripped from the magazine and kept cause I thought it was a good idea ....pm me your address and I'll mail you a copy ....I don't have a scanner so I can't email it to you

That's great. I sent a pm


Charley

[raustinss]

Did you get the email with pics ?

[Charley7]

I found my copy which I ripped from the magazine and kept cause I thought it was a good idea ....pm me your address and I'll mail you a copy ....I don't have a scanner so I can't email it to you

No I just checked.

[email protected]


Thanks
Charley

[raustinss]

Hmmmm my apologies just resent ....

[Sparks67]

You can follow this thread here on the ABS setup on Camaro XV. http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=39584&page=69

The Bosch setup was used on Camaro XV, and it is rather expensive to put on a car.

Jeff

[MtotheIKEo]

I found my copy which I ripped from the magazine and kept cause I thought it was a good idea ....pm me your address and I'll mail you a copy ....I don't have a scanner so I can't email it to you

Just an FYI, there are smartphone apps that let you take a picture and it converts it to a PDF. Pretty handy for scanning documents on the go.

[raustinss]

Well wtf....have to look into that one thanks . I'm not a big computer tech kinda guy . Just never really had an interest or learned

[craig510]

http://www.miataturbo.net/build-threads-57/retrofit-abs-into-nb-73579/

It looks like the nb Miata setup can be used. Integrated controller and pump. Wiring diagrams are at the bottom of the page. It has separate front and rear fluid paths so it can be used with a bias bar but is only 3 channels and no software support so it is mostly for keeping from flat spotting.

They are only a couple hundred bucks on eBay. I have bee thinking of getting one and see if I can get it to read c5 speed sensors.

[Charley7]

You can follow this thread here on the ABS setup on Camaro XV. http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=39584&page=69

The Bosch setup was used on Camaro XV, and it is rather expensive to put on a car.

Jeff

http://www.miataturbo.net/build-threads-57/retrofit-abs-into-nb-73579/

It looks like the nb Miata setup can be used. Integrated controller and pump. Wiring diagrams are at the bottom of the page. It has separate front and rear fluid paths so it can be used with a bias bar but is only 3 channels and no software support so it is mostly for keeping from flat spotting.

They are only a couple hundred bucks on eBay. I have bee thinking of getting one and see if I can get it to read c5 speed sensors.

Thanks guys. I'll check them out.
Charley

[raustinss]

The problem with anything miata related is it just can't handle nor was designed to operate on cars this heavy most of our muscle cars are quite a bit more then miata . .like a pure minimum of 500 lbs . I don't think a miata even weights over 2700 lbs (sold cars for a mazda dealership 15 yrs ago)

[Charley7]

The problem with anything miata related is it just can't handle nor was designed to operate on cars this heavy most of our muscle cars are quite a bit more then miata . .like a pure minimum of 500 lbs . I don't think a miata even weights over 2700 lbs (sold cars for a mazda dealership 15 yrs ago)

My nova weighed in at 3000lbs was 2780 before I changed it from stock form.
A 4l60e is fat compared to a Muncie.


Charley

[raustinss]

Sorry Charlie , that was more geared for the camaro...chevelle guys. Yes in that case you would be within the "dynamics" of a miata ...the question then goes back to if the sensors and module will talk to each other

[Charley7]

Sorry Charlie , that was more geared for the camaro...chevelle guys. Yes in that case you would be within the "dynamics" of a miata ...the question then goes back to if the sensors and module will talk to each other

No worries. Yeah but I think the Miata is a 3 channel system.
Getting closer. I've now joined the corvette forum. I've read thru the stielow build he's used that Bosch kit that is big money. But has used the vette unit a few times with great success.

Charley

[PTAddict]

Another option is the Teves system originally used in the mid 2000s BMW M3 CSL (European high end sport model). This is a popular system with club racers, even as a replacement for factory late model Porsche systems.

It requires active ABS sensors, e.g. of the type used in various late model Bosch setups. In my case, I used 2009+ vette hubs all around.

I sourced my system, less hubs but complete with wire harness, for less than $4K from Curt Jung at Jung Motorsports, 713-447-5864. Don't quote me on the price, it may have changed by now! I chose a basic Teves setup with the same controller and calibration used in the road car, but it has worked very well for me in the last 2 years of track days in my 69 Camaro. There are more advanced Teves motorsport setups as well, Curt can give you details.

I'm personally upgrading to the killer Bosch M4 ClubSport system, but that is serious $$ even if you find a more price friendly overseas dealer.

Scott

[raustinss]

4k$...? ....the system mentioned in the article can be had for 1500-2000$ ish depending on how you buy the parts

[PTAddict]

4k$...? ....the system mentioned in the article can be had for 1500-2000$ ish depending on how you buy the parts

Yes, but this is for all new parts plus a custom harness. And this Teves unit has a much better reputation as a track worthy system than the C5 vette stuff (e.g. go to the racing section on Corvette forum and search for "ABS ice mode").

When it comes to ABS, I personally would always go with a proven solution from professionals. You can far too easily end up with a system that is sub-optimal or even dangerous. A few $K isn't much compared to every other performance mod we make to our vehicles.

[raustinss]

Yes, but this is for all new parts plus a custom harness. And this Teves unit has a much better reputation as a track worthy system than the C5 vette stuff (e.g. go to the racing section on Corvette forum and search for "ABS ice mode").

When it comes to ABS, I personally would always go with a proven solution from professionals. You can far too easily end up with a system that is sub-optimal or even dangerous. A few $K isn't much compared to every other performance mod we make to our vehicles.

Well not to come across as a d#+k ....the system that I mention uses gm parts which are designed to work together and was designed by professionals ....the only funny part is what it's being installed in . Fyi gm stuff is VERY proven on the street and track. I'm pretty sure the c6 stuff would also swap over but not quite sure .

[PTAddict]

Well not to come across as a d#+k ....the system that I mention uses gm parts which are designed to work together and was designed by professionals ....the only funny part is what it's being installed in . Fyi gm stuff is VERY proven on the street and track. I'm pretty sure the c6 stuff would also swap over but not quite sure .

When I started looking at ABS retrofit, I also thought I would go with a C5-based setup because of that same article. But I ran across quite a few threads of this type on Corvette forum:

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/autocrossing-and-roadracing/3531180-tired-of-ebcm-issues-on-track-dual-m-c-conversion-on-c5z.html

These were mostly T2 and AX racers who had experienced effectively no braking due to ice mode logic. Doing quite a bit more research on the nets, it seems that this type of problem is found in a number of OEM applications, even including some higher performance Porsche cars. The problem seems to be rarely triggered - many drivers never experience it - but it made me nervous. Take a system known to occasionally exhibit dangerous misbehavior, piece it together from used parts, eliminate some sensors, and install it in a vehicle with different dynamic behavior - hmm. I do about a dozen track days a year, and I didn't want to be wondering at the end of every 140 MPH straight if my ABS system would try to kill me. I have a couple friends who wheel C5s and have never had an issue, so maybe I'm overly paranoid - but still.

I looked at the early (Delphi) C6 stuff, but it seemed from the diagrams there were more inputs it wanted that I would have to figure out how to fake - and Stielow implied as much in one of his build threads.

The Teves is something I learned about from reading some racing forum or another - apparently its the go-to solution for racers who don't want to pony up for the Bosch Motorsport setup. I decided I would source it directly from somebody who was an expert in selling and supporting retrofit systems, even if it cost a bit more, just to minimize hassle and risk (hence my use of the "professional" word, which was misleading).

Not trying to advocate for any one solution as the "best", just depends on budget, goals, appetite for DIY, etc. Just offering another option, and my learnings that might be useful to someone else.

Scott

[raustinss]

Lol Scott you are being paranoid..... But, with some proof so to say of some issues I will say I understand the logic behind it. If I may agree when you are tracking a car at those speeds yes on the one in a million chance that SH#+ goes wrong you want to be safe. I was thinkijg of daily driver and or auto cross . I'm still in the air as to if I would or wouldn't do this being as it can complicate things . I have a feeling I'll end up driving the car for a summer or two then decide if I need to have a abs winter project lol cheers

[Stielow]

Another option is the Teves system originally used in the mid 2000s BMW M3 CSL (European high end sport model). This is a popular system with club racers, even as a replacement for factory late model Porsche systems.

It requires active ABS sensors, e.g. of the type used in various late model Bosch setups. In my case, I used 2009+ vette hubs all around.

I sourced my system, less hubs but complete with wire harness, for less than $4K from Curt Jung at Jung Motorsports, 713-447-5864. Don't quote me on the price, it may have changed by now! I chose a basic Teves setup with the same controller and calibration used in the road car, but it has worked very well for me in the last 2 years of track days in my 69 Camaro. There are more advanced Teves motorsport setups as well, Curt can give you details.

I'm personally upgrading to the killer Bosch M4 ClubSport system, but that is serious $$ even if you find a more price friendly overseas dealer.

Scott


I have not used this but I know people who have and said it worked fine.

Mark