Not a Torino Not an FE

[FETorino]

Working backwards from the last track day out.

Here is nothing special but a race car none the less and one I ended up rebuilding.

Out of the trailer

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-DbNJpvp/0/L/i-DbNJpvp-L.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-S2B4VRH/0/L/i-S2B4VRH-L.jpg

One of us is taking the wrong line:headscratch:

You guess who

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https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-33vnpXZ/0/L/i-33vnpXZ-L.jpg

I learned you Can NOT out accelerate a 911 Turbo with 340 rwhp no matter how much weight you have stripped out of your car.:shakehead: :shakehead:

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8jSsvFs/0/L/i-8jSsvFs-L.jpg

But not all P car drivers are Pr#@*s

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LJgG4bM/0/L/i-LJgG4bM-L.jpg

I learned Sonoma is a challenging track that is a hell of a lot of fun to drive.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mDfxDdV/0/L/i-mDfxDdV-L.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-5vCSSC8/0/L/i-5vCSSC8-L.jpg

And as always I was reminded good friends at the track make the day.

Thanks for the pics Siegmiester.

More details on the car to follow, maybe.

[DBasher]

I want more details...I know it's an old Bondurant car and than an AI before you got it, how far from stock is it? This car and this event is what got me looking at these and older fox bodies.
Spill the beans!

[FETorino]

I want more details...I know it's an old Bondurant car and than an AI before you got it, how far from stock is it? This car and this event is what got me looking at these and older fox bodies.
Spill the beans!

I wish it was a Fox body those have way more style.:(

It's a 99-04 Wedge but the platform is pretty much the same, and the formula for a cheap track car is also.

My car has always been a track car. Back in the day it was a Bonduraunt car then it was updated to compete back east in SCCA and then in Texas as an AI car.

I bought it with a worn out motor and the basic suspension set up and then ended up doing a but load of work bringing it up to it's current spec.

It is nothing fancy but it works well as a track mule and is class legal for NASA AI so I can race it in the series.

Any early Mustang can use the same simple formula to be a competent track car.

Bolt on Maximum Motorsports crossmember, lower control arms with camber caster plates on the front. Coilover strut conversion on all four corners. Plain yellow Bilstien HD struts and shocks. Mine has an old Bonduraunt torque arm in the rear but a Maximum Motorsports torque arm would be the choice. and of course a Panhard bar.

The brakes on it now are 13" Stoptechs up front and stock GT brakes out back. Hawk DT70s front and rear but if you didn't have Aero in the rear then runs 60s out back.

The Aero is some no name wing out back with some big end plates I added, a home made splitter up front with blocked off radiator opening breathing just from the lower opening and some track spec hood vents.

The class limits you to an 18x9.5" wheel and a 275 35 18 Toyo tire so that is what I run. High dollar CL Enkei RA1s on all four corners.

For power in the class you can run any Ford in any Ford or any Chevy in any Chevy ect... Mine is based on a 4.6 2v. I fragged the block and then found a Ford Motorsports boss block with 94mm bores so mine is now a 2v 5.0 mod motor. The class limit is 9.25lb of car per hp (if you have antilock brakes) so my motor is built to get me to a legal 340hp. Heads are ported, headers and intake and better throttle body cams and a tune on the PCM.

I would buy one with a Windsor based motor if I did it again. Cheaper and lighter.

The transmission is a stock T45 with a Findanzia AL flywheel and a Excedy puck style clutch. Out back I have a 3.50 torsion diff 8.8. I wish it was a 3.70 but that's what it had.

The car weighs about 3300lbs with me in it.

You saw it run at Sonoma. I had never been on that track before but the car works well enough to run some decent lap times. It is pretty fun to wrestle around a track.

I would say it is a great platform to get you out on track. It works well enough yet it isn't perfect so it makes you drive and it has a pretty good fun factor for the $$.

[GregWeld]

We did have a lot of fun at Sonoma!!!


Awesome car!

[Flash68]

Fox FTW

[rustomatic]

That's good info, and Sonoma is indeed the awesome track--I can't wait to get back on it. I think a big part of what makes it so cool is that it really embodies the shape and quality of a lot of the good roads in northern CA (and other places), like the one I live on . . .

I drove a '92 Fox-body that had the full Maximum Motorsports kit on it, with drag radials, from South Carolina to CA, and I was really impressed with how it worked (while not compromising ride quality or submitting bad NVH). Another cool thing about the MM stuff is how it's priced so much better than a lot of competing bolt-on stuff out there (and we know it works) . . .

I'm betting that the only time that 340 hp really becomes evident as slightly less than you want is on straights, like at Thunderhill. Most of the time, it's probably quite sufficient.

[GregWeld]

That's good info, and Sonoma is indeed the awesome track--I can't wait to get back on it. I think a big part of what makes it so cool is that it really embodies the shape and quality of a lot of the good roads in northern CA (and other places), like the one I live on . . .

I drove a '92 Fox-body that had the full Maximum Motorsports kit on it, with drag radials, from South Carolina to CA, and I was really impressed with how it worked (while not compromising ride quality or submitting bad NVH). Another cool thing about the MM stuff is how it's priced so much better than a lot of competing bolt-on stuff out there (and we know it works) . . .

I'm betting that the only time that 340 hp really becomes evident as slightly less than you want is on straights, like at Thunderhill. Most of the time, it's probably quite sufficient.





Like the old saying - More HP will make any car faster on the straights - but less weight makes a car faster EVERYWHERE.....


LOL


Just sayin'

[FETorino]

We did have a lot of fun at Sonoma!!!


Awesome car!

Yes we did. I wish I had had a chance to try and chase down the yellow car.:)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-HsHQRQD/0/L/i-HsHQRQD-L.jpg

Thanks for the props on the car. It isn't a show piece but I did put a lot of sweat equity into making it usable and presentable.

That's good info, and Sonoma is indeed the awesome track--I can't wait to get back on it.


Another cool thing about the MM stuff is how it's priced so much better than a lot of competing bolt-on stuff out there (and we know it works) . . .

I can hardly wait to get back to Sonoma and see if I can whittle down my lap times some more. Day one I got to 2:04 and day two I got down to 2:00. My Traqmate failed me on my last session so I don't know what I ultimately ran but I will take a 2:00 flat for the first time at the track.

That is the point with the platform. If someone wants a track toy that has a v8, it a little bit of a handfull at times but can actually run some decent times on a budget just bolt on the MM stuff to a Fox Body or SN95 and have fun.



I'm betting that the only time that 340 hp really becomes evident as slightly less than you want is on straights, like at Thunderhill. Most of the time, it's probably quite sufficient.

It's all the HP to weight ratio. My car is somewhat light but still a bit of a porker at 3300lbs with me in it (part of that issue is my Sasquatch A$$). I am at 9.7lbs per hp which isn't great but the class only allows me 9.25 to 1.

If it were just a track car then I would run 10.5" wheels on all 4 corners and try and get closer to 8 to 1. That would be a lot of fun.




Like the old saying - More HP will make any car faster on the straights - but less weight makes a car faster EVERYWHERE.....


LOL


Just sayin'

Light is Might :thumbsup:

[Josh@Ridetech]

Sweet! I'd love to have my fox out there!!

[FETorino]

Sweet! I'd love to have my fox out there!!

Nothing should be stopping you.

When I got the car there were a lot of things that needed attention. One was the butchered stock dash rattling around while on the track.

It was dubbed the 200hr dash by someone on this site. It didn't take that long but it did take me longer than it should have.

Some cardboard to mock it up.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/dash2_zpskmyhptjq.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/dash2_zpskmyhptjq.jpg.html)

Some work on the sheer and brake

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/dash1_zpsdhvmawhb.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/dash1_zpsdhvmawhb.jpg.html)

A little paint and Bingo

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Of course Weld reminded me today I didn't need to build this for the car to be trackable.

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[DBasher]

Dash looks good, Rob.

You mention some class rules and if it were just a track car you'd run a 10.5" wheel all around. Are you racing door to door in AI or some other class?
:cheers:

[FETorino]

Dash looks good, Rob.

You mention some class rules and if it were just a track car you'd run a 10.5" wheel all around. Are you racing door to door in AI or some other class?
:cheers:

I hope to have my comp license the first of net year and Run NASA American Iron. :flag2:

Yes actual door to door racing.:confused59:

[DBasher]

I hope to have my comp license the first of net year and Run NASA American Iron. :flag2:

Yes actual door to door racing.:confused59:

Nice! Soo, you're going to need a back up car? :D

[FETorino]

Nice! Soo, you're going to need a back up car? :D

:headscratch: Let's hope it doesn"t come to that.:rolleyes:

[DBasher]

Could you give me an idea of cost for the weekend...fuel, tires, pads. Just curious :peepwall:
Folks talk about a spec Miata being cheap, I can't/won't go there.


Inbox is clear and no, not yet. LOL

[GregWeld]

Could you give me an idea of cost for the weekend...fuel, tires, pads. Just curious :peepwall:
Folks talk about a spec Miata being cheap, I can't/won't go there.


Inbox is clear and no, not yet. LOL




Oh this is going to be fun!


Fuel? Depends! Pump gas or 110+ Octane..... 110 at the track is $10 a gallon -- I use 5 or 6 gallons per 20 minute session. You'll get 4 to 5 20 minute sessions per day. Yup -- that's right -- we'll call that $250 per day. ONE THIRD that on pump gas.

TIRES? Depends on how fast you go! I used to get at least 3 track weekends from a set of Hoosiers.... now that I go faster and put more heat in to them - I might get 3 Days -- that's one weekend plus one day of another weekend. Yeah --- so $1800 ish for a set of Hoosiers...


Brakes -- again - how fast you going - do you threshold brake - trail brake? I chew a set of pads in about a years worth.... so call that 3 track weekends. Relatively cheap. My car runs big brakes - big pads - very nice and thick.... until you grind em into the ground! LOL


Track ENTRY FEES - $500 for a two day event

Oh - and then you have HOTEL and FOOD and BOOZE (for Lillard)... and getting to and fro

[FETorino]

Could you give me an idea of cost for the weekend...fuel, tires, pads. Just curious :peepwall:
Folks talk about a spec Miata being cheap, I can't/won't go there.


Inbox is clear and no, not yet. LOL

:popcorn2:

I wish I had enough track days under my belt to really have a handle on the costs but sadly the weekend you saw me run was day 6 & 7 on track.:bang:

Tracking a car is never cheap. Period. Some cars are cheaper to run but nothing is cheap.

Saving money by driving a Miata? Hmmm. :bitchslap:

So brake wear I cannot comment on yet although who needs brakes, they only slow you down.:lostmarbles:

My low hp v8 does not eat like Greg's but I still burn about 15 gallons for a full day. I pay $9 a gallon for leaded 110 by my house so figure $130-160 for a days fuel.

The Shelby club events are more expensive. You can run with other groups for far less. In my area you can usually figure about $175 a day for track fees so low end $350 up to the $5-600 that Weld is talking about for a full weekend. Some times tracks like Streets of Willow have entry fees as low as $110 with some groups.

Big name tracks = more cost. It costs more to runs at Laguna Seca or Sonoma than say Buttonwillow or Chuckwalla.

The Spec Toyo RA1s, and now Toyo RRs, in a 275 35 18 cost about $1100 a set. It looks like I will get 4 weekends out of my first set of RA1s. The RRs will wear faster and if I up my speed on track they will wear faster yet. I'd bet I will get 4-5 track days from a set of RRs. The RA1s wear like iron so I bet they would always give me 7-8 days even if I get to be fast.

Figure you will bleed your brakes after every weekend. Oil and fluid changes are up to you.

Then you have to get to the track and back. For me that is a Diesel pulling a 40ft gooseneck with a sleeper section (I probably should post some info on that at some point) up front at 8mpg. So for a 100 mile trip to the track add another $60-75.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/B05F8536-9911-409A-B528-7F655A32B862_zps66zostqc.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/B05F8536-9911-409A-B528-7F655A32B862_zps66zostqc.jpg.html)

So a weekend away staying in my trailer is about $1k give or take.

[FETorino]

Also remember that you can't leave anything alone. Maybe you can but I can't. If the car runs a little hot then you have to cut to cure.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/E242A125-CB06-4B44-859F-0862D6B69D92_zpsnftj86am.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/E242A125-CB06-4B44-859F-0862D6B69D92_zpsnftj86am.jpg.html)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/C92965A5-B441-4572-BAE1-1CE132FC2681_zpsjca7jtxp.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/C92965A5-B441-4572-BAE1-1CE132FC2681_zpsjca7jtxp.jpg.html)

Track Spec make a great product and my engine temps really dropped when I added these and my radiator duct project.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/A70EB31A-42F8-4825-8CD4-DED5E6C8B690_zpskfxeqhmj.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/A70EB31A-42F8-4825-8CD4-DED5E6C8B690_zpskfxeqhmj.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

Who Cares What It Costs -- Worth Every Nickle!!

[FETorino]

Who Cares What It Costs -- Worth Every Nickle!!

That pretty much sums it up.:thumbsup:

Just set some clear attainable goals and get after it.:superhack:

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[DBasher]

Just set some clear attainable goals and get after it.:superhack:

Done!

[Flash68]

Just set some clear attainable goals and get after it.

August 2016 comes to mind.

:cheers:

[FETorino]

August 2016 comes to mind.

:cheers:

:headscratch: Target finish date for BMF? :cheers:

[Flash68]

Just set some clear attainable goals and get after it.:superhack:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/7C75DBFE-28B5-464E-AFF5-6DFC068D7303_zps3t9znixe.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/7C75DBFE-28B5-464E-AFF5-6DFC068D7303_zps3t9znixe.jpg.html)

Setting the bar that low to start huh? :lol:

:headscratch: Target finish date for BMF? :cheers:

No no no...way too ambitious there.

[DBasher]

August 2016 comes to mind.

:cheers:

Was that Sonoma? The same trip that little girl got pushed in the pool....what an a$$hole! LOL
:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Was that Sonoma? The same trip that little girl got pushed in the pool....what an a$$hole! LOL
:thumbsup:



What kind of a kid (okay it was a girl) falls in the pool with little more than the pointy end of an index finger! Kid needs to set some better goals.

[FETorino]

Setting the bar that low to start huh? :lol:



BMF isn't on track yet :stirthepot: :lmao:


Was that Sonoma? The same trip that little girl got pushed in the pool....what an a$$hole! LOL
:thumbsup:

That guy was kind of a dick.:rolleyes:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/69434D65-30CA-4DB4-919A-851F971BB5F5_zpspqrgqqbp.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/69434D65-30CA-4DB4-919A-851F971BB5F5_zpspqrgqqbp.jpg.html)

[FETorino]

These threads are soo much easier when you already know the ending.:relax:

In these later model cars there is so much wiring. You may get the idea to un-loom the wiring harness of your race car and eliminate all the unneeded wires. Windows, radio, door locks, signals, anti theft system, GEM box that makes the door ding sounds and alarms.

On one hand I don't recommend it. :bang:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/F33103B1-9EF3-4D2D-A658-C0B913F2A7B9_zpsicmlqog9.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/F33103B1-9EF3-4D2D-A658-C0B913F2A7B9_zpsicmlqog9.jpg.html)

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On the other hand it did eliminate over 26 lbs of extra crap that I didn't need and I now know what wire goes to what in the car:cheers:

[SSLance]

Nice job!!!

[FETorino]

Nice job!!!

Thanks

When I bought the car it was cheap. It was cheap because the motor was advertised as tired. It turned out to be even more tired than expected. It lasted a day at Streets of Willow and an evening session at Adams.

That led to a complete rebuild that then blew up after a day at Streets of Willow a trip to Buttonwillow and then back to Streets of Willow to last all of 5 laps.

I had the engine built and the builder stood behind the build even though it was probably the tune and a marginal cooling system that killed it.

So as I pulled the motor out for round three I took a few other precautions.

One of those projects was better cooling.

I bought a new radiator with a larger core.
I bought a big Setrab Oil cooler.
Johns at Tracspec hooked me up with some hood vents.
I built a sealed radiator duct from the grille to the radiator.

Start with the basics.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/D590ABE3-AA2B-431B-B715-BAFBBE498203_zpsjfdiiocq.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/D590ABE3-AA2B-431B-B715-BAFBBE498203_zpsjfdiiocq.jpg.html)

Some mock up.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/4C7FCD7C-436E-433C-BD90-31650CE221C8_zpsaoqhgvyc.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/4C7FCD7C-436E-433C-BD90-31650CE221C8_zpsaoqhgvyc.jpg.html)

A couple weekends with a shear, brake and bead roller.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/144BBDFB-8FE9-4075-B686-976DBA1B0ADC_zpsxqi4vwnb.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/144BBDFB-8FE9-4075-B686-976DBA1B0ADC_zpsxqi4vwnb.jpg.html)
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http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/B0346ED4-B1A9-4008-A838-6DE71CD9079E_zpsxhacbjf0.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/B0346ED4-B1A9-4008-A838-6DE71CD9079E_zpsxhacbjf0.jpg.html)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/CD9F3721-5B8B-4545-B3FE-4E2D7FA3DA19_zpsfhzevwnf.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/CD9F3721-5B8B-4545-B3FE-4E2D7FA3DA19_zpsfhzevwnf.jpg.html)
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/8C63481E-253B-4557-8C14-CD74F85D80A2_zpsyzygup5t.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/8C63481E-253B-4557-8C14-CD74F85D80A2_zpsyzygup5t.jpg.html)

That solves the problem of getting air in.

[Track Junky]

Great thread RD :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

Awesome car!

I voted for the Fox body.

[GregWeld]

I voted for the Fox body.




I was talking about the 'Vette.....

[FETorino]

Great thread RD :thumbsup:

Thanks G. We have a showdown at Buttonwillow :thumbsup:

I voted for the Fox body.

You'd vote for anything that runs on a track at this point. Another six months and you will be Shopping for a Miata.

I was talking about the 'Vette.....

That red one I kept passing at Sonoma or another one?:D

:relax: :popcorn2:

[FETorino]

there is grip to be had with some aero. There is nothing sophisticated about the aero on AO bit it does have a splitter and a wing that I added some substantial end plates to.

When building the duct for the radiator I wanted to reduce the pressure behind the radiato to get the maximum airflow and cooling.

I also wanted to get the air coming in the grille out from under the hood to reduce front end lift and enhance what front downforce I have.

John at Trackspec helped me with some patterns to check fit of his vents. Like Weld most people vote for the Vette so there are vents for C5s & C6s but none for a lowly New Edge 2000 Mustang.

John had a set I felt would work well.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/CD0146DC-C622-4C52-8D1F-595B90CB104B_zps6axtzvhi.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/CD0146DC-C622-4C52-8D1F-595B90CB104B_zps6axtzvhi.jpg.html)

Cut to cure is what they say.


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The test fit before final triming confirmed they gave the radiator airflow a good exit path.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/A70EB31A-42F8-4825-8CD4-DED5E6C8B690_zpskfxeqhmj.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/A70EB31A-42F8-4825-8CD4-DED5E6C8B690_zpskfxeqhmj.jpg.html)

On track the operating temps were way down and the car seems to have better front end bite.

At least enough to duck under any Orange 69 Camaros I need to pass at Buttonwillow.

[GregWeld]

Wow! Nice fab work!! You must have quite the shop down there to work in!


Can you build some Camaro flares??

[Track Junky]

I like it. Been preaching it for years. Not for heat though. My car always runs under 200 even on the hottest days. First time I ever noticed lift from air getting through the front grill is when I had a fiberglass hood on my car. When I went to the aluminum front clip it was game over for the hood vents. Didn't want anyone welding on the thin gauge aluminum hood. There are other options for me but for now I'm leaving it alone.

[Flash68]

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If your goal was the least possible points in the D&E portion of the USCA series, your work is done here.

You must have quite the shop down there to work in!



Ouch.

[FETorino]

If your goal was the least possible points in the D&E portion of the USCA series, your work is done here.



Ouch.

That is the goal:thumbsup:

The car is for an actual race series.

Ugly or not it gets the job done.

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[GregWeld]

Appears to have just the right amount of pro-touring going on there!

[FETorino]

Appears to have just the right amount of pro-touring going on there!

As in none, yes it does.

[DBasher]

Air in, air out. Check.
Dash and wiring fixed. Check.
Big ole honkin wing on the back. Check.

Front splitter, bolt on deal?

I know your seat time is limited in this car, have you ran with and without wing and splitter? Curious to see if times or even seat of the pants feel is any different.

:popcorn2:
:cheers:

[FETorino]

Air in, air out. Check.
Dash and wiring fixed. Check.
Big ole honkin wing on the back. Check.

Front splitter, bolt on deal?

I know your seat time is limited in this car, have you ran with and without wing and splitter? Curious to see if times or even seat of the pants feel is any different.

:popcorn2:
:cheers:

The splitter has a simple square tube frame that slides into a pair of small reciever pockets welded to the crossmember. The front is supported by two small turnbuckles attached to the bumper core support.

I have limited seat time period. :mad:

The car had the wing and splitter when I bought it so I have never run without them.

I added the larger end plates after I blew the first motor (2 Outings to Streets).

I ran the car at Buttonwillow and once at streets and the second motor let go. It was during that rebuild that I sorted all the other issues out and built the radiator duct and added the hood vents. I also added the traqmate data aquisition at that time so I only have data since then. I changed so many things at once I would be guessing to say what does or doesn't make a difference.

Although I have not been able to really test the wing or splitters effectiveness yet in the future I will use some data to try and tune it. The rules do allow me to run a larger splitter and I have a set of canards for the car. Once I feel consistant in the car at a track and have some data I will try a larger splitter, the canards and possibly run the car without the front splitter to weigh the advantage of grip vs drag.

Big hole in the firewall patched with expansion foam?

Check

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That is another story.

[rustomatic]

There's some leftover sheetmetal in my garage. Would you like to borrow some for that?

[FETorino]

There's some leftover sheetmetal in my garage. Would you like to borrow some for that?

It started out worse

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I cleaned it up and tacked a backing plate in place and then made a quick 10 ga plate that I may attach a strut brace to in the future.

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Lots of attentiion to detail on the firewall paint after welding up all the uneeded holes :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[DBasher]

RACECAR!!
:thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Just set some clear attainable goals and get after it.:superhack:

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Priceless !!!

:trophy-1302:

[DBasher]

Only a few more days....have fun, go fast!
:thumbsup:









And, don't suck!
:cheers:

[FETorino]

Only a few more days....have fun, go fast!
:thumbsup:









. Will do, I'm hunting Orange Camaros and Yellow Mustangs this week.

And, don't suck!
:cheers:

Never. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

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[FETorino]

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My car. Definitely not my hat. :headscratch:

[FETorino]

Glad to hear Dickey done good and didn't wad up the car....the fact that he improved and got faster shows his commitment and character. :trophy-1302:
Agent Orange, FTW!

Sounds like, for the most part you guys had a good time.....of course we still haven't heard from Rob....

It was an amazing few days. It started out pretty rough when I left at 2 am on Thurs morning and got to T-Hill about 1. I felt pretty loopy on track (including a spin) and my car definitely wasn't working well on the worn tires on an unfamiliar track. Seeing the whole group up there was outstanding. The last time we were all together was in ID when we thought we were losing our friend to cancer so this trip was really uplifting.

I had brought a new set of tires and on Friday everyone lent a hand in getting the car out of the trailer, the wheels off and the tires mounted.

On Sat when I got to Sonoma my confidence was not high. I felt like a S**show at T Hill and my wife had called the night before to tell me our pet was at the emergency vet.

I got my head squared away and got on track. The first session I was running with HPDE 2&3 combined so there was some really slow traffic and passing was only allowed on the straights. I had been swinging wide on turn 9 looking at a possible spot to pass. When we did our driver debrief the instructor called me out saying I had some issues with my line. That actually helped as it pissed me off and I told him don't worry I will clean that up next session.

The next session was only HPDE3 and was open passing on the entire track so I came out determined for redemption. When I came in for the debrief the instructor called me out again. This time it was (in his French accent) " where is my orange Cobra? I was watching you closely again. I like what I see. Very nice."

At that point I still felt motivated but also relaxed. I told Morgan, the instructor, That my goal was to get signed off for comp school so I could race in AI. He told me "from what I see that should not be a problem. Come talk to me at the end of the day". The last session was with HPDE 3&4. Surprisingly some of the drivers in 4 were actually kinda squarely but some were dam fast. That session was awesome. I found myself stalking a C7 Vette for a couple of laps as he kept leaving me on the straights even when I thought I had him passed out of the corners. Finally I laid back and got a good run on him out of 10 and blocked him in 11 and gapped him After that. Later that lap a pair of Radicals caught and passed me out of the carousel and then I found a new GT350R on me. After a lap of fighting to stay ahead of him he got me coming into 7. Then I chased him for a couple of laps as he and I worked through some slower traffic. The session was a rush. It was really a taste of what I want to do; race not time trial, actually run wheel to wheel with no passing restrictions.

When I went to the final driver debrief the instructor signed me off into HPDE4 and said he saw no reason I shouldn't sign up for comp check out.

I left the track having accomplished what I wanted. I can now check out for my comp license and start planning on running as a rookie in AI next year.

Now I need to get myself some more consistent seat time. My last time out was last August at the Mini Nats. I only have 10 track days under my belt in my car so I need to change that. I also need to do some basic tuning on my car. I have yet to even check the alignment specs and for Sat sessions I set my tire pressure and just checked and reset it once without temp readings. I need to put some effort into getting the car to work a little better on corner entry and see if I can find a little more overall grip.

AI ran races on Sat and my times would have put me in second or third to last place. About 4 seconds off third and forth and 10 seconds off the best laps of the winning car.

I felt great on track but I have some work to do on me and the car.

[DBasher]

Soooo, what you're saying is, it (you) didn't suck. Nice!

I guess I hadn't realized the process of running up through HPDE to get a comp license, makes sense though. So one more check out and you're literally off to the races?

80 cars on track...good gawd! What did the AI field look like? I watch and support the E30 class in the NW and 35 cars on grid seems like a good amount.

Nice recovery on the weekend, something to be said for a guy that can tune out the noise and get focused on what needs to be done. Hope your pet (I'm guessing a pot belly pig) made a full recovery from the weekend as well.

Thanks for the update, you know I'm rootin for you! :theresa:

:cheers: :flag2: :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Rob did a fantastic job at Sonoma! We all watched in the stands as he progressed.... and that's the best part of all of this --- getting better.... learning... and doing it with friends!

Just generally a stellar week!

[Sieg]

What did the AI field look like?

The 405 on Friday evening at 5.

[57hemicuda]

Yeah, NASA was abit of a cluster. Cars were green, making a full lap at speed, while 20 or more cars were on track stopped, waiting to take off. Intimidated the hell out of me, had to be more then 80 in one session.

[Josh@Ridetech]

Glad that you had a good time! Keep it up :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Soooo, what you're saying is, it (you) didn't suck. Nice!

I guess I hadn't realized the process of running up through HPDE to get a comp license, makes sense though. So one more check out and you're literally off to the races?

80 cars on track...good gawd! What did the AI field look like?

Thanks for the update, you know I'm rootin for you! :theresa:

:cheers: :flag2: :thumbsup:

Rightfully so they don't want people on track in open passing situations who shouldn't be there.

They run multiple classes on track at the same time. Think about LeMams and the different cars racing different classes on track at once. There were too many cars on track to get a clean lap but at the same time working through traffic is more fun than time trailing anyway.

The top AI guys looked FAST. The winner and second place guy both posted sub 1:50 time in traffic.

Thanks for the support I appreciate it. It means a lot.

Now get yourself a clapped out race car and come out there with me.

[GregWeld]

Rightfully so they don't want people on track in open passing situations who shouldn't be there.

They run multiple classes on track at the same time. Think about LeMams and the different cars racing different classes on track at once. There were too many cars on track to get a clean lap but at the same time working through traffic is more fun than time trailing anyway.

The top AI guys looked FAST. The winner and second place guy both posted sub 1:50 time in traffic.

Thanks for the support I appreciate it. It means a lot.

Now get yourself a clapped out race car and come out there with me.






Or get yourself a really nice race car -- just buy my '07 Mustang..... after I fix the "throwing belts" issue..... An easy fix.

[DBasher]

Or get yourself a really nice race car -- just buy my '07 Mustang..... after I fix the "throwing belts" issue..... An easy fix.

As well built and detailed as the 07 is, right meow I'm more of a clapped out kind of guy. Lol

I'll get to the point where I can spend 35k+ on a toy, just not there yet. I tell ya what though, that car on a real race site for sale is closer to $45-50k.....just sayin.

:flag2: :thumbsup:

[Ron in SoCal]

Just get a car and get out there Bash ... :)

[FETorino]

As well built and detailed as the 07 is, right meow I'm more of a clapped out kind of guy. Lol

I'll get to the point where I can spend 35k+ on a toy, just not there yet. I tell ya what though, that car on a real race site for sale is closer to $45-50k.....just sayin.

:flag2: :thumbsup:

The white 07 is nice but even on a smaller budget you can find a good car to run. Just do it:thumbsup:

I'd like to have that 07.

[Flash68]

Rob and I talked years ago that we should get AI or CMC cars... one of us actually did it. And did it right. He spent a lot of blood and sweat getting this POS to the nice state it is in now (in secret, well yes). :D

Car is ready to go and he accomplished his goals. Nice to see a few around here occasionally do that. :lol:

Will be fun to watch Sasquatch work his way up. :cheers:

Or get yourself a really nice race car -- just buy my '07 Mustang..... after I fix the "throwing belts" issue..... An easy fix.

Mr Weld. I believe it is against the rules to peddle goods in others' threads. :rules:

Strike 1.

[DBasher]

It's not too late DG, it's never too late....You go I go.

And not that I'm keeping track, but I'm willing to bet this isn't Welds first strike...:lol:

:flag2:

[gerno]

Both of y'all need to just do it. Not sure I've mentioned it in this thread or not but I'm working towards a CMCS car myself with my 95 GT I bought for 1k, dirt cheap. Until the Camaro gets done I'm just doing basic stuff to it so it stays a street/track car. First I made sure it's all mechanically safe. Thanks to Rob it also now has Cobra brakes all around and this week getting new 17x9.5 wheels and fresh rubber. Next week I'm taking it to the track for the first time to see how it works. You don't have to spend a fortune to have fun, it's funny how envious people get of cheap cars because they know you are having a blast and not always worried if you're going to damage the paint or whatever.

[FETorino]

Both of y'all need to just do it. Not sure I've mentioned it in this thread or not but I'm working towards a CMCS car myself with my 95 GT I bought for 1k, dirt cheap. Until the Camaro gets done I'm just doing basic stuff to it so it stays a street/track car. First I made sure it's all mechanically safe. Thanks to Rob it also now has Cobra brakes all around and this week getting new 17x9.5 wheels and fresh rubber. Next week I'm taking it to the track for the first time to see how it works. You don't have to spend a fortune to have fun, it's funny how envious people get of cheap cars because they know you are having a blast and not always worried if you're going to damage the paint or whatever.

I like your 95. Post a picture of her.

If everything goes to plan then next year Steve, you and I, will run a couple track days in TX. :trophy-1302:

It was pretty funny going through airport security with a suitcase full of brake parts.

COTA during the day and pizza & beer in Austin at night. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

I like your 95. Post a picture of her.

If everything goes to plan then next year Steve, you and I, will run a couple track days in TX. :trophy-1302:

It was pretty funny going through airport security with a suitcase full of brake parts.

COTA during the day and pizza & beer in Austin at night. :thumbsup:




Can I play??:y0!: :y0!:

[FETorino]

Can I play??:y0!: :y0!:

Hell yes. :thumbsup:

[SSLance]

Hey now... Texas isn't THAT far from me... :D From either my current home, or the new one!!

[FETorino]

Hey now... Texas isn't THAT far from me... :D From either my current home, or the new one!!

Keep in touch. You are invited. AZ is close to CA. I'm going to Buttonwillow June 24/25th. PM me. You can stop by my place in Orange and we can go from here. :thumbsup:

[gerno]

Here's the Mustang in all its glory. Completely original car with ~300k miles on it.

62366

62367

Was planning to put some new 17x9.5 Enkei's on it this week but found they are 16lbs and CSMC rules mandate 18+lbs wheels. So this week some partially warn 255 RE71R's are going on the stock wheels so I can get a little seat time on the track after over a year without. Looks like I may be going with some Forgestars in the future since they are the only wheel I can find close to 18lbs thats inexpensive


The more the better here in Texas. Rob and I were talking about one weekend at TWS and a second at COTA. TWS is an old but fun (and cheap) track that will be supposedly closing its doors sometime soon. If I can finish up the Camaro I can have the Mustang as a backup for other drivers....I can pretend to be a white trash version of Weld...

[DBasher]

I'd like to have that 07.

I know a guy who knows a guy, you want me to put in a good word for ya?
:sieg:

[DBasher]

Here's the Mustang in all its glory. Completely original car with ~300k miles on it.

62366

62367

Was planning to put some new 17x9.5 Enkei's on it this week but found they are 16lbs and CSMC rules mandate 18+lbs wheels. So this week some partially warn 255 RE71R's are going on the stock wheels so I can get a little seat time on the track after over a year without. Looks like I may be going with some Forgestars in the future since they are the only wheel I can find close to 18lbs thats inexpensive...

V8, rear wheel drive...cheap, perfect! Lighten it up, lower it down and go make laps, sounds fun to me.
:flag2: :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

I know a guy who knows a guy, you want me to put in a good word for ya?
:sieg:

Nah. I have too much blood, sweat and tears invested in my junk to abandon it now.

Next weekend I have a few more things on my punch list to add to the car in search of some more grip. Then hopefully off to Buttonwillow on the 24/25th to run her again.

V8, rear wheel drive...cheap, perfect! Lighten it up, lower it down and go make laps, sounds fun to me.
:flag2: :thumbsup:

Steve found himself a nice little CMC candidate didn't he:thumbsup:

[FETorino]

Dug into the underside of the car last weekend. http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/E79F5E88-975B-432F-8966-B982A00FDB7D_zpsmbpurcat.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/E79F5E88-975B-432F-8966-B982A00FDB7D_zpsmbpurcat.jpg.html)

Oh boy she is in fine shape check out that subframe.

The circa 2000 torque arm is pretty "vintage"

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[DBasher]

I have a front subframe that looks very much like yours, luckily the Mike Maier subframe connectors "cap" the imperfections and wrap the sides. Done.

I had heard something about Sonoma and T-Hill, I'm hoping to make one of the events to offer my support and general Tom foolery...

You mentioned something about finding more grip, did you find it?
:thumbsup: :cheers:

[FETorino]

I have a front subframe that looks very much like yours, luckily the Mike Maier subframe connectors "cap" the imperfections and wrap the sides. Done.

I had heard something about Sonoma and T-Hill, I'm hoping to make one of the events to offer my support and general Tom foolery...

You mentioned something about finding more grip, did you find it?
:thumbsup: :cheers:

I hope you make it down for one of the weekends.

I am hoping this swap adds some grip.

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[Flash68]

I had heard something about Sonoma and T-Hill, I'm hoping to make one of the events to offer my support and general Tom foolery...



Your tomfoolery would be appreciated by a larger audience and at a better venue at Sonoma. Hopefully you can make it. :cheers:

[DBasher]

Nice shop Rob! I had always ASSumed you had a couple shipping containers with a tarp between them for wrenching...which really isn't a bad way to go. MM for the win!

Happy Father's Day Dave!

:flag2: :cheers:

[FETorino]

Nice shop Rob! I had always ASSumed you had a couple shipping containers with a tarp between them for wrenching...which really isn't a bad way to go. MM for the win!

Happy Father's Day Dave!

:flag2: :cheers:

Your first ASSumption is actually correct. I have done all the previous work in the comfort of my driveway. :wacko:

For this project I hired some expert help who has a shop.

[DBasher]

I've done some of my best work in a carport....come to think of it, not much gets done in the garage. :rolleyes:

:thumbsup:

[FETorino]

I got a chance to run the car out at Buttonwillow with the new torque arm. It was a little looser into the corners but drove harder coming out so I'd say the time spent netted a gain.

[DBasher]

A little loose on entry isn't a bad thing, just look at Moto-x and GP bikes...Ken Block is loose on entry :D

If I could make a suggestion...now keep in mind I'm only a partial expert and not in the field of suspension or driving....or mustangs. Not so good with women or finances either, come to think of it I've really got no business giving any kind of advice. I did however attend one of Ron Suttons classes so that qualifies me as someone who has interest in the subject.
Here it is.
1) lower rear .5 psi
2) more cowbell

Good to see you're out having fun and making improvements.
:thumbsup:

[Flash68]

^ Best post on this thread. LOL

Not so good with women or finances either

:lmao:

[Ron Sutton]

A little loose on entry isn't a bad thing, just look at Moto-x and GP bikes...Ken Block is loose on entry :D

If I could make a suggestion...now keep in mind I'm only a partial expert and not in the field of suspension or driving....or mustangs. Not so good with women or finances either, come to think of it I've really got no business giving any kind of advice. I did however attend one of Ron Suttons classes so that qualifies me as someone who has interest in the subject.
Here it is.
1) lower rear .5 psi
2) more cowbell

Good to see you're out having fun and making improvements.
:thumbsup:

:headspin: :popcorn2: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I don't care who you are ... that is some funny stuff right there. :hail:

[GregWeld]

I talked to Gaetano (not really) and he said 10 psi (or maybe it was 100) in the shocks.... His advice was also to add two clicks to something, and to drive faster. The key is to be a better drag racer between all those stupid corners.

[FETorino]

A little loose on entry isn't a bad thing, just look at Moto-x and GP bikes...Ken Block is loose on entry :D

If I could make a suggestion...now keep in mind I'm only a partial expert and not in the field of suspension or driving....or mustangs. Not so good with women or finances either, come to think of it I've really got no business giving any kind of advice. I did however attend one of Ron Suttons classes so that qualifies me as someone who has interest in the subject.
Here it is.
2) more cowbell

Good to see you're out having fun and making improvements.
:thumbsup:

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[DBasher]

It was a little looser into the corners but drove harder coming out so I'd say the time spent netted a gain.

So what are you thinking?

And was the car looser or just the front or back? I'm guessing the back was loose on entry and the front was gripping.....Yup, that's what I think. Easy fix.

:cheers:

[FETorino]

So what are you thinking?

And was the car looser or just the front or back? I'm guessing the back was loose on entry and the front was gripping.....Yup, that's what I think. Easy fix.

:cheers:

The TA swap was just a start. I'm no suspension Guru but I slept at a Holiday Inn the other night so here is the plan I came up with:

1 Call A suspension tuner
2 Put what he tells me to on the car.
3 Drive faster.

[SSLance]

The TA swap was just a start. I'm no suspension Guru but I slept at a Holiday Inn the other night so here is the plan I came up with:

1 Call Ron Sutton
2 Put what he tells me to on the car.
3 Drive faster.


Solid plan!!

[rustomatic]

If you come to a tree (or DBasher), turn!

The point of the loose entry with the road race bikes is interesting, in that many don't do much, if anything, with rear brakes. On an opposite note, my go-kart racing experience at Nola Motorsports park two weeks ago showed that only having rear brakes can definitely loosen up the corner entry experience. The look, upon corner entry, is quite similar between the two vehicles.

In one case, we have pretty much no weight on the rear end (bike), and in the other, we have nearly all the weight on the rear (kart), and in both cases, we have sliding rear wheels (and stuck fronts). Freakin' gravity . . .

[DBasher]

The TA swap was just a start. I'm no suspension Guru but I slept at a Holiday Inn the other night so here is the plan I came up with:

1 Call Ron Sutton
2 Put what he tells me to on the car.
3 Drive faster.

Science!

[FETorino]

Science!

I apologize for getting a little too technical in describing my plan. :thumbsup:

[DBasher]

I figured you were dumbing it down for me, which I appreciate. :sieg:

If I'm reading the rules right..it looks like suspension is pretty wide open as long as the frame isn't modified and the upper rear shock mounting point is retained.
"Control arm mounting points are unrestricted" Nice!

And a maximum tire of 275 as long as you don't exceed the track width...hmm.

Looking forward to another Sutton Mustang makeover.
:cheers:

[FETorino]

I figured you were dumbing it down for me, which I appreciate. :sieg:

If I'm reading the rules right..it looks like suspension is pretty wide open as long as the frame isn't modified and the upper rear shock mounting point is retained.
"Control arm mounting points are unrestricted" Nice!

And a maximum tire of 275 as long as you don't exceed the track width...hmm.

Looking forward to another Sutton Mustang makeover.
:cheers:

Not isn't doing anything radical to try and stay within a budget. The MM suspension bits will be retained but the spring and bar rates will be optimized. A new set of shocks and struts from Ridetech will dampen things correctly. Lastly the panhard bar mounts will be redone to allow for adjustment and an optimized rrch and I will run camber, caster and toe settings spec'd

[DBasher]

Ron isn't doing anything radical to try and stay within a budget. The MM suspension bits will be retained but the spring and bar rates will be optimized. A new set of shocks and struts from Ridetech will dampen things correctly. Lastly the panhard bar mounts will be redone to allow for adjustment and an optimized rrch and I will run camber, caster and toe settings spec'd by Ron.

Phase 1 sounds perfect....:D

[GregWeld]

If you come to a tree (or DBasher), turn!

The point of the loose entry with the road race bikes is interesting, in that many don't do much, if anything, with rear brakes. On an opposite note, my go-kart racing experience at Nola Motorsports park two weeks ago showed that only having rear brakes can definitely loosen up the corner entry experience. The look, upon corner entry, is quite similar between the two vehicles.

In one case, we have pretty much no weight on the rear end (bike), and in the other, we have nearly all the weight on the rear (kart), and in both cases, we have sliding rear wheels (and stuck fronts). Freakin' gravity . . .





You don't brake a go-kart in to a corner -- you downshift and accelerate!

[FETorino]

You don't brake a go-kart in to a corner -- you downshift and accelerate!

That right there is a lot of tech.

[FETorino]

Maybe these will help

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/CDC04B4D-09A3-4A74-96E5-E71B891932A6_zps7rvgshvk.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/CDC04B4D-09A3-4A74-96E5-E71B891932A6_zps7rvgshvk.jpg.html)

:headscratch:

[SSLance]

I'm certain they will!!

[Flash68]

They certainly should diminish the excuses list... :peepwall:

Hi Robert

[FETorino]

They certainly should diminish the excuses list... :peepwall:

Hi Robert

:action-smiley-027: Well I guess you are right. It will either prove the car sucked, or I did, so I guess I should be nervous. :relax:

[FETorino]

Out with the old bar and in with the new bar.

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/64E66935-20F1-4DAC-AC10-D6D965F5B28F_zpsu1ouudif.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/64E66935-20F1-4DAC-AC10-D6D965F5B28F_zpsu1ouudif.jpg.html)

Out back I swapped in a 1.88 wall thickness 7/8th bar for the old 1.20 bar.

The car will definately be running flatter in the corners.

[Flash68]

Out back I swapped in a 1.88 wall thickness 7/8th bathroom for the old 1.20 bar.



Hmmmm.... :sieg:

:lol:

[Ron Sutton]

Out with the old bar and in with the new bar.

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/64E66935-20F1-4DAC-AC10-D6D965F5B28F_zpsu1ouudif.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/64E66935-20F1-4DAC-AC10-D6D965F5B28F_zpsu1ouudif.jpg.html)

Out back I swapped in a 1.88 wall thickness 7/8th bathroom for the old 1.20 bar.

The car will definately be running flatter in the corners.

Holy crap I didn't realize your existing front sway bar was the same size as your gas line. Man that's small.

Real bar going on next. :lol:

[DBasher]

Out back I swapped in a 1.88 wall thickness 7/8th bathroom for the old 1.20 bar.

The car will definately be running flatter in the corners.

You lost me at bathroom....:action-smiley-027:

[FETorino]

Holy crap I didn't realize your existing front sway bar was the same size as your gas line. Man that's small.

Real bar going on next. :lol:

A guy who really knows his way around suspension tuning said the car had way too much body roll and was overloading the outside front tire.

I guess he may have been right. :twak:

[FETorino]

You lost me at bathroom....:action-smiley-027:

:headscratch: hmmm

Can't explain that. :headscratch: :waveflag:

[SSLance]

This car is going to be SO much easier to drive and faster now!!!

[FETorino]

This car is going to be SO much easier to drive and faster now!!!


I hope so. It's a drastic change in total roll stiffness between the old springs and bars and the new ones. Plus I would imagine an even more drastic delta in shock dampening between the Sutton valved Ridetechs and my parts store Bilstien/Koni combo.

[DBasher]

Well...:popcorn2:


Is the next outing Sonoma (I'll be there) and T-hill?

[GregWeld]

Well...:popcorn2:


Is the next outing Sonoma (I'll be there) and T-hill?



I'll respond ---- YES


Sonoma Shelby Mini-Nats - August 5th / 6th ---- Seems there will also be "the surprise sneaky ringer" running on Saturday with us as well...

Then Rob and I are running with NASA @ Thunderhill the following weekend - August 12th / 13th

[DBasher]

Seems there will also be "the surprise sneaky ringer" running on Saturday with us as well...

Big wing, tow hook and all the right stickers....hes good to go!
:goggles:

[Spiffav8]

Big wing, tow hook and all the right stickers....hes good to go!
:goggles:

:lol:

[DBasher]

Because Rob is out of town "working" I'll update for him.
They've arrived and will probably be installed in the next 8 or 9 days.

And the stinky finger, aka, sneaky ringer has yet to give any details on what may or may not be a wicked track car.....
:buttkick: :flag2:

[DBasher]

Fox FTW

:peepwall:

[Flash68]

---- Seems there will also be "the surprise sneaky ringer" running on Saturday with us as well...



I voted for the Fox body.

I wish it was a Fox body those have way more style.:(



Fox FTW

There's no place for fast cars on this thread, Bash. :hitaxeonthehead:

See you in 10 days. :cheers: :thumbsup:

[FETorino]

There's no place for fast cars on this thread, Bash. :hitaxeonthehead:

See you in 10 days. :cheers: :thumbsup:

The best thing to do when you are intimidated by the slow car is bring a car with 200+ more hp. :poke:

[DBasher]

Done yet? :theresa: :flag2:

[FETorino]

Done yet? :theresa: :flag2:

Barely

The weekend started pretty dam rough rolling into Sonoma at 1am Sat morning.

Saturday afternoon I finally got on track and both sessions were black flagged so I got a whopping 6 laps in all Sat day.

Sunday started like this.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/E1845BFC-F226-4BA3-8B95-E774EC7C0835_zpswbpuxt8y.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/E1845BFC-F226-4BA3-8B95-E774EC7C0835_zpswbpuxt8y.jpg.html)

And ended like this

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/06FDCC8C-AEE9-4998-B77B-04D2C9901DD9_zpsydwzuwt3.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/06FDCC8C-AEE9-4998-B77B-04D2C9901DD9_zpsydwzuwt3.jpg.html)

Thanks to Ron Sutton for specing the Parts and Ron and Randy for dialing in my setup trackside. :thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Wait --- pictures are deceiving! And can be photo chopped.... and people can spin in turn 7 and with a full spin -- and a NASCAR winners circle 1st gear full on smoke show.... that was all the further I was behind. :disgusted: :D

[GregWeld]

Wait --- pictures are deceiving! And can be photo chopped.... and people can spin in turn 7 and with a full spin -- and a NASCAR winners circle 1st gear full on smoke show.... that was all the further I was behind. :disgusted: :D



Or was that the time I destroyed both front tars on corner entry. Actually - I never entered the corner... I approached the corner at mach IV.... picked two gears and got hard in 'em - and there was nuttin but smokey tars being turned into landfill liners.

Seems when I complained about rear end early lockup / wheel hop -- due to changing out the Wilwood recalled 7/8ths master for a new 1" master - which required a more aggressive brake pad switch as well.... the bias got biased a little too much and I went from wheel hopping OH CRAP to NEAR ZERO REAR BRAKES when I needed 18 wheel braking.... oh yeah that went south real fast. A simple set of new tars in the front and a re-biasing of the biased bias.... and it was all mo betta. I've seen death... it don't scare me now!

[DBasher]

Haha! What a great weekend! It went from Greg helping and giving pointers on Saturday to "F that orange pos, he aint gettin around me!" come Sunday. A lot of fun between two friends.

Thanks for putting me in the passenger seat on Sunday, that car...when it has fuel, gets around the track pretty dang good! :thumbsup:

It's too bad Dave never got on track.....

[GregWeld]

Haha! What a great weekend! It went from Greg helping and giving pointers on Saturday to "F that orange pos, he aint gettin around me!" come Sunday. A lot of fun between two friends.

Thanks for putting me in the passenger seat on Sunday, that car...when it has fuel, gets around the track pretty dang good! :thumbsup:

It's too bad Dave never got on track.....



I haven't had that much fun in a very long time -- we all had fun at my little May shindig at Thunderhill -- but this was different! This was all out war! OMG I drove so hard to keep him behind me -- and he drove so hard trying to "get me". What a hoot!

Personally --- I'm thrilled I had to work that hard!! AO went from a mediocre handler to a pretty dang good car.... it took a lot of work on Rob's part - and expense -- but it paid off in spades. Too bad it's not that easy to buy talent....

LOL

OMG we had fun! That's what this is all about.... without the fun part - none of us would do any of it.

[FETorino]

Haha! What a great weekend! It went from Greg helping and giving pointers on Saturday to "F that orange pos, he aint gettin around me!" come Sunday. A lot of fun between two friends.

Thanks for putting me in the passenger seat on Sunday, that car...when it has fuel, gets around the track pretty dang good! :thumbsup:

It's too bad Dave never got on track.....

Hey Dan don't bitch you didn't have to push. :lmao:

Thanks for helping salvage what was left of my back. I'm sorry I cut our last session short with my bonehead fuel calculations.

I'm stoked the ride was a good time.

I haven't had that much fun in a very long time -- we all had fun at my little May shindig at Thunderhill -- but this was different! This was all out war! OMG I drove so hard to keep him behind me -- and he drove so hard trying to "get me". What a hoot!

Personally --- I'm thrilled I had to work that hard!! AO went from a mediocre handler to a pretty dang good car.... it took a lot of work on Rob's part - and expense -- but it paid off in spades. Too bad it's not that easy to buy talent....

LOL

OMG we had fun! That's what this is all about.... without the fun part - none of us would do any of it.

Dude. Those TARS were toast. I can't count how many times I was reading your door plates. You were driving the S out of that car on those tars. Thanks for helping out with the tuning. I can't imagine having more fun on that track than our last session. I should have had Dan along for that drive.

I'm glad to see Dave picked himself up what looks to be a nice track rat. I am sure after he gets used to it he will add to the mix. His less weight, more tire, more hp more brake combo will make him hard to beat. It's pretty fun though having to work hard to keep up or pass; I kinda like it.

I will post some details on the list of mods tomorrow for anyone looking to build some low budget fun.

Next week can't come soon enough.

[SSLance]

Sunday started like this.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/E1845BFC-F226-4BA3-8B95-E774EC7C0835_zpswbpuxt8y.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/E1845BFC-F226-4BA3-8B95-E774EC7C0835_zpswbpuxt8y.jpg.html)

And ended like this

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/06FDCC8C-AEE9-4998-B77B-04D2C9901DD9_zpsydwzuwt3.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/06FDCC8C-AEE9-4998-B77B-04D2C9901DD9_zpsydwzuwt3.jpg.html)

Thanks to Ron Sutton for specing the Parts and Ron and Randy for dialing in my setup trackside. :thumbsup:

LOL... :D Dang I wish I had been there last weekend!!!

[Vegas69]

Well it's pretty apparent why the Mustang is getting sliced up.:peepwall:

[Ron in SoCal]

Glad you all had FUN! I'll try to make it out again next year :)

:cheers:

[Ron Sutton]

It was a fun weekend.

I would have liked to seen Rob & Greg run together at the end of the day, but Greg's tires were flat spotted.

I think Randy told me you both ran 1:55's, which was about a 4 second gain for the orange crate if memory serves me correctly.

:cheers:

[DBasher]

I'm glad to see Dave picked himself up what looks to be a nice track rat. I am sure after he gets used to it he will add to the mix. His less weight, more tire, more hp more brake combo will make him hard to beat. It's pretty fun though having to work hard to keep up or pass; I kinda like it.

I took a lot of pictures, apparently none of Dave's....I feel horrible. :D It is a wicked hot rod that seems to have all the right stuff, it's even the same color as his favorite flag. :mock:

Have fun at T-Hill, looking forward to see how this weeks changes work on the car.
:cheers:

[Flash68]

It was nice to see the hard work and money pay off for Rob. Wish I could've stayed Sunday and ran another day with ya'all.

I will get called up from the minors soon enough..... :stirthepot:

Basher sucks.

[DBasher]

It was nice to see the hard work and money pay off for Rob. Wish I could've stayed Sunday and ran another day with ya'all.

I will get called up from the minors soon enough..... :stirthepot:

Basher sucks.

I concur.

[GregWeld]

Well it's pretty apparent why the Mustang is getting sliced up.:peepwall:



Pictures are deceiving my friend --- that was the ONLY time he was in front of me....


And it's not getting sliced up -- we're starting from scratch -- building a 1970 Mustang that's getting widened 6"

[GregWeld]

Glad you all had FUN! I'll try to make it out again next year :)

:cheers:



Great! Don't bring a Corvette.

[Ron in SoCal]

Great! Don't bring a Corvette.

lol, it's a Mutt-stang event so you may have a point.

[FETorino]

It was a fun weekend.

I would have liked to seen Rob & Greg run together at the end of the day, but Greg's tires were flat spotted.

I think Randy told me you both ran 1:55's, which was about a 4 second gain for the orange crate if memory serves me correctly.

:cheers:



You are correct sir. Thanks for the stellar set up. We shall see how much the gear change helps next. What it really needs if for you to tune the driver up.

It was nice to see the hard work and money pay off for Rob. Wish I could've stayed Sunday and ran another day with ya'all.

I will get called up from the minors soon enough..... :stirthepot:

Basher sucks.

Next weekend sounds like a good opportunity.

Pictures are deceiving my friend --- that was the ONLY time he was in front of me....


And it's not getting sliced up -- we're starting from scratch -- building a 1970 Mustang that's getting widened 6"

It was the end of the session. All that matters is who is in front at the end. :stirthepot:

lol, it's a Mutt-stang event so you may have a point.

No C5s. :smiley_smack:

[Vegas69]

I seem to recall, "It's all about having a good time". Now he gets passed and is building a race car by a real crew chief. :lmao:

[FETorino]

I seem to recall, "It's all about having a good time". Now he gets passed and is building a race car by a real crew chief. :lmao:

When you are hounded by a 335 hp car you have no choice. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

His tires were toast so he was RobD of his hp advantage.

[fleetus macmullitz]

When you are hounded by a 335 hp car you have no choice. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

His tires were toast so he was robbed of his hp advantage.

Longshanks #FTW!

:P

[GregWeld]

When you are hounded by a 335 hp car you have no choice. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

His tires were toast so he was robbed of his hp advantage.



I see what you did there...... "Rob'd" ...... LOL

[FETorino]

Ready for this weekend. :bigun2:

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/D25C5466-5CF1-4219-B3AA-64FEB1B80047_zpssyco5vr5.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/D25C5466-5CF1-4219-B3AA-64FEB1B80047_zpssyco5vr5.jpg.html)

[Flash68]

Give her hell, girls! :theresa:

[FETorino]

Give her hell, girls! :theresa:

We did.

That dam yellow car is fast.:bigun2:

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/2657203D-3724-4B0D-A4C9-449A9B81F32C_zpswj6z9fl7.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/2657203D-3724-4B0D-A4C9-449A9B81F32C_zpswj6z9fl7.jpg.html)

[fleetus macmullitz]

We did.

That dam yellow car is fast.:bigun2:



At least you know its not the driver!

:P

[FETorino]

This car is going to be SO much easier to drive and faster now!!!

Lance's statement sums up the results of all the work on the car.

A new torque arm and subframe connectors.
New Ridetech struts and shocks with Rons valving.
All new spring rates.
New larger front and rear sway bars.
An adjustable panhard bar.
Taller ball joints.

Working with Ron on this has been a great experience. The positive difference in the car and the ability to tune the balance with a few minor adjustments is amazing.

There are a few issues, as there always are when you modify a car, but Ron is addressing those. Unfortunately those issues didn't really let me find out what the car is really capable of.

Hopefully next month I can get the car back on track with the suspension locked down and really find some speed. :flag2:

[GregWeld]

Give her hell, girls! :theresa:



We gave it all we had!


Funny --- at Sonoma we both lapped a GT2 Porsche that won Watkins Glen in it's class.... the car surely has to be way faster than either of our old crates... but this was a classic case of, the car was good - the driver sucked!

Rob's car is becoming good - and he's very good....

Bugs always show up when you're asking for maximum effort.... it's frustrating - but was good to see the car performing very well when the alignment held it's settings.

I'm finally asking Old Yeller for all she's got - might have to add some Caster or maybe some more camber... Sutton will think about what the right course of action will be there. Compared to the loose bungholio I suffered at Sonoma - the track bar adjustment paid off at Thunderhill..... amazes me to this day what a small amount of adjustment can do to the handling!! I see guys at the track - and know people too - that adjust about 10 things every outing. They'll never know what their car is doing or what adjustment worked, or didn't work. I'd prefer to make a driver adjustment and just work with whatever the car is doing - - and have "waved off" making any adjustments to the car for the last 3 years....

[FETorino]

I have some new stuff arriving to solve some of the issues from T-Hill

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/6B796DA1-A9B8-40D7-B6DF-885DA161A9A7_zpslwalubyt.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/6B796DA1-A9B8-40D7-B6DF-885DA161A9A7_zpslwalubyt.jpg.html)

And plans for something else to add some speed.

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/A991726B-5957-4CF4-8C38-4E8F39E38F86_zps0ypbbqwm.png (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/A991726B-5957-4CF4-8C38-4E8F39E38F86_zps0ypbbqwm.png.html)

[DBasher]

Let me know when and where, I'm almost ready for another road trip!

You know that front end will change the entire "tune". Stiffer springs in those boxes?
:thumbsup: :flag2:

[FETorino]

Let me know when and where, I'm almost ready for another road trip!

You know that front end will change the entire "tune". Stiffer springs in those boxes?
:thumbsup: :flag2:

There are a few punch list items to go through before I hit the track again in AOM.:drowninga:

Be ready in Nov for Sonoma and Laguna Seca. Bring a car. :buttkick:

You never know what's Next on the list. Just remember even a cheap track car wants to spend your $$:shakehead:

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/287088A4-F759-485D-8851-5282F3B619DA_zpsw0jtpn9s.png (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/287088A4-F759-485D-8851-5282F3B619DA_zpsw0jtpn9s.png.html)

[DBasher]

There are a few punch list items to go through before I hit the track again in AOM.:drowninga:

Be ready in Nov for Sonoma and Laguna Seca. Bring a car. :buttkick:

http://http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/287088A4-F759-485D-8851-5282F3B619DA_zpsw0jtpn9s.png (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/287088A4-F759-485D-8851-5282F3B619DA_zpsw0jtpn9s.png.html)

Both Sonoma and especially Laguna have walls that scare me, I've heard they jump right out at you:confused59:

Funny thing, when I looked at that wing earlier I thought the truss system was just a fancy display and not part of the mounting....:sieg:

[Panteracer]

Wing flex...
I had to put a plate inside the back of the car
Originally when you pulled it would flex the whole back section
of the body
Must be that Russian Steel they used..... the bottom is actually
bolted to a rear trans mount... tested to 170mph only so far

Bob

[DBasher]

That's wicked, Bob.
:flag2:

[Panteracer]

I really need to make it out
to run and hang out with everyone

Bob

[DBasher]

I’m thinking to be competitive in AI you made need to upgrade just about everything under the car....:peepwall:


Just sayin

[FETorino]

I’m thinking to be competitive in AI you made need to upgrade just about everything under the car....:peepwall:


Just sayin

:bur2: To be competitive I better learn to drive. :idea:

And you forgot about upgrading things on the car also.
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[DBasher]

That wang!
:bigun2: :flag2:

I’d say your driving is a lot better than most and only getting better. Come to think of it, maybe ya’ll should plan a winter DirtFish trip.
:drive:

[Flash68]

I’m thinking to be competitive in AI you made need to upgrade just about everything under the car....:peepwall:


Just sayin

Have you not been paying attention the last 3 years with this car? :lol:

[DBasher]

Have you not been paying attention the last 3 years with this car? :lol:

I thought those were just track days, you know, just out having a good time with friends...:sieg:

ps, you’re not helping :knokwood:

[FETorino]

I thought those were just track days, you know, just out having a good time with friends...:sieg:

ps, you’re not helping :knokwood:

Yea. What he said.

[FETorino]

I had a little setback that has kept me from getting back on track but I’m pretty sure that is behind me now. :drowninga:

So this week I unpacked another Aero upgrade to add to AO.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/551B6642-3832-4BA4-9B92-486AFAFD6A79_zpsbn3xajxm.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/551B6642-3832-4BA4-9B92-486AFAFD6A79_zpsbn3xajxm.jpg.html)

[GregWeld]

I'm going to have to substantially raise my game......

[FETorino]

I'm going to have to substantially raise my game......

Oh I think that new track warrior will more that take care of eliminating your persistant Orange mirror pest problems. :thumbsup:

[Flash68]

I'm going to have to substantially raise my game......

You should try opening your good eye perhaps

[FETorino]

I still have some healing to do so I can’t do much on my car yet but I did weight my old and new splitters.

Besides the aero advantage of the new larger and tunneled splitter it only weighs 16lbs compared to the 30.5 lbs that my old AL sheet and square tube home brew splitter checked in at.

Mounting the new splitter will add some weight but I should still save at least 10lbs. :relax:

[DBasher]

Maximum Effort
:ohsnap:
https://www.rockwestcomposites.com

[GregWeld]

You should try opening your good eye perhaps

You’re obviously confused since there’s nothing wrong with my eyes 👀

[Flash68]

You should try opening both eyes perhaps

You’re obviously confused since there’s nothing wrong with my eyes 👀

fixed

[FETorino]

fixed

Everybody has a good or dominant eye. I just flip flopped mine. My bad eye is now my good eye.

[Flash68]

Everybody has a good or dominant eye. I just flip flopped mine. My bad eye is now my good eye.

Now that's how you turn a frown upside down!

[rustomatic]

I had a little setback that has kept me from getting back on track but I’m pretty sure that is behind me now. :drowninga:

So this week I unpacked another Aero upgrade to add to AO.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/551B6642-3832-4BA4-9B92-486AFAFD6A79_zpsbn3xajxm.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/551B6642-3832-4BA4-9B92-486AFAFD6A79_zpsbn3xajxm.jpg.html)

Is that for the front or the back? With some of these fashion models these days, you just can't tell. Splitter? Diffuser? Both?

I did learn this last weekend: Don't be around when someone is about to install a splitter. It's not worth the drama, especially when beer has been banned from the environment.

[FETorino]

Is that for the front or the back? With some of these fashion models these days, you just can't tell. Splitter? Diffuser? Both?

I did learn this last weekend: Don't be around when someone is about to install a splitter. It's not worth the drama, especially when beer has been banned from the environment.

Paul. Don’t be coy. I know you made your way two posts down where I compared the before and after weights of the splitters.

Two pins at the back and two cable struts up front and it’s on. No drama but I alway keep a sport beverage or two with me, banned or not. :cheers:

[Flash68]

I did learn this last weekend: Don't be around when someone is about to install a splitter. It's not worth the drama, especially when beer has been banned from the environment.

That is hurtful, Paul.

And I did offer beers.... granted, it was at 11:30am. :cheers:

[DBasher]

And you forgot about upgrading things on the car also.
//http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/6E44B241-DEA5-44E5-99F4-3D1D2E16779A_zpsbaldjyam.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/6E44B241-DEA5-44E5-99F4-3D1D2E16779A_zpsbaldjyam.jpg.html)

Speaking of Paul being coy and Dave handling tools...whatever happened with this? It looks like a wing only smaller, do tell.

[GregWeld]

He built a cinder block shelf system and that's where he stores his shoes now. Very "racey"

[FETorino]

He built a cinder block shelf system and that's where he stores his shoes now. Very "racey"

Nope. I used recycled barn timbers to support the carbon and I store eye patches and bottles of dry eye fluid on the shelf.

[FETorino]

Speaking of Paul being coy and Dave handling tools...whatever happened with this? It looks like a wing only smaller, do tell.

It’s a 72” top mount wing from AJ Hartman, now RHR performance.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/0FBF4F56-922A-4717-9440-D1EBFCA9351E_zpswakln4lw.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/0FBF4F56-922A-4717-9440-D1EBFCA9351E_zpswakln4lw.jpg.html)

It should produce significantly more downforce with far less drag than the current wing.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/BF252214-6578-465A-96D3-E5F1CC996DCC_zps2ifixt9d.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/BF252214-6578-465A-96D3-E5F1CC996DCC_zps2ifixt9d.jpg.html)

It has some really noce build quality features suck as this gurney flap channel.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/42FB0386-8F15-44C8-A9B0-6E1F049C390F_zpskvursjjt.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/42FB0386-8F15-44C8-A9B0-6E1F049C390F_zpskvursjjt.jpg.html)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/60CE530D-3D24-4F78-90FE-15D3F20E32C4_zps2ddqk3aj.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/60CE530D-3D24-4F78-90FE-15D3F20E32C4_zps2ddqk3aj.jpg.html)

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/D313DA79-8597-4EC3-855D-B91DB0D77F6B_zpsxhn3968c.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/D313DA79-8597-4EC3-855D-B91DB0D77F6B_zpsxhn3968c.jpg.html)

[DBasher]

Very nice! Any numbers on expected downforce?

:thumbsup::flag2:

[FETorino]

Very nice! Any numbers on expected downforce?

:thumbsup::flag2:

Sure

Here are some figures from AJ of a bottom mount wing with small endplates on a Porsche 944. There are so many variables with aerodynamics that you really don’t know the downforce of a wing onbyour car unless there is testing of it on your exact vehicle.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/C5951D15-1009-4A1B-88CA-56E40C6B96E4_zpsoml5xtdn.png (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/C5951D15-1009-4A1B-88CA-56E40C6B96E4_zpsoml5xtdn.png.html)

The top mount lessens the drag associated with the wing amd also increases the amount of downforce but AJ has never posted specific charts of the gains.

Similarily the larger endplates also increase the downforce as represented by this chart. AJ and his bussiness partner Olaaf (the engineer) ran a bunch of CFD scenarios to optimize the sizing and shape.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/F63B51C1-A239-44B9-8B09-66EBB0FEC731_zpsjdsaw2ar.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/F63B51C1-A239-44B9-8B09-66EBB0FEC731_zpsjdsaw2ar.jpg.html)

I have a Gurney flap on mine and on T-Hill the first time out I was seeing about 125mph on the front straight and avg speeds of just under 80mph and minimum speeds of about 50mph. So look at 50-130mph or even more specifically 80-130mph with a girney flap for likely downforce numbers. But with the top mount and larger optimized endplates I’d say from what AJ had published another 15% is likely.

[Sieg]

:headscratch: Curious, by chance does Hartman make Torino rudders?


:peepwall:

[FETorino]

:headscratch: Curious, by chance does Hartman make Torino rudders?


:peepwall:

None in production but if you send him a template he’d probably make anything; even STI parts. :action-smiley-027:

[DBasher]

Get that wang on yet?
:flag2:

[jarhead]

well apparently there is a forum i hadn't even heard of, i think i've been a member for like 6 or 7 years...

race cars and fancy stuff with wings and rudders

:popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

well apparently there is a forum i hadn't even heard of, i think i've been a member for like 6 or 7 years...

race cars and fancy stuff with wings and rudders

:popcorn2:




Doooooood........ ya got to get out from under that tarp ya got down by the river..... What ya think me and the boys been doin' down here anyway!!! LOL

[FETorino]

well apparently there is a forum i hadn't even heard of, i think i've been a member for like 6 or 7 years...

race cars and fancy stuff with wings and rudders

:popcorn2:

Fancy stuff and rudders? That’s all on the threads you usually look at, or the ones that are locked.

Come on out and take a ride along ( done pay no mind to what Basher is about to say):action-smiley-027:

[DBasher]

Come on out and take a ride along ( done pay no mind to what Basher is about to say):action-smiley-027:

Rob has a lot of talent behind the wheel...😁

[GregWeld]

Rob has a lot of talent behind the wheel...😁



Oh I see what you did there...... Nicely played.

[FETorino]

Oh I see what you did there...... Nicely played.

Eye see most of what he did there.

[DBasher]

Congratulations on reuniting with an old friend, I bet it feels pretty good.
:cheers::popcorn2:

[FETorino]

Congratulations on reuniting with an old friend, I bet it feels pretty good.
:cheers::popcorn2:

Well I did turn a wrench on her this weekend so there is some progress. I've got a host of new parts to install and a little more work on my 👁 and I will make a track day before the end of this year.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/A008B1A7-890C-42C2-B741-894C1948A657_zpsnoag6zts.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/A008B1A7-890C-42C2-B741-894C1948A657_zpsnoag6zts.jpg.html)

[Flash68]

A little Mustang on Mustang crime would be nice to see before the end of this year.

[GregWeld]

A little Mustang on Mustang on Mustang crime would be nice to see before the end of this year.

Fixed it for ya!

[FETorino]

A little Mustang on Mustang crime would be nice to see before the end of this year.

I'm your huckleberry. :guns::cheers:

[FETorino]

Fixed it for ya!

Wouldn't that be Mustang on Mustang on LS crime?

Or

LS on LS on Mustang crime. :action-smiley-027:

[jarhead]

Wouldn't that be Mustang on Mustang on LS crime?

Or

LS on LS on Mustang crime. :action-smiley-027:


a three-way ? :excited:

:peepwall:

[FETorino]

Back at the start of this year my 85lb dog accidently punted me in the eye. I didn’t realize it until 3 weeks later when I started seeing floaters but he had torn my retina in 2 places. Next thing my retina was detached and I spent 6 weeks staring at the floor waiting for the surgery to heal and the gas bubble they put in my eyeball to hold the retina in place to be absorbed.

Since I was sitting around unable to drive or work on anything I spent some time thinking about what budget mods I could make that would help lower my lap times.

My dyno figures fell short of thier target last year when the motor only made 335hp at 6200 rpm. I had 15-20hp that I could gain amd still be class legal.
The heads, cams, injectors, throttlebody and headers all should support some more rpm. The motor just hit a wall and flat lined to past 7k. At the time the tuner, who has a lot of experience with mod motors mentioned maybe I should swap a stock intake onto the motor instead of the Fox Lake P51. The Fox intake has long narrow runners suited for producing toque in the small stock 4.6 motors. The other thing about the long runner all AL fox intake is it is heavy, close to 40lbs.
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/60286F93-EEDC-4C47-8CD9-81C17E66C6C2_zpshofpms2y.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/60286F93-EEDC-4C47-8CD9-81C17E66C6C2_zpshofpms2y.jpg.html)

I read a few articles on the Victor intake for the 2v mod motors. Most articles said the short high volume runner open plenum intake was a poor match for little street 4.6 mod motors. One article though actually had some dyno graphs and what it seemd to show was that even on a stock 4.6 the intake didn’t fall on its face down low.

Since my 2v is a 94mm bore boss block and I’m displacing 5.0 liters with some decent sized cams and ported heads the intake seemed worth a try. Plus the P51 does work well on mild 4.6 and they still fetch some decent $$ on fleabay.

So tonight off came the porky P51.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/22FFA7D2-41F4-4875-B598-5CB6F6EA0C35_zpsd4csxksm.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/22FFA7D2-41F4-4875-B598-5CB6F6EA0C35_zpsd4csxksm.jpg.html)

On went the Victor and an elbow made for running the Victor on a Mustang.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/634FB245-7BFE-4E8A-BA1C-72CE65A75A9E_zpsvzefhr5k.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/634FB245-7BFE-4E8A-BA1C-72CE65A75A9E_zpsvzefhr5k.jpg.html)

Even if it doesn’t make any more hp or spin any more rpm I just lost 24lbs off the nose of the car and gained the ability to make a shock tower brace that the P51 wouldn’t allow. I’m also pretty sure near the end of a track session the 40lbs of AL gets plenty of heat soak and the hot intake charge is taking away even more of the little hp I have.

I’m pretty sure I’ll gain 500+ usable rpm on the too end and some hp, how much IDK but any gain plus the weight loss will be a big win.

It will be interesting to see what it does on the dyno and more importanly on the track.

[GregWeld]

Two years go by and that's all ya got for us??

Oh! Wait! You forgot to bolt it all on..... So no biggie -- you've still got another couple months to get that part wrapped up.

[FETorino]

Two years go by and that's all ya got for us??

Oh! Wait! You forgot to bolt it all on..... So no biggie -- you've still got another couple months to get that part wrapped up.

Yep

I need to spend less time on road trips looking after my friends and more time on my own stuff.:buttkick:

[DBasher]

OOOOOOOHHHH, ZINGER!!

Thanks for doing that by the way.

[FETorino]

At less than 1/12th the cost of a Dirt Missle it won’t oil down a track.

[Flash68]

Wow that is a tech post worthy of Corner Carvers...

[RidiCat69]

Weight savings and power gains aside, that's just a cleaner looking setup! :thumbsup: Fingers crossed you're as please with it on the way back from the dyno!
Being able to put a strut tower brace on the car now that the intake isn't so big, is a big bonus too.

[FETorino]

Wow that is a tech post worthy of Corner Carvers...

My apologies. I'll keep it simpler for you next time.

[jarhead]

My apologies. I'll keep it simpler for you next time.

Oh man I am losing it!

Nice mods!

[FETorino]

Weight savings and power gains aside, that's just a cleaner looking setup! :thumbsup: Fingers crossed you're as please with it on the way back from the dyno!
Being able to put a strut tower brace on the car now that the intake isn't so big, is a big bonus too.

Ryan

I am pretty certain the dyno will net positive results but as you said it’s just way cleaner and easier to get to wiring, sensors and such.

I had forgotten a while back I had bought a MM shock brace off CL for $60. It seems now I don’t have to make anything just bolt this one on.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/superjinca/89491E88-2D1B-4534-86D9-AA5A8A278589_zpsxbn3wrvn.jpg (http://s291.photobucket.com/user/superjinca/media/89491E88-2D1B-4534-86D9-AA5A8A278589_zpsxbn3wrvn.jpg.html)

[DBasher]

Wow that is a tech post worthy of Corner Carvers...

Corner Carvers? Never heard of her...


It’s looking good, let me know when you girls plan a track day and I’ll come up with an excuse of why I won’t be there, lol.


BTW, I still think we need to rent the Miatas at THill

[DBasher]

Insert motivational words here......



See you in a few weeks. :hello:

[GregWeld]

Insert motivational words here......



See you in a few weeks. :hello:



If he’d get his eye fixed — he might see you in a few weeks...... LOL

[Flash68]

2019.... the Year of The Rob???????

BrwF82c05tc&

[DBasher]

2019.... the Year of The Rob???????

BrwF82c05tc&

The year of the Mustangs? I’m in.