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tyoneal
07-27-2006, 01:42 AM
To All:

Hello Everyone since the other thread got closed, I thought I would start up another one so any further discussions could take place.

I am still considering getting one for my build.

Has anyone heard anything further about it in the last couple of weeks?

Has anyone put a deposit down on one? If so, what was the single item that caused you to want to send in your deposit?

I look forward to hearing some of your thoughts.

Thanks,

tyoneal
Steve Chryssos
07-27-2006, 05:11 AM
By far, the most significant part of the design is the stamped crossmember. The complex shape allowed DSE to "wrap" the crossmember around the rack. It would take a ton of effort to duplicate that shape with basic fabrication on a production basis. As a result, DSE was able to locate the rack exactly where they wanted it to be without relocating the engine.

Come September, we'll all get to see that clip run against other clips at RTH2--which is what everyone keeps clamoring for, right? Direct comparison.
tyoneal
07-27-2006, 11:33 PM
Steve:
What is RTH2?

Thanks,

tyoneal
Bowtieracing
07-27-2006, 11:38 PM
Steve:
What is RTH2?

Thanks,

tyoneal

Magazine test???!!! :thumbsup:
Steve Chryssos
07-28-2006, 05:20 AM
It's a party! :willy: Run Thru The Hills 2. It's Performance driving event that includes a tour through the winding roads of the Great Smoky Mountains, an 1/8th mile dragstrip, and an autocross set up on a 3/8th mile figure eight track--real track surface, not a parking lot. Oh, and a bbq. Kyle, Stacy, and their blue 69 Camaro Test car will be participating as well as a slew of other well known cars. So we get to see that subframe in action.
ProTouring442
07-28-2006, 06:49 AM
It's a party! :willy: Run Thru The Hills 2. It's Performance driving event that includes a tour through the winding roads of the Great Smoky Mountains, an 1/8th mile dragstrip, and an autocross set up on a 3/8th mile figure eight track--real track surface, not a parking lot. Oh, and a bbq. Kyle, Stacy, and their blue 69 Camaro Test car will be participating as well as a slew of other well known cars. So we get to see that subframe in action.


That sounds COOL!!! Where? When? Who gets to go?

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
Datsbad
07-28-2006, 08:09 AM
Anyone can go you need to register, its in Pigeon Forge Tennesse.
I plan to push mine pretty hard to get some good comparisions, I wonder if Kyle knows we will be battling it out?

oh yeah the dates are september 15,16,17
Stuart Adams
07-28-2006, 08:56 AM
Watch out for Stacey, she can drive also!!

They are running SW's old motor, should be neat.
ProdigyCustoms
07-28-2006, 09:49 AM
We cannot wait. We will be there with Project Prodigy to see if 345/25/20 and 295/30/19 tires can work. Also will be there with the JustBringIt Camaro to defend last years crown as fastest in the straight line. We are not predicting victory quite yet, but I think it will take some bad bitches to beat either car.

So it is a real put up or shut up event.

JustBringIt!!!!
Datsbad
07-28-2006, 10:44 AM
Frank , Now I need to get a shovel out ..... its getting deep ! LOL !
rwhite692
07-28-2006, 11:12 AM
It's real nice, but in my case, I had been hoping that the DSE subframe was going to be built more like a WD/Martz/21stCSM type of (Box-tube) subframe, in that it would free up some much-needed space to the sides of the engine in the framerail areas...Aside from integrating the rack, it doesn't accomplish what I need, for a TT application where I have a lot of plumbing to deal with.

I can't rationalize that pricing, either.
Stuart Adams
07-28-2006, 01:13 PM
I can't rationalize the price either, I wish it was 10K.
clill
07-28-2006, 01:48 PM
For the life of me I can't figure out why you would want the price higher. What would that accomplish ?
Teetoe_Jones
07-28-2006, 01:54 PM
I can't rationalize the price either, I wish it was 10K.

Why in the hell do you wish that? The only reason I can think of would be if you had invested in the tooling, you could get a quicker return on your money.

Tyler
rwhite692
07-28-2006, 02:04 PM
I can't rationalize the price either, I wish it was 10K.

Stuart, please don't misunderstand, I was not trying to be a wiseguy...What I was merely saying is that, for my project, I can't rationalize the price of the DSE subframe. It does seem quite expensive, but, for some people, it may provide specific benefits that they, as builders/owners, feel are worth it, for their particular application(s).

Your comment is certainly "leading", so, I'll bite: Do you have a financial interest in DSE?

-Rob
Stuart Adams
07-28-2006, 02:58 PM
No financial intrest in DSE. Just me being a smart ass.
ProdigyCustoms
07-28-2006, 06:51 PM
Because if it was $10K Stuart would be the only person that could afford one, LOL!
awr68
07-28-2006, 07:22 PM
Because if it was $10K Stuart would be the only person that could afford one, LOL!

Well I could kiss the rest of my home equity good bye!! :yes:
Datsbad
07-28-2006, 08:33 PM
If we were only comparing DSE products here then this is what i think .

Take a stock subframe add the speed kit 3 and the labor factor into it . Basically that would be about a 5k subframe. Looking at it in that perspective makes me think why not go to the new subframe with much better geometry and the option of a larger tire for the $6700.(pending I think)

Seems as if it would be a better buy in that case.

Just an opinion !
Stuart Adams
07-28-2006, 10:31 PM
I do post some stupid stuff sometimes and some wisecracks. But in all seriousness there is ALOT of planning, thought and expense in this piece. The price is cheap compared to the investment it took to bring it to us.

Kyle could have come out with a sub frame along time ago, but as they say there is only one chance to make a first impression.

Also if I was a company other than DSE that sells subs I would be happy the price is at least where it is, it raises the price point a bit for other competitors, IMO.

Just cars, I laughed when it was assumed I had a financial intrest in DSE, with my wife and kids in my money clip, there is no chance of that, LOL.
Nutsy
07-30-2006, 08:32 PM
it doesn't accomplish what I need, for a TT application where I have a lot of plumbing to deal with.

Should i not consider DSE's clip if i want to run a TT LS2? Will it be a problem?
tyoneal
07-31-2006, 12:41 AM
How about some, "Group Purchase", action on these? :thumbsup:

tyoneal
Steve Chryssos
07-31-2006, 06:06 AM
Should i not consider DSE's clip if i want to run a TT LS2? Will it be a problem?

I don't see how this sub design impedes clearance? The biggest space problem is created by the OE steering box--not the frame rails. The frame rails have been narrowed to accomodate big tires, but with the steering box out of the way, there is probably still ample room for exhaust routing. Call and ask.
Ummgawa
07-31-2006, 12:00 PM
The frame is very close in General design to my modified (by BRP)sub frame, with the exception of the narrowed frame rails. Now I am not saying it is even in the same league looks wise, so nobody yell foul. The clearance issue, as Steve stated, is eliminated by the R&P. If I were not so deep in my sub frame, I'd pony up the bills for the frame. I am going to run a speedway splined sway bar up front rather than the rear mount.