art morrison and dse

[ssonic]

hi
i am new to the forum and to pro touring. i have been reading the forums religiously for a few weeks now. and have been researching as much as i can. my plans are for a 69 camaro that i don't have yet. but since i am replacing the frame anyways i wanted to start with a rolling chasis and get it configured as much as possible with out the body. is this wise to do or should i go ahead and get a stripped body(many plans for this to :unibrow: )?

ne ways im rambling. my real question is has ne one used this set up? art morrison max g frame and dse 4 lnk out back with full dse front set up? and more importantly are they compatible? how well do you think it will preform? im all about function and price isn't a huge factor

thanks in advance
ssonic

[hiwayman]

hey there i run a max-g under 69camaro i would say one or the other installation of frame piece of cake fabrication of floor/tubs hmmm painfull be carefull one of the mention products come with no instructions il include a sample

[ssonic]

not really the response i was looking for. :( all i hear about on these forums is quadra link. why does the max g get no love? also excuse my ignorance but why one or the other?

edit: i didnt see your picture 1st time around. your car is amazing. it has a perfect stance! :wow: does it preform as well as it looks?
seeing your car almost sells me 100 % on the max g. again amazing car. :hail:
is it just a standard max g or are there special spec for yours?

[hiwayman]

hey i meant i think you have to instrall the complete max-g or the dse stuff not compatible with each other i only no the max stuff ride height was my main factor hope this is a bit clearer

[ssonic]

i think i have a new crush. your car is amazing. i went to your threadds and found more pics and all i can say is :willy: i am just a little skeptical just because i don't hear about art morrison even half as much as DSE or lateral dynamics on pt.com is there a performance advantage to iether or is DSE just the bandwagon so to speak. also if you dont mind me asking how much did the frame run you and what is you wheel and tire combo.

[hiwayman]

hey ssonics yea man no probs on the price i paid 12kUS included was the diff,rear brakes,front susspension,custom front track width,i wont comment on the dse stuff because i just dont no feel free to ask more questions

[ssonic]

thats pretty steep but i didn't realize it came with so much i thought it was just the frame and rearend. i only wish i was more knowledgable. the DSE package seems so much more affordable. i thought they would work together but finding this out really screws my plans. i think i might have to bite the bullet and call am. i cant wait for this project to be complete and it hasnt even began. :lol: i cant get enough of this pro touring stuff. i have been staying up till 3 every morning for the past i dont even know how long trying to find out as much as i can so i wont have to ask so many questions. thanks again for you help

[hiwayman]

hey man hope iwas some help any option will burn up cash and fast,as i mentioned ride hieght was my objective i dont think the dse stuff will get your car as low mine runs 1220mm to the roof also my wheel combo 19/12 tyres345/30/19 fronts 19/10 with265/30/19 roh modena

[ssonic]

u were a huge help this has been bothering me for a few days. did you need ne body mods for this and is there ne rubbing. also is the car running? if so how does it ride and preform

[hiwayman]

huge mods the entire floor was removed the car not running took 2days to install yea man will not run have clearence issuse

[71Nova]

You really need to run one or the other. Camaro's do not normaly have a full frame under them. They have a sub frame that is like a short frame only under the front. DSE makes an entire sub frame replacement with their suspension. The quadra link and the Lateral dynamics rear suspension is made to work with the stock body with no frame under the back. only kind of thin frame rails built into the body. The dse and lateral dynamics systems work great. The max g chassis as a whole is kind of like the next step up. With the max g you can get vette front susp with a triangulated rear 4 link and have basicly no flex because you are adding a full, very rigid frame. I like the lateral dynamics rear a little better myself, but the triangulated rear is realy good as well. The max g chassis requires a lot more work. I hope you know how to weld.Let me say that again the max g chassis requires alot more work and time. You basicly cut the floor out and weld the chassis to the body. Welcome to the site. Feel free to ask as many questions as you want. That is what this site if for.
David

[hiwayman]

71nova the max requires more work?i would say the dse quad link would require a lot of work who knows maybe someone could chime in?maybe frank from prodgy could answer

[ssonic]

im like a kid that wants two candys but can only get one. that stance is amazing but it seems like a alot of work and money :_paranoid i am swaying towards an apossing side each time i open a thread this is so frustrating but exiting at the same time

[71Nova]

HiwayMan You are the expert on the Max g chassis since you have one in your beautiful Camaro. I have seen lots of quadra links installed and they honestly don't look that hard to install. I would tackle it. I PERSONALY think it would be a whole lot easier than installing a max g chassis under my car. Maybe its easier than it seems, like I said you know more about the max g chassis than I do. I do know the sub frame swaps are easy. The only thing you really need to fabricate is your steering shaft. Other than that they for the most part bolt on. I do not know Ssonics level of building skill and I don't think the max g chassis is for a begining builder.

David

[hiwayman]

hey david i think i just confused myself kind of like when you have done something it seems a lot easyer than it was?so im going to retract my statements,also deffinatly no expert hope i didnt confuse anyone thanks hiwayman

[68protouring454]

the dse,lateral dynamics or any other rear susp can be done in way shorter time then completely building floor pans,wheel tubs etc, for the max g
thats pretty easy to figure out,
jake

[ssonic]

you know i really think the max g is out of my range for this project but will definetly try it on the next one. now i am having a hard time deciding whichrear package to get. quadra link or three link. :( i have read about both quite a bit but i guess i need to learn a little more. i just can't tell whish is truley better for me because most post are opinions and no offence but it seems like no matter what someone gets it turns out to be the "best"

[J2SpeedandCustom]

you know i really think the max g is out of my range for this project but will definetly try it on the next one. now i am having a hard time deciding whichrear package to get. quadra link or three link. :( i have read about both quite a bit but i guess i need to learn a little more. i just can't tell whish is truley better for me because most post are opinions and no offence but it seems like no matter what someone gets it turns out to be the "best"

Sonic you have to build the car for you and no one else. figure out what you want the car to do - pt, race, street, show, etc. Only when you starting talking performance and pushing the limits will you find the differences in the suspensions. We have DSE front and rear on our 69 and it rides awesome. I also had stock suspension on my 68 and it road awesome too. But I could never get the ride height with the stock components. Our goal was stance and ride. There are alot of knowledgable people on this board I hope we can help you out.

[awr68]

It's pretty simple and if you are like me at all, the check book balance will facter in as well.

DSE Q-Link = Great for the street, more adjustments than stock, great stance, and perfect for a day at the track, at a good price and a excelent company!

Lateral's 3-Link = Another great company, the suspension is basically the next step and designed as the ultimate suspension package that will fit into a first gen camaro, but the stock back seat won't work and the price is a bit more than the DSE kit.

So the real question is what is you honest plans and or goals for the car and how much are you willing to spend? Also, are you planning on using full interior? If so, I beleive with the 3-link you can retro fit 4th gen rear seats.

[Mean 69]

Just a small clarification on our (Lateral Dynamics) 3-Link setup, if it is relevent.

Yes, the stock rear seat will need to be modified, just as it will be if the consumer would mini-tub the car, which frankly is the type of customer we are targeting in general. If you are looking at gaining true performance out of your car, you'll no doubt be adding a lot of power, and will need to put that power to the ground, bigger rear tires are good in this regard, and a great rear suspension system is also key to getting you where you need to be. If you tub the car, your rear seat won't fit anymore, and will need to be modified. If you are willing to cut the car to tub the car, then there's little reason that you wouldn't want to further trim to install a superior suspension system, it's not much more than you've done already.

The cost of our system includes a brand new, completely welded, extremely strong and very sexy rear end housing by default. You don't need to source fabrication out to someone else, nor do you need to worry about hurting parts if you make a mistake.

I'd encourage anyone to look at our website, we're sponsors on this site, just look for the Lateral Dynamics logo and you'll get far more info than I can type here. In addition, we have quite a few more irons in the fire and will be intorducing many more exciting performance handling solutions in the near future, including front end components.

Whatever you decide, have a great time with your project!
Mark

[907rs]

Don't mean to jack your thread ssonic. :)

Mark, do you happen to have any pics of a completed 1st gen with the modified rear seat? That has been a MAJOR factor in choosing a rear suspension package for me.

[Mean 69]

I don't, in fact being a young company with the type of product we sell currently puts us at a big disadvantage. The projects we are supporting are all pretty serious builds, frame off, serious motor, etc. By default, these cars take a long time to complete, and as we have only been to market for a few months, few have been completed. In addition, we don't have the pockets of cash like the bigger suppliers to throw at cars, yet anyway.

I have attached a picture of a rear seat on a nice first gen that I took at SEMA, this car DOES NOT have an LD 3-Link, but the rear console is exactly the approach that would work to cover the tunnel cover necessary for our kit. In fact, I took the pic' because it was so obvious that this is the easiest and cleanest way to go.

I am curious, by the way, what people are doing for the rear seat on the DSE kit, those boxes seem to me to make things a bit taxing on any seat bottom padding, but it's too hard to tell for certain.

Mark

[ssonic]

my whole plans for the car are really all over the place. i want it to show well but preform even better. it will have custom mike lavallee tru flames in blue(cobalt body with oriental and true blue flames) but will never see a trailor. but to be honest with my self i probably wont be seeing the track but a few times a month. the fact that the seats will need to be modified will not be a factor at all since i plan to do custom buckets to match the front and a custom fiblerglass center console from dash to package tray. i am leaning more dowards the three link just because i am able to find a lot of info about it on the site and it looks like a proising product. and the fact that they are working on a front end kit makes me happy to.

[awr68]

I am curious, by the way, what people are doing for the rear seat on the DSE kit, those boxes seem to me to make things a bit taxing on any seat bottom padding, but it's too hard to tell for certain.

Mark

First let me thank you for clearing up that a stock back seat will fit with some mods...I thought I read that if you wanted a rear seat at all it would have to be a fourth gen rear seat...it's good to hear that you can still use a stock frame...the only thing I don't care for is the need for a center console...I'm not big on them.

Ok, I have a 4-bar in my car and use load boxes at the floor that I patterned after the Mule's, so they are basically the same as DSE's and I have no problems clearing the seat bottom with plenty of room for seat travel.