Project - Mile High Camaro

[D-$]

Named @milehighcamaro #milehighcamaro for two reasons. One is we are big time Denver Bronco fans and the bills for the car are both @ Mile High.

This project was really inspired by two very well done cars. One is the OverClock camaro and the other is a green one I found in SuperChevy picture attached.

1969 Convertible Camaro:
Speedtech Extreme
934hp LS3
T-56 Mag (RPM)
Boze Splitter Concave 18x10 5x4.75 bc rear spacing 7.00
Boze Splitter Concave 19x12 5x4.75 bc rear spacing 5.50
Tires: Michellin Pilot SS
18x10 front 275/35/18
19x12 rear 325/30/19
Custom Rear End (Watts Linkage)
raingear hidden wiper kit
seats
marquez design interior
Entropy radiator w/dual fans, support 900hp super charger ports
Borla Pro XS with Cut Outs
Speedtech headers
AA WireHarness
E-Stopp Push Button
DSE Tubs
electronic Ignition
VaporWorx with dual 400 pumps
Ringbrothers hood hinges
Vin Air Gen IV
Gen IV Black 3 button
bear brakes 6p
Hydraulic Kit (Custom)
McLeod TXT Clutch Master and Slave Kit
Gauges
Holly 554-114
Holly main 558-103
Holly main power 558-308
Holly 558-201
Holly 558-406
Holly boost control 557-200
Holly boost control 557-200
2-Bar map sensor to 15 PSI
Holley EFI Air Temp Sensor
Holley EFI Collant Temp Sensor
Holley Presure Senor, 0-100 PSI, Oil and Fuel presure
Holley Presure Senor, 0-100 PSI, Oil and Fuel presure
Holly Boosh 554-100
Engine Tuning
Ididit Steering Column
Flaming River Steering Wheel
Door Poppers (There wont be door handles)
Electric life window kit, front and rear w/BMW style switches
RM-8020 SFI Bellhousing
Bear Master Cylinder

[D-$]

The car looked clean on the outside but as many of you know once we looked at the car it was another story. The trunk was all rusted but I couldn't tell because someone had welded a new trunk over the rusted one. I really thought I had looked it all over :(

[Spiffav8]

None of them are perfect. Don't beat yourself up over it.

That green vert looks like Marks build. I think it was called ENVY. I'll have to see if I can find the build thread.

Looks like a great build sheet.

:captain:

[D-$]

Thank you and I think your right ENVY sounds correct.

[D-$]

Trunk pics onsite.

[D-$]

So needless to say we needed a new trunk. But we also found issues in several other places once we media blasted it. As a normal car lover and not someone in the business its crazy to how a car can look pretty decent with paint and body filler. But when you media blast it you see the floor, doors, trunk, area where the top goes down are just awful. So here are a few pics of some of the work.

[D-$]

So we need to do a full floor on the car but while its opened up we can work on tucking tires and fitting engine, and brakes on my new speedtech extreme sub-frame.

[D-$]

Engine dyno'd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g21VvrJ1LTA

[waynieZ]

Holy Cow those are some nice numbers! I love the project.

[colorado80439]

Holy Cow those are some nice numbers! I love the project.

Yes this will be one to watch.

[F'in mine]

It sucks to find out what hidden mess lies beneath.........but putting all those parts on surely puts a smile on your face, nice getting back in the saddle again. Looking good!

[Bonebuster29]

that is a lot of HP for a convertible street car!!! Going to be fun :)

[D-$]

Thank you all for the kind words. I am excited now that we are past the bad stuff. More pics to come.

[DKz Garage]

This is going to be sweet! A little rust never hurt anyone :) Looks like you have it under control.....

[D-$]

Well my builder Mr Detailed is doing a great job for me.

[Zoomin]

We've certainly seen far worse cases of rot - looks like you're off to a great start.

[Bozeforged]

Looking good Derron! Thanks for choosing Boze Wheels!

[D-$]

Thank you Zak, and I can't wait to post some pics :)

Looking good Derron! Thanks for choosing Boze Wheels!

[Flash68]

That engine / subframe combo looks outstanding.

[D-$]

WOW!

Thank you very much.

That engine / subframe combo looks outstanding.

[D-$]

So these are the pictures I have to focus on until I return from SEMA.

[Bozeforged]

So these are the pictures I have to focus on until I return from SEMA.

Here's a sneak peak Derron...

[D-$]

Nice, now that is the kind of support I love. Thank you 👍

[waynieZ]

Sweet!

[D-$]

Boze rims have arrived :) I am very happy with them and with Zak @bozeforged.

[Zoomin]

Surely there's a 24 hr tire shop so you can get those bad boys mounted up! :flashie:

[Centerforce]

Those wheels are beautiful!! We have to see them on the car. :drool:

[WSSix]

Shiny! Good luck with the build.

[waynieZ]

Beautiful set of wheels! They'll look nice on there.

[D-$]

Well UPS lost my fourth wheel so mounting them will hopefully come soon. Thank you for all the kind words on the rims. I couldn't be happier unless they were 100% free :)

[tubbed69]

Very nice wheels,Zak is great to deal with,I have a 3rd set of Boze wheels being built right now.

[Bozeforged]

Boze rims have arrived :) I am very happy with them and with Zak @bozeforged.

Thanks Derron! I'm glad you're happy with them.

Very nice wheels,Zak is great to deal with,I have a 3rd set of Boze wheels being built right now.

Thanks Jeff!

[Frankenstine]

Sweeet wheels , are they Polished or chrome plated :headscratch:

[Bozeforged]

Sweeet wheels , are they Polished or chrome plated :headscratch:

That's a Boze High Polish!

[D-$]

So lets vote does it fit? One of our recent concerns was will the SC fit under the traditional cowl hood.

[D-$]

More pics.

[Zoomin]

Ooo that's close. How about your intake pipe?

[D-$]

Well I don't have pictures of it after the hood was cut but yes it was getting us nervous.

[waynieZ]

I'd like to see pictures of it done if you have any you can post later. My LSA is hitting on the heat exchanger hose connection.

[D-$]

I'd like to see pictures of it done if you have any you can post later. My LSA is hitting on the heat exchanger hose connection.

Are you using speedtech as well? I sure will grab a picture for you.

[frankv11]

very nice build. keep it up

[Josh@Ridetech]

Very nice. More pictures please! :D

[D-$]

very nice build. keep it up

Thank you.

[D-$]

Very nice. More pictures please! :D

Thank you, and I am trying it takes much longer than I want. :)

[D-$]

Just for Josh :)

More pictures of where we are.

[D-$]

Working on front innner wheel houses. We need to stretch the opening a bit and modify the rear section to clear the bigger tire size.

[DT69Cam]

Very nice!! AMD hood ??

[Fastlife831]

Take pictures of the modification of the inner fenders...!

[Josh@Ridetech]

Thanks! lol

I can't wait to see it go together. It's going to be alot of fun with that LSA.

[Bozeforged]

Looking good Derron!

[D-$]

So its been awhile :( To say that projects like this take time is like saying Obama Care was slightly expensive. But here goes.

[D-$]

More fitting.

[Boss 5.0]

Great looking project!!

[D-$]

Great looking project!!

Thank you very much

[Spiffav8]

Yeah they take a few, but you're doing it right and it's looking REALLY good!! Going to be an epic car when it's finished.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Centerforce]

It's coming along well! Hopefully the final ride height will be close to how it's sitting now-it looks perfect!

[D-$]

A few more pictures

[D-$]

Links

[DWCamaro69]

Love the wheels. Project looks great. Enjoy seeing the progress!

[D-$]

Love the wheels. Project looks great. Enjoy seeing the progress!

Thank you very much. It just takes a long time :(

[214Chevy]

It just takes a long time :(

Tell me about it... :faint: :faint:

[syborg tt]

I love everything about the build and the car and really looking forward to the build.

However, I would like to add what I have learned on the last four builds.

What makes you want to get in your car and drive it are things we all take for granted when we build a hot rod as we are so used to new cars. Heck, I have driven $5,000 cars that I would feel more comfortable jumping in and driving cross country then cars I have built and owned in the past. We tend to overbuild (syborg) our hot rods which take away the #1 thing we need in our hot rods "Reliability". So when I started the 70 in my garage I wanted to make sure I didn't over complicate the build to the point where the car would be a pain in the butt to drive.

Rule's to consider

Does the car start, run (reliabily), ride comfortably, have good interior sound quality and stop like a new car and the thing we all seem to forget about how easy is the car to service. In other words don't hide stuff as when you need to get to it you might not like your fabricator as much.

If even one of these points are missed then you most likely won't want to drive the car.

That being said I see you have manual brake and that's great however they get old quick and in traffic they suck. You have plenty of room on your firewall so my suggestion is to buy the DSE brake booster and install it and I promise you that you will be happy the first day you have to panic stop. I can honestly say the DSE Booster and the kore3 brakes on my car are simply amazing and they stop like any modern car. Well maybe not the Cayman.

Second thing you should reconsider in the removal of the door handles. Trust me it really sucks to have to charge a battery so you can open a door. More importantly if you are ever in an accident you want to make darn sure EMS can get to you quickly. Leave the door handles and buy any one of the wicket handles that are out there for the 1st Gen Camaro and when your out with your wife or girlfriend you will still be able to open the door like a gentleman for her.

[D-$]

I can honestly say that your genuine criticism and gentle approach couldn't have been done better. Its not easy to take a build like this a which is a obviously my dream car and suggest against certain things.

With that said let me ask you this. It has been communicated to me that with the size of my brakes and the weight of my car that power brakes can be problematic and too much brake. What are your thoughts there?

The door handle thing is a tough one. I know it will suck to get the doors open if the battery dies, or in an emergency. But I just don't like any of the flush mount or fancy cool door handles made compared to none. I am also having a hard time with side mirrors. I need them and want them large enough to be useful but look nice.

I love everything about the build and the car and really looking forward to the build.

However, I would like to add what I have learned on the last four builds.

What makes you want to get in your car and drive it are things we all take for granted when we build a hot rod as we are so used to new cars. Heck, I have driven $5,000 cars that I would feel more comfortable jumping in and driving cross country then cars I have built and owned in the past. We tend to overbuild (syborg) our hot rods which take away the #1 thing we need in our hot rods "Reliability". So when I started the 70 in my garage I wanted to make sure I didn't over complicate the build to the point where the car would be a pain in the butt to drive.

Rule's to consider

Does the car start, run (reliabily), ride comfortably, have good interior sound quality and stop like a new car and the thing we all seem to forget about how easy is the car to service. In other words don't hide stuff as when you need to get to it you might not like your fabricator as much.

If even one of these points are missed then you most likely won't want to drive the car.

That being said I see you have manual brake and that's great however they get old quick and in traffic they suck. You have plenty of room on your firewall so my suggestion is to buy the DSE brake booster and install it and I promise you that you will be happy the first day you have to panic stop. I can honestly say the DSE Booster and the kore3 brakes on my car are simply amazing and they stop like any modern car. Well maybe not the Cayman.

Second thing you should reconsider in the removal of the door handles. Trust me it really sucks to have to charge a battery so you can open a door. More importantly if you are ever in an accident you want to make darn sure EMS can get to you quickly. Leave the door handles and buy any one of the wicket handles that are out there for the 1st Gen Camaro and when your out with your wife or girlfriend you will still be able to open the door like a gentleman for her.

[fleetus macmullitz]

^^^^^^^^^
Good stuff Marty. :thumbsup:

[morris69]

Syborg TT.

Everything you said was true. I'm on my second build coincidentally it's a 1969 camaro vert (lol). But reliability is my primary fuction now after building my first one. I want to be fancy and have exotic parts but then again it sometimes becomes a pain. Not to get in it to much. But your right 100%.

[morris69]

Syborg TT.

Everything you said was true. I'm on my second build coincidentally it's a 1969 camaro vert (lol). But reliability is my primary fuction now after building my first one. I want to be fancy and have exotic parts but then again it sometimes becomes a pain. Not to get in it to much. But your right 100%.

[Musclerodz]

I can honestly say that your genuine criticism and gentle approach couldn't have been done better. Its not easy to take a build like this a which is a obviously my dream car and suggest against certain things.

With that said let me ask you this. It has been communicated to me that with the size of my brakes and the weight of my car that power brakes can be problematic and too much brake. What are your thoughts there?

The door handle thing is a tough one. I know it will suck to get the doors open if the battery dies, or in an emergency. But I just don't like any of the flush mount or fancy cool door handles made compared to none. I am also having a hard time with side mirrors. I need them and want them large enough to be useful but look nice.

we are using ctsv door latches for that very reason. They have an emergengy cable if the battery ever dies. You can never have too much brake on the street. With the big tires you can easily feel when they are starting to lock up.

[WSSix]

Keep in mind also that your tires will greatly affect your braking performance. So if you run sticky tires, you can run stronger brakes and not worry about lockup. I'm running Kore3's C5/6 hybrid brakes on my TA with the factory booster. Love them! I will always be calling Tobin when I need brakes. You'll get used to the brakes just like you do with any car. You can also change out master cylinders to tailor the feel to your preference should that be necessary.

Keep at it. It's a long journey but worth it no matter what level of build.

[syborg tt]

I can honestly say that your genuine criticism and gentle approach couldn't have been done better. Its not easy to take a build like this a which is a obviously my dream car and suggest against certain things.


Thank you very much. I have learned a bunch during the last three builds and for some reason the 57 is kinda what I am going back to now. However, when we did Dad's 57 everything about the car was perfect except for the brakes. It took at least 4 attempts to get brakes that worked well (notice I said well not perfect as manual brakes suck). Did I mention that the entire brake-master set up is under the dash. Yep, that will never happen again as you have to pull the dash to get to the Master Cylinders. (Think about your hidden wiper kit... hidden means a pain in the ass later)


With that said let me ask you this. It has been communicated to me that with the size of my brakes and the weight of my car that power brakes can be problematic and too much brake. What are your thoughts there?


First question you need to ask yourself is what are you planing to do with the car. Are you just building a bad ass cruise night car that you will most likely drive around or are you building a car for autocross or track car. Once you determine that then you buy that brake kit for the car as there is no reason to buy the biggest baddest brakes as then you might have issue's fitting the rims.

Don't forget when the rotors and calipers get bigger so do your rims and your un-sprung weight. All of this effects how the chassis is set up and since your planning the speed-tech chassis all should be good and they can pretty much tell you what brakes work best for your build.


The door handle thing is a tough one. I know it will suck to get the doors open if the battery dies, or in an emergency. But I just don't like any of the flush mount or fancy cool door handles made compared to none. I am also having a hard time with side mirrors. I need them and want them large enough to be useful but look nice.

Mirrors - that is a tuff one I hope someone will chime in here. I kind like the idea of 2nd gen Camaro mirrors on 1st gens. Look at Steilows last build.


For the door handles or lack there of take a look at what the Dutch boys did on there 70 as it's a nice compromise and it looks pretty darn cool.


http://garagescene.net/_data/i/upload/2015/12/17/20151217103648-85605a69-me.jpg


we are using ctsv door latches for that very reason. They have an emergengy cable if the battery ever dies. You can never have too much brake on the street. With the big tires you can easily feel when they are starting to lock up.

Exactly, This is the perfect setup just costly to install in the car. Figure at least 20 to 30 in labor to get this set up correctly


http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/10/2015/09/2014-Cadillac-CTS-V-Coupe-profile-drivers-side.jpg

I also forgot to mention no door handles also mean's no door locks so if you use the inexpensive door pop set up and someone see where your cable is hidden it's pretty darn easy to steal the car.

[D-$]

Yes, At the moment I am planning on using 2nd gen mirrors as it seems to be the only thing that fits in my vision.

[syborg tt]

Talked to my buddy Tom and he is switching all his build to have the brake booster and master from a 5th gen camaro as it works perfectly with big brakes.

I can tell you first hand since I have the Giant Brembo's on my 5th gen and they stopping performance is incredible.

[D-$]

More Pics :)

[syborg tt]

Very nice and nice quality pics.

[D-$]

So, Here is some more pics of whats happening. Hoping to have it as a roller by SEMA. Then its off to SEMA for new ideas.

[frankv11]

I love everything about the build and the car and really looking forward to the build.

However, I would like to add what I have learned on the last four builds.

What makes you want to get in your car and drive it are things we all take for granted when we build a hot rod as we are so used to new cars. Heck, I have driven $5,000 cars that I would feel more comfortable jumping in and driving cross country then cars I have built and owned in the past. We tend to overbuild (syborg) our hot rods which take away the #1 thing we need in our hot rods "Reliability". So when I started the 70 in my garage I wanted to make sure I didn't over complicate the build to the point where the car would be a pain in the butt to drive.

Rule's to consider

Does the car start, run (reliabily), ride comfortably, have good interior sound quality and stop like a new car and the thing we all seem to forget about how easy is the car to service. In other words don't hide stuff as when you need to get to it you might not like your fabricator as much.

If even one of these points are missed then you most likely won't want to drive the car.

That being said I see you have manual brake and that's great however they get old quick and in traffic they suck. You have plenty of room on your firewall so my suggestion is to buy the DSE brake booster and install it and I promise you that you will be happy the first day you have to panic stop. I can honestly say the DSE Booster and the kore3 brakes on my car are simply amazing and they stop like any modern car. Well maybe not the Cayman.

Second thing you should reconsider in the removal of the door handles. Trust me it really sucks to have to charge a battery so you can open a door. More importantly if you are ever in an accident you want to make darn sure EMS can get to you quickly. Leave the door handles and buy any one of the wicket handles that are out there for the 1st Gen Camaro and when your out with your wife or girlfriend you will still be able to open the door like a gentleman for her.

Love the build , very well said Marty nothing like experience for advice 👍👍👍

[D-$]

More rear end work.

[syborg tt]

Car looks great and who is taking the pics ??

It looks like you have professional shooting for you.

[D-$]

Someone who is serious about their craft :) Thank you.

[syborg tt]

Someone who is serious about their craft :) Thank you.

Tell me about :thumbsup:

[Centerforce]

That suspension work is looking awesome! We'll have to come by and take a closer look at this bad boy during SEMA.

[D-$]

Seems like you spend your whole life working on how your rear end looks.

[D-$]

Watts going on here?

[gofastwclass]

Nice work.

How do you like the axle housing alignment tool? I have the same one but I haven't had a chance to use it yet. I set it up and it looks accurate and sturdy. I also think the measuring template looks like a huge time saver. What is your opinion so far?

[D-$]

First off thank you for your interest in my build. I am very proud of the project and am grateful when folks like you have kind words. I am the owner of the car not the builder so speaking about the tools is impossible for me because most of this is very new to me. There are a lot of times I have answers based on the build being my vision but the execution of the build is where I lack the ability to answer questions. I have been asked not to share the builders name so I can't defer to him.

Nice work.

How do you like the axle housing alignment tool? I have the same one but I haven't had a chance to use it yet. I set it up and it looks accurate and sturdy. I also think the measuring template looks like a huge time saver. What is your opinion so far?

[gofastwclass]

You are very welcome.

As a person who builds my own projects and helps friends with theirs, I have a great deal of interest in quality automotive fabrication work. I like what you are doing with the car and I like how the builder is taking time mocking things up and laying them out.

Whoever the Invisible Man is, you found a good guy or group of guys to build your dream. No worries, I respect the request for privacy from the builder. I actually found the tool through a guy I met on another forum and I'm excited to use it.

Thank you for sharing, I'll be looking for your future updates.

[D-$]

Thank you

[D-$]

Putting in work. #milehighcamaro

[Flash68]

Bad azz!

[D-$]

More items:

[syborg tt]

I am sorry to say I need more pictures !!!!

Incredible detail and execution on the build. Looking forward to more pictures.

ps on some of the forums they have like buttons. This one does not so I will just insert my own.

http://garagescene.net/upload/2016/05/23/20160523081328-c5992591.png

[waynieZ]

Hey I kept hitting that like button above, but I don't think it's working right! Beautiful work!

[D-$]

Merry Christmas Headers:

Nice quality incase your wondering.

[syborg tt]

Now that's a nice Christmas present

[slimjim]

Very nice indeed, did you order these from ultimate headers or from speedtech? UH don't seem to list them on their site.

[waynieZ]

I hope your Santa talked to my Santa cause these clothes gifts are getting old! lol Nice!!

[D-$]

I got them from speedtech

[D-$]

I am exhausted

[Flash68]

Looks killer!

[gofastwclass]

I am exhausted

Ba-Boom-Crash! :lol:



The exhaust work looks nice.

[D-$]

I hope your Santa talked to my Santa cause these clothes gifts are getting old! lol Nice!!

LOL, I am not sure how to reach your Santa but I will give it a shot.

[D-$]

Custom Cold Air:

So this project is going faster now. I hope to show you lots more in the coming months.

[D-$]

The B Billar work has begun.

The section under the support was completely rusted away. The lower section wasn't even welded. The only thing holding the inner section was the striker bolt and seam sealer. Scary stuff...

[D-$]

Test fitting.

[214Chevy]

I just went back thru this thread and had forgotten how awesome it is.

[D-$]

I just went back thru this thread and had forgotten how awesome it is.
Thank you very much. Its been awhile since I updated but more pictures are soon to come.

[D-$]

Squaring up rear end.

[D-$]

I am sure lots of the small or home builders share my feelings that once this is done it will all be old hat. So much work left to do... :(

[Build-It-Break-it]

Beautiful work being done. Are those frame rails Art Morrison or Auto weld? Love the progress on your car.

[D-$]

Some more angles and an idea of how much of a tuck we are looking to get.

[D-$]

Some more pictures for you all.

We are at the point where this is getting put together for the last time. Doesn't that sound nice?

[waynieZ]

Nice work.

[D-$]

Beautiful work being done. Are those frame rails Art Morrison or Auto weld? Love the progress on your car.

Auto Weld

[Rick2964]

Wow just looked through the whole thread! Great project!!!!

[D-$]

Wow just looked through the whole thread! Great project!!!!

Thank you.

[D-$]

Billet gauge cluster for Marquez Design dash.

I think its pretty :)

#milehighcamaro
#marquezdesign

[Sheck44]

2 words ... BAD A%!

Love this build
Cheers
Steve

[waynieZ]

Wow that looks sweet!

[D-$]

Thank you for all the wonderful feedback. Its not to be encouraged on such a long project. Its going very slow but coming together nicely.


#milehighcamaro

[waynieZ]

I know all about long projects first hand!

[D-$]

I know all about long projects first hand!

Your build looks very nice as well.

[D-$]

This is the start of final assembly before it goes under the car.
#milehighcamaro