RedZed Reloaded

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Well we all know Neo got better in the second Matrix- he was more agile, was faster, had more power and capability. Well Roger's RedZed isn't much different, like Neo it's also becoming more agile, faster, and will have much more capability.

RedZed has been an Icon amongst Speedtech fans for many years, and was a test car in the beginning for our then new Speedtech Pro Touring Subframe and Torque arm suspension systems. That transformation took it from a cookie cutter Camaro to the poster child of what a street and show Pro Touring cruiser should look like. Bright red paint, deep and wide 20" rear and 19" front billet wheels, supercharged big block, and a mean stance put it to the top of it's class.

Now with the release of Speedtech's new ExtReme products, RedZed was calling for a little bit of change of attitude and pace. Follow along as we unfold RedZed Reloaded...

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

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Here's what Roger has been cruising for the past several years. Although it drove fantastic and took home some show trophies it just wasn't the right combo for gettin' jiggy wit it at track days. Unfortunately the street tires on the big wheels just didn't grip with the massive torque of the blown big block 427. It also had one of our original subframes and torque arms and has missed out on some of the small upgrades in the name of better performance we've made over the years.

One lucky person got a great deal on the whole subframe, engine, and wheel & tire package as it got sent back to NYC to become part of a '69 Convertible Camaro. Our shop lead tech Jeremy managed to talk Roger out of the torque arm system to install in his '67 Camaro, more on that car later. Like a new car, in our shop we've found pulling the complete subframe and engine together out from the bottom is so much easier than pulling the engine through the engine bay. Fantastic way to do it when you're swapping in one of our Pro Touring (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=8/category_id=23/mode=prod/prd8.htm) or new ExtReme (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=product/product_id=443/category_id=23/mode=prod/prd443.htm) subframes.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Part of the purpose of reloading RedZed was to have an in house test bed for our new ExtReme products. If you're not familiar with the Extreme subframe and suspension, Click Here (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=160/mode=cat/cat160.htm) for more info. Together with Ron Sutton our design team really dug in to develop a suspension that provides you guys with geometry that has moved ahead of all other Pro Touring suspension systems currently on the market, no holds were barred. We also got sick of hearing Mary whining about skinny front tires ( jab-jab :naughty:) and designed this subframe to manage 315s up front on a 1st gen and the 2nd gen version can swallow a 335 up front! RedZed's previous combination had "little bitty" 275s up front so this was a welcome change. Let's get on with the photos, and I'll interject some thoughts in between here and there...

Here are some of the parts that make this suspension the leader of the pack. Note the ultra high clearance control arms that allow 30+ degrees of steering angle with a 315 tire. They also also help optimize things like Caster and camber settings. The new, redesigned exclusively for this suspension system, forged ATS AFX ExtReme aluminum spindle provides better geometry than any other spindle on the market, including Corvette and Corvette based copies. This is a really cool piece, read more about our achieved geometry on the link above. The Sweet race influenced rack and pinion not only has valving specific to our (and your) needs, it can handle the abuse of running that large a tire in track day situations that other off the shelf OEM replacement style racks can't handle. The LS platform is the standard mill choice for this set up and stands that locate the engine for optimum clearance and driveline angle are included.

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The center portion of the subframe is the same as what's in our C10 chassis and the 2nd gen Camaro subframe, and is currently underway getting incorporated into a full chassis for 64-72 Chevelles. the front and rear frame rails are designed so that this is a true easy bolt in situation with all factory bracket holes are right where you need them. Note also the front crossmember tube helps strengthen the front frame rails while providing the housing for the standard equipment 3 piece adjustable splined sway bar.

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The frame is a box type construction that is internally gusseted and braced for superior strength and reducing flex under hard load. Frame rails are narrowed where needed for extra tire clearance.

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Now things are starting to look good! Note the .77 motion ratio of the shock. The closer the shock mount is to the ball joint the faster the shock can react to road surface conditions and the better it can keep the largest contact patch of the tires planted. Efficiency here allows for more control, better response, a better feel and better ride when comparing to similar systems.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Roger chose a nice 14" Baer Pro Plus front and rear brake kit that features 6 piston calipers on both ends. The ExtReme spindle uses the new Corvette heavy duty sealed hub assembly and also incorporates Corvette parameters on the caliper mounts. This means it can take on any brake system that would bolt directly onto a C5+ Corvette.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

A little more assembly progress here. Note the custom friction reducing spherical bearing type tie rod ends and the adjustable sway bar installed. This design allows a very quick adjustment to go from Autocross to Road Race settings, a necessary tuning adjustment for events like Optima where you run both venues back to back. Roger chose Viking's new aggressively valved Crusader shock line which has double adjustability and AutoX based valving.

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Note here the upper control arms have billet stainless cross shafts that incorporate adjustable caster slugs. We have specific instructions for caster settings according to how the car is designed, and include slugs for 3 different base caster settings. The alignment will be set using traditional shims, we prefer this method as it works just fine to achieve optimum results and the solid control arms have one less stress point over adjustable arms that could fail.

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Although this is one of the first production subframes in the lineup, RedZed snuck out the "69" serial plate to go along with the car's age.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

So With RedZed's new frame powder coated and assembled, in goes the new LS mill. The old boosted 427 made plenty of power but it was almost too much to be practical, especially in an autoX power range where too much torque can blow off the tires and blow the run. Not too exciting on the long end either where the low and mid range motor might run out of breath on the road course. Couple that with thirsty big cubes and a traditional carb and driveability goes south too. The 525 hp LS3 GM crate motor has become a staple around Speedtech's shop, they make awesome, smooth power, have a decent idle, come plug and play and require minimal tuning. It was a natural choice to set one between RedZed's empty fenders. While in there Roger decided to take a little more control and picked up a Viper T56 six speed, giving him more hands-on shifting and the better final overdrive over the older outdated 700R4 automatic.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

We've recently become a dealer for Drive Junky pulley systems and went with their kit for the Camaro. They make a really nice quality and easy to install package that won't break the bank.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

The fit for the LS is a bit snuggly within the narrowed frame rails so we designed a custom set of 1 7/8" stainless headers that fits without any clearance issues, including between the collectors and the ground. They set right about flush with the bottom of the frame rails and work perferctly since we specifically wanted the ExtReme package to have a mean and low ride height. Deciding to focus on the suspension manufacturing we commissioned Ultimate headers to produce our design exclusively for our subframe.

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Just about ready for install...

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Here's a good illustration of shock travel length with the new ExtReme suspension. It gives you more travel range a with virtually no change in bumpsteer. How cool is that!

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Now that looks like it belongs in there, right?

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For those that like to see the numbers...

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Plenty of clearance for the steering shaft and it doesn't require awkward multiple joints.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

The Drive Junky system is anything but junky, mounting everything compactly and leaves plenty of non-knuckle busting wiggle room for hoses and accessories and such.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

The Drive Junky system comes with a high mount A/C compressor. In the name of being ultra compact and clean we also tried out this cool new low mount kit from Kwik Performance. Check out the difference in location. The price is fantastic too, so those of you who pick up an ExtReme subframe have a few different options for mounting a/c.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Available in both a wet or dry sump system, our ATS hand fabricated sheetmetal oil pan dimensions influenced the crossmember's design, zero clearance issues had to be standard and we nailed it.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

On both the wet and dry sump pans we utilize a relocated oil filter system which allows placing the filter in an ultra convenient spot and also the integrating of an oil cooler for less wear and longer engine life.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Almost there...

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Whoa, that looks different! RedZed was set up with an easy cruising automatic before, but the advantages of converting to the standard trans justified the effort. We used a McLeod dual disc clutch assembly with an aluminum flywheel. On customer's cars this clutch has worked great, doesn't make your left calf the size of your thigh, and the aluminum flywheel allows the engine to spin up quick!

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On the hydraulics end we installed our ATS clutch master cyl kit (http://www.speedtechperformance.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=30/mode=cat/cat30.htm) which utilizes our easy to install correct angle bracket with genuine GM master and reservoir. Baer's new brake master cylinder handles the brakes very well under pressure. Although it takes just a little extra effort to apply we typically forego the booster to clean up the engine bay and bypass issues with larger cams and low vacuum. Even without the power assist these Baer systems stop the car incredibly well.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

On to interior mods. In the past when someone transplanted a T56 into a muscle car it often meant rebuilding at least the front half of the transmission tunnel. That can be costly and time consuming, so we've come out with a line of trans tunnel covers for several applications that are quick and easy to install and can even be completed without welding. The ExtReme subframe is designed to allow really low ride heights so the trans is raised slightly more than our Pro Touring subframe and requires this special tunnel cover specific to this package. You simply cut out the portion within the tape line, attach the cover and you're done. Note that this cover is designed to all fit under a factory console (!) on first gen Camaros, as RedZed is set up.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

The factory console does need to be modified slightly, the front corners need to be trimmed to allow the console to go around the tunnel cover and one inner bracket needs to be removed.

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After trimming...

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[preston]

Fantastic. I'll never build a Camaro but I've been waiting for so long for someone to bring a truly performance oriented subframe to market (as opposed to one that just bolts on Corvette parts and is more about packaging and working for the average build).

Its really nice to see all aspects of the installations getting so streamlined. For the rich guys anyway !

[syborg tt]

First off what a great informative build thread. I'm really liking your new sub frames and on the next phase of 2nd chance this post is really making me consider this frame.


Marty-mj
www.garagescene.net www.syborgtwinturbo.com www.2ndcamaro.com

[SSLance]

What a nice, well built, completely thought out setup. Looks like the best of the best for everything. Can't wait to hear Roger's take on how the upgrades work in real life.

[CamaroAJ]

If you guys are looking for another '69 to upgrade from your gen 1 sub frame to your gen 2 sub frame I'd be willing to help out. I mean, just to be sure it fits and all. :y0!:

[Ben@SpeedTech]

@ Marty- The ExtReme subframe was inspired by many things, including more front tire width with good steering angle, the quest for perfect geometry numbers, and the ability for non Corvette cars to start winning the bigger races. ;) The new system will drive just as well on the street as the Pro Touring subframes but they will be on "kill" mode at the track. It would be too lengthy to type everything that makes this subframe so great, I hope while you're shopping around you'll take the time to call us and ask for more info. For first hand experience Blake was the key designer, Roger has it in his car, and for an outside opinion call Ron Sutton since he helped optimize the whole package for any suspension strategy.

@Lance- Thanks! Roger is like a kid at Christmas time so far.

@AJ- In the beginning there was talk among the salesmen about trade in value if you already have a Pro Touring subframe, but I'm in marketing and am out of the loop on the sales end so I don't know if that's in effect or the details. Roger is our sales manager so I'd suggest you call and chat with him about it all. 435.628.4300

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Moving back to the rear, RedZed used to roll on a GM 12 bolt rear axle, but with all the changes it was decided to convert to the stronger 9" that's available with our Torque Arm packages. Dutchman supplies our rear axles and we couldn't be happier with them. They custom build them to our specs with your choice of width and gears. Short of going with our full floater axle, Roger opted for all the upgrades including billet 1350 yoke, billet front bearing support, Dutchman's cool Super Set 20 double bearing housing ends, internal axle seals, pro Street axle shafts, True Trac diff and 3.89 gears. The axle housing was narrowed 4" from stock and on the long ends front matching 14" discs and 6 piston Baers with internal park brakes button things up.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

Roger kept the panhard bar from the old system, back in the day they were clear anodized and that matches some trim on the car. Now we powdercoat them black to match the rest of the torque arm parts. The first pic here illustrates how the Torque arm bolts to the axle- there are two small brackets on the center of the housing and a super strong billet mount that bolts over the pinion support.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

With a front suspension as refined as this one you have to back it up with something pretty special. From the get go our Torque Arm has always performed beyond what was expected and unlike leafs or 4 links creates a near bind free 3 link style suspension that operates incredibly smooth on the road and supports and follows the front suspension with exactness and grace on the race track. It shines on both the autoX and the road course so we're confident in pairing it up with our new ExtReme chassis and subframes. We've gone this route with our C10 chassis systems and our shop truck has gotten three first place wins at it's three events attended so far. It works so good we're even putting it in our new Chevelle and Tri-5 chassis rather than the typical 4 link.

Our torque arm is made of a special higher strength steel and is internally gusseted for superior strength in a small, clean, easy to install package that isn't cumbersome and leaves room for large tube exhaust routing. Not only does this kit hang the rear suspension, it includes an upper crossmember that's integrated into and strengthens the rear frame rails, and essentially the entire rear half of the car. Our system takes on average 8 hours to install and uses existing mounting points. In comparison some 4 link systems take up to 40 hours to install and include cutting up the floor and rear seat. With all the conveniences of the Torque Arm backed by it's performance it's no wonder we sell so many of them. In RedZed's case the main center arm got powdercoated to match the subframe and wheel centers.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

At this point it's probably fitting to look at wheel and tire fitment. Choice of wheels were Forgeline GZ3, 18x11 up front with 8.5" BS, and 18x11.5 out back with 6" BS. 315-30-18 Falkens all around. The rear also uses 3/4" spacers so in the future there's still room to jump up to a 335 on a 12" out back.

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[Ben@SpeedTech]

More turny/ clearance shots...

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This one below looks like it's rubbing the arm but it's not. At full lock it will polish the paint off the arm but that's beyond 30 degrees of steering angle. In most race venues 28 degrees is about all you'll ever need.

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Back on it's feet...

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[RPitts]

Car looks great! Great job on the updates.

[grendel]

very tempting.

[Build-It-Break-it]

very tempting.

Do it JJ you'll be a thousand times happier, I am. :G-Dub:

[Sonar Chief]

Ben ... that's awesome right there!!!

Question: do you have any pics of the header ground clearance w your new subframe? I am assuming you put on your new headers when you installed this new frame.

Got me thinking ....

Michael

[Build-It-Break-it]

Question: do you have any pics of the header ground clearance w your new subframe? I am assuming you put on your new headers when you installed this new frame.

Got me thinking ....

Michael

Scroll down to post number 12 in link below, it has pretty good pictures.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=52686&page=2

[Sonar Chief]

Hey I saw those ... wondering if Ben had any side views of the header/ collector ground clearance?

Michael

[Ben@SpeedTech]

ask and it shall be given unto you. :)

Here are a couple pics I took. The first shows the subframe is about 3 3/4" off the ground. The camera is angled up a bit and the headers look like they hang lower than they do. The second pic shows actual header to frame rail relationship. I'm too old and busted up to crawl under and get a measurement at the collector but it's maybe around 3 1/2"? That's pretty decent considering how low the car is.

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/SpeedTechPerformance/RedZed%20Reloaded/GROUND%20CLEARANCE%2002%2010%2072_zpspxcaqq0h.jpg

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/SpeedTechPerformance/RedZed%20Reloaded/GROUND%20CLEARANCE%2001%2010%2072_zpsp1f0dkm6.jpg

[Ben@SpeedTech]

very tempting.

Our R&D guys designed it and then we brought Ron Sutton in to hash out the geometry #s with us to create the best subframe on the planet. I heard you're talking with Ron about setting up your Camaro, save your money and a few phone calls, his best effort is already done. ;)

[rebelceb]

kind of odd to say this about such a wide wheel, but those rears look really out of proportion compared to how the fronts fill out the fender wells. i think you missed the boat there.

otherwise, the car is beautiful!

[Ben@SpeedTech]

Thanks for your thoughts. Do you mean the tires or wheels? Roger likes the deep rear offset look so although the wheels are almost the same width they look completely different. The shallow offset of the front wheel is the only way to stuff an 11" wheel and 315 tire under a 69 Camaro without modifying the fenders.

As far as tires go, there is often no real advantage to a wider tire on the rear unless the rear suspension is designed for it. Consider that a well set up car has a front suspension that does the work and the rear suspension faithfully follows the front. Some chassis builders like Ron Sutton have actually run a slightly wider tire up front with great success. Again it depends on how the suspension is set up. When possible we actually prefer to run the same size all around on cars that will race. 315s out back is no big deal with a minitub. But this is the whole reason the new Extreme frames and chassis are being designed specifically to fit a 315 up front too. RedZed could easily swallow a 335 out back (it had 345s under it before) but the 315 gives it a better balanced feel on the track. In the main brands of competitive "sticky" 200 tw tires the 315 is readily available too. Another obvious reason for the same size all around is for rotation purposes. I run the same 9.5" wheel and 275 tire all around on my car so I can easily swap them around after each race. On RedZed we'll simply remove and swap the tires on the wheels after races. More even wear means your investment lasts longer.

I think running larger rear tires on a pro touring car is mostly a bleed off of our old ways of thinking, muscle cars with as wide a tire out back as we can squeeze under it, and something skinnier up front, ...function follows form. In today's competition based pro touring cars the case more often than not is such that form hopefully keeps up with function, right?

[CamaroAJ]

I think he's talking about how far the rear wheels are set into the wheel well causing that giant gap from the quarter to the wheel.

http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag70/SpeedTechPerformance/RedZed%20Reloaded/wheelfit%2014_zpswrjlxl7x.jpg

The way it looks here. I think its just the angle and lighting though.

[rebelceb]

I think he's talking about how far the rear wheels are set into the wheel well causing that giant gap from the quarter to the wheel.



The way it looks here. I think its just the angle and lighting though.

That's exactly what I was saying, just didn't describe it correctly.

I also didn't intend to come across as being harsh or anything either, but reading my comment again it seems like I did. The car is beautiful, it just doesn't seem like it fills it out like others do.

Like AJ said, may be lighting and angle though.

[Zoomin]

Ben, is possible to run inner fenders with 315's? I realize mods will be necessary, but reasonable?

[GregWeld]

kind of odd to say this about such a wide wheel, but those rears look really out of proportion compared to how the fronts fill out the fender wells. i think you missed the boat there.

otherwise, the car is beautiful!




17 posts total - and you're the expert on everything. :waveflag:

[98ssnova]

Everybody gets an opinion. I like Reds new look very agressive. Good job Speedtech!