My first car (a long overdue project)

[JDODDS187]

Let me start at the beginning, I bought this car (My first car) when I was 18, on December 7 1991.



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(1991) It had a 327 (four bolt main not sure what it originally came out of) and a TH400. about a month after I bought it I had a bigger cam put in it along with some better heads (2.02/1.60 valve and 64cc) and a aluminum high rise intake, factory GM off an early vette, and replaced the quadrabomb with a holley 650 double pumper. That lasted about 2 years till I blew out the bottom end and ruined the block and heads, about this time I had my first son and this was my daily driver and all I could afford to do was to put a 305 out of a 77 camaro just to get me back and forth "For now"...

(2001) By this time I now Had 2 kids and the Camaro took a back seat to more pressing matters.By this time the TH400 gave way to a TH350 (out of the same 77 Camaro) and I had just put in a brand new crate 350 from GM. Still a daily driver and Not much else has been done to it other than a disc brake upgrade, and polygraphite body mount and suspension bushings.

(2003) I finally break down and buy a new car in order to park the Camaro and really go to town on it. and this is how it sat till 2015.....

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[JDODDS187]

(2015) Day one: By this time the car had become little more than a storage shelf and my garage just became a catch all. so after two weekends of cleaning and organizing got it up on some W10x33 I Beam stands I made. I am currently working 6 days a week so this will be a slow process.

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[JDODDS187]

The tear Down: I brace up the trunk and interior with some .120 wall square tube, I will be attaching it to a rotisserie and I don't want to risk any flexing


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Building my own rotisserie


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[JDODDS187]

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[JDODDS187]

My harbor freight sand blaster, Does an okay job, not really great for this big of project I came to discover

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I did discover more rust than I would have liked, at one point in this cars life it had a left rear quarter re skinned and not a very good job at that, lots of gaps where water had leaked and rotted out panels (some due to bad weather stripping too)

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[FLYNAVY53]

awesome build...even better story to go with it! Whats the end game plan?

[JDODDS187]

Now with the trunk floor swiss cheese and wanting mini tubs I decided to just so a new complete trunk floor and buy a pre-notched one at that. UPS Day !!! :ups:


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the trunk floor and outer wheel houses are from Classic industries and Mini Tubs Detroit Speed. RH wheelhouse I can already see a bit of an issue with the fit. On initial fit up found the issue was with the outer not the Detroit speed peice, Left side went together effortlessly.

[JDODDS187]

On to the body cart after I came to the conclusion that my sandblaster isn't enough to even get through the seam sealer and most if not all the rusted panels were going to be replaced, I did how ever finish up the sub frame and the under side, I will do the inner part of the quarters once I remove the old quarter panels. and just the rest as I go along, mean while i will use a wire wheel and air sander on the areas that I'm working on as I go.

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Got it on the body cart and square and level, then realizes that I'm not at the ride height, was so concerned about square and level that that slipped by...... :badidea:

Back to cutting :

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[JDODDS187]

Turns out this trunk floor wasn't notched deep enough,

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at this point I'm wishing I would have just done a patch to the bat part of the trunk floor. Live and learn:hairpullout:

[JDODDS187]

Eventually I got everything where it sits square and looks good

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[JDODDS187]

Now back to the rust.... Left side inner rocker, not good not sure how exactly i want to tackle this, completely rotten about 8 to 10 inches deep from the wheelhouse forward.

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:ups:

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Bought the full inner, but I think I will just section back to good steel and maybe all some reinforcement to be safe. This is where I sit for now, soon as I get some more sheet metal I will start on the rocker, want to make sure I have every thing in hand for test fitting. it will probably be a few weeks before I see new quarter panels. :G-Dub:

[rickpaw]

Nice first car.

I'll be following along. Love watching progress on rust repairs.

[Che70velle]

Nice job! Keep at it and keep the pictures coming.

[im4u2nvss]

I cant get enough of this type of build thread!

[JDODDS187]

My son following in my foot steps, 2010 SS bought all on his own

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[JDODDS187]

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More rotisserie pics

[JDODDS187]

Going to build the rear suspension my self, with the help of solid works and torchmate plasma, this was a tri four bar I was working in be for I decided on a three link with a watts link

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[tubbed69]

Great work so far,nice build on the rotisserie also:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[JDODDS187]

Thanks for the kind words! This won't be a fast build by any means, but I will keep my progress posted, and I'm sure I'll have tons of questions along the way!:cheers:

[glassman]

Good luck. Looks like you got the talent, throw in a little heart and you have a recipe for success (well a little patience too)....keep the pics coming. Very nice..

[GregWeld]

Keep at it --- it's a hobby.... ya just keep plugging away at it as money and time allow. Wish I had some of the cars back that I had when I was a teen! Nice that this means something to you.

[DOOM]

Awesome keep the updates coming!

[JDODDS187]

The Camaro budget took a hit this weekend, busted water pipe under the foundation of my house......:hairpullout:

[JDODDS187]

awesome build...even better story to go with it! Whats the end game plan?

Well, my end game is basically a cruiser that will hold its own in autocross, I have friends that do a lot of autocross and would like to do more than sit on the sidelines.

As far as what the plan is:

Drive train: Going with an LS, will most likely be a pullout that I will build, it will most likely be a truck pull out 6.0l. Trans will probably be a four speed simply due to the fact I work with a ton of dirt track racers and M-21 and M-22s are common with them and I can probably do some horse trading. T-56 might be in the future but who knows.

Rear Suspension: I will be doing a 3-link and watts link in the rear, I will be building it myself. I have build many components over the years for friends and have access to all the equipment between work and home. working a deal for a 9" at the moment in trade for the TH350 that I pulled out.

Front Suspension: So far not sure, I still need to do my homework. I'm probably just going to fix the geometry on the stock sub frame with changing control arms and going to coilovers. I have not settled on any one kit, it would have to be one that allows wider front wheels (10").

Chassis / Body: I will be tying the sub frame of course, Roll cage will most likely be nothing too major, no 12 point. Paint will most likely be black ( although over the years I have been all over the place with ideas) I seen this car and other than the wheels I think this is what I'm going for. I would like a mix of modern and classic styling.

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as far as wheels probably rallies

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Interior: Possibly red leather to look like the factory deluxe option. But that may rest on what color I decided on.

[will69camaro]

Glad to see you building this car! Very similar story to mine as I received my car in 1994 on my 13th birthday! Had it ever since.

Like the direction your taking and that you're doing it all yourself. Enjoy the build and I'll be watching!

William

[Juicypop]

Good luck brother look forward to watching the build.

[98ssnova]

Do you happen to have a materials list for your rotisserie? Very cool stuff so far. I like that fact that this is your first car. I still have my first car.

[JDODDS187]

Here is the plans I made, The material I used was pretty large for something like this, but I do structural steel for a living and this is what we had laying around, Even the bolts I used were some A325's that weren't stored properly so couldn't be used on a building. And it was all welded with 7018! I actually only bought the casters and the rams, the rest I scavenged:secret:


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[JDODDS187]

another thing most of the cut sizes had nothing to do with what was "needed" but instead what was laying around. but it all worked out.

[waynieZ]

Nice build! Going to be watching this one. Subscribed!!

[JDODDS187]

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-02/A9CA00C8-D2E5-416C-BBE8-25A33890A193_zpszahm0hif.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-02/A9CA00C8-D2E5-416C-BBE8-25A33890A193_zpszahm0hif.jpg.html)The Classic industries Fairy shat in my driveway today! So excite!http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-02/970CE7DE-E8AE-4A53-A06E-13BCC7E2F747_zpscka2l1rq.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-02/970CE7DE-E8AE-4A53-A06E-13BCC7E2F747_zpscka2l1rq.jpg.html)

[waynieZ]

Sweeeet!

[JDODDS187]

New taillight panel arrived today. Fit pretty good on the mock up!


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[Spiffav8]

Decent fit. Doesn't look like it will take to much to get it fitting perfectly.

Keep at it man. It's looking good!!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[SlowProgress]

Subscribed! Keep up the good work. I have a soft spot for first car builds as well.

Scott

[waynieZ]

Have you tried to see how the tail lights fit?

[JDODDS187]

I have not test fit the tail lights aside from the back up lights (turning this in to an RS) my factory tail lights are packed away in storage for the moment and I haven't ordered the RS tail lights as of yet

[JDODDS187]

Well it's been a few weeks since my last post! But tough work schedule and som sick doggies kept me fro. Being able to do much, so this Sunday I had a narrow window so I decided to take on the inner rocker rust issue, I removed the entire outer rocker to get to the bad area


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I am only going to section the bad area of the inner rocker, I figure I will patch it and fish plate it with some 10ga just to be sure


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[JDODDS187]

The inner rocker and the inner support were for the most part just one big rust flake.

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[JDODDS187]

This inner rocker support or what ever it's called, I could not find anywhere,


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/23058BC9-1B7C-4470-BF34-0F0E94A7E4D4_zpstokmvfjj.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/23058BC9-1B7C-4470-BF34-0F0E94A7E4D4_zpstokmvfjj.jpg.html)



So I had to build it from scratch



http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/EFD7D9E5-AA56-4D98-BFEF-F877A400880B_zpsfr5qcubo.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/EFD7D9E5-AA56-4D98-BFEF-F877A400880B_zpsfr5qcubo.jpg.html)



http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/3B32109B-B94E-4C1A-AAE2-B56C0221DEDB_zpspzozmewf.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/3B32109B-B94E-4C1A-AAE2-B56C0221DEDB_zpspzozmewf.jpg.html)


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/1C667107-74D5-4D58-B1D7-9E89CE2E969B_zps2ru29yrd.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/1C667107-74D5-4D58-B1D7-9E89CE2E969B_zps2ru29yrd.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

Here is the test fit to the outer rocker, nice and tight!



http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/09CD6B37-C5B0-4FAD-B1A6-B9E299266DE7_zpsa72kwps9.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/09CD6B37-C5B0-4FAD-B1A6-B9E299266DE7_zpsa72kwps9.jpg.html)



http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/D80A8F37-811A-4A14-99F9-0C22D8509D69_zpsjetvfhdt.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/D80A8F37-811A-4A14-99F9-0C22D8509D69_zpsjetvfhdt.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

As I posted before I decided not to replace the entire inner rocker, just to section out the rot




http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/FAE0E1AE-9A89-4DC3-B6BD-155DFA42A866_zpsthychcvr.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/FAE0E1AE-9A89-4DC3-B6BD-155DFA42A866_zpsthychcvr.jpg.html)


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/2132528D-795E-41F4-9399-85E4D1C86860_zps0fzlv4b3.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/2132528D-795E-41F4-9399-85E4D1C86860_zps0fzlv4b3.jpg.html)



http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/BA5D82B8-2971-4024-ACAB-5838BC1F53EF_zpsagoqiumg.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/BA5D82B8-2971-4024-ACAB-5838BC1F53EF_zpsagoqiumg.jpg.html)



I used a 10ga fish plate over the joint just to renforce it


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/90B7BDBF-F618-492A-8B28-574C005BB555_zpszenqfnng.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/90B7BDBF-F618-492A-8B28-574C005BB555_zpszenqfnng.jpg.html)





http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/289F322A-D338-4CB8-816A-9231A2716F9B_zpsdgce9n8t.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/289F322A-D338-4CB8-816A-9231A2716F9B_zpsdgce9n8t.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

Once I have the outer rocker ready to install I will shoot epoxy primer in side here and possibly some weather proofing under coating, this area never gets sealed off completely and looks to be sort of a drainage channel from the upper cowel

[waynieZ]

Nice job on that patch piece you made. Doubling up at the joint should work nice . Looking Good!

[JDODDS187]

Well its been slow going, Not much spare time lately but i did get a few things done

Got the inner rocker buttoned up and shot with Epoxy primer

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/E26EC25F-6636-4BCE-AA26-A652FCE08EBE_zpshksrrxkw.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/E26EC25F-6636-4BCE-AA26-A652FCE08EBE_zpshksrrxkw.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

The rear inner quarter was rotted out and I got that installed. was happy the aftermarket piece fit very well

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/0F419EBA-0CF8-43A8-94E0-E7771FAAB090_zpswjpwfbz2.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/0F419EBA-0CF8-43A8-94E0-E7771FAAB090_zpswjpwfbz2.jpg.html)


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/FB80A047-F0BF-49E8-9345-54658A5B4463_zpsys8cindr.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FB80A047-F0BF-49E8-9345-54658A5B4463_zpsys8cindr.jpg.html)

I still have some weld clean up to do but I epoxy primed it in the meantime, I had mixed up a cup for the inner rocker and had a bunch left over so I didnt want it to go to waste.


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/EA8D2F7F-DB9C-4DF1-B22C-460009278994_zpshfkee9is.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/EA8D2F7F-DB9C-4DF1-B22C-460009278994_zpshfkee9is.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

Next I was time to finish removal of the quarters, I braced up the weather strip channel once I was sure the trunk lid gaps looked good and everything was sitting where it was supposed to.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/07786E7B-C90A-4F7F-A5AC-BCCE3698DC6A_zpsl2pvfnrd.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/07786E7B-C90A-4F7F-A5AC-BCCE3698DC6A_zpsl2pvfnrd.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/59DF2890-589B-44F0-9D9E-18738CDA1252_zpsq4z4whvr.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/59DF2890-589B-44F0-9D9E-18738CDA1252_zpsq4z4whvr.jpg.html)

By this time it was already 95º and my garage faces the west.... And I decided to go ahead and get a new roof skin, I found more rust than i would like to see around the back window and with the quarter panels being spot welded under I figured i would just go for it, that and I will be able to clean and epoxy prime all the inner roof structure. so whats another $250 in sheet metal in the grand scheme of things!:gitrdun:

[Timberline]

It is so cool that this is your first car !
I am doing the same thing to my 66 Nova I bought in 1983 when I was 19 and it is all Detroit Speed.
Looking forward to watching your build progress.

[JDODDS187]

Had a decent weekend, was able to get a few things going. I started off with removing the rest of the quarter panels,and removed the roof


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/4958644F-77B2-4A7C-886D-F7D226FB3111_zps3mmpikya.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/4958644F-77B2-4A7C-886D-F7D226FB3111_zps3mmpikya.jpg.html)


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/84CC3BBE-7E06-4E00-A45F-442E9DBCFE88_zpspnj96zgy.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/84CC3BBE-7E06-4E00-A45F-442E9DBCFE88_zpspnj96zgy.jpg.html)




I also had the trunk weather strip channel and hinges braced up so I went ahead and removed the package tray shelf


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/5ADBF6B1-55A2-47F5-A5D7-785B74B69B9D_zpserf6lpin.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/5ADBF6B1-55A2-47F5-A5D7-785B74B69B9D_zpserf6lpin.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

I went ahead and did a bit of pre fitting with the quarter panels just to make sure I was on the the right course and there was nothing that need fixed before I sandblast the inside, and like I was afraid of I jumped the gun welding in the wheel houses..... I will have to repair them and re fit them, they were both rotated back a bit too much. I lined them up to the inner structure and the rocker but that wasn't good enough.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/8946B10B-F197-4499-89FB-C8EE559E4D56_zpshvb3id3k.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/8946B10B-F197-4499-89FB-C8EE559E4D56_zpshvb3id3k.jpg.html)

Aside from that snafu the quarters went in nicely

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/9B8FA0AB-F9F9-40FD-B76A-F21AAD35B985_zpsxxzeegqs.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9B8FA0AB-F9F9-40FD-B76A-F21AAD35B985_zpsxxzeegqs.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

From what I've seen this is a common fit issue, the corner needs split in order
to get it to sit right, but doesn't seem to be too much on an issue the other side was the same

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/FEB4A62A-6C2A-4F4D-B003-62A2495F8E15_zpsbogokyya.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/FEB4A62A-6C2A-4F4D-B003-62A2495F8E15_zpsbogokyya.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/FFDFD359-60F7-4695-AFC2-F005C16E9791_zpstc7jr1sy.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/FFDFD359-60F7-4695-AFC2-F005C16E9791_zpstc7jr1sy.jpg.html)

I used a silver sharpie to highlight the edges to help me see, Trunk gaps weren't terrible, seems to be par for the course from what I have seen, Tight at the top and bottom but a bit wide in the center

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/22402703-00EB-4826-88EF-C6C58223C9A3_zpsvwqoypwk.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/22402703-00EB-4826-88EF-C6C58223C9A3_zpsvwqoypwk.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/D68B6F8D-867B-468B-9E3E-0DEFB826E125_zps8ztgljhr.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/D68B6F8D-867B-468B-9E3E-0DEFB826E125_zps8ztgljhr.jpg.html)


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/3E8D00DD-AC20-4D12-A565-A2B0DCC84C81_zpskav9bboc.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/3E8D00DD-AC20-4D12-A565-A2B0DCC84C81_zpskav9bboc.jpg.html)


One thing I discovered is I don't own enough clamps!! But #10 tek screws work in a pinch! the only thing left to do was get the trunk floor extensions fitted.after that I pulled everything back apart not its a lot of welding and grinding of drilled spot welds and some little rust repairs before I sandblast and prime.

[waynieZ]

It looks good, your making some nice progress. Thats a big project and it's looking great.

[98ssnova]

Maybe its the angle of the photos but the body line looks off from the fender to rear tail light panel?

[JDODDS187]

I was able to pill those lines together in the end, I just needed an extra set of hands to clamp while I held. I needed to pull up and push over at the same time and needed both hands. for the most part that is resting on the rear panel.
There is also a few areas on the lower part of the quarter panel that need worked in just a bit, some of the bends have just too wide of a radius and is holding the gap open.

[JDODDS187]

I had some time to work on the Camaro again this weekend, Did alot of work but not much to show for it... Back into the "Sandblast booth". I think Im done with sandblasting in my driveway. such a pain....

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/357F4AC2-6F13-4041-9B28-776F93CEC4B9_zpsvhtdgob1.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/357F4AC2-6F13-4041-9B28-776F93CEC4B9_zpsvhtdgob1.jpg.html)

about 6hrs later and all i have to show for it is the inner structure is all clean and ready for epoxy primer.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/F4F0B96D-A0F1-4DF7-884D-94E0F8488D80_zpsor3n4unq.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F4F0B96D-A0F1-4DF7-884D-94E0F8488D80_zpsor3n4unq.jpg.html)

I only get about 30min of blasting to 1hr of clean up.... not only that the wind picked up and almost lost my booth...

[JDODDS187]

After cleaning I spent most of the weekend filling areas where there was clusters of spot welds that were drilled out. and I got some paint stripper to clean the inner door frames and trunk lid, but after further examining of the trunk lid, I found some major rust in the inside, and it looks like it wouldn't be long before it comes through to the top side. so yet another part to buy.
http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/2B2E68DE-A659-4C93-9F3D-D64341809275_zpsxwstg4oy.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2B2E68DE-A659-4C93-9F3D-D64341809275_zpsxwstg4oy.jpg.html)

Then my buddy brought over a pair of 1949 panhead cylinder heads that someone had attempted to weld new exhaust spouts on, I did the best I could without starting from scratch and cutting off the brand new one. I expected the casting to be full of garbage but was surprisingly clean, the old welds however....
http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/1F8F5104-D905-46A7-84FF-E498A481931E_zpsumaxodpp.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1F8F5104-D905-46A7-84FF-E498A481931E_zpsumaxodpp.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/F53BD672-94E0-418F-850B-7C8A355F8158_zps848fxnqr.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F53BD672-94E0-418F-850B-7C8A355F8158_zps848fxnqr.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

I did manage to fit the shelf panel brackets, I fitted the rear shelf to the old brackets, the clecoed it to the braces and to the hinges, then removed the brackets and fitted the new ones, notching them to the mini tubs and clecoing them into position, before pulling everything apart ,again, and preparing everything for epoxy primer.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/73D30CCE-4D39-40AB-9DBC-04FC3767336E_zpsimlsymys.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/73D30CCE-4D39-40AB-9DBC-04FC3767336E_zpsimlsymys.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/5536617D-5FDD-4256-AA11-DF8604AA0927_zpsyxlvucjo.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/5536617D-5FDD-4256-AA11-DF8604AA0927_zpsyxlvucjo.jpg.html)

So with many hours in this weekend, you look in my garage and it looks like I did nothing..... But I should have all this Shot in primer and ready for final install this weekend, I hope Supposed to get to 100º this week, so not sure what I will get done after work.

[GregWeld]

Building cars is so much fun!!


Keep plugging away at it - it's a hobby...

[JDODDS187]

I do have a few questions about body filler and seam sealers
1: what should I be using for body filler, and is it ok to apply filler on top of the epoxy primer?
2: Seam sealer inside, Same question basically.
3: exterior seam sealer, Same

[GregWeld]

I do have a few questions about body filler and seam sealers
1: what should I be using for body filler, and is it ok to apply filler on top of the epoxy primer?



#1 - Cut the epoxy primer with 180 grit. You don't have to go to bare metal - but you do have to give the body filler something to grab on to!

#2 - Evercoat Rage Gold - best body filler there is.


#3 - There IS a proper way to mix the hardner in the filler. Do it wrong and you have a bunch of air in the mix which shows up and you have to deal with it. See if you can find some videos on YouTube etc to get how this is done. I will tell you that you don't "fold it over and over".




2: Seam sealer inside, Same question basically.



Do your seam sealer right over the top of your epoxy primer.





3: exterior seam sealer, Same




When you say "exterior" - what do you mean by that? You talking about the underbody areas?

[JDODDS187]

the exterior, I'm talking about the seam between the rear quarter and back tail light panel, and between the deck filler panel and quarter. the areas that will be painted over on the out side of the car

[JDODDS187]

I did manage to find this product in another build posthttp://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Seam%20Sealer%20brand_zps0kk4hkj5.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Seam%20Sealer%20brand_zps0kk4hkj5.jpg.html)

And here is an example of what i meant by outside seam sealing
http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Seam%20Sealer%20outside_zpsyaooqbv5.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Seam%20Sealer%20outside_zpsyaooqbv5.jpg.html)

obviously something that can be painted over, whereas the under car seam sealer I would suppose needs to be more rugged

[JDODDS187]

as for my build I didn't get much done, just some rust repair

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/61675800-F2AA-42BA-AF2C-351C0654C02E_zpsuyryqcmm.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/61675800-F2AA-42BA-AF2C-351C0654C02E_zpsuyryqcmm.jpg.html)

Up in the inner sail panel there was one small rust spot. looks like condensation
build up over the years I suppose.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/9F73342E-AAAA-4B25-9B2A-CD396AA31B2E_zpskjsyzz50.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/9F73342E-AAAA-4B25-9B2A-CD396AA31B2E_zpskjsyzz50.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/63B90BBF-16F2-47E3-B6E1-1A70911B8E86_zpsmgajdepk.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/63B90BBF-16F2-47E3-B6E1-1A70911B8E86_zpsmgajdepk.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

Took a little hammering to get the shape right but in the end it fit pretty well

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/11C6679D-B23D-4CB6-951D-A68A08337621_zpsfvrieuho.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/11C6679D-B23D-4CB6-951D-A68A08337621_zpsfvrieuho.jpg.html)


http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/4E67C17F-6356-483A-8E89-9152B70856ED_zpsidun0idq.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Facebook/Mobile%20Uploads/4E67C17F-6356-483A-8E89-9152B70856ED_zpsidun0idq.jpg.html)


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[JDODDS187]

Next I began to work on the area where the quarter panel attaches on the side of the rear window, I made some tabs to locate where the original edge sat, to make sure I followed the same line, there is a slight curve here

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/BF34CB35-9F2D-4C92-97D4-4AF1FE67AC94_zpskskjjztj.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/BF34CB35-9F2D-4C92-97D4-4AF1FE67AC94_zpskskjjztj.jpg.html)

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/FFA58685-6FD3-4D0C-922B-3434E00A89E1_zpsvi3viwlm.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/FFA58685-6FD3-4D0C-922B-3434E00A89E1_zpsvi3viwlm.jpg.html)

[JDODDS187]

I didn't get much further than this,

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/18EEE02F-D6A8-46CA-84A0-D015CDEA712E_zpsjnxymt86.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/18EEE02F-D6A8-46CA-84A0-D015CDEA712E_zpsjnxymt86.jpg.html)

I got it welded and test fit the quarter, I have a high spot so it needs adjustment
Here is the only other pic I have of this at the moment, But basically it was a piece of 18ga that I had made into 5/8"x5/8" angle then I trimmed off one leg just past the bend, It would have been much easier to just replace the one 5/8" leg and not cut down the side but there was some rot that creeped down and I wanted to make sure I got it all.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag180/Jdodds187/Mobile%20Uploads/555D7A1C-4E37-4D65-829B-BFA0119C61A0_zpsmz1oioei.jpg (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/Jdodds187/media/Mobile%20Uploads/555D7A1C-4E37-4D65-829B-BFA0119C61A0_zpsmz1oioei.jpg.html)

The yard was a disaster so the rest of my weekend was spent being a landscaper..