I had to...

[DBasher]

I shouldn't have been looking but I was, paid scrap prices for it. It'll be stored until the wife's mustang is on the road and the other rig is sold.

1964 Falcon, 8 point 1-3/4" DOM cage, frame rails from the spring hangers up to the core support and tied into the rockers. It's a great start to a track car.

[DBasher]

All of the fab work is done really well, car was set up with a 3 link and a wicked front set up. I'm not exactly sure what to do with the front suspension yet.....got plenty of time to think about it though!

[Yukon Cornelius]

Must have a horshoe in you rear..............pocket. Looks like a decent start.

[GregWeld]

Nice buy!! Before long you'll own more F'n cars that Lillard and I....

[waynieZ]

You must be able to fall in crap and come out smelling like a rose!
Nice score!

[DBasher]

It's this sites fault...:D My wife is actually trying to figure out the "parental controls" for all my electronics, it's a disease.

The wife's mustang will be a great driver and local auto-x car but...I want more. The discussions with the group of guys I do these events with, the PRO3/E46 class races and the chitter chatter on this site has me convinced that I need a real track car. I've been looking at Falcons and 64/65 Comets, this one popped up Friday night and I was at his door Saturday morning after work.

What's with mechanical engineers and Falcons? :headscratch: He was moving across the country, the cost of the move was adding up so he pulled his goodies and I ended up with what you see. Very knowledgable and talented, the front suspension was an unexpected site to see, especially coming out of a garage build. It's purdy!

[Vince@Meanstreets]

It's this sites fault...:D My wife is actually trying to figure out the "parental controls" for all my electronics, it's a disease.

The wife's mustang will be a great driver and local auto-x car but...I want more. The discussions with the group of guys I do these events with, the PRO3/E46 class races and the chitter chatter on this site has me convinced that I need a real track car. I've been looking at Falcons and 64/65 Comets, this one popped up Friday night and I was at his door Saturday morning after work.

What's with mechanical engineers and Falcons? :headscratch: He was moving across the country, the cost of the move was adding up so he pulled his goodies and I ended up with what you see. Very knowledgable and talented, the front suspension was an unexpected site to see, especially coming out of a garage build. It's purdy!

Check out the set up that BMR and Sutton put on welds Mustang. Simple and proven system.

[sanddan]

Check out the set up that BMR and Sutton put on welds Mustang. Simple and proven system.

Is there a build thread on welds mustang?

[DBasher]

If you call 126 pages of nonsense and tomfoolery a build thread, you can find it right below this one in the race cars and modern pro-street section.

Vince, I've got bare fabricated frame rails, all the stock stuff is gone. I am on page 22 of Ron's front suspension thread, so you know, I've got that goin for me.

[rustomatic]

What the freak, Dan? Nice score! Maybe mine will be functional again by the time you get that thing rolling...

Most of my suspension went to two guys with '62 and '64 Comets...

Did the seller provide that front suspension with the car? It looks interesting and light--mine will have aluminum control arms at some point...

[DBasher]

No suspension just some straight rails, honestly I'm not smart enough to play with rocker style suspensions...:headscratch: I did talk with him about CAD files and his willingness to share, mainly on the rear set up though.

I'm easily a year out, won't even touch it until this fall and I really have no clue what to do with the front end. I'm not worried about it, I just have no clue.

What'd ya say we meet at Thunderhill next fall, GW makes some killer track lunches!...oh and the paint and body work, not touchin it!

:thumbsup:

[Vince@Meanstreets]

If you call 126 pages of nonsense and tomfoolery a build thread, you can find it right below this one in the race cars and modern pro-street section.

Vince, I've got bare fabricated frame rails, all the stock stuff is gone. I am on page 22 of Ron's front suspension thread, so you know, I've got that goin for me.

I meant the fronts. the rear is easy cause you are half way there. just add a watts and coil overs.

[rustomatic]

Cool--Weld makes a mean weanie!

If I go back to suck, I mean law school in the fall, mine might take another five years to get moving. At any rate, I should have a new and really wrong chassis under it in the next couple of weeks...

I'm with you on the paint, although I did start of bit of dent removal before I ripped the last set of guts out of mine...

No suspension just some straight rails, honestly I'm not smart enough to play with rocker style suspensions...:headscratch: I did talk with him about CAD files and his willingness to share, mainly on the rear set up though.

I'm easily a year out, won't even touch it until this fall and I really have no clue what to do with the front end. I'm not worried about it, I just have no clue.

What'd ya say we meet at Thunderhill next fall, GW makes some killer track lunches!...oh and the paint and body work, not touchin it!

:thumbsup:

[DBasher]

You're right, Weld can be a mean weenie...especially if you're friends with him!

You may be more on target with the 5 year thing. I'd like to be on track next fall but I know the$e thing$ take time. I've got a half ass plan and a goal, what else is there?
I'm expecting an update on this chassis thing you speak of, any sort of ideas help at his point.

:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

You two suck....



Be at Sonoma in August for the Mini Nats....


Although - Basher - I can give you a guest pass at Oregon Raceway Park now that I'm a member... You can come down and drive the Miata. LOL

[DBasher]

Sonoma? August? That's kinda on the way to Bonneville right?

Slide that seat back and pull the top! Let's do this!

[BMR Sales]

It's this sites fault...:D My wife is actually trying to figure out the "parental controls" for all my electronics, it's a disease.

The wife's mustang will be a great driver and local auto-x car but...I want more. The discussions with the group of guys I do these events with, the PRO3/E46 class races and the chitter chatter on this site has me convinced that I need a real track car. I've been looking at Falcons and 64/65 Comets, this one popped up Friday night and I was at his door Saturday morning after work.

What's with mechanical engineers and Falcons? :headscratch: He was moving across the country, the cost of the move was adding up so he pulled his goodies and I ended up with what you see. Very knowledgable and talented, the front suspension was an unexpected site to see, especially coming out of a garage build. It's purdy!

Inboard Shocks?

[DBasher]

Inboard Shocks?

Yuuup. In the picture I posted the adjustable rod isn't for mock up, it connects to a rocker which connects to the coil over. Honestly it was like walking into the Roadster Shop's 300sqft satellite shop.

[Flash68]

Nice score!

Nice buy!! Before long you'll own more F'n cars that Lillard and I....

Or more appropriately, more non running cars than that DICKey guy.

[Sieg]

Next thing you know he's going to have a Gremlin and Matador in his driveway. :shakehead:

[DBasher]

Welp, I've officially stepped in it...

Picked up this morning.
New 9" housing with the correct 3 link brackets installed, Currie 9+ axles and a nodular 3rd member with 3.50 gears and a Truetrac.
Rebuilt wide ratio Toploader, SKF bearings, billet input shaft and a SFI bell housing....I'm pretty stoked! He also gave me a nice roller 302 block that was used as mock up and a bunch of fluids. The moving company was giving him a hard time about some of the parts so, I win!

The 4spd even came with a nice cover he machined.
:thumbsup:

[GregWeld]

Wow --- I wish I could afford all the projects you have going.....

[DBasher]

Wow --- I wish I could afford all the projects you have going.....

So do I!

I couldn't pass it up, I pretty much paid for a built 9" and got the rest for free. Now all I need to do is replace the "15 year anniversary trip" money before the wife finds out...we might not be able to go to Red Lobster this year.:(

[waynieZ]

Nice!! I love new toys!!!

[rustomatic]

If the 15th anniversary rolls in around August, Sonoma is nice...

[DBasher]

My pops sent me a text yesterday, no words just this picture. I called him immediately and asked what the what? Turns out he was lost up near his house and stumbled across this lil sweetheart. The wife was super eager to get it out of the front yard so he gave her $350 and hauled it home!
I'll pull a few things off of it and he'll end of parting/scrapping the rest...Its just funny to me because my family gives me a hard time for draggin stuff home. I always do well when I sell or part something out, doesn't matter, I still get grief.

Wonder where I got it from.....

[rustomatic]

Hey Dan,

I thought I'd throw you a couple teaser shots of my latest mess (further progress will be very, very slow):

[DBasher]

R.I.P. Lil Falcon....hahaha! You know those old vettes didn't handle that great to begin with right?

I'm leaning toward a torque arm in the back and some kind of something in the front....ford had some great designs throughout the years.
:happy23:

[craig510]

Awesome score picking up that parts car. This is going to be one cool falcon.

[DBasher]

Thanks Craig, I'm looking forward to getting it in the garage and hacking away. I have some ideas and goals for the car, should be fun!

Paul......you're crazy! With that being said I'd love to see more of how you're putting that lil Falvette together. 2 things...Did you look at the Ford IRS and what are you drinking these days?

:thumbsup:

[rustomatic]

My sickness was in gestation for some time. After driving the (1992) Corvette for a season or so, in a number of environments, I decided I really liked the chassis, brakes, steering, etc. All the other crap had to go. I added 13 inches to the length, with a new 2x3 frame in the middle, along with a 2011 5.3 LS and its 6-speed auto (cuz shifting has gotten old, along with me) . . .

Oh, and the engine's about a foot back from normal now. Seating will be interesting. I may become my own back-seat driver.

Said ill-handling chassis ruled autocross for like a couple of decades--they also make pretty good track cars, especially with a bit of extra wheelbase (see C5 improvements not related to rear trans mount). On the dorkiest level, they also ride pretty nicely . . .

No more freaking rod ends!

We can also blame Belgian beer or Black Velvet, but really, law school drove me to this cluster . . .:headspin:

[Flash68]

I had a C4.... for 6 months.... what a POS that was. :lol:

[DBasher]

I had a CAMARO.... for 6 months.... what a POS that was. :lol:

Fixed it for ya, HEY-O!

I'm sure the lil Falvette will turn out great. If not at least you'll have learned what works or doesn't and know how to fix it.....:thumbsup: looks to me like you're just honing your skills for when the law school thing doesn't work out.

[DBasher]

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Just because, good times.

[rustomatic]

Sweet pics, Dan--the black & white is kind of romantic!:military: I may have to steal them for other purposes.

What's funny is that it looks like the car's almost not corner-diving in those pictures. So much of my handling-based fury came from those stupid, weak 2-inch leaf springs . . .

One of the things that really hit me with the C4 was its balance in corners. The chassis seemed to load evenly (without any driver effort) when being whipped through turns, which I made sure to do well ahead of my choice to rip things apart. Necessarily, GM engineers had a lot more to work with than I (in brains and parts), so I figured that using what they came up with would be a bit better than anything I'd produce on my own (or worse yet, bolt on) in 20 years.

I'll look forward to seeing yours develop in a more normal way, maybe . . .

[DBasher]

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Since you didn't ask....here is the rest of the sequence from that part of the course, I have more on my home computer. I know I've looked at and compared the photos between your car and Craig's....it actually paid off being too lazy to find another spot to shoot from.

Bummer you couldn't stick around for the color day, Sieg REALLY tuned me up for Sunday.
:cheers: :happy23:

[craig510]

Danger thread hijack in progress!

I don't remember seeing those picks of my car on the autox. I think you posted a sequence of the speed stop when my old UCAs were bending. I was not really going for it on the autox because I still wanted to finish the event and my alignment was all screwed up, but it would be interesting to see the difference 40# of rear spring rate would make. You can see how Paul's car is dumped over on the rear tire unloading the inside front and over working the outside. On the medium/low grip skid pad, my bet is the car was understeering. If you take that same setup out to a high grip concrete it will initially understeer, then start to oversteer as the inside rear unloads, makes the car a real handfull.

I am currently finishing up the design work for a Falcon MOD2 rocker arm suspension and already bought my JRi's so I will be able to dial it in for next season.

[DBasher]

Well first of all, how's the painting comin along?

I'm up, er maybe downloading pics now...I'll start of with these.

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[DBasher]

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[DBasher]

Few more, just because.

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:thumbsup:

[rustomatic]

This is like the coolest thread of non-driving Falcon pictures ever . . .

[glassman]

Love that last one at T-hill....

[craig510]

Dan,

Thanks for the pictures. My suspension was not looking too good in the Autocross pictures.. but It sure looked good going down the track. I think I am going to get one of those framed.

-Craig

[rustomatic]

Yo Dan,

According to the first post in this thread, you've got like a month to go . . .

[DBasher]

Paul.......its a long story, like 20 years long. I've never claimed to be real smart, I've already got some "ragrets" but what's done is done. This isn't the car coming, this is it going. :hello: The wife's mustang is getting close mechanically and if I keep at it I'll be knocking over cones in no time.
I kept the 9" and the 4spd and doubled my money so at least I got that going for me. I'll show the replacement a bit later.

[rustomatic]

That's a bummer, Dan, but that's life. The main hoop of the roll bar looked like it was too far forward, anyway . . .

Onward and sideways.:hello:

Paul.......its a long story, like 20 years long. I've never claimed to be real smart, I've already got some "ragrets" but what's done is done. This isn't the car coming, this is it going. :hello: The wife's mustang is getting close mechanically and if I keep at it I'll be knocking over cones in no time.
I kept the 9" and the 4spd and doubled my money so at least I got that going for me. I'll show the replacement a bit later.

[DBasher]

Last year when I was looking for a falcon or comet to build, I was contacted by a gentleman who was looking to have some paperwork cleared up on a car he had bought. It turns out this guy had purchased a car that I sold in 1999 and the title search showed it was still in my name. We talked about the car and the history I had with it, he gave me $100 and I signed it over. Fast forward to a few months ago and the guy calls again and says he needs to get rid of the car and was offering it to me first....well sh!t. He sent some pictures and I coudlnt stop thinking about it. I'd look at the falcon, which was really a great start, and look at the pictures...back and forth, back and forth...I had to go look at it.

As soon as I pulled into his property and saw the car, I knew it was coming home with me. I texted a picture to my wife, she had no clue where I went or what I was doing, her response "WTF!" followed by "bring it home!" Done.
This was my daily driver for 3-4 years, it's also the car my wife and I "dated" in....lots of memories.

The plan is kind of the same as the falcon, only different. Im not doing anything to it until I can afford to have Ron Sutton come up with the blueprints. My buddy explained it perfectly, "you wouldn't build a house without a set of prints, why wouldn't you do the same with the car?" Between what he said and what I'm learning from this site, it's a no brainer.

[GregWeld]

Is the back seat still in it?? LOL

[rustomatic]

Sadly, I totally understand the mindset behind the following logic: This is too good. Let's get rid of it! I did this with a house a few years ago, and I've done it with many cars (and jobs). I might have even tried it with my wife when we were dating, but I recovered from that . . .

Last week, I sold a perfectly good 302/C4 out of my Ranchero. Why? I really have no idea, aside from the 5.0 I'd bought two weeks previously. Did the floor of the Ranchero need a bunch of tubing? No. Did it get some? Yes! Why? It wasn't there before, and tubing makes things better!

Best of luck in awaiting directions from Mr. Sutton. I'll be happy to get you started by shipping you a box of all-blue Crayons (C.O.D., of course) . . .

Since I'm somewhat 1950s-illiterate, what exactly is that car you've reacquired?:EmoteClueless:

Last year when I was looking for a falcon or comet to build, I was contacted by a gentleman who was looking to have some paperwork cleared up on a car he had bought. It turns out this guy had purchased a car that I sold in 1999 and the title search showed it was still in my name. We talked about the car and the history I had with it, he gave me $100 and I signed it over. Fast forward to a few months ago and the guy calls again and says he needs to get rid of the car and was offering it to me first....well sh!t. He sent some pictures and I coudlnt stop thinking about it. I'd look at the falcon, which was really a great start, and look at the pictures...back and forth, back and forth...I had to go look at it.

As soon as I pulled into his property and saw the car, I knew it was coming home with me. I texted a picture to my wife, she had no clue where I went or what I was doing, her response "WTF!" followed by "bring it home!" Done.
This was my daily driver for 3-4 years, it's also the car my wife and I "dated" in....lots of memories.

The plan is kind of the same as the falcon, only different. Im not doing anything to it until I can afford to have Ron Sutton come up with the blueprints. My buddy explained it perfectly, "you wouldn't build a house without a set of prints, why wouldn't you do the same with the car?" Between what he said and what I'm learning from this site, it's a no brainer.

[DBasher]

GW, the interior looks a lot like Dave's interior in his "someday Camaro". I asked what happened to the interior when I was looking at it and all I got was "man, it was nasty"....fair enough. :D

1955 Plymouth Savoy....flathead 6 with a 3 on the tree when I owned it....Smitty muffler, loud ass horns and way too low. I'll take your offer on the blue crayons, Paul, as you know they taste the best!

[DBasher]

Soooo, this happened also. Sitting at a bar and a friend of a friend mentioned getting rid of his Mini. Out of curiosity, I asked about it. He's owned it since new and was tired of it and just wanted it to go away. I should have poured another drink and just enjoyed the evening...I didn't.
The wife's ok with it, my mom wants it and I'm already signed up for an SCCA Track Night...

Just couldn't pass up a supercharged, 6spd for less than a weeks salary. :happy23:

[Try2paz]

Dude freaking awesome...sorry i'm overly excited about the Mini.. I've driven them a couple of times and always got out smiling. It felt like I was driving a big go kart and should be illegal with the amount of fun I had in it.

[DBasher]

That's exactly how I described it to the wife, a go kart with plates...she still thinks I'm a bit of a ra-tard though. It'll be a fun track/practice car to beat on and I'll be able to teach the oldest boy and wife how to drive a stick. I've also got a driving class coming up and than a track day scheduled later this month....how's it go? Yeeeeehaaaaw!
:cheers: