Big Ford End - "Bolt-On" C6/7 Hybrid Floater

[MillerBuilt]

Full Floater System -

Installs onto any Rear-End that utilizes "Early" or "New Style/Torino" Big Bearing Ford Ends.


That's right,,,, you can use your current rear-end housing, NO welding & simple installation. BOLT-ON! :headspin:


Advantages:



Bolts to your Early OR New Style/Torino Big Ford Housing End (Chevy 10/12 bolt application now available! https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=52854 )

Reduces/eliminates brake “knockback”
Eliminates axle deflection
Wheel & tire remains intact should an axle failure occur
Front or Rear Caliper / E-Brake Cable Positions
Utilizes the robust, zero maintenance C6/C7 ZO6 Hub Bearing Unit
Utilizes OEM C5/C6/C7 Corvette, and 5th/6th Gen Camaro brake kits
Utilizes aftermarket C5/C6/C7 Corvette, and 5th/6th Gen Camaro brake kits
Utilizes your existing BAER / WILWOOD caliper & rotor (some restrictions apply)
Super compact design compared to traditional style full floaters
All advantages of a traditional style full floater without the maintenance
Replacement parts available at local GM dealer or local parts house
No modifications required to the hub bearing unit as other kits in the marketplace
Note: this applications will add 3/16″ per side to your existing wheel mount surface (based on an existing 2.50″ axle/brake offset)

Fitment: Any rear-end housings that utilizes Early or New Style/Torino Ends


Big Ford Bolt-On “Full Floater Kit” (pictured below)

E-brake Assemblies & E-brake Cable Brackets NOW INCLUDED With Each Floater Kit

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/jaymillerone/IMG_4359_zpsz9shw5m9.jpg

Full Floater Kit Includes:
• (2) Billet Steel Floater Adaptors
• (2) Billet Aluminum Caliper Brackets
• (2) SKF 33 Spline Hub Assemblies
• (2) E-brake Assemblies
• (2) E-brake Cable Brackets
• (1) Install Kit
• (2) Billet Aluminum Hub Cap Seals
________________________________________
PRICING AT - https://millerbuiltusa.com/big-ford-base-kit/



Have interest?
Have questions?
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Big Ford "Bolt-On" kit in action!

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[no go nova]

Sounds cool but it might just push the axle out to wide. But perfect for people who want to narrow there rear end but not be commited to the corvette ends.

[Build-It-Break-it]

I'm interested For sure. Parking brake capable?

[MillerBuilt]

Sounds cool but it might just push the axle out to wide. But perfect for people who want to narrow there rear end but not be commited to the corvette ends.

That could be the case if you have zero room to push your existing wheel/tire combo out a bit (3/16""), but if your current set-up will clear with the additional 3/16" per side, then this will work for you.

[MillerBuilt]

I'm interested For sure. Parking brake capable?

YES, takes the OEM C5/6 Park Brake set-up. Most people can even utilize their existing Caliper & Rotor so long as the manufacturer of these pieces offers them in a C5/6 Corvette application.

This set-up takes the same axle as my "weld-on" set=up with the exception of the seal surface on the axle is slightly larger...

[Build-It-Break-it]

Have you came up with a price yet for just the adapters And seal?

[Rod P]

"Bolt-On" Flange End that will enable you to run C5/6 Brakes (OEM or ANY Aftermarket) & C6/7 Hub Bearings!



HOLY CRAP! thats awesome....totally want :popcorn2:

[efs69]

:trophy-1302:

[130fe]

Stupid question- does this make a conventional rear with torino ends into a semi-floater? Curious on pricing as well. Any info would be appreciated.

[Ron in SoCal]

Stupid question- does this make a conventional rear with torino ends into a semi-floater? Curious on pricing as well. Any info would be appreciated.

Yes, with the floating axles it should. I've run a similar weld on style flange and it absolutely has no knock back.

[MillerBuilt]

Have you came up with a price yet for just the adapters And seal?

Not yet, I am machining a few sets next week and once machine time is determined,,,, I can put a cost to them. I do however expect the pricing to be similar as the "weld-on" kits I sell since they are very similar, and as you may or may not know those are $900.00 a set.
Additionally, the basic kit for this "bolt-on" setup will include the axle seal and ARP hardware. Appreciate your interest! Thanks!!

HOLY CRAP! thats awesome....totally want :popcorn2:

Thanks Rod, I am VERY proud of this set-up! Would love to see you beating on a set of these soon! Let me know :D

:trophy-1302:

Stay tuned for newly machined sets :ups:

Stupid question- does this make a conventional rear with torino ends into a semi-floater? Curious on pricing as well. Any info would be appreciated.

I do not think any questions are stupid and believe that is how we all learn. To answer your question, a conventional rear with "torino ends" IS considered a semi-floater. This set-up would fall closer into the full floater category.
In a nutshell, with a semi-float axle, the axle shaft both carries the weight of the vehicle and transmits torque which directly relates to the failure of bearings, seals, and ultimately piston knockback.
With a full-float axle, the weight of vehicle is supported by the axle housing-more specifically and in this situation, the C6/7 Hub/Bearing that is attached/bolted to the end of the axle tube. Torque is now transmitted by the axle shaft that carries literally no weight since the Hub/Bearing Unit supports the vehicles weight now...

[GregWeld]

Yes, with the floating axles it should. I've run a similar weld on style flange and it absolutely has no knock back.



That implies that you actually went into a corner hard enough to move the rotor and push the pads back..... Just sayin'.... Hahahahahahahaha

[Jr]

Great idea. Yes, I'm very interested.

[MillerBuilt]

Great idea. Yes, I'm very interested.

Thank you Jr. I appreciate you posting up your interest.
Keep an eye on this thread for more info!

[Payton King]

Great idea! So simple, but you are the first. Brilliant really, for the person making the upgrade with additional room or before they order wheels.

[crazycarl]

...I do however expect the pricing to be similar as the "weld-on" kits I sell since they are very similar, and as you may or may not know those are $900.00 a set.
Additionally, the basic kit for this "bolt-on" setup will include the axle seal and ARP hardware. Appreciate your interest! Thanks!!

Does the weld-on kit for $900 include axles and the unit bearing? Gotta link to your website somewhere? There are no details in your signature or your user profile. I looked through your posts and saw a bunch of GMR stuff but when I called GMR they said you don't work for them.

[MillerBuilt]

Great idea! So simple, but you are the first. Brilliant really, for the person making the upgrade with additional room or before they order wheels.

Thanks Payton! Now what do I owe ya for saying that :lol:

[4mul8ion]

Hope this helps. These ends were from Dutchman.

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/jenskik/DSC00209_zpsrjsnz1zg.jpg

http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/jenskik/DSC00203_zps9vdivkca.jpg

[4mul8ion]

Here's the Dutchman outer shape.
http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l635/jenskik/1970%20Pontiac%20Pics/IMG_0203_zpsbkdwbwya.jpg

[efs69]

Jay,

Here are some pictures of my Moser set up. It does have the inner seal as well. Hope these shots help.

[Build-It-Break-it]

I was seriously wanting these and they're are an extremely great idea and innovative. The part that made the decision for me personally is Cost.

After buying a ford housing with big bearing brackets, JSM brackets, strange axles, rotors etc its probably close to $3000 with no center section . The floaters I've priced (Speedway motors)complete are around $1000 minus the brake calipers,no center section. I know it's not an apples to apples comparison tho. I like yours WAY better.

If the axles and your brackets were priced a little lower Im sure there would be tons of interest. But people have to eat so I understand your r&d,time, money invested. Much respect for you coming up with these and offering them to others.

[MillerBuilt]

I was seriously wanting these and they're are an extremely great idea and innovative. The part that made the decision for me personally is Cost.

After buying a ford housing with big bearing brackets, JSM brackets, strange axles, rotors etc its probably close to $3000 with no center section . The floaters I've priced (Speedway motors)complete are around $1000 minus the brake calipers,no center section. I know it's not an apples to apples comparison tho. I like yours WAY better.

If the axles and your brackets were priced a little lower Im sure there would be tons of interest. But people have to eat so I understand your r&d,time, money invested. Much respect for you coming up with these and offering them to others.




I understand the cost being an issue for folks, but you should see the budget I am working with trying to bring these innovative designs to life :lmao:
Just as a reminder though, this "bolt on" set-up was really conceived for folks who have a current housing/suspension brackets that want to take advantage of all the great things this kit offers over their current semi-floater configuration AND a Speedway type floater.

As you mentioned the speedway floater is a lesser dollar amount and a good option, but more for a track oriented car IMO, but as you also mentioned is not really an apple to apple comparison.
My offering is for folks leaning more towards that OEM feel/build that want a quality e-brake set-up, almost zero maintenance, and the ability to service the set-up if need be at most ANY local auto parts store/GM dealership.That you will not duplicate with the budget friendly speedway floater...

Appreciate the input & kind words, and perhaps I should/could offer a group buy which would bring the price down quite a bit. For example if I could get 10 "pre-orders" on both the flanges and axles at the same time, I could then bring the cost down on both the flange ends and axles. Just as a guess (pretty close though), the flanges would be closer to $650 for the pair & the axles at $700 for the pair.....
If anyone would be interested in this price range just let me know on this thread and when we reach 10 sets of both flange ends and axles everyone will be getting a GREAT deal!

[Nativefx]

I appreciate you taking the time to contribute. Although I was hoping to be further along, lack of interest in this product so far has put this low on my priority list even though personally I think it is the best thing since sliced cheese.
Here are a few shots of the first sets. They are bad a$$!

Are you referring to just the bolt-on option or your set-up in general when mentioning putting this low on your priority list? I'm getting ready to pull the rear end out of my car next week and start fitting the wheels. I responded to your PM a week or so ago, so just want to see where things are with this and if it will still be an option?

thanks, Jake

[MillerBuilt]

Previously posted info no longer applicable to this product. This kit now fits either New Style (Torino) or Early Style Big Ford Ends.

[1Bad68Cat]

Hi Jay,

Sent you a PM with some questions I have.

Robert

[Jay Hilliard]

This is a really nice setup. Awesome!

[MillerBuilt]

This is a really nice setup. Awesome!

Thanks! Another complete kit w/axles was just sold to a gentleman in Virginia. Hopefully we will start seeing some posts from some of these sales to show just how trick this bolt-on kit is.Thanks again for the positive post!:thumbsup:

I still think Vince needs to man up and run one of these! :lol:

[atomicjoe23]

I'm saving up now. . .I'm gonna run one of these with a fabricated 9" housing and then run the Street Tech Performance spindles in the front as well. . .

. . .excited that I finally settled on what I'm gonna run!!!

[MillerBuilt]

I'm saving up now. . .I'm gonna run one of these with a fabricated 9" housing and then run the Street Tech Performance spindles in the front as well. . .

. . .excited that I finally settled on what I'm gonna run!!!


Joe - that is great news. I am a HUGE fan of this Bolt-on application as the conversion can take place in a matter of hours! Talk to you soon. Thanks!

[Build-It-Break-it]

Have you tried sourcing another vendor for the axles to bring the cost down from $450 per axle?

[MillerBuilt]

Have you tried sourcing another vendor for the axles to bring the cost down from $450 per axle?

Talked with Dutchman and they were no less but can also produce and I have no doubt in their ability. Never spoke with Moser, but prefer Strange over all and do a great job. I like the quality of their products. Unless quantities per order increase, no substantial discount will apply as it is what it is for material, process, machining.

I know it is not an inexpensive set-up as you have pointed out before in earlier post, but this most likely will not be a deal breaker for those that really want it. Folks may have to save a little while longer but then will have an OEM type setup that is hard to compare in many ways to anything on the market.

Who knows, maybe someday I will be running hundreds of sets at a time and price will be cut in half! I can only hope :yes:

[71RS/SS396]

Why not use the Seals-it inner seal and keep the oil in the center where it's needed? You need to relocate the axle vent but there's no need for the oil to be in the axle tube. http://www.sealsit.com/axle-seals.html

[MillerBuilt]

Why not use the Seals-it inner seal and keep the oil in the center where it's needed? You need to relocate the axle vent but there's no need for the oil to be in the axle tube. http://www.sealsit.com/axle-seals.html

Hi Tim,

I include the outer seal in the kit since this will suffice most consumers usage, but I have no issues at all with this option if requested.
I have spoken with the folks at Seals-it for input as to optimal shaft size (at seal location) for best overall longevity of the seal, so if requested I can accommodate folks that may want to go that route.

Also while talking with Seals-it, it was mentioned that not all housing tubes are a "out of the box fit" for their product and sometimes require different O-rings and or machining of the O-ring grooves to obtain their suggested fitment, and is another reason for my including the outer seals that are certain to fit everyone's application.

Your input is greatly appreciated and further exposes another great option that folks can explore.

Thanks, Jay

[Hugger67RSSS]

Jay, sent you a PM.

[Hugger67RSSS]

Placed my order for one of Jay's bolt on rear conversions. Will post an install thread once I get my axles. Great guy to deal with and has a great product!

[MillerBuilt]

Updated my original post with some new info, pics, pricing, etc. Check it out.

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=49657

Thanks,

Jay

[MillerBuilt]

Placed my order for one of Jay's bolt on rear conversions. Will post an install thread once I get my axles. Great guy to deal with and has a great product!

Just a quick picture of Hugger67RSSS at the Midwest Musclecar Challenge Friday (road course) & Saturday (auto-x). He is a regular competitor and is running one of the MillerBuilt "Bolt-On" Hybrid Floater Kits. He has been throwing everything at it but the kitchen sink and just keeps on ticking :thumbsup:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/jaymillerone/IMG_0199_zpseplkab3u.jpg

[Sonar Chief]

Just a quick picture of Hugger67RSSS at the Midwest Musclecar Challenge Friday (road course) & Saturday (auto-x). He is a regular competitor and is running one of the MillerBuilt "Bolt-On" Hybrid Floater Kits. He has been throwing everything at it but the kitchen sink and just keeps on ticking :thumbsup:

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/jaymillerone/IMG_0199_zpseplkab3u.jpg


Oustanding ... great looking car, I'm gonna be ordering this same setup real soon. I'll send you a PM next week!

Michael

[MillerBuilt]

Oustanding ... great looking car, I'm gonna be ordering this same setup real soon. I'll send you a PM next week!

Michael

Michael,

Sounds good. Appreciate the support!

Jay

[MillerBuilt]

In stock!

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=49657

[brownz]

In stock!

http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=49657

Ordered my kit today. Thanks again Jay for the great customer service. I look forward to installing the floater.

[MillerBuilt]

Ordered my kit today. Thanks again Jay for the great customer service. I look forward to installing the floater.

Thank you Brandon. Your support is MUCH appreciated! You're gonna love it :thumbsup:

[MillerBuilt]

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[Dan65SS]

Jay-

I haven't gotten the kit installed yet, I ordered it through Tobin, but I am sitting here looking at it and wondering the best way to get measurements for cutting my axle shafts?

I have new axles that have extended splines on one end which allow for cutting to size.

Should I just assemble the whole rear end and brakes and then use my full length axles and see how much is sticking out?

Are there known measuring points we can use to calculate the length once we know what brakes and rear end lengths we have?

I know you provide this: **Note: this applications will add 3/16″ per side to your existing wheel mount surface (based on an existing 2.50″ axle/brake offset)** on a lot of the write ups, but I don't know if that is with all brake units. I guess I am wondering if I need to put my brakes on to see if I have that 2.50 brake offset to begin with.

I will be using Z51 with the parking brake assembly.

Thanks,
Dan

[MillerBuilt]

Jay-

I haven't gotten the kit installed yet, I ordered it through Tobin, but I am sitting here looking at it and wondering the best way to get measurements for cutting my axle shafts?

I have new axles that have extended splines on one end which allow for cutting to size.

Should I just assemble the whole rear end and brakes and then use my full length axles and see how much is sticking out?

Are there known measuring points we can use to calculate the length once we know what brakes and rear end lengths we have?

I know you provide this: **Note: this applications will add 3/16″ per side to your existing wheel mount surface (based on an existing 2.50″ axle/brake offset)** on a lot of the write ups, but I don't know if that is with all brake units. I guess I am wondering if I need to put my brakes on to see if I have that 2.50 brake offset to begin with.

I will be using Z51 with the parking brake assembly.

Thanks,
Dan

Dan,

First off, thank you for your purchase.

The brake package will not affect axle length in any way.

As for the axles...

Best way to determine your axle length is to know your pinion center to outside of Big Ford End measurement for both passenger and driver side. Once that is known just let me know and I will confirm your particular applications axle lengths.

In addition to the above, I will need to know what differential you are running and if your Big Ford Ends are on a GM 12 bolt, Ford 9, or?

PM me your email address if you prefer and I will get you over an order form which then can be used to document the above requested info and sent over to me

Jay

[Dan65SS]

Thanks for the quick reply Jay. I have sent over a PM to you with my contact details.

It is a Strange 9 inch Ford narrowed 2" a side for my 65 Chevelle. It has the pro-iron 3.90 center section in it with 35 spline setup. Big Ford bearings.

[SlowProgress]

Nice engineering! These kits get better looking all the time.

[Sonar Chief]

Jay ... thanks for answering all my questions and providing a solution! :thumbsup:

Customer support is great and quality Made in the USA parts too, can't go wrong here!

Michael

[MillerBuilt]

In Stock

[MillerBuilt]

This customer participates in NASA "American Iron" class. Not only does he participate but he is the two time regional champion for this class. It is not "official" yet, but looks like he is set to make it 3 in a row :thumbsup:

He runs a Strange 9" rear with Big Ford "Torino Ends". He was constantly battling piston knock-back and leaky axle seals.

Long story short, he now runs a "Bolt-On" Big Ford MillerBuilt Full Floater and voila,,,,,, problems solved!!!

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/jaymillerone/06_zpsor0rzoy6.jpg

[MillerBuilt]

MillerBuilt is very proud to be a part of the all new 48hr Camaro build by Ridetech!

Follow along as this awesome car is assembled live at Barrett Jackson!


http://www.ridetech.com/info/2017/12/another-48-hour-build-1971-camaro/

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[MillerBuilt]

In Stock!

[bret]

I must say that this bolt on floater kit works perfectly. Ive not given it any thought whatsoever since it was initially installed on the Gen 2 48 Hour Camaro in January. 8,000 road miles and 5 sets of tires worth of autocross laps later, its still perfect. Nice work!

[MillerBuilt]

Full Floater System -

Installs onto any Rear-End that utilizes "Early" or "New Style/Torino" Big Bearing Ford Ends.


That's right,,,, you can use your current rear-end housing, NO welding & simple installation. BOLT-ON! :headspin:


Advantages:



Bolts to your Early OR New Style/Torino Big Ford Housing End (Chevy 10/12 bolt application now available! https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=52854 )

Reduces/eliminates brake “knockback”
Eliminates axle deflection
Wheel & tire remains intact should an axle failure occur
Front or Rear Caliper / E-Brake Cable Positions
Utilizes the robust, zero maintenance C6/C7 ZO6 Hub Bearing Unit
Utilizes OEM C5/C6/C7 Corvette, and 5th/6th Gen Camaro brake kits
Utilizes aftermarket C5/C6/C7 Corvette, and 5th/6th Gen Camaro brake kits
Utilizes your existing BAER / WILWOOD caliper & rotor (some restrictions apply)
Super compact design compared to traditional style full floaters
All advantages of a traditional style full floater without the maintenance
Replacement parts available at local GM dealer or local parts house
No modifications required to the hub bearing unit as other kits in the marketplace
Note: this applications will add 3/16″ per side to your existing wheel mount surface (based on an existing 2.50″ axle/brake offset)

Fitment: Any rear-end housings that utilizes Early or New Style/Torino Ends


Big Ford Bolt-On “Full Floater Kit” (pictured below)

E-brake Assemblies & E-brake Cable Brackets NOW INCLUDED With Each Floater Kit

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/jaymillerone/IMG_4359_zpsz9shw5m9.jpg

Full Floater Kit Includes:
• (2) Billet Steel Floater Adaptors
• (2) Billet Aluminum Caliper Brackets
• (2) SKF 33 Spline Hub Assemblies
• (2) E-brake Assemblies
• (2) E-brake Cable Brackets
• (1) Install Kit
• (2) Billet Aluminum Hub Cap Seals
________________________________________
PRICING AT - https://millerbuiltusa.com/big-ford-base-kit/



Have interest?
Have questions?
Need more info?

Distributor Inquires Welcome!


Big Ford "Bolt-On" kit in action!

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[214Chevy]

Got mine installed, but not on the road yet. Very nice piece I might add. Exceptional customer service too from Jay.

[cwylie]

Got mine installed, but not on the road yet. Very nice piece I might add. Exceptional customer service too from Jay.

Is that upside down?

[214Chevy]

Is that upside down?

I hope not. Currie built the rear end and I sent them the Miller Built kit as Jay said they've installed many of his kits. Can anyone else verify how this looks? Even if it is upside down, I still have to install the 3rd member, axles, etc. Plus, everything else is coming back off to get the chassis and rear end powder coated.

[73camarols1]

I didn’t notice it at first. But the parking brake mount is on top. I think usually it’s on the bottom under the axle. It should be easy to swap them from side to side. Just my thought Bill

[214Chevy]

I didn’t notice it at first. But the parking brake mount is on top. I think usually it’s on the bottom under the axle. It should be easy to swap them from side to side. Just my thought Bill

Yeah, I didn't notice it either until he mentioned it. Guess Currie got some dummies working there, huh? :buttkick: I mean, where's the quality control? :bitchslap:

[eville]

I’m not sure but I think you put it top or bottom to switch the direction of pull for park brake. I’m thinking it should work either way.

[Sonar Chief]

I hope not. Currie built the rear end and I sent them the Miller Built kit as Jay said they've installed many of his kits. Can anyone else verify how this looks? Even if it is upside down, I still have to install the 3rd member, axles, etc. Plus, everything else is coming back off to get the chassis and rear end powder coated.


I can verify that the pic from Currie is correct for OEM installs. I did change mine from OEM install to get the brake caliper in front (lower CG when applying the brakes) and also keep the brake pull coming in from the front.

I swapped out brake sides basically and keep the pull lever on the top ... check out the pics here from my thread:

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=34830&page=134

[MillerBuilt]

You really cannot mount them wrong per say. This kit is VERY versatile and can be properly installed more than one way.
Calipers can be mounted rear/front of the wheel, as well as the e-brake cable approach above/below axle tube and all depending on what side/direction the MillerBuilt adaptor is mounted.

Sonar Chief took it a step further and has the caliper and e-brake cable approach on the same side.

All just depends on what works best for each particular application and possible variables.