Silverback Carbs?

[Sieg]

Does anyone here have or know someone that's using a Silverback carb?

http://www.silverbackcarbs.com/

Numerous elements of the design are impressive though the price is nearing throttle body efi systems sans the efi fuel supply requirements.

The website is 'different' :)

[Rod P]

those are really cool

[Vince@Meanstreets]

...one day you guys will turn to fi and never look back. :bump:

looks "interesting"

[Sieg]

...one day you guys will turn to fi and never look back. :bump:

looks "interesting"

My Wife's minivan has efi. :bump:

[MarkM66]

They cost about the same as EFI :confused59: :G-Dub:

[Rod P]

...one day you guys will turn to fi and never look back. :bump:



:snapout:

[Sieg]

They cost about the same as EFI :confused59: :G-Dub:

But not when you add a proper fuel delivery system (tank, pumps, lines, vents), electrical, and programing equipment.

[JB400]

What's the cost comparison between this carb, and a Holley based carb with all the different pieces to properly tune it and time to do so?

[Sieg]

What's the cost comparison between this carb, and a Holley based carb with all the different pieces to properly tune it and time to do so?

Exactly. :thumbsup:

I'm running a Holley Ultra HP 650 and you can start to get quite a collection of brass. More important is the time it takes to change it out. The HP also appears to be relatively sensitive to atmospheric change.

That's why I'm really curious to hear about this design and it's tunability.

Yes........I know, efi is self learning. :)

[JB400]

Exactly. :thumbsup:

I'm running a Holley Ultra HP 650 and you can start to get quite a collection of brass. More important is the time it takes to change it out. The HP also appears to be relatively sensitive to atmospheric change.

That's why I'm really curious to hear about this design and it's tunability.

Yes........I know, efi is self learning. :)


Another thing to mention, if you went with a different, more powerful engine, you're back at square one again with the Holley based carb, needing a larger carb. Even with fuel injection, you'll have to upgrade your injectors and throttle body.

Being a variable cfm carb like the Predator carbs, you can just reuse the same carb, and just readjust it for the new engine, to a limit of course.

[Track Junky]

I'd love to see some dyno test comparisons.

[Sieg]

There are numerous 'Statements' in this pic that are very appealing. Self compensating Temp & Alt. Vacuuming assisted foot pedal pressure. Detented adjusters. No Slosh handles all G-force. No gaskets.

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SFSB8HN/0/XL/i-SFSB8HN-XL.jpg

[JB400]

What I find appealing is the fact that it's not a copy cat of a Holley. Not that there's anything wrong with a Holley, it's just the fact that other companies spend vuku bucks trying to build a better Holley, whereas this company spent their time coming up with a different (maybe better) mousetrap. Plus, it still cost a small fortune for one of these fancy Holley based carbs that still takes a similar amount of time and work to adjust.

[Sieg]

Here's a decent article that gives a little more insight. Sounds like Bruce Kahlhamer has done a little homework and applied creative solutions to longtime handicaps. Using the needle and seat to set the overall fuel demand to your motor and fine tuning with external detented adjusters is total KISS. I'm envisioning adjusting this carb like your shocks. Take good notes and you should be able to quickly adjust fuel curves for different tracks, conditions, and desires.

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/features/pri-coverage/pri-2014-silverback-carburetors-ground-breaking-design/?fb_action_ids=10153445012098312&fb_action_types=og.comments

[andrewb70]

Anyone that pays $2600 for that thing is coo coo...

Andrew

[Che70velle]

Sieg, when will yours get there? We want a full write up, and pics! :popcorn2:

[GregWeld]

I might get one and dyno it on the Mustang....

[Sieg]

It appears one of the designers has the guts to be on Yellow Bullet where there was a 'civil' discussion going on....... :)


Originally Posted by Z'Stein
What are the differences between the race and standard version(s), and are there any actual comparison tests you can share with us?

cfm rating, the street carb goes up to 850, the race goes to 1300, and then the FULL RACE carb will not have a choke and will go to 1600 CFM, it will be race only, custom design, for the larger air filters and big big HP. also only available in 4500 pattern. IT will also have a manifold with velocity stacks built into the manifold that neck down to the required runner sizes that NHRA requires, so that they can't ban the product saying its not 4 barrel and doesn't meet class requirements. it should absolutely rip.


the "race edition" will be available in both 4150 and 4500 patterns.


Yes I will be at PRI with the president/owner of the company Bruce. My name is chase and I will look forward to seeing any of you there.

btw, I found out we are most likely offering a 10% discount at the shows..... which brings the carb just barely over 2k. so if you are interested I would suggest trying to make it to the show.

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Originally Posted by fatman
When you say manifold, do you mean a 4 barrel spacer of some kind?

yes we have a "spacer" that acts as a manifold and has o-ringed fuel passages into it for the choke and also for vacuum sources. It also has a fully integrated nitrous plate kit that 100% integrates into the carb so your completely ready to go.

did I mention the nitrous plate even has "dial a jet" just like the carb, no need to change nitrous jets, EVER! very very cool stuff

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I don't have any skin is this fight but I'm always intrigued by new innovative attempts to improve.

Carbs are very complex and expensive and time consuming for the average person to tune.

Fuel injection isn't exactly simple or cheap and to tune the systems properly it appears there's more than one person making good money tuning these 'self-learning ready to run' systems.

In regards to reliability, durability, and weight savings I like what this 'carb' design brings to the table compared to current carbs and constantly evolving fuel injection systems. It could be what Apple is to computing in terms of user friendly function.

The unknowns:
Is the throttle response is bland or like a light switch?
How smooth is the transition between circuits?
How much impact does one click of an adjuster have on the fuel delivery?
How fuel efficient is it on the street and track?

Time and testing will tell. Personally I hope the company is a success whether I can afford one or not.

[DBasher]

I might get one and dyno it on the Mustang....

If you're going to purchase and run it on the dyno...you may as well get the stack injection also. This way we'll all have a good understanding of what exactly it takes, how much it costs and what makes the most power.
When it's all said and done you can set the two toilet bowls on the shelf and be happy with the stack set up!:D

Just sayin

[Ketzer]

I don't have any skin is this fight but I'm always intrigued by new innovative attempts to improve.

Carbs are very complex and expensive and time consuming for the average person to tune.

Fuel injection isn't exactly simple or cheap and to tune the systems properly it appears there's more than one person making good money tuning these 'self-learning ready to run' systems.

In regards to reliability, durability, and weight savings I like what this 'carb' design brings to the table compared to current carbs and constantly evolving fuel injection systems. It could be what Apple is to computing in terms of user friendly function.

The unknowns:
Is the throttle response is bland or like a light switch?
How smooth is the transition between circuits?
How much impact does one click of an adjuster have on the fuel delivery?
How fuel efficient is it on the street and track?

Time and testing will tell. Personally I hope the company is a success whether I can afford one or not.

^^Agree^^
The last time I remember someone trying to completely revolutionize carbs was the Predator. Seemed like a good idea but I have never seen one actually working on a vehicle.
They will definitely sell a few...

[MarkM66]

But not when you add a proper fuel delivery system (tank, pumps, lines, vents), electrical, and programing equipment.

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/terminator_efi/terminator_4bbl_tbi_kits/parts/550-406

Both are going to need a fuel delivery system, tank etc. I still don't see the end pricing being that different. And with one you still have a carb, :headscratch:

[Sieg]

https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/terminator_efi/terminator_4bbl_tbi_kits/parts/550-406

Both are going to need a fuel delivery system, tank etc. I still don't see the end pricing being that different. And with one you still have a carb, :headscratch:
That's the system I'd go for if I was.......this month. EFI is changing as fast as smart phones right now.

Don't forget the other accessories that add $500-$700 plus a few installation hours:
526-1 Holley EFI Fuel System Kit
526-2 Holley EFI Fuel System Kit
526-3 Holley EFI Fuel System Kit
526-4 Holley EFI Fuel System Kit
553-100 Universal Gauge - Black Bezel
553-101 Universal Gauge - Chrome Bezel
558-420 Terminator EFI Input/Output Kit
554-102 100 PSI Stainless Pressure Sensor

[GregWeld]

If you're going to purchase and run it on the dyno...you may as well get the stack injection also. This way we'll all have a good understanding of what exactly it takes, how much it costs and what makes the most power.
When it's all said and done you can set the two toilet bowls on the shelf and be happy with the stack set up!:D

Just sayin



If I didn't already have stack injection (had several) I'd be toying with a system for the Mustang. Trust me - they cost WAY WAY more than this carb or a "normal" EFI. Try around 10 grand for an 8 stack set up.

I like the simplicity of the carb on a track car. And for me personally - I don't get enough "use" out of the few track days I do per year to add more expense to this activity. I know you're mostly just poking me - but for other reading these posts this is the way "I" think.

If I go to the track and have trouble with my Holley -- someone around there knows how to help me fix it - or has parts for it. That's important so as not to ruin a track weekend. Trying to find a particular sensor that's failed (unlikely but it does happen) in someones tool box is far less likely.

[GregWeld]

The Inglese SBF 8 stack "system" (it isn't complete) is about $4100... add to this the cost of injectors ($400) and Stacks ($430) and a new fuel tank OR their external pump set up ($1000) and it starts to add up pretty quickly. Now you need a dyno (even if it's self tuning I'm not running it without dyno time on an expensive race motor!)... you can add another $1000










If I didn't already have stack injection (had several) I'd be toying with a system for the Mustang. Trust me - they cost WAY WAY more than this carb or a "normal" EFI. Try around 10 grand for an 8 stack set up.

I like the simplicity of the carb on a track car. And for me personally - I don't get enough "use" out of the few track days I do per year to add more expense to this activity. I know you're mostly just poking me - but for other reading these posts this is the way "I" think.

If I go to the track and have trouble with my Holley -- someone around there knows how to help me fix it - or has parts for it. That's important so as not to ruin a track weekend. Trying to find a particular sensor that's failed (unlikely but it does happen) in someones tool box is far less likely.

[DBasher]

I really had no clue they were that much moola! Hands down the best looking induction set up, not opinion, that's a fact Jack!
I haven't had time to read through the literature on this set up (don't know that it would make sense anyway) if you do end up buying one, what would it take to put on the 32?

Edit
Alright, I just read through the site and watched the video. I'm sold! Greg, be a sweetheart and order two of em and I'll pay you back....haha!

[GregWeld]

The '32 has a bad ass EFI set up!!


I was thinking that if the Silverback "carb" added HP/TQ I might upgrade the Holley on the Mustang to one. But they'd have to prove it added some real numbers for me to spend that kind of money!! PROOF as in real head to head dyno numbers!





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